Porsche Cayman vs BMW M235i | evo TRACK BATTLE

Jethro Bovingdon puts the BMW M235i against the Porsche Cayman 2.7 on track at Blyton Park. Which will win?

[@Stephen981cs]

People keep commenting that the m235i is the true value winner because it's only a second slower. Beyond lap times Jethro noted that the Cayman was the more fun car to drive regardless of laptimes. The Cayman is a sports car at heart that is liveable for daily driving, the m235 is daily driver at heart that can be used for sporty driving

[@reczy]

But which is more useful for an every day driver, which is essentially what this car is? I'd rather have a beefed up road car, than a tolerable track car, as a daily.

[@Stephen981cs]

+reczy the Cayman is not a track car. Its still built for the road. However it's a true sports car that is very practical. Easily a daily driver. I'm taking the more fun car every time. If you take pleasure in the way a car drives, it's an easy choice.

[@akiskapouros]

On last corner with the Porsche if you check the time it is SLOWER than BMW... How it came out that Porsche was quicker Before you finish the lap clock is on 1.08.12 And you say that it made and you say that it made seven point something...

[@1061shrink1061]

multifunction steering wheel is an option :) but sadly no back seats. Still I've done the hot hatch thing, had a golf R, and looking back, I should have bought a Porsche a long time ago, best car ive ever had.

[@1061shrink1061]

my Boxster was cheaper to service than my old 3 series BMW. BMW have crazy dealer servicing costs. My friend has an m135i and he has spent over double what I have on servicing and maintenance over the last year.

[@v_alexiadis]

Yep, Cayman every single day!

[@NeilMagill]

Great video as always Evo, thank you. It would be interesting to see what the optional LSD does to the M235i in terms of on road and on track. I love the Cayman's, but would be very tempted to change to an M235i as a daily driver.

[@CarToneHK]

Can't wait for the M2 to come out and battle it out with the Cayman GTS Porsche would win again though lol

[@DJzSith]

Yeap, the turbo Cayman will fuck it up good.

[@rousseau327]

Strictly speaking, the M235i should have been compared against the Cayman S, whereas the M2 should be pitted against the GTS

[@CarToneHK]

Not price wise though, a the M235i is alot cheaper than the S, although the standard Cayman isn't cheap either... Which makes the M235i a bit of a bargain

[@rousseau327]

MTC0316 However, we are comparing the cars, not the price of the cars.

[@mattgoeswheelin]

ewt415 well the price is part of the car.

[@josejuancorona]

Glad to see a manual trans comparison. I love both cars!

[@CarFan901]

What is the song you guys use at the end of the video that's what I'm wondering?

[@chrisa6845]

Went for a test drive in the cayman s incredible car, amazing around the bends!! Better than my 335i for sure :(

[@davidknott1839]

Hmmm, The Cayman is £40k basic without any options. The M235i is £34k with a good standard spec and has the advantage of 4 seats and is the more comfortable daily driver. No doubt the Cayman is more fun to drive, but specced the same as the standard M235i (with Bluetooth/Rear PDC/Xenons/Multi Function Steering Wheel etc etc.,) it's more like £45k. They aren't really comparable unless you count the fact they are both coupes.......

[@whitehammer2277]

What he said.

[@bighands69]

If you want a fun car to skid around then the M235i is the car for you but if you want a fun car to drive but is a dedicated sports car that is all about sports driving then the Cayman is the car for you.

[@johns5493]

But the Porsche will always hold its value better and be worth more when you sell it

[@Feroxing12]

@@johns5493 yes and Porsche will cost you more on servicing.

[@boehm1888]

Lucky Bunny at 3:52 😉

[@lockd00]

Fuck me you have good eyes

[@infidel900rr]

Enjoyed the review! thanks

[@Photoandcargeek]

Great video, love seeing Jethro's videos. By the way, you should do an old versus new with your 996 ... And tell us how the suspension upgrade is working! I have always considered my 996 40th anniversary like a small GT3, not quite there but seriously more sporty than the standard 996 carrera (2) in particularity thanks to it's suspensions, throttle mapping and a bit thanks to the mild engine power upgrade. By the way, I live in London and do track days so maybe one day we will meet up round a corner... One day I randomly met one of your competitors at Bruntingthorpe on a week day.

[@jamescutter8760]

M235i is a bit more of a family car compared with the cayman. Wait until the M2 though!!

[@rousseau327]

Would love to see how the M2 goes against the Cayman GTS.

[@jamescutter8760]

Yeah would be insane!

[@bighands69]

M cars stand no chance against Porsche which are dedicated sports cars.

[@jamescutter8760]

BMW are totally different to Porsche though, they're not designed to be like Porches at all. Two great brands but can't be compared (Same story with Mercedes and Audi) 

[@sultanabran1]

jethro is so good at these reviews. best in my opinion.

[@GT86crazy]

First of all, this is a relatively fair comparison in terms of price. The regular cayman (not much in terms of options) and the 235i. Next the power to weight comparison is interesting too, 235i with more power but more weight, cayman with (a lot) less power and around 100kg less. Granted the cayman started life as a mid engined sports car and nothing else, and the BMW was a sedan with performance slant. Some thought went into this comparo, good job EVO. Think the M2 would be a match for the Cayman S or GTS, that would be interesting too.

[@jed52]

Was anyone really surprised by this? I mean, really?

[@647killa]

Love both cars to death. Both offer an awesome engine choice, rear wheel drive, and a true manual gearbox. Purity at its finest. If I had to choose between the two, It'd be the hardest decision of my life. Truly drivers cars right here people, you can keep your Veyrons and GTRs. I'll take both of 'em !

[@mojostevo]

It is nice to see the MT cars getting some love.

[@CrossWindsPat]

FUCK THE VERYON! 1000hp fucking bubble

[@nitspop]

ap2pat koenigsegg one is so much better and the veyron hasn't changed much in close to 10 years...

[@CrossWindsPat]

A Cohen agreed

[@SONOFAZOMBIE2025]

swallowed every line every youtuber ever told you. I'll take Schumacher's 2004 Formula 1 Ferrari and rape you all and your "proper" manual gearbox's *in the ass.* lol

[@SamuelChanSauMan]

did the cayman have the optional sports exhaust?

[@dubai0097150]

Porsche is on a roll guys ,, i don't remember recently a single battle that a porsche didn't win !! super cars

[@DethThrasher1]

***** saloon? you mean coupe

[@TheCa007]

911 turbo s lost track battle on motor trend to the new camaro Z/28. Read motor trend may 2014 issue

[@rousseau327]

TheCa007 The most comfortable 911 vs. the most hardcore Camaro. Wow, I wonder why the Turbo S lost on track.

[@BigLukeyBoi]

TheCa007 put those DOT r compound tyres the camaro has on the 911 and it would have won.

[@JonathanNichollsjono]

Le Mans 2014 unfortunately. They will be back next year though.

[@YunantoJuwono]

That cat at 3:50 is very lucky 😰

[@gregmayled]

Hare?

[@Exodus.1337]

Can you please test the AWD version of the m235i?

[@gutjos]

And that was just a Cayman, not an S or GTS, wow! great video!!!!

[@SloanZurnToto]

You should have brought the Cayman S which has similar horse power, and it would have spanked the BMW even more. For those of you who say you would take the BMW over the Porsche, obviously you have never driven a Porsche. They feel like no other car on the road. There is no substitute. Priceless

[@yassirbelarabi1686]

For me Porsche and BMW are the pinacle of motoring business !

[@lewis2827]

classiccarz strongly agreed

[@pebimandog1]

well one is mid engined, one is front.. the cayman will obviously carry more speed around the track

[@coxbright]

Love the tune at the end of this

[@danwhitaker5168]

to finish a second off a focused mid engined sports car is a brilliant achievement for a 4 seat fairly practical car, considering most buyers don't go near a track getting the bmw over the Porsche is a no brainer.

[@michael987s2]

Base cayman vs a 235 ? Wouldn't a S or gts be better suited to the highest line below m2?

[@klausm5460]

I love the M235i, I actually own a M135i. The package is very impressive, a very very nice combination of grunt, precision and practicality on the road. But there is no question about it that the Cayman is the better sports car, arguable one of the most balanced sports cars in the world. If you need 4 doors and rear seats the M135i´s only competition is the Golf R, but the lack of usable rear seats in the M235i raises the question if it wouldn´t be more straightforward to buy the Porsche in the first place.

[@mattsmith4063]

Wow you can tell with his enthusiasm and confidence on the much faster apex speed that the Cayman is just so much better and a blast to drive.

[@skrads]

I drove an M235i and a new Boxster S back to back. I was shocked to find the BMW to be the more enjoyable road car. Massive amount of torque with immediate power delivery. Yes it felt heavier then the Porsche but it was a good feeling. Considering the price difference and practicality, the BMW is the winner in my eyes. The boxster was disappointing to me because you had to wind the engine up high to feel the power. I realized today that I prefer a high torque engine. The BMW inline 6 is a sweet engine. The M235i is one special car. For daily driving I can honestly say the BMW wins. Could the Boxster be that different from a Cayman? Are Porsches overrated on the web? You got to drive these cars and feel for your self which ones for you!

[@charleslu7044]

New Boxster S with PDK is 0-60 in 4.2, manual about 4.5. My old 2005 3.2 Boxster S is tuned and quite fast, 4.5-4.6. I think you were in the 2.7 base Boxster which is about 5.5 with manual?

[@skrads]

To Charles: my comment clearly stated that I drove the S model, but apparently you know which car I drove. Enjoy your Porsche. 😁

[@clu4u]

Awright I get it, best inline 6 vs pretty darn good flat 6 which needs tuning. Can you get much more hp out of the BMW with RCU tuning, lightweight flywheel, under drive pulley and sport cat headers and secondary cat delete?

[@sulyman86]

Yeah I did the same and I bought the BMW :)

[@dmb251013]

+sulyman86 And I dumped the 235 for the 981 CS. Good thing there are choices. :)

[@Mrcloc]

The Cayman is so much more expensive than the BMW. Either way, I would take the Porsche hands down!

[@Kprawl291986]

It's well worth it.

[@lbc38]

Name of music?

[@Avrelivs_Gold]

This gen Cayman is one epic win.

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

They all are. First gen 987 had (some) potential problems. But 987.2 is my favorite by far. 718 is the worse imo. 981 GTS and GT4 are great.

[@Exodus.1337]

What music is used in this video?

[@bobbobby1412]

Yeah! Has the mystery been solved yet?

[@KKOKAJ]

It would be nice for every battle that you do, to let as know the price as tested of the cars!

[@whoisdv]

This proves how good even the base model of the Cayman is. You don't need an S version or even a 911 to have a properly good Porsche.

[@wrathen127]

@ 3min 51secs a bunny tries to kill itself infront of the M235i

[@nawfelalquraini5536]

The Cayman is an iconic coupe and in a league of its own. The M235i is just a 3 series with two doors with jacked up power. Sorry, but the Cayman is superior in handling, chassis/suspension set up, PDK, and its a mid-engine. Yes, its more expensive but you can just stick with the base Cayman (which is fast enough for 95% of population). Option the car as I did with Metallic color, full leather interior, Premium Pkg, and PDK transmission (you don't need anything else) and the car is in the high $60's K range, for what your getting its a bargain. The 2 series is just a 2 series, no one will notice it. The Cayman on the other hand will always be there. 2 Series, C-Coupe, TT, all are great but they are not in the same league as the Cayman, Sorry but that is the truth.

[@pergrzegorz]

+Nawfel AlQuraini - premium package in Cayman? Quality of interior is better in 2 series, so is 8 speed ZF box. This video is a bit unfair. 235i with limited slipp diff, ceramic brakes and 19" tyres will be faster than Cayman. And by buying a Cayman/Boxster you always look like someone who wanted 911, but couldn't afford it ;)

[@davieman3443]

a perfect example of power isn't everything as most modern cars are focussed on power and torque outputs. once you have owned a mid or rear engine car, there is no going back!

[@lawrencepll76]

They made up the times, as the time shown on the in car camera is different from the result at the finishing line. Interestingly, it suggested that the BMW is actually faster! 3:51 and 7:09.

[@mrdragancelan]

I noticed that too. When the timer hit 1:08 for both cars, the BMW was closer to the pylons than the Porsche. Not sure where they came up with these times.

[@CJM44.41]

Dragan Celan Think they must've done another lap in the cars without all the talking & sliding you see in the video despite showing a lap timer during the shown lap. EVO is probably the most trustworthy sites when it comes to cars.

[@mrdragancelan]

***** I wonder why they even bothered with this comparison at all. They also failed to mention that an LSD is available to buy from BMW for the M235i.

[@Normally_aspirated]

Dragan Celan It's available on the porsche too.

[@mrdragancelan]

Jonathan Arena Really? I thought the Cayman had a transaxle and came standard with an LSD.

[@AW-xv7dq]

It's on the list

[@Magic_Vince]

M140i/M240i with an exhaust and a proper set of coilovers is one of the best deals you can make!

[@footcenter5324]

What a superb interior in The Cayman

[@Nemoticon]

It would be nice for Porsche to revisit the 924/944 models of the 80s & 90s, adding a compact, front engine, RWD platform to their range again. As great as the 911 and Boxter/Cayman models are today, I always had a soft spot for the old 944 Turbo xD

[@JonathanNichollsjono]

@TheLoneWolf989 Evo is about the thrill of driving. Many times they compare different types of cars against each other. If I have to compare these two cars (to see which suits me), I would have to buy them both and then make a decision. This is not pointless to everyone.

[@geoffreyvandenbemden4547]

You can't turn the DSC Off and keep the car in Sport+. When turning the DSC Off, it goes back to 'Comfort' (throttle response, gearing if automatic tranmission equipped and damper settings if dynamic dampers equipped) except for the steering, which stays in Sport ("heavy") mode. Anyway, not that it really matters but the throttle response is way sharper in Sport(+) and the gear changes are quicker. Sport+ has DTC enabled, dynamic traction control, allowing it to step out a tiny bit and then some harsh throttle cut-off when loss of grip is significant.

[@stoneeh]

The sad thing, BMW has not only forgotten how to build great M cars, they have also forgotten how to build great engines. They have to turbocharge them today, and have to synthesize the sound. Did the naturally aspirated BMW V12 in the McLaren F1 have a lack of power or sound?

[@fernandoeta9819]

Was this even the cayman s with sport Chrono? I have that car and the difference is unreal..

[@nswgb69]

Mmmm.So the BM was used as the road sweeper then.

[@JoeDogInKC]

I love how if you watch the video carefully, you can see the timer on screen hit 1:08 for the Cayman (around the 7:10 mark in the video), yet they say it did the lap in 1:07.7. Hmm...

[@turbo311]

Wasn't the 2.7 Cayman replaced by the 2.9 in the first generation???

[@jeffrey-f]

yep the 987.1 was 2.7 then 987.2 was 2.9 then went back to 2.7 with the 981

[@promodelred]

Do a drag battle for these cars it'd be interesting

[@therealbajan522]

BMW would win

[@Normally_aspirated]

Why not the Cayman S?

[@mstSean]

To people saying this is a stupid comparison, the cars are both RWD 2dr 2 passenger cars so they serve nearly the same purpose. Also the base Cayman is not as far from the M235i in price as you would think only about $10k here in the states.

[@HesteBremse]

I really like both cars, would love to have a BMW M235i but between those two contenders the Cayman is simply more special and desirable, but I guess so is the price tag.

[@jamespink4202]

I can't believe anyone would chose the BM. Just look at the interior, poise, handling, brakes, on limit feel... and it's a Porsche, so it will feel like that for 20 years... No contest.

[@shughes911]

Blows me away that 2.7 motor

[@bobnub8194]

Jethro is a good driver!!!

[@LifeInElSalvador]

2 beauties !

[@orionsquall]

A lot of complain about pointless comparison... well I guess this is still a more mature match than those red light straight line race between civic SI and Neon SRT4 we often see on youtube :)

[@santrade10]

So to conclude don't buy either of them, save some money and get the m135i?

[@BBDSmint]

+santrade10 If you look at it purely from a value perspective, it's hard to ignore the M135i, especially when you can get a 3-4 year old one with reasonable miles for about half the price of a new 235i.

[@pd1596]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone talk so casually while spanking a car round a track lol nice work. In the market for an M235i now and I'm a fan

[@Unb3arablePain]

The problem with the M235i is that BMW was lazy with it. Instead of trying to make a cheap, small coupe with M performance they took a regular 2 series, duct taped some performance addons onto it and said, "That looks good, ja!". It's too heavy and was only given enough performance to make it great for the streets, but not the track. They didn't even bother to give it a proper M name. It's not a bad car, it just doesn't measure up to it's potential. Shame, really. For as (relatively) cheap as it is, it could make out to be the perfect track car for someone who can't afford an M4. It was already a small car, but just too fat. If it shed some pounds and the chassis and parts were made for more sports performance, we'd have an amazing fast car, that is manual, has a superb engine, amazing handling AND is under $50 grand. Let's hope the upcoming M2 doesn't fall victim to the same problems as above.

[@rscars1948]

It wasn't meant to be a proper M car. That would be the mentioned M2.

[@purdles314]

They possibly held back cause they are prepping the M2 for either next year or 2016. I had a M235i for the easter weekend, very powerful machine on the streets and very enjoyable to drive

[@henzo7087]

M2 BMW will beat it on the track

[@inwoner7190]

I also think the naming is a mistake. It's going on for years now you can get M-bumpers and such on your 318d, and adding cars naming M-something, but not being a real M, feals a bit like : hey, this is not an M, but you can get a little taste already. So, I understand you can't get a 235i, only an M235i ? The 235i would more suite what it is, I think.

[@SirGambs]

considering its the only v6 2 series and it still keeps up to the M3 CSL on stock non M parts i think its a bargain and an acheivement. btw the M2 is only going to have 380 hp and you can easily tune the M235i and add proper parts to make it better and faster than a stock M2

[@GT-gt4bf]

The 3.8 from the Carrera S making 400 hp would be amazing on the Cayman.

[@goatmonkey2112]

Yeah, that "BM" had some grunt thrown at it... 5:30

[@chris14091975]

this video seriously affected me in my future car purchase

[@ed981cayman7]

Driving dynamics beats HP in this case :) Porsche!

[@kraenk12]

I don't get it...why don't you call it the two thirtyfive i?

[@frank09busa]

Porsche could have sent S model to race the BMW for closer TQ but Porsche have this tendency to send less powered car to race higher power cars and generally wins. Porsche know how to put together sports cars and not disappoint the fans.

[@mohamedsallam2513]

This man understand the proper advantage of a proper manual transmission

[@weed46]

And this is only the Base Cayman with 2.7l engine. Imagine how the Cayman GTS would fare :) BMW is totaly losing it's "Mojo", BMW used to make cars that weren't as fast as porsches, but they would be right there for driver involvment and fun, not on this decade...

[@PeterPanarchy]

Considering they were comparing a practical four seater against a mid engine sports car that costs more, I'm not concerned. We'll revisit this when the M2 comes out.

[@damefaso]

PeterPanarchy Let's see again "BMW used to make cars that weren't AS FAST AS PORSCHES,but they would be right there for DRIVER INVOLVMENT AND FUN" You missed the point.Even a E9X 320i was a fun car,a machine to enjoy,but the new ones with their electronic steering,twin turbos all over the place and auto transmisions are killing that.

[@rousseau327]

damefaso I don't think it's the new technology that is making BMW less fun. Porsche is using electric steering, Mercedes is using turbos in their AMGs, and supercars all over use DCT automatics, yet they all have more character than the new wave of M cars. BMW is just not getting the hang of it, it seems.

[@weed46]

ewt415 It's a mix of everything... BMW's used to have good steering feel, good engine note, and overall good driving experience even when you didn't buy an ///M model. Now not only the regular BMW's have all the feel muted, but even the ///M models seem to be less connected with the driver... They are too cynical. too efficient in what they do, that they forgot about the fun

[@christianbeck4335]

PeterPanarchy practical if you're 3 feet tall and can squeeze into the back seat maybe... and the porsche has 15 cubic feet of trunk spaced compared to the bimmer's 13.8

[@aniskoko5580]

yeah but the Cayman is more expensive than the M235I !!!!!!

[@francisg3467]

It would be interesting to do the same test with three other passengers on board.

[@Thorgal85]

Old review but if you have the car in sport plus, the dct is not off but just lowered. Might have made a big difference

[@TheGbizaille]

0:47 do you really think you can really get some honest results out of the M235i with those tires on????? I don't think so. PS: I really like Jethro, he has some crazy driving skills

[@ArchieMakuwa]

I beg to differ... Engineers work really hard to make sure the automatic transmissions are better. I am starting to dislike individuals who still 'have so much respect' for manual transmissions on performance cars. I dislike you!! You want a manual, get a cheap car. Engineers study really hard to give us exceptionally good auto-transmission boxes.

[@inwoner7190]

When you say "automatic", what you mean is "semi-automatic". The good part of this evolution, is that automatic gearboxes finally seem to be abandoned. No wonder, they were technically inferior to anything else. But, these days, the semi-automatics are technically ahead of manuals, no wonder. BUT ... manual drivers know when you need to shift, and ppl that drive semi-autos, in auto mode, still don't. They just know "their" automatic gearbox suddenly shifts faster ! And, has got more gears (not that they listen to revs), but hey.

[@gonzacastellvi]

3:51 was a rabbit crossing the track?

[@zacconner4534]

Almost hit a rabbit at 3:50 lol

[@MadelnMachines]

I would be interested to see the difference in handling with the LSD installed. Some people say it's balanced, drift happy and amazing fun to drive - others not. I'm not sure what to believe.

[@TWHISPERER]

How the hell does Porsche do it? A base Cayman beating a turbo M? Porsche always wins.

[@therealbajan522]

As stated a million times It's not a full m car(that would be a m2), doesn't even have a LSD.

[@dmb251013]

+TheRealBajan The Cayman doesn't either...the 235 is simply a wet noodle. I traded mine in for a 981 CS.

[@nortonmartins]

Its like law vs chaos, bimmer representing pure muscle, brawn and speed by sheer engine force and the cayman relying a lot on techniques and engine position to make it a more lightweight contender, steering around better in curves.

[@pikachupowers]

that m235i could really use wider tires, that would help the over and understeer alot. as much as i love bmw i think i would take the cayman, its not an easy choice but the cayman is more balanced and more of a true sports car then the bmw is. sounds incredible too. both are amazing cars however

[@hotshot940]

Is this result a surprise with an extra 10k price tag on the Porsche?

[@bighands69]

Price has nothing to do with it. The Porsche is a dedicated sports car were as the BMW is not it is more of a fun car.

[@darkpill]

bighands69 Price has everything to do with it. The Porsche was loaded. On top of the $10K price difference add PASM suspension - $2K, Chronos package (motorsport-derived gearshift strategy, improved throttle response), can't tell visually, but most likely had Torque vectoring ($1.5K), and Sport Chassis ($1.4K), PDK transmission is $3.6K, and oh yeah - those 20" wheels are $5K (Beamer had 18's). I'm a huge fan of both cars - but this contest was clearly stacked in the Cayman's favour. The Cayman at the very least should have been a manual for this to be a more even competition, and the Beamer should have had the limited slip.

[@folanhunter]

The cayman does have a manual stupid

[@darkpill]

Doesn't change anything, dipshit.

[@Stephen981cs]

+darkpill chronos package doesn't really add anything to the car if it doesn't have PDK. Won't affect the lap times here. Larger rims aren't going to improve the caymans lap time either and I wouldn't assume this car had PTV. He doesn't mention that it does. Fact is that the car was faster because of better brakes, lighter weight, and better chassis. Even in the most basic form, the Cayman will still beat this m235i on a track as it is specced. Cayman is more expensive but that's what you're paying for.

[@skrads]

I would like to see the M235i on the track with the LSD.

[@1061shrink1061]

imagine if this had been the power comparable Cayman S. It would have absolutely destroyed the BMW. I'm a huge fan of the M135/140/235/240 range and have driven them many times, but boxsters/caymans are just another level of involvement, precision and placement. In the end, I was happier to have a 2005 Boxster S rather than a much newer M135i for the same cash.

[@Kaisuke971]

Nice comparaison, but not really a surprise here. The Cayman is more a sportcar than the M235i, the M235i is not a proper M. I'm not saying that the M will beat the GTS or even the S, but for me they're not really in the same category. Btw i still prefer the M235i over the Cayman: it's cheaper, and more easy to use everyday. It's a bit of a "normal" car. The Porsche is... a Porsche !

[@StormcastMarine]

I have a standard Cayman, so I'm glad it's better, but it's almost double the price. So the comparison isn't fair. Wait for that Cayman GT4 :)

[@SirSchmittyX]

Rabbit crossing 03:51

[@whitehammer2277]

Ahh, the back of that Beamer is killing me. Yacksie I say.

[@akiskapouros]

I have to say this On last corner with the Porsche if you check the time it is SLOWER than BMW... How it came out that Porsche was quicker Before you finish the lap clock is on 1.08.12 And you say that it made and you say that it made seven point something... What a fake comparison and also unfair BTW I drive Opel and I am not a fanboy....

[@TheJoeMB]

The M235i is a different proposition to the Cayman, more practical, and easy going, the Cayman is much more focused car, they appeal to two very different people. It really isn't a direct rival for the Cayman at all, more the likes of the Mercedes CLA and other small 4 seater coupes of which it is better. I wish Jethro would have highlighted that fact, the only reason why they appear here is because of their similar price.

[@iantownsend5480]

Either tho the M235i lost its still a bargain & it's still the one I'd choose

[@juz882010]

people who can afford these cars usually dont have time for track days

[@Stephen981cs]

That's not true at all. Plenty of caymans and M cars at track days

[@ian7675]

That Porsche interior...

[@anthonyjaswinski5732]

BMW puts me to sleep. It's like some button-shirt yuppie bar with everyone singing Sweet Caroline

[@bighands69]

BMW M cars are fun to drive they offer great handling and can be thrown around. Porsche offer great handling but is more gear towards sports driving.

[@anthonyjaswinski5732]

bighands69 you're right. Cayman is too fun though

[@pergrzegorz]

+Anthony Jaswinski - Porsche design, on the other hand is sooo boring, didn't change in 60 years ;) Plus I love wiping off that smug of Carrera/Cayman owner faces in my slightly tuned 335d. Their hairdresser cars are no match for 360 bhp and more importantly 730Nm of torque ;D

[@johnjackson12]

+pergrzegorz People under estimate torque. Always makes me laugh when you catch a Type R owner off guard and they have to wait for the power but by then you already overtaken them

[@Danbimmerfan]

+pergrzegorz tuned 335i's are no joke for sure

[@defyyourlogic487]

Obviously the cayman is the answer but porsche resale value makes the 235 the value winner.

[@romulus_]

not exact an apples to apples comparison here. cayman vs m2, whenever that comes out. or perhaps m235i vs. cla45 amg. love the cayman and the m235i though, they keep enticing me to make a poor financial decision =)

[@charleslu7044]

All cars are a poor financial decision, lol...

[@romulus_]

Charles Lu truth, but you can mitigate the disaster by buying a japanese sedan.

[@sephiros9883]

One thing I'll add for anyone reading now: the M235i absolutely needs camber plates in front. The stock camber is just terrible and camber plate makes a LOAD of difference. Brakes need pads and fluid. It gets much, much much better with these 2 upgrades.

[@Hudstable]

fully specced cayman gts vs fully specced M4? both with dual clutch boxes.

[@Neil2022]

Surprised he m235i man was that quick. My wife has one and it feels slow!