Poro's MSI 2024 Players and Teams Reflections

[@G2LoL]

TES over G2 xdd

[@1SSJA]

Real

[@StrawHatKirby]

based

[@psychopathicporo]

I'm sorry pookie wookie it won't happen again

[@G2LoL]

@@psychopathicporo apologies accepted its okay Poro see you at Worlds

[@eVillGaming-eng]

Forget ADC's, putting Xun above Canyon is crazy considering how badly he was jg gapped in their match-up

[@lennartspdrn966]

I do agree Canyon played better, but there wasn't a huge disparity. Late game Xun didn't have the same impact, but that was more of a draft issue

[@psychopathicporo]

Xun outperformed Canyon in 3 out of the 4 games in finals imo

[@wandringhobo4321]

@@psychopathicporo I wonder how you could possibly come to this conclusion when they lane swapped like every game in finals. Junglers were pretty much full clearing and Xun was the main reason they lost the first two games is it not? He got caught first game near baron and that snowballed GenG into being able to fully scale. Then game two BLG lost all their tempo that they invested into mid against Chovy because Xun got hooked twice by Lehends in the same spot. So tell me which three games did Xun play better in the finals because I’m confused. The third game sure.

[@banggu0222]

lol xun was the sole reason BLG lost the 1st game and the 2nd game he was catching blitz hooks in the same spot

[@yaooooo846]

@@wandringhobo4321 Let's also not forget that Canyon got gapped by Tian in all five games in GENG vs TES series, that is also much of an important factor to consider

[@axis_tilted]

Really enjoyed the coverage, this will be my way of watching MSI assuming it continues

[@thomaix]

it was really cool to watch MSI with your liveview Poro. This was my first time trying to watch a tournament entirely, and due the time the games was starting it was a bit tough, but just talk in your chat and redeem hydrates made this MSI a lot funnier to me. Thank you so much Poro (also for the guys who talked with me on Poro's livestream)!

[@psychopathicporo]

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[@Daefus]

Gumayusi was silently carrying half of T1 games, I think he sould be a bit higher

[@psychopathicporo]

I was not very impressed with T1's showing overall though. Thought they had weak performances against EST, TL, and even arguably G2

[@yaooooo846]

I legit think Oner is more of that silent carrier, Guma was good but there's just that little an adc can do in the meta

[@Daefus]

@@yaooooo846 I wouldn't really describe Oner's performance as "silent", he was playing so well

[@Hyouta]

The anti TL bias and TES bias is crazy. In MSI TES heavy underperformed. Its crazy that you are sugarcoating their performance keeping them in A tier. The only player on TES that deserved a high tier should be JKL. APA being so low should be a crime.

[@m.s7334]

same with FNC, G2, and FLY bias, why are both teams players so high up? Noah anything but D tier makes no sense. Hans, Humanoid, Razork, and Oscar being B tier (the same tier as Peyz and Betty) when they were all gapped when vsing strong teams. Busio being C tier even after running it basically every game he played even when even Woody is D tier. APA and Maple being same tier as Cody Tinowns Jensen is crazy when they both played extremely well.

[@eVillGaming-eng]

@@m.s7334 Hans gapped Betty and JL though so idk why you think it's weird he's there

[@m.s7334]

@@eVillGaming-eng was more of a support diff than anything imo, and also it’s one series

[@eVillGaming-eng]

@@m.s7334 your support doesn't just make you win lane and lead in CS it's a 2 man job

[@gmrflaming]

Hey Poro, Just wanted to say that I loved watching your MSI content even with the 24 hour delay. So, thanks for sacrificing your sleep… I did not take such measures lol. Hopefully you get costreaming for worlds so that you don’t have to work around things, at least it’s in Europe so timing is better! Your insights were excellent as always, keep it up. (:

[@akumawest9021]

The YAPA disrespect

[@riga1527]

I really enjoy the content and the coverage you have doing with international events. Always a pretty reasonable and accurate opinion. As a brazilian fan have been hurtful watch the non-progress of loud... The way i found to keep the hype up during the tournament is cheering for G2 that still improving their performance in every season and is the western team that could really plays against the top east teams. Keep the good work. gonna keep following your videos for the next tournaments

[@eVillGaming-eng]

I think the thing I disagree most is with the adc tiering; this MSI had the best adc's from LCK, LPL and LEC (well except viper) Guma had a definitive S-tier showing, and Elk dominated enough games to warrant S-tier too, And you can say peyz had some games where Elk abused him but you don't drop an international record number of kills at MSI finals and go B tier Then I'd put Jackey, hans and Yeon up by 1 tier too

[@lennartspdrn966]

I can agree with Poro, because I've seen Guma and Elk perform way better at the last two internationals they attended. I question how you ignore Poro explaining how the amount of Peyz kills didn't correlate to a great performance, which was very reasonably argued. You say it like it's the law, biggest number equals the best. Poro stated he values play differently.

[@adzgwapocute123]

Peyz wasnt even good that game. Lehends literally played the series of his life that's why he got a record.

[@eVillGaming-eng]

@@lennartspdrn966 I'm not saying Peyz deserves S tier but considering he was performing at around the same level as Elk I think that warrants him being in A tier many of his weaknesses didn't show up in this tournament

[@Remixt]

I was very impressed by TL and especially G2, happy Chovy finally got a win, such a good tournament

[@jaexynn]

Disagree with a few players but the biggest thing was the Yeon slander. Besides the TES series, Yeon was the best performing western ADC and you cannot convince me otherwise. Also his Lucian WAS good wdym???

[@blankwordss]

You think Hans performed better than Yeon? Or that Massu and Yeon should even be in the same tier? Clearly something is wrong LOL.

[@mgl6289]

Lpl fan that hates na xdd

[@PlsDontReadThis123]

I agree with everything outside of yeon, he deserved to be higher. He was solo pulling TL across the line some games

[@psychopathicporo]

he definitely was, that's why he's at the top of C tier instead of somewhere in the middle. Felt odd putting him in the same tier as Hans and Peyz though

[@arclondon157]

@@psychopathicporoto your point about his Lucian? Did you see what he was doing to Noah in the fnc series on Lucian? He was playing like elk-lite. Like is he a tier, no, he has issues. But I think he should be in b right below Hans. He also won 2v2 vs guma keria a few times.

[@gregpartridge7554]

@@psychopathicporo Sure he wasn't quite at their level but IMO it feels more weird to have him in the same tier as Noah and Route. Was his level of play that different from Betty's? And like you mentioned, this is with his support running it down in a few games.

[@birbz1033]

I really cannot see how you put TL beneath PSG. Easily those two should be switched in my opinion. Every single TL player was performing leagues better than their PSG counterparts except for Junjia, who was playing crazy well. Despite my disagreements thanks for the content! I appreciate having these spaces to discuss and get different opinions. Now one moment while I find my pitchfork.

[@birbz1033]

Not to take away from PSG, I’d actually keep them in B and just move TL ahead of them. No one respected them coming in, and they showed up hard. I just think they had less contention in the macro game against top level teams, while TL had some clean macro understanding (especially with impact probably having the best lane swap understanding of any top leaner this tournament.)

[@케도도케]

Peyz still catching strays even if he played really well

[@Kenny44442]

While I don’t think caps is Chovy level he played super good this msi and was a huge step up from last year. (It’s the best the west is gonna get sadge 3:)

[@eVillGaming-eng]

One man hemisphere

[@Ericben1087]

Awesome video, but I think it's kinda crazy that PSG gets to be a whole tier above TL and FNC because they managed take 2 games off of BLG who giga-threw in both those games. The fact that PSG did lose a BO3 against FLY and got 3-0'd by G2 makes me think they should share C tier with TL and FNC imo. I also find it amusing how much higher the individuals of FNC are placed than TL on average, but I guess that just shows how FNC was worse than the sum of its parts (TL being the complete opposite).

[@psychopathicporo]

While PSG did lose their first series to FLY, how it happened was quite impressive. It felt like PSG came in as the worse team, got thwarted by Bwipo's Urgot, and they had no answer on the day. Then for the second series, they went back to the drawing board and came up with answers for how to deal with FLY's champs, and executed much cleaner. For me, showing the ability to adapt in draft over time is definitely a positive, and PSG felt like a completely different team by the time they played in bracket stage

[@케도도케]

Justice for ADCs the meta is really against them.

[@silvanogarciasanchez418]

I feel u on the sleep schedule, I thankfully work from home so I could fit in to sleep during work hours lol

[@proxnub7333]

it’s a low emerald player rating these, his opinion will not be the same as caedrel or some other pro/high elo level analysts. good for sparking discussion though.

[@heyasanti]

Goes to show how bad, biased, and factually incorrect most of his opinions are of his recent rankings, compared to high or pro tier analysts and players Makes you wonder if he is actually doing it on purpose for the views or he's borderline becoming delusional

[@psychopathicporo]

@@heyasanti im just delusional, don't worry about it :D

[@DannyBin-b1i]

Xun above Canyon? Elk above Peyz? Really??

[@gregpartridge7554]

I agree I'd put Canyon first, but Elk played better individually than Peyz. He just had less impact in the head to head because of the enormous support gap in those games.

[@DannyBin-b1i]

@@gregpartridge7554 really? I think he was invisible in a series against psg

[@gregpartridge7554]

​@@DannyBin-b1i That's fair but Peyz had his own bad series against TES. In the head to head I thought Elk was a bit better individually but Peyz's team was putting him in a much better position to affect the game. I don't think Elk deserves first on the list though, I'd put Jackey and probably also Guma ahead of him.

[@xthesayuri5756]

lmao putting Xun in S tier

[@CL19283]

I had a lot of question throughout this video but after you reveled your player rankings changes and you still had Xun over Canyon I realized you don't really understand league of legends. How could the dude that defined the meta with the carry junglers not be first. Xun out performed him like literally twice out of the eight games that they played. I have no idea how anyone can not see that Canyon is the literal best jungler in league of legends and probably of all-time.

[@ronlanders7354]

Decent list. i have different opinions on some players/teams but good video.

[@theprimewolf096]

As a TL fan we knew we would get 3-0 so I was happy taking a game off the world champs

[@deinvadda5699]

i disagree on two things. 369 has to be b tier, peyz in a tier. 369 didnt show what he had to offer this tournament. peyz getting undervalued a lot imo

[@FIVETEMPLE]

Bin > Kiin, Canyon > Xun, Guma > Jackeylove, Peyz to A tier, APA to B tier, Oner to A tier, etc...

[@LordKeram]

The praise for Xun is super weird. Not like he had a horrible tournament, but he was definitely one of the underperforming members of BLG. Got outplayed by Oner at points. And at least in their first match up Canyon gapped him mega hard.

[@heart4740]

I've watched every GenG match msi and regular lck season. It's really weird to see that Canyon loses every single smite flip, except when it's an elder, then he gets most of them. I just don't understand

[@poom323]

Lehends still be the best player at playing mind games I've seen.

[@LordKeram]

I am not necessarily saying you are wrong, but I think you owe the viewers an explanation on why Xun is so high up for you, while just about every other analyst would say he underperformed and got gapped by Canyon and at times by Oner and Junjia too.

[@pralenkaman8105]

Unrelated to MSI, but are you thinking of doing another kayn top guide, or is the build still effective with the LDR changes and the removal of minion dematirializer?

[@psychopathicporo]

actually I'm going to be doing a video soon that isn't a kayn top guide, but does involve me playing kayn top. I'll be able to show the updates then

[@eins_musaik]

Wait a second, I recognize the background music... Ohno... Gets HoloHouse Fishing addiction flashbacks 😵‍💫

[@PRIM-r9l]

Good list except for canyon and peyz I would agree the rest

[@Peyote-Poncho]

Yeah, this tourney wasn't Faker's best. I think the injury's messing with him pretty good, too.

[@wandringhobo4321]

Everything you said about Peyz and your analysis on him shows how little you know about the game. Crazy you can say the things you did after this tournament when he was clearly the best performing ADC this tournament. You probably don’t even know that he’s by far the smartest with lane swapping assignments and can leverage tempo the best out of any adc at the tournament. Ironically you saying he doesn’t do anything is a result of you not knowing where to look during these games.

[@niklasepp4089]

Who told you that he made the calls when it comes to lane swapping etc

[@Corethegamer007]

My man did not watch all the bad early games huh just skipped it and waited for mid to late game

[@wandringhobo4321]

Everyone on GenG has their own voice. Chovy makes the macro calls but all the micro calls are based on each player. We saw this when Peyz calls for level 1 late invade on Kalista or Lehends locking Annie against everyone’s wishes. Each member on the team has their own input and I believe Peyz was part of how to navigate swaps in different situations. The team has to ask him how bot lane matchup changes based on level so he will have input no matter what.

[@gregpartridge7554]

@@wandringhobo4321 Ok but lane swapping isn't an individual micro call, it's a macro call that requires team coordination and we don't know for sure who made each call. So it's not a failure of analysis, other people are going to come to different conclusions if they don't share your belief that Peyz was the one making those decisions.

[@wandringhobo4321]

​@@gregpartridge7554 I find it hard to believe anyone on GenG other than Peyz/Lehends would be calling back for swap especially in the Lucian game where the botlane would know best how the matchup changes after level 3. Sure you can say it's a team macro decision but ultimately the team can only decide what to do based on what their botlane tells them. Kiin isn't going to order the botlane to swap back because he can't unless they say they can.

[@Griffin그리핀]

Crazy how you will make a reason on why you put one team above another then the very next sentence you say that reason isn’t valid for one team to be put above another.

[@psychopathicporo]

example?

[@Griffin그리핀]

Example is that you talk about GenG didn’t get put into a separate tier even though their record is 6-2 against BLG since you considered them close and even said there is a world BLG went 3-0 over GenG. Then you later say that TES stays in A tier because they did well against other teams REGARDLESS of their score which seems to counter your other argument especially when PSG also took BLG to game 5 and up until game 5 PSG also looked like they could have 3-0 BLG. During their first match up. Also both TES and PSG got 3-0 by G2. Both if anything should be in the same tier. The logic seems to not line up especially when you look at both teams through the same point.

[@psychopathicporo]

@@Griffin그리핀 I don't see how this is contradictory in any way "Despite GEN going 6-2 against BLG, I don't think the teams actually had a big enough gap in actual game performance to warrant putting them in separate tiers" "Despite TES losing to G2 0-3, I don't think the teams actually had a big enough gap in actual game performance to warrant putting them in separate tiers." "Despite PSG getting 3-0d by G2, I don't think that's enough to discredit their otherwise fantastic tournament run, which is why I put them above a lot of other teams." How is any of this unfair? The entire point I'm making with all of these is that you have to look past gamescore and see what the teams are actually doing

[@Griffin그리핀]

@@psychopathicporo the point is more so on how you justify TES placement over PSG. When especially considering how both teams played against the LCS teams

[@psychopathicporo]

@@Griffin그리핀 I mean personally I don't even consider those teams being anywhere near the realms of each other, I never even considered the possibility of putting PSG over TES. Maple and Woody are clearly a cut below the other players in that discussion, and G2 played significantly better games against TES than against PSG. Hans had a complete legacy performance against TES when he was usually their weakest performing member, whereas PSG was pretty outclassed against G2 in top, mid, and support and it never felt close apart from game 1. We never got PSG vs TES directly, but what we HAVE gotten is seeing three of PSG's players play in the LPL, and it never looked very pretty for them there (not a great metric to use, but contextually it helps). Overall, I just don't see where PSG actually beats TES. All three lanes are worse, and jungle is fairly split for the most part.

[@PRIM-r9l]

Peyz and canyon is better than their opposition that's why GenG had a dominant tournament I would out them both S tier and s+ tier for canyon he's unique pick made them hard to ban out in draft.

[@케도도케]

putting Xun above everybody else... did we watch the same msi

[@crashka5860]

really sad to see bwipo get gapped so hard by eastern toplaners, his usual win lane through outplay and then transfer his advantage or use his unconventional champ pool to counterpick and it just didnt work against the better toplaners. still bwipoggers tho

[@mgl6289]

Yeon was the best western adc, Guma was THE best adc this tournament, jackeylove 369 shit themselves but you’re lpl bias I get it lol.

[@JustADerpfisk]

Yep, 100%. Would have watched your content if it was recommended sooner. The algorithm was not kind to you.

[@enriquegalindo6235]

Yeah nah this tier list is wayyyy out of whack. Canyon over Xun? Canyon, literally, is the power of an entire team (DK) in one player. Canyon is by far the best jungler.

[@gregpartridge7554]

Hey, don't slander Showmaker like that. Canyon is only like 80% of a whole team's power.

[@Kenny44442]

Why woody no s tier?

[@xoey6420]

bro hyped up FNC for them to be 3-0d by TL ? i guess i watched the wrong msi topkek

[@HolyShitNew]

MIKYX OVER KERIA AINTNOWAY (agreed tho)

[@pixelatedsb7820]

Busio is way too high.

[@psychopathicporo]

Busio is a very low C compared to the other roles. The bottom 6 supports just all underperformed heavily or never had any expectations to begin with

[@kfs_hellbourne7525]

nah those TL rankings are trash. how are you putting most TL players under most fnc and fly players when they clearly beat both of those team. smh

[@thebluesnivy]

UMTI take is based af

[@EinAmras]

KZbin algorithm fucked you over i believe. During all of MSI i did not get recommended a single video from you. Well i have some videos to watch if i get spare time

[@DominikGajak]

Why CoreJJ so low?

[@thecanadiankiwibirb4512]

Inter

[@DominikGajak]

@@thecanadiankiwibirb4512 I disagree but fair enogh!

[@peternguyen1858]

It’s sad how low you put NA, but it’s true very poor performance. Maybe one day I will see you graze an NA player A tier.

[@jacobking1091]

Man I love you and your personality but this list and ranking is not it. So many awful takes.

[@SuperLucasGuns]

As a brazilian, I have to say, are you smoking? LOUD really disappointing 😢

[@Cryptic.0_o]

Based AF cheering against t1 every game

[@leanderfredh5300]

Mikyx over keria 🤫

[@aminefera5880]

I agree so much with the adc tier list u are so fucking based

[@haruneechan10]

1st