Population Collapse: What It Means for Humanity - w/ Mads Larsen || EP110

[@DerekMoore82]

I noticed in my family that nobody had kids. When I go to family gatherings, there are zero children. Everyone is in their 30's - 80's and there are no children at all.

[@derek4412]

How many of your generation are there? Is it you and like three cousins? So like four of the grandkids did not have children yet? I’m 34 years old, and I have 13 cousins on one side of my family, ranging in age from 26 to 46…and only seven of us have had children. Almost exactly half of us don’t have children.

[@DerekMoore82]

@derek4412 On my mom's side of the family, my grandparents had 3 children: A son (my uncle), then my mom, then another daughter (my aunt). My uncle had two sons who never had kids. My aunt had a daughter who never had kids. My mom had me and my two sisters, who never had kids. On my dad's side of the family my grandparents had 6 kids, 5 sons (my 4 uncles and my dad), and 1 daughter (my aunt). The oldest uncle had a daughter and a son (neither of them had kids). The next uncle had 3 sons (none of them had kids). Then there's my father who had me and my sisters (we had no kids), then there's my aunt who had 2 sons and a daughter (none of them had kids), then there's my twin uncles, one of them had a daughter (who had no kids), and the other uncle never had kids. That's everyone that I know of. So the youngest person in my family is in their twenties. There's no little kids or babies in the whole family. * Oh yeah, almost forgot. There's also some step siblings, step cousins or whatever you call it when a parent, aunt, or uncle remarried a new partner who had kids of their own already, so I've got a couple of those, but they're all middle aged and none of them had kids either. If you ask the men in my family if they are planning on ever having kids the most common answer is "I can't afford it." And if you ask the women in my family, the most common answer is "I have no interest in having kids." Although I haven't asked everyone. And there are quite a few people in my family who are adults that have never even been in a relationship before.

[@SC-sh6ux]

I used to tell my family that we were evolving into dogs, because there were no babies, but lots of dogs.

[@nikitaw1982]

Very sad. Heaps of cats and dogs though probably. For some reason I get private girl school ads on social media. They show ok the extra curricular available but never cooking class. Everyone now needs to learn to cook cause feminism means everyone’s single for life. Takeaway is expensive.

[@collabcomm9007]

Sounds amazing

[@CelGuint]

I'm 37, no kids. Why: because I was encouraged to go into education, and even then all my jobs have been very low paying, and I have no hope of ever buying a house. No house means no stability and so no kids. I can't explain to you how all my life I've felt the dread of not having enough resources and so when people say "poverty increases birth rates", I scoff. I'm not going to have a kid if I'm even poorer than I am now.

[@himbolastname6379]

I think that the idea of poverty increases birth rates only really applies to poor countries, not poor individuals. Kinda like a U shaped graph

[@simonchristopherrule7313]

Its not poorness that increases the birth rate, it's ignorance. You maybe poor but the fact that you are aware of it is why you dont have kids

[@deep-fried-zombie699]

People that live in mud huts are having children. There is no excuse.

[@patcartier8171]

@@deep-fried-zombie699 Not having children is not an offense. You cannot ask for excuses from the childfree.

[@StarCityFAME]

You mention everything except details about your husband and his ability to afford you and a kid.

[@MentalJanitor]

I was told never have kids, never get married from like first grade.

[@rdallas81]

I didn't have to be told. I seen it growing up. Not for me. Single, celibate and LIVE!❤...

[@Paul-d2y8s]

Sad but true. ​@@rdallas81

[@bryanhulbert4504]

That is so sad to hear😢

[@josec.6394]

Monogamy was already a good system. But selfish individuals of a certain group ruined it for everyone else.

[@Grunt-lb7vx]

Its human nature to be selfish, its only when nurture to give an f about society through norms and traditions, we all became individualist, and individuals will rather be alone that have kids. I got 3, its a lot work and resources consumption. Usually take a “a village” to raise a kid, so when our society puts more effort in supporting the elder than the youth, you get what we have.

[@pookie4660]

It's human nature to do things in your best interest. When you have a family the group becomes the self-interest.

[@JohnBickner]

Employers?

[@hhbattery4746]

Tribe

[@devilmaycry9969]

Nothing in this world makes me want to have children. I never thought "hey you know what would be better? having a kid". Nothing seems stable and the future seems bleak.

[@rustyscrapper]

Polygamy is inevitable when you have such extreme wealth inequality. -or slavery- And then the slaves are bred to make more slaves. That also works.

[@Ravenelvenlady]

With WHAT ARMY are you going to enforce this? Romania tried this under the dictator Ceaucescu and it FAILED MISERABLY! There were so many abandoned babies in orphanages it was so sad. Going back to enslaving women is a NON CHOICE. It's either we find a way to continue the species humanely or we disappear.

[@notyet2345]

Or women can just give birth to fewer males......this myth that every man deserves a woman and children is bs. In the wild, most males die virgins.....that's how it should be with human males.....not every male is worthy of passing his genes on and giving every man a child only weakens the gene pool....we have a world full of idiots because of this crap.....realistically speaking, we only need a few males to keep it going...so polygamy might be the answer but the males would not be the leaders, they would be just breeders for women. men are horrible leaders.

[@macmcleod1188]

We will not disappear. The population is double to triple what it should be and things have become too expensive and unpleasant as a result. The population will drop, the prices of housing and food will drop. People will be capable of having happy lives again.

[@WilliamSantos-cv8rr]

no, the prices will not drop. Those are plain stupid assumptions. You can simply check up the situation on declining regions of countries. Some houses, buildings, suburbs or entire towns are left to rot, meanwhile new houses and even maintaining houses become more expensive, way more expensive. Also, the infrastructure deteriorates everywhere except in few cities where the youth goes, and in these cities where the Youth gather together the prices go through the roof. Check Tokyo, Seoul, Rome.

[@macmcleod1188]

@WilliamSantos-cv8rr that's not the kind of population decline we're talking about. We're talking about a drop of 50 to 66% over 40 years. The reason all this population decline hysteria is being pushed is because owners of real estate and businesses are counting on the sustained value of scarce property and the continued growth of business sales. The best option is simply to let the population drop back to healthy levels. About 3 billion. Of course people at the very top are pursuing "accelerationism.". They're looking for a much lower level.

[@derek4412]

Housing prices go up where people want to live as more people crowd into the cities where the few jobs remaining are located. Food prices go up because nothing scales as well and trade diminishes.

[@macmcleod1188]

@@derek4412 Prices will retreat towards 1970s levels given a good steep population drop. The population is already dropping because things are *so* *damn* miserable for young people.

[@derek4412]

@@macmcleod1188 The prices will drop in rural areas just like they have all over Illinois. But prices will keep rising in the big cities where people actially want to live. I can get a house in Decatur IL for 100-150k because nobody wants to live there. But if you want to live in a nice area of Chicago or the suburbs you are looking at 500k+. So even if prices drop in these places most people will experience a cost of living crisis due to price rises in the happening cities.

[@derek4412]

23:13 how do you know we are the first societies to have liberated women? If they existed in the past, isn’t there a chance they would have eradicated themselves and we don’t know about them? I suppose it is possible.

[@MET677]

We know for a fact that societies in our past had liberated women. I’ve been studying anthropology & Evo psych for over twenty years. These type of discussions just make me laugh because all I’m thinking is here we go again. The only difference is that we have a modern bent but the cycles very much rhyme. I’m not optimistic at all; I completely disagree with this guy. Zeitgeist is the most important force to ever exist and only one thing can change it but I’m sure we won’t do it. So we’ll go out by a thousand cuts.

[@StarCityFAME]

Some advanced societies have regretted it. We're just going around in another cycle. People hate when the cycle begins turning. But it's turning despite likes and dislikes and all that wanting of one's voice to be heard stuff.

[@Paul-d2y8s]

Good logic .

[@Mary-Mar]

​@@MET677 actually, I don't know about these past civilizations. Can you expand, and what is the solution you are alluding to that people don't want to talk about? I'm really curious. Not trolling. I want to understand this issue more deeply.

[@sandyfyffe6849]

​@@Mary-Mar I also want to know

[@Travelbythought]

Mouse utopia.

[@Ravenelvenlady]

Indeed.

[@tonkashouse]

This topic is so interesting to me in that so few people talk about it, yet it's one of the more serious issues we face. I also notice that I have rarely if ever, in the dozens of videos I've seen on the topic, seen people of young, child bearing age included in the conversation. We live in a post-scarcity world in the west. When women don't NEED men, but just WANT men, their standards can raise. Now their standards are higher but we put no real effort into improving the status of men. We end up with a bunch of men that the women don't want.

[@LisaNewton1]

Population “collapse” sounds very scary…. But surely, there’s got to be some benefits??? Eg More space for everyone else?? Less overcrowding! This idea that we have to continuously breed - using all the resources must be unsustainable? Has certain places who only prefer boys (China, India) contributed to this? Women have high standards and all these males aren’t meeting them 🤔 to increase a population drastically, people are going to have to prefer girl children to boys. I’m not sure China or India are ready for that…

[@rdallas81]

Room? 90% of the earth is unoccupied!

[@CosmicGoat-d3o]

Population will not collapse thanks to Islam and Women with high standards will procreate with Muslims to sustain the population.

[@viskyboi1275]

Having more females compared to males is worse than vice versa because the gender in the minority dictates how mating plays out. Women's prrfer

[@nickbarton3191]

What's going to kill off humanity won't be climate change, economic collapse, a pandemia, nor even an asteroid but desperate loneliness.

[@patcartier8171]

I wonder why more and more women are not having children. It couldn't be because they found out that life without kids is freer, more peaceful and more prosperous than life with a family, could it?

[@StarCityFAME]

Too bad the first parents didn't know that. All this could have been avoided many years ago. LOL. But then, you'd not be on KZbin making a point.

[@patcartier8171]

@@StarCityFAME Indeed. This line of thinking takes us _way_ back!

[@leontaecoleman3644]

Lesbian women are everywhere.

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

Exactly. Even those that claim they "want" kids in my friendship group continually delay to pursue career goals/travel/enjoy their life beforehand as much as possible and to buy a place/be settled. The risk of delaying is they may not be able to have kids, or the number they want, and for others they don't find a partner until much later in life.

[@ownedbytheking]

I wonder our gen is spending so much time making career but without children what are you making it for? It’s like investing in the stock market to give your portfolio to the gov.

[@Pavlovsobaka]

That’s the shittiest idea I have seen. Polygamy led us where we are.

[@josec.6394]

@@Pavlovsobaka these dingbats will take literally any "solution" over holding w0m3n accountable for this hellscape of their own making

[@Ravenelvenlady]

We are NOT going back to oppressing women and treating them like cattle. It's either a humane solution or BUST!

[@devilmaycry9969]

Interesting their thumbnail has a man with a bunch of young women without taking in account the amount of young women available for men. Meaning there would be a lot of single, lonely men. Way worse than what it is now.

[@fernandoalegria4240]

Why don't you let individuals make that decision?

[@dranixrush3306]

No it didn't...

[@TarzanWannaBe7]

Depending on women to "fix this." Haha!

[@josec.6394]

@@TarzanWannaBe7 my thoughts as well. We are headed for a cliff.

[@Ravenelvenlady]

Indeed, the women will have the final say. Ask Romania about that experience when they tried to force them to have children. The dictator Ceaucescu and his wife ended up executed.

[@teresamagnusson]

​​@@josec.6394It doesn't need to be fixed. We're not incubators, and we've got no desire to fix anything

[@apocalypsator6]

What are you trying to save? For what?

[@Stoddardian]

Exactly, what's in it for the average man?

[@rdallas81]

​​@@Stoddardianit's not equal. The men learned that they will be on the end of the stick of the woman decided to leave. I seen it growing up as a kid and knew then Marriage and kids were NOT for me...

[@rdallas81]

YT deleting comments again. Just because I said Marriage is not for me?

[@rdallas81]

And men get the crap end of the stick if the wife decides she to go?....

[@rdallas81]

Debt, child support, depression.....

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Impossible .Even though Muslims can have 4 wives😂. Not all rich Muslim men have more than one wife.😂Because serving just one woman is already difficult.

[@ChickpeatheTortie]

That is certainly not the case in the UK Muslim men can have as many wives as they like and claim housing benefits, council housing etc etc etc

[@MirSts-d2u]

It is woman need to have many single men in age 18-28 and get pregnant then get married with one of man and have common child or children. Do your know about Y chromosome degradation in men because the high fertile men does not have now many children, in past majority children was born from fathers who had 10+ children during life.

[@MirSts-d2u]

One fertile man cannot has 4 wives because it will destroy genetical diversity of population and in few generations people became genetically very similar in country and that create high risk of genetic inherent diseases.

[@ChickpeatheTortie]

@@MirSts-d2u What are you wittering and twittering about?

[@MirSts-d2u]

​​@@ChickpeatheTortieDo your know that Y chromosome do not rapiers itself, so it only decline. In past when only 2 of 6 children became adult only high fertile men who had 10+ kids have about 2-3 adult sons and low fertile men had 0 or 1 adult son, so in every generation majority adult man was sons of high fertile fathers. But when mortality rate decline and now high fertile man has 1 son and low fertile man 0 or 1 son population, so it create deficit of high fertile men in population and low birth rate. So in young age woman need have child from high fertile man and then get married with low fertile man and have with him common 1 children. So fertility rate will be 2,1 children per woman. And now fertility rate 1,4 because woman in 20s rare have children from high fertile man out wedlock.

[@BraveNewWorld5404]

Current population collapse is fatal, because its root cause is none other than the civilization advancement itself. If it is economy based, culture based, religion based, or social structure based, we would not see the birth rate drop in all regions across the globe. Modern civilization has "down graded" reproduction from the animal instinct, namely, the sole purpose of the life with immeasurable value, to just one type of life style among many others, subject to cost-benefit evaluation. Since civilization cannot retrack, there is no pathway for birth rate recovery.

[@greenenergy2]

I can tell you, as a woman, I would have had more than the 4 I had if the support systems would have been there. My husband left and I had 4 kids to support and work full time supporting them by my self. He was successful, never had additional children, and did not support. Hence, no more children. Child care was so expensive I was barely able to keep above water. Outside support is not socially supported or incentivized. Empirical studies over many countries and social classes have shown that a large percentage of men will not support their own children without fight and struggle after they leave, or after the start of taking for granted the labor requirements. In polygamy in the past not only does the man provide for his wife but he provided for her family too. That would make sense because the offspring had the support of the wives families to help with the burdens hence increasing the likelihood of survival of offspring. Today this is true as well. It may be easy to say that it’s the woman’s fault or to blame the woman for the way children or relationship turns out, but if the support is there the woman can do what the labor of child upbringing entails. If men want to do this labor and all it entails I’m all for it. Cooking cleaning emotional caretaking learning new things about being a parent or partner every day putting their wants and needs last in the family dynamic schedules of each and every child with very different needs taking time off work and putting work goals last behind everyone else’s needs not getting the social acclaim or respect that one gets from work or sports I’m all game with that!! I find very few men able to glean self empowerment from the joys of that form of daily labor on duty for 24 hours a day 365 days a year. I would 100% be on board with having 20 more children if I was to carry them, nurse them, then provide the financial stability if I could find a man like that!!!!!!!

[@teresamagnusson]

Let them blame us. We don't care

[@yttean98]

It's time to propose some workable solutions: One problem is everyone's responsibility so henceforth my solution: 1. Government: 1) introduce better childcare 2) tax cuts for having more babies 3) return of family values fashionable again 4) Improve equality among citizens 2. Male: 1) Make male responsibility and fatherhood fashionable again 2) Legalise Polygamy 3)Bring back family values that worked for hundreds and thousands of years 3. Female: 1) Tone down feminist values, e.g. they cannot have everything 2) Bring back Motherhood and make it fashionable eg stay home mum is highly regarded. And many more. Don't talk about problems and more problems; talk about solutions for each individual society, which varies from culture to culture. There you are my proposal as an engineer who cares about solutions and not just talk and talk about problems.

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

Pay mothers... It's that similar forget about making it fashionable. Most educated women are not stupid. If you see men saying Bezos wife doesn't deserve half when he has cheated on her and initiated the divorce despite her taking the risk with him and having kids and supporting/working in his business then very few women will replicate. If you look at Elon Musk working his employees long hours and having them sleep in the office and then taking his child away from Grimes - many women see this cultural references and make choices to prevent worse cases scenarios. Its not feminist values you should critique its capitalist values i.e. valuing money and capital which provides power and choice.

[@teresamagnusson]

Women aren't going to do any of this.

[@joenelson4235]

We have 5 babies between the 7 grandchildren. It's early days. The eldest is gay, the second youngest is disabled. Middle 3 have all had 2 kids. 2 other younger ones have 1 kid already, so likely 2-3 more out of them. We'll keep our numbers probably but we aren't the norm in the UK.

[@moastray5093]

You are not talking about gender equality How is taking the resources of others equality?

[@bill8985]

There will always be a balancing loop to prevent the disappearance of humans in the system dynamics calculus... that is, so long as we don't turn the earth into a complete hellhole. And if we approach those hellish conditions, I would not envy anyone that survives.

[@viskyboi1275]

I highly doubt it will. Life always finds a way

[@PeterBalko]

if robots would be that advance, as suggested, what do you think would still keep them serving us ? nothing, so we would be the less evolved species in that scenario, but more realistically robots would be just too pricey to really help in mass scale for everybody,

[@WETALKINMEDIA]

😂😂 he was really positive but can't see the robots WILL take us out...

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

I won’t be here to see where it goes, my family name dies with me as my brother doesn’t want children either. At 43 I wouldn’t risk pregnancy now. None of my exes wanted to marry me (they all wanted kids though!) so they didn’t get children from me. Simple. I’m not being a single mother. My boyfriends weren’t insanely attractive btw so that doesn’t hold up, they were all average but very different and I met most through mutual friends so had hopes that one would work out but if none want to commit fully then I’M NOT INTERESTED. Part of me thinks I may as well go after the really good looking ones and enjoy myself now lol but I haven’t because I find that kind of thing empty and devaluing not to mention the increased health risk and mental chaos involved. Staying single seems wise and has been more peaceful for me than my attempts at romance although I still enjoy male company 😊

[@Mary-Mar]

I love the number of us 43 year olds on here who haven't had children or been married. The classes of 1999 and 2000 with all of their high hopes-dashed to smithereens! Anyway, you are right. I think we talk too much about women and their mate choices and don't talk about the fact that men started to resist the idea of marriage a long time ago...with good reasons. Reason that include women being automatically awarded full custody in many divorce cases, and men losing the house and having to pay monthly alimony and child support if the marriage ended in divorce. Too many men just didnt want to take the risk, especially the regular guy who can't just make all that lost income again. Most of the men I dated had their kids young, with someone else, and after that ended they had no intention of marrying again or having anymore children. Women may be the gatekeepers of sex, but men are the gatekeepers for marriage.

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

@ we all make our choices. Pre-nups have existed for a long time so that’s a flimsy excuse for me. Personally, if a man won’t take the risk then I know he isn’t really in love or trusts me enough so he will not get the reward of children as I am more likely to be left alone with them to raise.

[@hn3864]

The custody stat is completely untrue, if the man actually wants custody they usually are awarded partial unless there is a really good reason not to, and a lot of times even if there is a really good reason not to. This is a well known way they continue to abuse their ex after divorce. Women take way more risk in marrying and having kids with a man. If the man isn't willing to risk it she would be incredibly neieve to do so.

[@amariantiquity8543]

​@LadyMarigoldWithers Prenups are not as powerful as they used to be. A woman can say that her husband made her sign it up der duress. Curtently today, judges can throw out a prenuptial agree ment in litigation more frequently. This is another reason why men are not choosing to be married.

[@yogikarl]

The last 60 years there was a very unhealthy exponential growth - very unhealthy - and now we are probably coming down to a healthier non-exponential growth ? what's wrong with that ?

[@derek4412]

Because a "healthy" decline would be a fertility rate of 1.8 or 1.9 children per woman. 1.9 would be such a slow pace of decline that it would take 400 years for the population of society to be halved. But a TFR of 0.68 (as in South Korea) is a full collapse. The remaining people won't even have running water or electricity. This could happen is as little as forty years (although I suspect it will be more like 60-70 years).

[@teresamagnusson]

​​@@derek4412Women don't want to have children. It's just that simple. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. I have three, and wish I didn't.

[@mclarenf1lmguy]

​@@derek4412 i can predict that Korea and Japan will either be the first adopters or the largest market for these AI robots when they get advanced enough. They'll use them to temporarily fill in those jobs that would cause a collapse in the infrastructure and ease some of the big problems that their population decline would face.

[@derek4412]

@@mclarenf1lmguy Perhaps it's my lack of imagination, but it seems to me robots would be a net negative-cost to society. So as companies and individuals get poorer, aren't they likely to use fewer expensive robots?

[@henrytep8884]

@@derek4412why are robots net negative? They are value added, they are a deflationary force, but they aren’t net-negative in the sense of productivity but in the sense of human labor

[@bobriemersma]

Er, you do know that conceiving at 35 or older is called a "geriatric pregnancy" right?

[@incomingincoming1133]

Often nonsense is mixed with some sense, but they refined this for pure entertainment value.

[@Travelin_Light]

Great guest and interview. I guess one thing that leaves me wondering is an eli5 example of how the population collapse looks beyond the math numbers not explained (.7 etc). The thing I wonder too, is that if ai replaces most work, which is what seems to be suggested if we're looking at ubi in 10 years which i doubt, then what's to say a much larger portion of humanity having less children in any way endangers humanity's existence? Seems like nature abhors a void, and it would auto correct naturally, as long as it's not some factor like pollution or something interfering to a large degree.

[@plamentd]

global cooling, global warming, climate changes, overpopulation, underpopulation, covid, 2k ... what else

[@darylallen2485]

Coffee is good for health, then its bad the next year

[@anothenymously7054]

Why are our lives run by "experts" "government" and oligarchs? ​@darylallen2485

[@donz0621]

Civil war, cold war, world war, pandemic,, epidemic, plague, politics, crimes, financial crises, pollution, animal extinction, poverty, greed, deforestation, wealth inequality Better not to have children

[@gphilipc2031]

Airborne aerosols create hothouse effect. Airborne aerosols block sun's harmful radiation and slows warming.

[@danielsw7011]

Immigrant. Need more immigrant to fill those 'unwanted' jobs. Then 'some' groups immigrant bring their own ideal / value and forced it upon them.

[@alancalkins2656]

Replace population with workforce. The only ones concerned are the ones who need their wage slaves. For the rest of us it's a good thing 🙏

[@Prometheus100110]

Stop it. You can start your own business if you don't work for someone

[@blackorchid2494]

Polygamy wouldn't be a good idea in the long term for rich old weak men or any weak men in general. Don't forget the story of Troy. Your money will not always protect you!

[@saimoncole]

"We will disappear if women don't choose to have more children." "4 billion people would be tiny." Talk about catastrophizing. Frogs in a slow boiling pot.

[@leontaecoleman3644]

women just want each other now.

[@anthonygood1335]

My parents have a dozen grandchildren. I'm still more concerned about the high population pressures on natural resources than on any population decline.

[@viskyboi1275]

Space exploration exists.

[@phenitagomes1292]

You fail to realize that it's not about the amount of people but the quality of life. When people neglect the biggest issues and focus on the smallest easy problems that are very quickly solveable, its clear that they are not thinking about the lives of these unborn people and the lives of the people that's already here.

[@michaellancaster7923]

Awesome podcast!!

[@briangain9836]

Humanity is heading into a down cycle .,

[@MarquezSmith-f9d]

I'm anti natalist. And have no kids So this does not bother me.

[@spirofarmaku6772]

Good to see a comrade on this cringe podcast

[@sandyfyffe6849]

Anti-natalist, 4b lady here!

[@maryanncrody4867]

We are having medical problems that affect fertility

[@leontaecoleman3644]

the women out here just want each other.they don’t like men.

[@theaiit3625]

I may not understand it but wouldent the increase in tax disincentivize man from working lowing the funds for the women in the long-term

[@hn3864]

These social programs in Norway sound to be surrounding having children, so how is it only the women who are benefiting from them? I think the men are equally benefiting from things like maternity leave and affordable daycare. Also, where are the statistics on guys actively looking for a serious relationship and children on these dating websites? In my experience it was few and far between that checked both these boxes. Are women really the problem? Could men's refusal to comit in favor of increasing the notches on their bedpost be a large contributer to this issue? 🤔 Its not hard to understand why women are not signing up to be single moms.

[@viskyboi1275]

Maybe if women didn't shame men for not having enough notches on their bed posts as the first defence when they disagree with a man, then we can start talking about commitment.

[@dranixrush3306]

Look into the reasoning of why men aren't having children and avoiding marriage from their perspective.

[@ViceCoin]

Only for Elon and Trump. Working class McJobs don't offer enough pay and healthcare to support 1 kid and 1wife.😢

[@miru4226]

One of the best debate about the current state of our civilization.

[@EmilyStuder2-f2w]

Appreciate the detailed breakdown! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). What's the best way to send them to Binance?

[@jimbobhaha]

In 1800, women on average, had 7 children! Family sizes have been declining in the US for you over 200 years!

[@ue9Bbnntn67]

Why is the book so expensive? 😅

[@rorybeckstrom9602]

Even if infinite production is 40-50 years off we will still have the intermediate boosts from the ramp up

[@johnnysphere3510]

I think you all should concentrate more on Ethnic Groups, possibly religious groups and ethnorelogious groups(e.g. Amish, Yazidis, etc.) and possibly subcultures(e.g. Goth, Punk, Emo, LGBTQIA because they are essentially emerging ethnic groups) and you will see its a lot more complicated. Essentially, heavily urbanized/modern areas would constitute their own massive ethnic group so while they might be on the "decline" other then it groups are doing fine

[@viskyboi1275]

Ethnic doesn't mean what you think it means

[@bdsc_whaters]

Lucfer has just won 🏆.

[@Ravenelvenlady]

Get Darrell Brickel (coauthor of Empty Planet) to flesh out the discussion, which is is sorely lacking.

[@freeheeler09]

You guys are nuts! There are over 8 billion humans on Earth. People in developed countries are having lower fertility rates. But developing countries are still having so many children that we are still looking at a human population of 10 to 13 billion people by 2050. And, between our humongous population, shrinking agricultural fertility, rapidly declining and increasingly polluted fresh water supplies, paving over of farmland, etc., we are running out of food and water. Add to that, our eight billion people are using resources at rates that are not sustainable. The violence in countries like Syria and Haiti are caused by overpopulation. Man, you guys have to do some serious ignoring of facts to think that declining birth rates are anything but a good thing. Start worrying if the human population shrinks to fewer than a few hundred million.

[@viskyboi1275]

The violence in Haiti and Syria are not caused by overpopulation. You would know that if you knew their histories. And you can't view people as numbers on spreadsheet, resources to be allocated. Some cultures and peoples are not compatible with others.

[@viskyboi1275]

The violence in Haiti and Syria are not caused by overpopulation. You would know that if you knew their histories. And you can't view people as numbers on spreadsheet, resources to be allocated. Some cultures and peoples are not compatible with others.

[@bill8985]

Holey moley - that's my ideal world starting at @30:00... "People will want to have lots of children if robots take care of them." Sounds like a dream! I hope my future children don't resent that I handed them off to an Elon Musk robot.

[@MauriceLeviejr]

Mads is on some good ganj

[@maryanncrody4867]

I never expected to get the top 5 percent

[@bill8985]

This entire discussion is hilarious. Is El Podcast a subsidiary of The Onion?

[@rdallas81]

9:37. They did that with (rhymes with kodid nine zeen)...

[@maryanncrody4867]

An a state man that was decent looking and healthy and a good moral person would be fine

[@Prometheus100110]

Highly recommend youtubing #birthgap

[@rasmussonderriis]

It's 1.2m Norwegian kroner, not dollars. A lot less. And I wonder how they calculate it.

[@ForschungHeimat]

Excuse the little mistakes because of a non-🇬🇧 autocorrector 🤖‼️

[@milobickmore1053]

You're lying . There are more humans on earth now by far than ever before .

[@orangecat999]

The cultural ideology that promotes parenthood is called religion, lol. But one question that I have is whether modern economic realities are a moving target: for example, allegedly we need more people for jobs to pay into the system to support elders, but somehow, the labor market keeps getting squeezed by outsourcing, immigration, machines, and big tech. So, which is it? Because honestly, one interpretation is that we need more people for eventual wage sl*aves and cannon fodder.

[@gregoryteeple9306]

Madds is devilishly smart but severely lacking in wisdom. The great religions figured these issues out a very long time ago. We collectively are like rebellious adolescents forgoing the hard earned wisdom of our parents. The old ways are coming back and there is nothing any of us can or are willing to do to stop it.

[@Capitalist_Pig314]

Artificial wombs will be invented soon?

[@JimJones-gd2jy]

# 1. ? CHANGE THE MARRIAGE DIVORCE LAWS . . . Women get rewarded for walking away.

[@mrashley7777]

Paternal rights of kids to fathers by default. If men keep the money and keep the kids, the women will work things out instead of destroying families. We use the man's last name for a reason. Prodigy. When a man's wife would leave or die in the past, the man was challenged to find another woman to help raise the kids and run the house while he worked. If the kids were old enough, they would already know how to run the house. It's not pretty. But we must abide the truth of what works long term, not what sounds good. We need good men. Women, stop trying to be a man. We're not the same. More like opposites really. *Men sacrifice feelings for family. Women sacrifice family for feelings. We don't need arranged marriage. We need to get back to an 1800's family model. No welfare or enabling destruction of family legally. Welfare is theft and creates a system of dependency. If women don't get a man, they replace them with the gov. and steal rights from men, aka family stability. Women vote more than men and also vote for socialist policy. Especially if they're single. Maybe people should only get to vote if they're married? It used to be that you had to own land to vote. Get rid of the draft entirely. If the gov. wants war, it needs to be a gov. men will die to defend. We don't have that at all now. Otherwise, they can use their drones and advanced AI robots & missiles for national defense.

[@sandyfyffe6849]

So women should be forced to stay in relationships they don't want? Tell me, would you WANT to stay with a woman, who doesn't want you? Isn't that kinda like holding her hostage?

[@viskyboi1275]

​@@sandyfyffe6849That has been the case throughout history

[@David.Isaac.147]

Shame on you for using AI art for your thumbnail

[@TRINITY-ks6nw]

Artificial wombs

[@dogservices8147]

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[@yogikarl]

Gesundschrumpfen

[@Cesar82nd]

Female education is the most important aspect in low birth rate.

[@patcartier8171]

Which of course means that birth rates will continue going down. End of discussion.

[@leontaecoleman3644]

and a lot of these women are lesbian.

[@teresamagnusson]

Correct. We learn that we don't want kids. Ladies, let's see that birth rate go down as far as possible.

[@devilmaycry9969]

I know everything about pregnancy and its consequences. I don't want that. Thank goodness for education and being free to have my own bank account.

[@sandyfyffe6849]

So you're saying... Smart women, avoid men? I want you to think real hard on just why that might be.

[@arthurgomes9433]

🌎 fertility rate will be 1,6 in year 2100

[@anulfolantigua940]

Nah Africa and Haiti can single handle that they have coachroaches dna

Too much hype. Immigration solves this issue.

[@viskyboi1275]

Nope. You can't view people as numbers

[@duanecarr6712]

Yeah but you gotta pay for and deal with em all. No thanks

[@akasiakasya6351]

In islam yess you can marry up to four only if, strictly only if you can afford, and you can't put all wives in the same house, each wife must be given a house, car, medicine, food and clothes (this is bare minimum requirement ) plus your time need to be divided equally, plus in My country you need the permission of your first wife to marry another, have to go to court, more documents,

[@JovanVujicic-d3m]

Ectolife.

[@fernandoalegria4240]

Xlnt.

[@alejandroavendano7988]

This guy reminds me of the movie dr strangelove by Stanley Kubrick, a blabering scientist says that there should be 10k woman for every scientist. Highly recomended movie

[@patriciamckay9611]

Nothing could have persuaded me to have children but I am probably an outlier.

[@richardouvrier3078]

What about artificial wombs?

[@kiedranFan2035]

hopefully their progress can be accelerated. Its only logical. current designs havent even left the lab and are for premee's but we need them to be complete. The other sulotions in to to extend life and we have more data on that. So much so that we could live for thousands if we push it, and that tech is decade or two away

[@natashadickson4819]

Will men have to bottlefeed and change diapers of the babies from artificial wombs? After all, there's no human mother. Will men hire nannies, and wet nurses? Sounds expensive.

[@natashadickson4819]

Will men bottlefeed and change the diapers of their babies created from artificial wombs? Donor eggs, rental of artificial wombs, hire a nanny, buy baby formula or hire wet nurses. Sounds expensive. 🤔

[@natashadickson4819]

😂 If you have a child from that womb, will you bottlefeed and change diapers?

[@natashadickson4819]

How much will it cost a man to rent an artificial for 9 months?