'Post Brexit the US sides with Ireland and EU over the UK' | Scott Lucas

[@Anna-tj7mp]

Brexit has been a disaster. I am glad that at least the Republic of Ireland is thriving and hope Northern Ireland will be OK.

[@celtspeaksgoth7251]

RoI is politically very shaky - the two main parties are in a desperate grand coalition to prevent Sinn Fein from assuming control. Meanwhile the EU makes RoI a dumping ground for migrants. That's at street level and won't change however many wannabee JFKs deign to make speeches waxing lyical. Irish people still head to GB as their own land is too expensive.

[@stiofain88]

​@@celtspeaksgoth7251You haven't a clue about Ireland. You don't even know the people hate you.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Northern Ireland economy is booming . ! Unlike ROI. Been to Dublin lately....try a visit before posting again ? You won't look such an idiot then.!

[@thomasbootham2707]

Tell that to Irishmen that can hardly afford to live maybe the wealthy elites in the financial sector are thriving but the average Irishman isn’t

[@gloin10]

@@thomasbootham2707 The average Irish man is far better off than their UK equivalent. The claim that Irish people "...can hardly afford to live..." is hyperbolic nonsense.

[@billysastard8779]

Breaking international law in limited and specific way didnt age well did it?

[@evolassunglasses4673]

You mean when America destroyed Iraq Syria Libya and Afghanistan? Plus backed a coup against the then ELECTED government of Ukraine 9 years ago?

[@andypeutherer4218]

Nope very predictably

[@amelio5720]

What?

[@entx8491]

​@@amelio5720 the law, the UK broke it.

[@suburbia2050]

@@entx8491 which law?

[@uweinhamburg]

The GFA was one of the few USA politics moments that was accepted as a success by all sides in the USA. I guess they will do whatever necessary to protect it.

[@joemdee]

The GFA was never a success. Much of the violence stopped but there has never been any rapprochement between the parties in Northern Ireland. Everyone slags off the DUP but they have a mandate and their vote has held up showing that they have the support of the vast majority of unionism. Like it or not. It is high time the UK stopped providing economic and military support to UKRAINE and let the US, the EU and Republic of Ireland (lol) sort the Russians out themselves. When the US need real friends it’s only ever the UK that shows up. The real power in the US understand that fact. There was no sign of RoI troops in IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN. The views of some academic from the “Slick Willie Institute” in Dublin are irrelevant as are the opinions of an elderly-confused one-term president who has made the US a laughing stock throughout the world. (Think withdrawal from Afghanistan).

[@samhartford8677]

Indeed. The US Senate (before the 2022 election) passed UNANIMOUSLY (=a miracle!) Resolution 117 on Northern Ireland requiring the UK to uphold the NIP and stop threatening Art. 16. People keep thinking it's Biden. It never was. Even the Trump administration had the same attitude.

[@widsof7862]

you do realise how much of a part British Prime Ministers and the government had in making the GFA? it was very much something that was hard worked on. We are just unfortunate to live in a period of populist snake oil salesman. Our version of Trump just didn’t care about the GFA but that doesn’t mean that everyone has the same attitude.

[@samhartford8677]

@@widsof7862 Yes, of course we understand it, and it was seen in the warnings by Major and Blair prior to the referendum and then in the actions of May. But a lot of mediation was required between Ireland and the UK, Irish nationalists and Unionists, which is why politicians from other countries are also invested in the peace process. Even ex-PM of Finland was one of the early mediators (Harri Holkeri) of the conflict.

[@markwayne7586]

Yes it is also USA strategic interests to protect peace in Ireland/EU and 100s of Billions of USA investment in Ireland as a bridge to EU.

[@stevenhenry5267]

And? What did the UK expect? Do a dumb thing,win dumb prizes.

[@danfitz5463]

Dumb thing? What standing by the will of the people..... Democracy!

[@groslait7814]

@@danfitz5463that was corruption of lies ,fooling people is not democracy

[@CloudhoundCoUk]

The UK shouldn't be surprised. In reality, the special relationship was always in the minds of the British, not the US.

[@joecater894]

.. hmm, not exactly true that.. people in the US understand the value of the special relationship with the UK.. its just America isn't one entity.. obviously it consists of individuals and they have different ideas.

[@ovaughan3836]

@@joecater894 value ? what value ? Puppets have no value to the USA other than as puppets to be sacrificed such as Ukraine,

[@gloin10]

@@joecater894 "...people in the US understand the value of the special relationship with the UK..."? If you believe that claim, you are deluding yourself. The USA has one, very definite, 'Special Relationship', which is with Israel. Ireland enjoys a very close relationship with the USA. Countries around the world would sacrifice their granny for the guaranteed access Ireland has to the White House every Paddy's Day. The reason for both of these 'Special' relationships is rooted in US DOMESTIC politics. The two most powerful political lobby groups in US politics are the Israeli and Irish lobbies. No other lobby comes close. Successive Irish governments spent a lot of time and energy building a relationship with the Irish-American lobby, which resulted in bi-partisan support in BOTH parts of the US Congress for the Irish peace process, and the Good Friday Agreement(GFA). Oh, and American support for Ireland when it comes to the UK government messing around with Northern Ireland(NI)... The UK does not, and did not, have anything like that level of support across the aisle in Congress. As Helmut Kohl pointed out; "The Special Relationship was so special that only the British knew about it!"

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

That special relationship did exist. Until 1945 Britain was important to them because of the colonies and the shared ownership of trans-oceanic communication cables (hence the 'Five Eyes'), by the '70 Britain had lost it's colonies and from '73 onwards it existed because Britain functioned as a US bridgehead into the EU. Since we left the EU there is no value in it any more for the USA and it ceased to exist the UK having been replaced by Ireland. PS: During the Troubles the USA was the largest legal source of income for Sinn Fein. Donations to them were even tax deductable under US law.

[@ulfosterberg1979]

@@joecater894 one is usually thinking of a countrys beliefs as the beliefs of its parliament and the main persons of its ruling parties and its civilservants who makes foregin policy and not mrs smith from milwauke.

[@luismanuel2612]

We all remember when President Obama said Brexit would put the UK "back of the queue" for trade talks. Biden was the Vice- President at that time and he didn't disagree...

[@thefunctionofjames]

Americans will always side with Ireland over the UK. We speak the same language as the UK, but we fought the same war as the Irish. ☘☘☘☘

[@anthonyferris8912]

That wouldn't be WW2, would it? 😂

[@thefunctionofjames]

@@anthonyferris8912 Independence. :P

[@widsof7862]

no you didn’t, the Irish were in a totally different situation to the US, who were just British living abroad and had the same background as the people oppressing Ireland in the first place.

[@B-A-L]

​@@thefunctionofjames What? The American war of Independence was fought in Ireland? Well I didn't know that!

[@seandoherty925]

Yes I think many British miss this. Lots of Americans who have no attachment to Ireland understand the history of Empire well enough to see the similarity between their fight for independence and Ireland's.

[@stephenconway2468]

Any trade deal is decided by the Congress in reality. However, Ireland has influence on both sides. So Trump could say what he wanted to say, but this was never going anywhere without protection for the GFA. That meant that the NI Protocol would have to be honoured. Ireland has shown that they are the real masters of soft power and not ourselves.

[@shanemolloy4731]

Congress " friends of ireland are the ones stopping it. Both partys too

[@jonoessex]

Ireland has influence in America that it has used in a vindictive and bullying fashion against Britain. Nothing for them to be proud of in that behaviour.

[@withcoffey]

Exactly, The Economist reported a few years ago that the Irish are a global superpower in relation to soft power. And, USA has always said - on both sides of the aisle - that Ireland is a priority.

[@soviet9366]

Northern ireland might join Israel as an increasingly partisan issue, with Democrats pandering to their Irish american/Catholic supporters, and gop opposing them for the sake of culture war spite

[@markwayne7586]

That is a bonus for Ireland but even if no Irish lobby in Congress it is USA strategic interests to protect GFA peace in Ireland and to maintain Ireland/EU links.

[@hopeforbetter382]

Ireland is the greatest representative of how the UK Commonwealth treated their so called subjects in it’s greatest famine!

[@Jcolbert123]

It was the British Empire not the Conmon Wealth. The argument continues over whether Britain's treatment of Ireland during the Irish famine was genocide or not. But we were just a blueprint. What Britain done to Ireland it copied all over its empire. Approximately 15 million indians were starved to death during Britains reign. Approx 3 million indians were starved to death during WWII to ensure Britain had a steady food supply. Britain broke Ireland into two. But it broke India into 3.

[@Jcolbert123]

@karmakazi How many live have been saved? At what cost did this modernisation take? If you read my comments very very carefully you will see I did not in fact say that Britain was the inventor of starvation because to claim something like that would be moronic. What I did state was the fact that under British rule both Ireland and India had millions starve because of British government policy. Is that an incorrect statement?

[@GaryOzbourne-mp7yv]

You get treated better than my country Wales and SCOTLAND..Ireland you tuck my ancestors as slaves so I wish we could have independence from england and think of are selves.

[@gary637]

Poverty killed the Irish during the famine. Laissez-faire political thinking and 'work through poverty' were the main reasons it didn't help them. Europe had its own massive famines, yet we only hear about Ireland. Despite there being two previous famines in Ireland which killed many more people, the 'famous' famine co-incided with a nationalist uprising in Ireland. It was used to whip up xenophobia and hatred of the British. A useful propaganda tool for ultra nationalist extremists. They took that bitter hatred to America where it still festers as 'Bigot Biden' and the millions of dollars, the Irish Americans raised to fund and arm the IRA terror group through Noriaid. That's the most significant Irish-USA link.

[@Jcolbert123]

@Gary "Poverty" that's an unnecessary name for the policies imposed on Ireland by a British government who continued to export food from an island where a million people starved to death. The response wasn't as muted to Scotland as it was Ireland. The famine did not infact 'co-incide' with an uprising. What a great uprising a country of literally starving people would make. The uprising that followed some 50 years later... was largely due to the handling of the famine by the British empire and their laissez-faire politics. The bitter hatred for what is considered genocide by many is justified. We all hate the nazis too (imagine your countries history being compared to the nazis, well done). The Orange Terror in the North of Ireland (not to be confused with the Orange Order) was entirely funded and armed by British authorities leading to the partition of Ireland. Those same men of the Orange Terror brought their hatred to the new world also. The followers of William of Orange in the new world simply became known as 'hillbillys'.

[@deceptivepanther]

If the UK wishes to indulge in a frenzy of self-harm, let them. The rest of us have to get on with our own future, as best we can. ☘

[@normanchristie4524]

'If the Tory Party wishes...'. Brexit was and is their wish , not the majority of thinking UK electorate.

[@timmurphy5541]

​@@normanchristie4524 if nobody voted for UKIP the Tory party would never have changed their tune. This is absolutely the fault of insecure British voters who did it regardless of knowing the cost because they thought nothing mattered more than saying FU to all the foreigners they decided to blame for their problems and fears.

[@mamaduck9370]

America has long been an ally of Irish Republicanism and a United Ireland is inevitable now England has made the folly of Brexit.

[@imastaycool]

Cheers from Dublin ☘

[@kathleenmcmanus8509]

Mama Duck are you actually aware of the conditions in the Irish Republic at the moment? The massive homelessness crisis the collapse of the health care system or the mass importation of unvetted male immigrants from Eastern Europe and sub Saharan Africa that has led to protests by the ordinary working class people on at least a weekly basis.

[@stevenconfident5883]

@@kathleenmcmanus8509 are you currently aware of the conditions in Brexit? England is more or less the same they’re having my massive strikes about it. 😂😂😂😂 get your self educated

[@ettoreatalan8303]

Divided islands only cause problems. See also Cyprus.

[@kathleenmcmanus8509]

@@ettoreatalan8303 so continents with different countries are not a thing in your wheelhouse then are they? I think there have been a few problems in Europe and Africa within living memory

[@michaeltagg492]

Anyone who has been to Ireland on the 4th of July or the USA on St Patrick's day you understand that unlike the UK that thinks it has special relationship, Ireland DOES HAVE.

[@stpd1957]

Spot on

[@imastaycool]

Greetings from Dublin ☘💚

[@shanemolloy4731]

🫡🇮🇪

[@uweinhamburg]

Superpowers don't have special relations, if anything they have interests. If the USA has any special relation to a country, it is Israel: Ireland second position. UK? 'That's the small island near Europe, right??'

[@danieldickson8591]

I've looked at reports that the UK military isn't what it used to be.

[@gedog77]

If this wasn’t clear to the brexiteers then that just adds to the tragedy. Brexit was a conscious act of self harm for absolutely no benefit. And it remains unfathomable to me.

[@cockneycharm3970]

🙄

[@Horizon344]

Nonsense

[@gedog77]

I’m glad you both replied. If we ever make a single additional £1 from Brexit or achieve a single objective collective benefit from that rank stupidity you are welcome to tell me I’m wrong. The IMF and the world bank have assessed our economic loss to be 4% of gdp and counting. Let’s see how this goes?

[@English_Dawn]

The first role of any government is too defend it's own people. UK and US narrative is that Russia and China are a threat to Western Civilization and that heavy spending in defence, both conventional and cyber being necessary. The Republic of Ireland clearly don't think so and "risk" the safety of their nation . No visits to Kiev, no tanks for Zelensky, hoping being neutral will save them from all ill's. Sure the Brexiteers knew the ramifications but most don't live in Northern Ireland, other things are salient to them.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@gedog77 Brexit part has been in charge for over a decade. Anything bad is 100% their fault.

[@alandworsky8926]

I have not seen anyone else mention how much brexit was awful for the US in terms of strategic relations. The UK used to offer the English speaking world a perfect platform on which to engage with Europe/EU. By pursuing brexit, the UK has drastically diminished its power on the world stage and undermined the prior US plans to rely on the UK as the window into the EU. Obviously the UK can do as it likes, but shooting itself and its Allies in the foot is not exactly advisable or commendable. The US and UK relationship will remain strong because of our shared personal and cultural ties, but to the extent the UK is determined to destabilize the peace in Ireland the US will push back. As I would hope they would.

[@shanemolloy4731]

Used to . Thats the BS the education system teaches. Truth is genocide starvation and cruelty

[@CatSpew1000]

For the record, Steve Bannon pushed it along with Nigel Farage. Bannon likes the Alexander Duggin philosophy and creates chaos like Jan 6 mess.

[@davidpaterson2309]

Spot on. The U.K. was recipient of a disproportionately large amount of US FDI because it provided - same language, understandable legal system and contracts, global finance centre linked to NY - and all of this within the EU, the perfect location for “EMEA” HQs and market entry platform for the EU itself. Thrown away. And FDI is more important for the U.K. than most countries - as Carney said, we rely on “the kindness of strangers” to support our currency our borrowing capacity and thus our economy.

[@s3ra9h1m]

The UK betrayed the commonwealth, particularly New Zealand, when joining the EEC. Fast forward they then betray the EU to rekindle ties with the commonwealth who are now weary. Mix that with all the other acts of betrayal, holding other nations gold etc, the UK simply cannot be trusted

[@sandyfordd1843]

24 out of the top 25 US tech companies have their European headquarters in Ireland, this was the case even before Brexit. Tiny little Ireland with a population of only five million has gobbled up much of the US FDI money. Brexit makes Ireland even more attractive.

[@lazslostpierre9951]

The English used to make jokes about the Irish being 'thick'... Brexit one big sick English joke.

[@B-A-L]

Used to? We still do, ye fecking eejit!

[@amcc5887]

And a embarrassment to the uk torie government

[@YourTamedLion]

Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving, as long as you are NOT british 😂😂😂

[@ettoreatalan8303]

To crown it all, the EU still needs the Huxit. Huxit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union

[@JohnSmall314]

If someone breaks the law would you complain that the police are taking sides when they arrest the criminal? The USA is a legal guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement. Therefore they are legally obliged to do whatever they can to maintain the Good Friday Agreement. They're the policeman in this case. The UK is doing everything it can to break a legally binding agreement therefore the USA is legally obliged to side with the Ireland and the EU. It's part of their job description. All for a tiny group of people in Northern Ireland who are triggered if they can't buy the right brand of sausages.

[@mrharry448]

The Good Friday agreement would be guaranteed by the US insisting on customs borders being between the EU and Ireland not between the UK and another part of the UK.

[@imastaycool]

​@@mrharry448 Britain and even the UK as a whole is disunited politically, socially, culturally and linguistically. The poor political choices and decisions of Brexit have made the lack of unity ever clearer for the entire world to see. It's not just disunited, it's also completely imbalanced. Politically, it has devolved governments, but most of the power lies in Tory Westminster which has the UK at political loggerheads. These devolved governments squabble and fight amongst each other which details the disunity. Brexit was divisive and it shows how disunited the UK is with the occupied region called "Northern Ireland" and the country of Scotland voting No to Brexit. The UK is literally split down the middle in the Brexit debacle which makes it politically disunited. Furthermore, the UK isn't a voluntary union because Scotland is actively being denied another independence referendum post Brexit - this, again, makes it a disunited partnership + an imbalanced and undemocratic one. Welsh and Scottish independence is growing while talks of Irish reunification are on everyone's lips - this, again, demonstrates a disunited and imbalanced union. Socially, culturally and linguistically it is also divided and disunited as the different parts have their own culture and language + Britain has become increasingly "British Asian". Brexit itself limits multiculturalism and encourages exclusive nationalism and nativism which in effect breeds racism and xenophobia (the very core of Brexit and Brexiteers). Try convincing yourself that Grim Britain is united, but it's DISUNITED and IMBALANCED as well as UNDEMOCRATIC and UNJUST. And it's actively breaking up which is the ultimate win 😅

[@gloin10]

@@mrharry448 Repetition of your nonsense will not magically remove the 'non; while leaving a trace of 'sense'.... The USA was never in a position to demand "...customs borders being between the EU and Ireland ..." Why should Ireland have to suffer because of the Brixiteers self-mutilating stupidity? The EU will NEVER agree to put up a border between its own member states.

[@martijnb5887]

@@mrharry448 Pss, I will tell you a secret. Don't tell other Brexiteers, as it might be to big a shock to their world view for their feeble minds to handle: Ireland is part of the EU, not any more a colony of the United Kingdom. Why would Ireland leave the customs union to save the United Kingdom from a border in the Irish sea, necessitated by decision of the United Kingdom (better: England) to leave the customs union? Is that in the interest of Ireland? No. That border makes re-unification of Ireland more likely. Is that a moral obligation from the historical favours bestowed on Ireland by the British? Well, answer for yourself. If in doubt, read a bit on the years after 1845.

[@timlinator]

@@mrharry448 GFA requires and open border so the customs border must be the Irish Sea.

[@keithosullivan1674]

Why are English people surprised by good Irish us relations?.

[@hey12542]

I'm English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 and not surprised at all, also not even bothered about this fantasy special relationship that is mentioned between England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 and America 🇺🇲, we all know there isn't one I think most of the English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 population aren't even bothered tbh. Good for Ireland 🇮🇪 and the USA 🇺🇲.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

The UK was a bridge between the USA and Europe, now they've thrown that unique position away and Ireland have taken that role. I think this commentator underestimates Britain's ability to complete trade deals quickly, they just offer the other side everything in return for nothing and this brings about a rapid conclusion.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

@msmissy6888 Maybe you could say why you think it's wrong.

[@timlinator]

Ireland has been the corporate bridge across the Atlantic for 30 years. Just take a walk around Dublin or Cork and look at all the big American companies there especially tech like Apple, Microsoft, Meta, Google, Oracle, etc.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

@@timlinator Ireland's low corporation tax did that but Ireland carried little influence in the EU.

[@dazza4345]

We need to get along 🇺🇸 🇮🇪 🇬🇧 🇪🇺

[@suntzu94]

We all know England is the problem

[@andrewcooney2387]

That is exactly the correct point and is the strongest argument for me, the UK is a democracy, so is Ireland and all nations of the EU and the USA. We have the same issues and problems and we will solve them Together.

[@maxthemagition]

The Irish Question, an issue so old, A puzzle unsolved, a story untold. Centuries of struggle, pain, and strife, Marked by a quest for freedom and life. From oppression to revolution, the path was long, The fight for justice, the people's song. A history of conflict, loss, and grief, The Irish Question, a wound so deep. Partition and violence, a country divided, The search for peace, many have tried it. But the scars remain, the pain endures, The Irish Question, still seeking cures. Amidst the turmoil, the hope prevails, For a future where harmony prevails. A nation united, a people free, The Irish Question, finally put to sleep. Signed GP4

[@miakeogh6844]

So true so poignant thank you

[@williamoshea2243]

Ah I enjoyed reading this 👍. The medium of this sentiment, poetry, is so essentially Irish.... nice one 👏.

[@abstract33]

Why wouldn't they? EU are huge market. This isn't a them or us situation because US can still set up trade with UK 😊

[@timlinator]

Another thing to consider is that Catholics in America generally side with Ireland as well because they also faced discrimination from Anglos and you see a lot of intermarriage like between Irish & Italians, Irish & Mexicans, Polish, etc. As to the EU probably more than half of Americans have ancestry to one or more EU nation including many that qualify for citizenship through decent.

[@ImOk...]

Yep, I’m American and have EU citizenship through decent. I think once these older generations go away (the ones concerned about “national origin”) the US/world relations will be a lot better. I’m so tired of arrogance and pride segregating America-something more common in people born between the 1940s and 70s. Biden was born in 1942.

[@timlinator]

@@ImOk... I’m also a dual actually triple citizen of USA, Ireland and Italy and have lived abroad as well as travelled internationally extensively both business and pleasure. I have friends and family in several countries and just consider myself a global citizen. Most politicians of both parties are dinosaurs. The world will be a better place after they go extinct.

[@ImOk...]

@@timlinator haha, agreed. I too have traveled quite a bit. Born in the late 80s. I actually have USA, British and Greek citizenship. Triple like you. I feel privileged to have a wider, more open view about the world. I never EVER consider myself better than anyone. If anything I’m just more interested in different cultures. I can vibe with anyone. These old schoolers need to go.

[@timlinator]

@@ImOk... yes I love traveling the world and learning about different cultures. The only thing that keeps me in the states is my aging mom. After she leaves this world I’m leaving USA for good.

[@ImOk...]

@@timlinator you and me both buddy!

[@geovanniali6060]

Cead mile failte big Joe. Dia is muire duit cara 🕊️🇮🇪🇺🇲

[@sotlad]

Fán abhaile, Joe.

[@fitzstv8506]

I can see the keyboard warriors scrambling for google translate with that one!.

[@johnmckiernan2176]

* a chara. D -. Must try harder.

[@johnmckiernan2176]

@@sotlad *Slán or Fan, not Fán. I'm beginning to think these commenters might not be fluent in the Irish language, captain.

[@Kaizen917]

Feels like this special relationship that keeps being mentioned is more and more turning out to be alongside the US-Irish axis. Perhaps the British had some basis to lean on in the past but its turning quite fragile.

[@jonoessex]

The special relationship between Britain and the USA does not really exist, most people in Britain know this. There are strong bonds between the USA and Ireland but Ireland is the junior partner in the relationship to put it mildly.

[@sportshatch]

Until the US invades somewhere?

[@peterdoyle1591]

@@jonoessex Not in soft power. The USA is made up of many nationalities and lobbies. After the Jewish community, the Irish community owns both houses of Congress and the Presidency. In military terms, everyone in the West is a junior partner and that is putting it mildly as well. Ireland is now the gateway to the EU and we are open for business.

[@timlinator]

@@jonoessex For millions of Americans saying Ireland is the minor partner is like saying grandma is the minor partner. Technically accurate but no one wants to upset grandma.

[@kieranowner527]

@@jonoessex Ireland is logical and knows a country of our size isn’t going to be a major world leader. Instead we offer an anti-colonial (like US) and anti-war/NATO (unlike the nations on either side of the island) Even the religious divide is dead, with a low of immigration from all over the world to Ireland. Just look who leads the Gardai (police) in Ireland. Ireland is sensible and mostly fair but with a discontent building based on the current (and fixable) two tier economy. Britain can’t even agree on Brexit, where two of their 4 states were pro-EU

[@gedog77]

If there is a trade deal it will be in the interests of 🇺🇸 and they will sign one with the 🇪🇺 but never with us.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

We don't need one. It works well for us as it does, we have a trade surplus. Macron just said Europe shouldn't be to close to America. The Global American Empire is in decline.

[@SlowhandGreg]

@@evolassunglasses4673 since when Biden just pumped 2 trillion into making the US the renewable energy tech leader in the world The EU are flailing with maybe 600 billion and were doing fk all

[@MrDunkycraig]

We just signed the pacific deal that includes the USA

[@adamlee3772]

@@MrDunkycraig if you are referring to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trams-Pacific Partnership, any quick google search you care to do reveals that the USA is not a signatory.

[@johnlongcake3564]

@@evolassunglasses4673 keep on beliving your own bullsquat Im sure you will live in peace with your future poverty

[@RealOGfikey]

I support almost anything that reunifies Ireland and _finally_ ends the UK. We need to end this English imperialist nightmare that has caused nothing but hardship everywhere it's had influence.

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

Certainly. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@timothyswag3594]

We are a band of brothers, and native to the soil... fighting for our liberty with treasure, blood, and toil... Hurrah, Hurrah, for Irish rights hurrah!

[@peterdoyle1591]

💯🍻

[@maggiepie8810]

This was pretty expected, but I think this is the first time that many Brits realise how Brexit has changed how the world is viewing them.

[@benedictcowell6547]

I have the impression that the USA consider Germany is the most reliable ally in Europe

[@thomasbootham2707]

The world doesn’t care that we left the eu the world has moved on the rest of the world just shrugs that we left the eu they couldn’t care less if we stayed or Left

[@hey12542]

I think the English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 also don't care how we're viewed. I know I don't care anymore. Someone is always gonna hate anyway so why worry.

[@dino1798]

Possible solution is for England to cede from the union. Thereby resolving the Scottish independence question and placing the question of union back to the citizens of Northern Ireland. Brexit was really a vote for English nationalism and will only work for them if England is outside the union. A new relationship is required between the nations of these islands.

[@hey12542]

I would love for England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 to be independent, if only they gave us a choice. Unlike Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿, England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 never gets asked.

[@danmayberry1185]

A history of alliance. Roosevelt-Churchill; Reagan-Thatcher; Bush-Blair; Biden-EU.

[@casteretpollux]

Biden - Biden

[@byrnemeister2008]

Well, we turned our back on them after much investment by the UK over a long period supporting US strategy. Obama was clear on the implications. The outcome of ignoring him was clear.

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Clinton - Kohl in the 1990s

[@moon_knight8578]

all countries act in their own self interest, that the US now gets more return from a good relationship with the EU is down to the UK's own stupidity.

[@xXevilsmilesXx]

One of these things is not like the other 😅

[@josephmanning1438]

The economic and political reality of the US siding with Europe/Ireland on this issue is self evident. However, most people over in Europe don’t seem to understand the secondary issue which affords Ireland the support of the Americans and that is the notion that the average citizen of the US views themselves as underdogs and thus identify with Ireland which they view as possibly the quintessential underdog. As such, The Americans might have a grudging respect for the UK but in the end, they feel a kinship with the Irish, their perceived fellow “underdogs”

[@eltinmccarthy2469]

And the fact the the UK is more similar to a middle eastern country in the rain. You destroyed your own culture and you cant even see it.

[@Jcolbert123]

I like your comment but I don't agree with your premise. Irish America is the second largest ethnic group in the US. Most presidents of the US have an Irish root (even if that root is very obscure). Ireland has a special bond with the native Americans especially those of the Choctaw tribe. The ST Patrick's day parade tradition was invented in the US. The US and Ireland aren't friends... we're family.

[@bernardpearce3478]

An estimated one million people died of starvation & disease during what Britain labeled a potato famine. Two million escaped to the USA on 5000 ships, a large amount labeled coffin ships, go figure. If there is one thing your average American is interested in , it's their heritage. The descendants of two million people since the 1840s, is a lot of people. Most know by now, that enough food was exported out of Ireland by the British to feed the country twice over, it was preventable, but hey, the free market was more important. Joe Biden's family had to take that trip. Underdog? Not as simple as that friend, people forgave, but will never forget. I had a aunt that passed in the 70s at the age of 101. Her reasoning was, ' God brought the Blight, but the English brought the Famine.

[@joshbentley2307]

@@Jcolbert123 44/46 US presidents have British ancestry (including Biden). You can make the exact same statement with Brits and Americans.

[@Jcolbert123]

@Josh Bentley🇺🇦 Yeah.... that's not true. The largest ethnic group in the US is German, followed by Irish. I don't dispute your claim that many do have British ancestry. Though that claim takes nothing away from my original comment. Britain and the US has a "special relationship" whereas Ireland and the US are family.

[@Drummo-ef6kx]

What the British will never understand is that Britain might have a special relationship, but the Irish and Americans are family!

[@GG-kf8ox]

The Irish Americans have fought in the USA military every single time they were asked ! In fact 60% of all medals of honor given out by usa military have -been given to Irish Americans !

[@gh8447]

And let's not forget Americans funded Irish terrorism.

[@Boghopper9999]

@@gh8447 Lets not forget all of British colonialism; wonder if you have ever even heard of the Jallianwala Bagh massacre where the British in one day killed between 400 to 1000 people unarmed people and injured about another 1500. Hard to find a British colony where there was not a massacre at some point.

[@Drummo-ef6kx]

@@gh8447 one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter!

[@jamiesanchez8063]

Yes we have CANZUK, thanks. The US family is more German/African/Mexican than British or Irish.

[@viveviveka2651]

Biden seems to self-identify as Irish.

[@userillusion86]

That’s because he’s Irish American

[@evolassunglasses4673]

@@userillusion86 and strong Zionist shill.

[@johnbrereton5229]

​@@userillusion86 No he is not, he is of direct English descent.

[@amelio5720]

Typical American, 3.1% Irish heritage, I'm Irish now.

[@KillerCombow]

@@amelio5720 10 of his great great grandparents were irish

[@andunabu3238]

06:39 Onto Ireland… I am Irish, I have an Irish passport and I live in the North of Ireland. Suggest you look at an atlas… Colonial mindset is hard to shake off I suppose.

[@gary637]

You live in Donegal then? Not Northern Ireland.

[@celticlofts]

Everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong for the British regarding Brexit. The British thought the EU would do what Britain had historically done when it came to its dealings with Ireland - they would simply ignore them. The British thought that the EU would do the same by brushing aside Ireland's concerns over the Good Friday Agreement in favor of a trade deal with the UK, but that didn't happen. I believe it was at that point that Britain realized that the Irish were no longer the weaker side when it came to its negotiations with the UK, Ireland now had the entire EU on it's side of the table and that there would be no Withdrawal Agreement signed unless the Irish were satisfied that there would be no hard border on the Island of Ireland. The Irish position was supported by the EU. Furthermore the United States made it known that they would not begin talks with the UK on a trade deal if the Good Friday Agreement was not honored by the British in its entirety. That realization must have been a very bitter pill for the British to swallow. Suddenly Ireland had more influence in the EU than Britain had, and they also had the support of a pro-Irish United States. In an effort to try and counter that reality, the British then set about trying to bypass the EU negotiators by lobbying individual EU states into supporting the UK - This attempt to divide and rule didn't work either. The EU was going to act as a single entity as far as Brexit was concerned. All the talk of having the EU over a barrel, and the "They need us more than we need them" nonsense was exposed as the negotiations moved on. Even Boris Johnson's threat to leave the EU without a trade deal fell flat on its face when Johnson signed the Withdrawal Agreement at the last minute - his bluff having been called by the EU. Of course Johnson decided he'd ignore the Northern Ireland protocol part of the agreement by hilariously claiming he hadn't read the text of the Agreement and would never have signed it if he had - which of course was a lie and a weak attempt meant to appease the Unionist DUP who claimed he had stabbed them in the back. Brexit has been a nightmare with no end in sight. It has severely limited its citizens rights to work, live and retire in the EU and it has damaged the country's standing in the world because it is no longer trusted to uphold its international agreements. Businesses have abandoned the UK and prices for everyday goods have increased to the point where it's causing severe problems for people on limited incomes. The financial sector is abandoning London in favor of Dublin and Frankfurt taking their taxable income with them. All is not lost though but it will take political stability and a change of direction if the UK is to weather this storm.

[@JohnSmith-bx8zb]

It’s a fact that little englanders can’t get their head round. Simply since the uk left the EU the American access to the EU no longer via the uk

[@dpg957]

half those little englanders are now checking if they ahve an irish granny to try and get an irish passport

[@JohnSmith-bx8zb]

@@Jw._02 but right they are checking

[@edwardbell1815]

@@Jw._02 not really james old boy just facts as irish passports to english have gone through the roof the last few years and i know brexiteers who now have an irish passport

[@maxthemagition]

Brexit, oh Brexit, what have you done? You've split a nation, and the damage has begun. A decision made, with no thought of the cost, Now the future seems uncertain, and the line has been crossed. The world looks on, in disbelief and shame, As Britain turns its back, on the European game. Trade deals are lost, and relationships strained, The freedom we sought, has left us in pain. The promise of a brighter future, now seems so far away, The reality of the situation, dawns on us each day. The economy suffers, as businesses move away, Jobs are lost, and prices rise, in a price we must pay. Brexit, oh Brexit, what have you achieved? The answer is simple, and hard to believe. A nation divided, and a future unclear, Brexit, oh Brexit, what did we hold so dear? This was written by GP4 chat using one word...Brexit.!

[@CB-fz3li]

A good example of one of the key precautions of using AI in that it will incorporate the biases of the data it is trained on. Amazing tool though.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Yeah ...I sort of guessed it wasn't W B Yeats.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

" Jobs are lost "...??? er...there's actually a shortage of labour. ! Also,inflation is identical to most EU members !! Not a good ad for GP 4 but typical Remainer drivel .

[@sunrayisdown1690]

There will be no peace in Northern Ireland until the English realise that Ulster does not belong to England. The Troubles were started in 1968 by the Unionists inc the RUC, backed the British government. These were the terrorists. How many died and how many Catholic homes fire bombed? All because English wanted to retain Ulster/Six Counties. Reminds me of an early Putin movie. As for Scotland, the same goes. Scotland is not a colony of England. It is a supposed equal partner in a son called voluntary union but is not allowed to leave. That sounds like the End of Empire again....with the same violent ending.

[@dna9838]

5 eyes, NATO and European security, UN security council ally, most recently the new AUKUS.. Think there's still a fairly strong relationship there.. Even if economic influence with EU has gone.

[@dna9838]

@@johnmckiernan2176 aerospace and marine manufacturing for starters... You have an axe to grind? There's an increasingly desperate need for all democratic countries to build each other up these days, not put anyone down...

[@suntzu94]

Your just grasping for straws lad, the UK especially England will always be the lapdog of the US military, most US military forces consider the British peasants to be cannon fodder

[@jHendrickson]

The government has really made things more difficult for its citizens and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance. it's obvious we are headed for hyperinflation,it is always the poor who take the hit.

[@jHendrickson]

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[@danielhenderson8328]

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[@jHendrickson]

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[@jHendrickson]

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[@ajc5479]

Oh look, the scam comment section.

[@jungleboi6544]

It’s reality check for the uk

[@paddymallory4080]

It’s time the U.K. ended this one sided ‘special relationship’ with America.

[@suntzu94]

Good bye British peasant, you and your German monarchs won’t be missed

[@nelsonsibiya9204]

And who is the UK gonna turn to ?????, Nobody wants the UK anymore, it is failing in all matrics.

[@maggotman2024]

So much for a bilateral trade deal!

[@Dextrovix-42]

Obama said we'd be at the back of the queue and that America does deals with blocks, and so it has been shown. UK was in the EU block, now we're not and therefore nobody should be shocked that we're in this state.

[@rainblaze.]

It was never going to happen. What, the US was going to give the UK, whose economy is roughly about the size of california and arizonia combined... if that. That the were going to give the uk access to one of the largest economies in the world, was just another of the johnson myths that his usefull idiots and English exceptulists bought. The only thing the US was interested in as far as the uk went was its health service and the people will never allow that to be compromised

[@TheWaveGoodbye-Music]

​@@russellr6089 why comment😂😂

[@Lewdog.]

@@Dextrovix-42 Why on earth should we care about Obama and his regime? Mafia style warmongers the lot of them.

[@shanemolloy4731]

Is this news to you ? We tried to tell you. Now for the DUP you lose all this .

[@OptimisticHominid]

Biden’s unspoken message: Know your place Brexit Britain

[@eddiel7635]

It’s irrelevant, you can’t have this trade agreement that isn’t on the table anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@OptimisticHominid]

@@eddiel7635 for clarity, the message is: Brexit Britain, you’re just not as important as you once were.

[@matthewrice3432]

​@@eddiel7635 ... I'm probably misquoting, but who recently said 'For the US, Britain was once the doorway into the EU. Now it's just a little island in the Atlantic'...? We're not of economic interest to the USA any longer. Another splendid benefit of Brexit, i suppose......

[@eddiel7635]

@@matthewrice3432 that’s not true though is it. We are still a UN Security Council member and a nuclear power. They export more to us than any other European country. We have soft power across the world through the commonwealth. Biden just found out we are his most reliable political partner in Europe and NATO, plus the US is strategically aligned with the UK in the pacific through Aukus and potentially the CTPTT trade agreement. Ohh and we are part of the five eyes intelligence sharing network. Biden and some democrats might not like Brexit ideologically but the political reality of how valuable the relationship with the UK is another thing.

[@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb]

​@Eddie L Wrong. The USA exports more to the EU than the uk and the uk is not a partner. Its a US vassal state now And stop embarrassing yourself with the ctptt. Its worth 0.8% to the British economy over 15 years

[@Hession0Drasha]

And with germany, and with poland, about equally likely with italy or the uk.

[@97henrik041]

I do not think anyone in Ireland thinks we have a "special relationship" with the USA. A strong relationship exists based on historical ties where the interests of both parties can be promoted and this is expressed politically, diplomatically and economically but it is not a "special relationship" of elevation to which other groups cannot aspire. It is a good relationship which works well because both parties understand exactly the nature of it.

[@jasonquigley2633]

I disagree. Ireland has three important relationships: The EU, the UK and the USA. Of the UK and EU, relations are largely based on pragmatism, give and take. Most EU citizens know hardly anything about Ireland, the UK has a complicated relationship with Ireland (we're close neighbours, but most Brits are ignorant of the country and many still think of Ireland in an imperious manner. Likewise many Irish have an instinctive hatred for Britain). The American relationship is almost entirely based on goodwill. Large numbers of Americans are intimately familiar with Ireland, it's geography, culture, music and literature. Most Americans aspire to go on vacation to Ireland (the same cannot be said for Germans), and America is still probably the largest source of tourism to Ireland. American companies choose to locate in Ireland, not simply for tax reasons, but also because of the ethnic bonds of many in American business and politics to Ireland. Ireland isn't the only country that offers favourable treatment to American multinationals, but American multinationals choose us. For most of the 20th century, we were a poor backwater of a country, but America always had our back. Our relationship with America is what gives us influence in the EU, especially compared to other small countries like the baltics or Benelux. It also has historically enabled us to stand up to the UK, and prevented the UK from strong arming us, as they did in prior centuries.

[@97henrik041]

@@jasonquigley2633 I agree with you. I was referring solely to the Irish relationship with the USA without reference to other important relationships Ireland has. Clearly, the relationship with the EU is critical for Ireland, especially in economic terms and the relationship with Britain is unavoidable and is, for historical reasons, complicated and requires careful management.

[@jasonquigley2633]

@@97henrik041 Yes. But it was my contention that of the 3, our relationship with the USA is strongest. Hence we do have a "special relationship" with the USA. Many Irish don't like to acknowledge it (especially back during the Iraq war) but in Ireland we really like the USA. You can get hamburgers and fries in any town, any pub. We watch American TV, listen to American music. And the USA remains the destination of choice for tourism or immigration(if they can get a visa). Likewise, Americans still love Ireland, Irish culture can be found in every state and major city in the USA. No other country of our size has that kind of heft in the American imagination. I think a lot of people in Ireland take this for granted. If you visit most any other country on Earth, be it China, Russia, France or Germany Ireland is some obscure corner of the world. They're not even sure if we speak English. But almost every American knows about us. That's why we still have a special relationship with the USA. Germany and France would throw us under the bus, despite our being part of the EU. But America, because of our long and deep ties, would not. Every St. Patrick's day, our taoiseach goes to Washington DC. He doesn't go to London, Brussels, Paris, Berlin, Tokyo or Beijing. I think that says something.

[@fintonmainz7845]

This person in ireland disagrees with you proving you wrong.

[@97henrik041]

@@fintonmainz7845 You can disagree with me all you like but you are not proving me wrong.

[@G_C340]

Nice to hear the Unicorn meme understood in conventional academic circles.

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

Prancing on the sunlight meadowed uphills.

[@binarymalehim]

Obama said we will go to the back of the queue and he meant it.

[@ItsAVolcano]

Another key aspect the UK neglected is that Ireland itself is in a far stronger economic position nowadays. Even after their bubble burst the country was left with a far more developed telecommunications infrastructure, meaning among other things they can provide a viable alternative as the English-speaking US connection to the EU.

[@paulmathews7021]

That’s a really good interview, this guy said some things about the US British relationship and how it’s changed. Especially the Americans seeing Ireland as a bridge to the EU.

[@haroonsuresh2326]

3:05 I can't believe she said that 😮😮😮

[@garywilson6047]

I’d still rather be free of the EU. I don’t care about what the US want or don’t want. As for Ireland they are welcome to it.

[@dpg957]

another ill educated lemming

[@genghisthegreat2034]

You are free of the EU, for 3 years now.

[@suntzu94]

I agree as an American I careless what English peasants think. The USA has the biggest guns so the kings peasants can sit back and watch in awe

[@moon_knight8578]

point on the doll where the nasty EU touched you

[@dpg957]

@@genghisthegreat2034 im irish you eejit

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

UK isn’t special. LOL

[@Troub1e]

America isn't either.

[@XxAzureNekoxX]

@@Troub1e its more powerful than Britain in every way so I’d say it is.

[@Troub1e]

@@XxAzureNekoxX Lucky we are both NATO members then, they can come to our aid which is sweet of them!

[@XxAzureNekoxX]

@@Troub1e NATO is mostly America but sure.

[@Troub1e]

@@XxAzureNekoxX They like to spend the most, that is their problem, guess that's where all that so called power comes from, but again they can't use it against its allies.

[@andymcghee9336]

There has never been a special relationship.....the US does what it wants.....end of.

[@joecater894]

Ultimately, sure.. the eu is a potentially more productive relationship in terms of GDP as its larger.. HOWEVER, it is not one country and it is not always as pro US as UK has been for a long time.. meaning... the eu are less likely than the UK to follow or back America under as many circumstances as the UK. The UK as a perm member of security council.. a nuclear power.. a major nato member and a top tier intel and military partner.. thats a bad apple cart to upset in the long term.. Reagan understood it..

[@seandoherty925]

Just so long as you know who is in the driving seat in the relationship. Tbf the UK has pretty much shown it does know since Suez. Just don't get too carried away in your little Brexit psychodrama and forget it.

[@joecater894]

@Tess Gess simply not the case.. UK is still a top tier country with a GDP of around 3 trillion USD (roughly same as whole of India for example). There may be some stormy waters.. but the UK is still a global power.. and it has a lot of very influential and powerful connections. Its also vital ally in the pacific region and has recently joined pacific partnership as a pretty big hitter in that arrangement. Still has a lot of soft power.

[@joemulhall5202]

Realpolitik.....what other option does the UK have other than supporting the US globally? The UK is not going to develop a close relationship with another significant geopolitical block to replace the US and to a lessor extent the EU. Nato membership depends on a close relationship with both these blocks. If the Republicans retake the White House the relationship may get slightly easier for a UK government, though as during the (first?)Trump presidency, the Irish-American influence on both houses of Congress across both major parties, will always mean the UK need to tread very carefully when it comes to Northern Ireland/ Ireland. Not only because of the huge amount of Americans claiming Irish ancestry (that has been the case since at least the 1950's and certainlywas in the Reagan presidency), but now since 1990 the huge amount of US direct investment in Ireland. American corporations like Intel, Dell, Pfizer, Statestreet, Boston Scientific, Abbot, Johnson and Johnson, Apple and many more who have invested billions in major research and development, manufacturing and administrative sites to support their European businesses and will want US government policy to support their business interests. It is this US investment factor, plus tacit Irish logistical support to the US war effort after 9/11 that has changed the US relationship with Ireland since the days of Ronald Reagan. Going on its own to spite the US is unlikely to be a successful long term solution for the UK. The days of the UK ploughing its own furrow internationally are gone, with the UK policy on the Vietnam war in the 1960's probably the last example of a genuinely divergent UK foreign policy from the US that was of genuine significance. Can't see the UK pivoting towards the China/Russia sphere. It's the US and to a lessor extent the EU in the Western hemisphere unless the UK government is to turn its back on Western Democracy and become some sort of Chinese backed Cuba like entity on the edge of Western Europe !

[@joecater894]

@@seandoherty925 Suez has little to do with anything.. US on the other hand alone is a declining power and will need loyal allies going forwards.. the more the better.

[@maartenaalsmeer]

@@joecater894 The UK was of interest to the US.....*when the UK was still a part of the EU* .Now, not so much. Third country, in decline, less and less influence. Pacific partnership bringing the UK a 0.08% GDP growth over 10 years. Big hitter indeed.

[@pgr3290]

U.S influence is rapidly receding worldwide including Europe, and it can't do much useful today in Ireland even if it wanted to. Biden's administration was well known to be very pro Irish and anti British but Biden looks weak when you see how poor his relationships are with traditional American post war allies such as Saudi Arabia and the UK. That's on the USA, not because of the UK's democratic decisions. Much of the United Kingdom has been disillusioned with the USA since going to war with the USA over Iraq on the basis quite frankly of the Labour government trying to please the USA and keep best relations. Those days are OVER. It is no longer considered acceptable or politically savvy to go out on a limb for the whims of the White House. The relationship has been fundamentally weakened since then and we saw that landmark in 2013 when Cameron was defeated on the Syrian military intervention vote. The USA likes to think it doesn't need strong allies but the truth is if Cameron had won the Syria vote Obama would have gotten the USA more invested in Syria and intervened. It was genuinely that defeat according to Obama staffers that caused the USA to hesitate seeing it had weak support in London. So it won't be the UK going more than halfway in trying to restore this relationship, there will need to be a mutual meet in the middle. I am quite sure in time the understanding will improve, but it'll be when Biden is long gone.

[@jimmy7494]

Totally agree

[@MrPatrickgaffey]

It will continue long after biden is gone. America doesn't give to craps about other countries until it needs them.

[@Ribod]

Brexit.....you couldn't make it up!

[@joeduffy3309]

the US will always side with Ireland, and has done since the famine (Ironically), it really sticks in the craw of the brits

[@jimmyg5102]

This isnt true is it

[@joeduffy3309]

@@jimmyg5102 Maybe take a look at most of the surnames on the Hill, or past/present residents of the whitehouse. Pretty prominent from a small island of 5 million people

[@owenbowler8616]

Brexit has inflicted a lot of damage on the UK

[@waltershearls]

The UK had years to get different agreements and protocols together. Brexit wasn't a bad idea, but the lack of foresight and planning is shocking as an American to watch. Generally speaking, it feels like the UK expected other countries to wait while they finally got their chit together. The Biden administration is rapidly re-shoring core industries and establishing trade agreements with multiple countries outside of China's influence. First countries to get in will get primo deals, access to our consumers, and technology transfers. Sleep Joe is more of nationalist than Trump. He just goes about his business without the rhetoric about American first BS. Biden is quite the sneaky politician.

[@mwd331]

Brexit was an incredibly bad idea…

[@stiofain88]

You know the EU was essentially your idea in the first place? It was so you'd wouldn't have to keep sending thousands of your lads to die and millions of your dollars to rebuild Europe every couple of decades.

[@Telluwide]

Let's face it, the US-EU relationship is much more valuable and volatile, than its relationship with the UK. The UK must accept and take whatever deal they get with the US....The UK does have and will have an even closer relationship with the US, but make no mistake, the US is the Senior member in this relationship and the UK must toe the line with whatever the US says.... Brexit was not only a huge joke for the UK, but a nice win for the US from prying the UK away from the EU. Either way, the UK in the EU where the US had undue influence within that organization, or outside the EU where the UK is fast becoming nothing more than a US vassal with a nicely integrated Navy and military that still surprisingly punches above its weight....You might as well start flying the stars and stripes over Westminster...lol...

[@captainbuggernut9565]

Until the wind blows in a different direction. Which it will.

[@xavierfelix2567]

Lots of words,,,,negligible useful information

[@pleiadesneptunes]

what good is a totally cut-off and no-influence Britain to the US?

[@ChuckAmadi]

In that case them UK won't back USA as we've done on every occasion. F!@$ em

[@gloin10]

@Chuck Amadi "In that case them UK won't back USA as we've done on every occasion"? But the UK has NOT backed the USA "...on every occasion." Vietnam is the most blindingly obvious example.

[@matricci2256]

The only value Britain had to the USA was their strong voice in the EU, now that Britain is out of the EU there's no real value in that relationship

[@guyhmajor]

Biden’s love of Ireland is founded in the Irish diaspora vote in the US. The US consistently funded the IRA as they committed atrocities in Ireland and the United Kingdom with many moronic Protestant Irish Americans donating to the cause as they failed to comprehend the sectarian origins of the conflict. I totally agree that the special relationship between the U.K. and the US does not exist and I doubt it ever did. We have a common language with the US and very little else and would be much better off advancing our relationships with are European neighbours that we are culturally much more attuned with if not linguistically. America is a deeply fractured country which cannot be reconciled and is unlikely to exist in its current form as they no longer seem to believe in open honest dialogue in their own domestic affairs. The rise of Donald Trump and the polarisation between the two main political parties is a symptom of their terminal cancer which is founded on economic inequality and racism.

[@stiofain88]

Noticing you failed to mention the UK funded the UVF. Ye have no issue with terrorism and atrocities as long as they're your atrocities.

[@mrharry448]

​@@stiofain88 How did the UK fund the UVF?

[@dannyboy5517]

@@mrharry448 Still does

[@Belshay]

Good points! And thank goodness no deep fractures, polarisation, economic inequality, or racism has emerged in the UK. Otherwise we''d have to deal with independence parties, anti-Semitic MPs, economic disparity between London and the rest, and anything less than the warm loving charitable embrace of brown immigrants England is famous for. Even so I honestly do agree with most of your points. But I would just offer that the US went through historical phases very much like this in the Gilded Age, particularly the 1890s, and the antebellum 1850s. What makes is so striking is that it seems an aberration in the postwar era (since it is) though in many ways the US is cycling through older roots in American political, social, and cultural history. The US and UK are politically divided based on education and age more starkly than any time in the postwar era. And I do think the consequences of that are unpleasant to watch in both cases.

[@captainbadger1013]

@@Belshay I hate the sarcasm about brown immigrants in UK. This country has been incredibly accommodating and open to immigrants. You should travel to Italy or Spain and see how well brown immigrants have integrated into society there. People have been accomodating even when the demographic, social and economic situation in their community changed in a short space of time. As much as I hate your sarcastic comment about brown immigrants, I also can't stand the phrase "diversity is our strength". As if Japanese society isn't as strong as ours because it isn't diverse. I know you didn't say the btw. The truth is that not all of the world lives like the West. There are countries that aren't that different to Tudor England where people marry their cousins, there's forced marriage, honour killings, public execution, anti gay laws and women are classed as second class citizens. I know teachers in Birmingham who tell me 13-14 year old girls go missing. They suspect they've been married off to older men in Pakistan but can't do anything about it. This delution that as soon as someone clears the UK immigration gate they are going to have the same moral principles as the West is absurd. Don't turn your nose up at people who have genuine concerns at the social state of their community because of mass immigration in a short period of time.

[@Irish780]

Ireland Is Americanised now ...... multinationals everywhere

[@joeduffy3309]

jealous?

[@Irish780]

@@joeduffy3309 no im irish just in a situation because of them we have no houses

[@joeduffy3309]

@@Irish780 find me a developing country that has an abundance of them,

[@Irish780]

@@joeduffy3309 I was born in Dublin raised in wicklow my name is Cullen just a hint for you press on they person's profile before u make a accusation... it saves your embarrassing situations and they rest off us time. If u actually looked you would have seen I was a irish soldier ... got extras for foreign deployment I'm over 50 now .. my country and is not irish look at dublin FFS

[@pwell742]

Why would anyone side with the clown show in Westminster

[@patrickpierce8311]

I hope so! Ireland doesn't even know or care I exist! But Most of My Blood is Irish! An Ireland should be able to decide what Ireland does!

[@valerieh84]

Hi 👋 This is not an issue for Ireland (the ROI) so much as an issue of life and death for Northern Ireland _ literally, if violence erupts again, lives are at risk. The people of Northern Ireland, and only them, are in charge of their destiny through the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement. Biden is renewing support for the peace treaty that the US were very instrumental in bringing together 25 years ago. In doing so, he is showing support for approx. 75% of the electorate of Northern Ireland (according to latest polls) who support parties who still support the GFA.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Ireland is occupied by international finance capitalism and will soon look like New York.

[@stiofain88]

What's the craic lad?👋☘️

[@anthonyferris8912]

There was a hilarious KZbin video of Mr Scott Lucas boiling with fury over the Brexit vote, before he upped-sticks from the UK and moved to Dublin………He’s hardly a dispassionate commentator.

[@stiofain88]

The Times is hardly a dispassionate outlet. Weird they asked on the opposing view in this instance though

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

Whatever. Let's see what happens.

[@helenaville5939]

@ Anthony Ferris. Doesn't that mean he is consistent and walks the walk and not just talks the talk. Good for him for standing by his principles.

[@jamesprice4647]

I am furious about the Brexit vote. So are most right-minded people. Intelligence tends to cause 'bias'.

[@stephenconway2468]

Yep. So you attack the messenger because you cannot attack the message. No surprise there...

[@Xir_F]

god i keep questioning myself, why do i watch this if i just end up zoning out for the whole video

[@maxthemagition]

In the land of rolling hills and verdant fields, Where the sea kisses the shore and the mist yields, There lies a question, ever-persistent and keen, The Irish Question, long-winded and unseen. For centuries we’ve grappled with its weight, A knot too tangled to untangle, too great, A complex web of politics and strife, That’s haunted our land and claimed many a life. Oh, how the past has left its mark, The wounds still fresh, the scars still stark, The pain of loss, the ache of memory, All woven in our Irish tapestry. And yet, despite the shadows of the past, We look to the future, we hold steadfast, With hope and courage, we strive for peace, A dream that seems so out of reach. But still, we press on, we persevere, Our hearts and minds forever clear, For in the end, the Irish Question, Is but a challenge to our humanity’s expression. So let us not be daunted by the task, For we are strong, we are up to the ask, And with each step forward, we pave the way, For a brighter, more hopeful, Irish day. GP4 chat produced this in less than 20 seconds when this waqs asked of it.... "Write a poem about "the irish question" in the style of Seamus Heaney" A bit basic but still amazing....

[@joepaluka9031]

Yes we know that! We knew that all along.

[@Irish780]

Usa offered investment to northern Ireland dup said no we British 😅😅😅😅

[@michaelmcardle]

What you need to understand is this - the protocol is NOT the reason the dup left stormont. They refuse to play second to sinn feinn.

[@badluck5647]

Brexit, the gift that keeps giving 🙄

[@aredub1847]

if the uk wants a good deal with the us, it can apply to become a few states.

[@hopeforbetter382]

So much pain in this world and the Good Friiday is still in question!

[@imastaycool]

Britain and even the UK as a whole is disunited politically, socially, culturally and linguistically. The poor political choices and decisions of Brexit have made the lack of unity ever clearer for the entire world to see. It's not just disunited, it's also completely imbalanced. Politically, it has devolved governments, but most of the power lies in Tory Westminster which has the UK at political loggerheads. These devolved governments squabble and fight amongst each other which details the disunity. Brexit was divisive and it shows how disunited the UK is with the occupied region called "Northern Ireland" and the country of Scotland voting No to Brexit. The UK is literally split down the middle in the Brexit debacle which makes it politically disunited. Furthermore, the UK isn't a voluntary union because Scotland is actively being denied another independence referendum post Brexit - this, again, makes it a disunited partnership + an imbalanced and undemocratic one. Welsh and Scottish independence is growing while talks of Irish reunification are on everyone's lips - this, again, demonstrates a disunited and imbalanced union. Socially, culturally and linguistically it is also divided and disunited as the different parts have their own culture and language + Britain has become increasingly "British Asian". Brexit itself limits multiculturalism and encourages exclusive nationalism and nativism which in effect breeds racism and xenophobia (the very core of Brexit and Brexiteers). Try convincing yourself that Grim Britain is united, but it's DISUNITED and IMBALANCED as well as UNDEMOCRATIC and UNJUST. And it's actively breaking up which is the ultimate win 😅

[@RKatout]

Obama told y’all

[@noodlyappendage6729]

All this bloke is doing is spouting his opinion as an activist. Times Radio listeners aren’t learning anything from this interview!

[@deannilvalli6579]

They are learning the true position of the UK post-Brexit. Seems a useful and important thing to be aware of.

[@helenaville5939]

Yes, let's cancel him because his delivery does not fit with our opinion of things. Cancel him I say!!

[@thedakotasuk]

As an Irish person I can tell you that you are "spouting" nonsense yourself Mr Noodly...

[@jimthompson9370]

@@thedakotasuk - and as an Englishman I can say the same about you.

[@noodlyappendage6729]

@@deannilvalli6579 But this has nothing to do with the position of the UK post Brexit.

[@casteretpollux]

Please note that Varadker's party has only 14% voter support and the Irish public solidly support maintaining neutrality. If the US wants to step in and coerce Ireland as a replacement for the British, they should expect at least 800 years of resistance.

[@davidwilliams3397]

I think the ireland is the Uk replacment for direct contact vis-a-viz EU. It used to be UK hence the strategic alliance & special relationship. Firstly I think UK diminished capability militarily has mean that basically most everything of note is dominated by the US and thus the relationship is but a figleaf in that score & leaving the EU means that UK is as much use as a chocolate teapot in influencing the EU. We have gone from being powerful allies to not sure wehat to do with them in about 5 years. Plus as every country has a set of unique struggles the UK has decided to remove items out of the toolbox to deal with them by imposing trade sanctions on itself So I don't see Ireland's neutrality being an issue. This is more about how the US finds common purpose and a sympathetic ear now the UK are not in the EU.

[@jameshenry6855]

Why are you talking about neutrality? Nobody wants to change Irish neutrality? Lol we don't have an army to do anything except basic peacekeeping so why are you bringing this up? Your point is null and void.

[@fintonmainz7845]

Gibberish. The 3 main parties got an almost equal share of the vote at the last election.

[@gloin10]

"Please note that Varadker's party has only 14% voter support..."? Fine Gael(FG) is currently polling on 15%, down by several points. Fianna Fáil(FF) is on 21%. To be fair, those two parties have been bobbing up and down quite a lot in the polls over the last year or so. "...the Irish public solidly support maintaining neutrality"? No, they do not. First, you CANNOT maintain what you never had. Ireland has NEVER met the requirements for a neutral state in international law. Second, Ireland has NEVER been willing to spent the money required to be an actual neutral state. For the first twenty five or thirty years of the state's existence, the terms of the Anglo-Irish Treaty made the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force responsible for the external defence of Ireland. After the end of the Second World War, any attempt by Ireland to be properly neutral like Switzerland would have resulted in hysterical fits from the Northern Ireland(NI) Unionists, followed about twenty seconds later by diplomatic notes from Westminster.... Third, recent polling shows a slim majority in favour of increasing our involvement "If the US wants to step in and coerce Ireland as a replacement for the British..."? Straw man argument. No-one in the US government is suggesting that. They know it would never get through Congress. They also know that it would be opposed by Ireland and the EU, as well as a large part of the US corporate sector.

[@casteretpollux]

@@fintonmainz7845 Rude. And ill-informed. Check this week's poll result.

[@ds9635]

Not after Macron's comments this weekend. Time for Biden to wake-up or face their own consequences in Asia.

[@casteretpollux]

Time for Europe including Britain to wake up to the fact that the US gov is waging economic war on them through sanctions, subsidies and blowing up Nordstream.

[@cyrneco]

UK is the US underling, the US knows that. The EU is a US subordinate ally. There is a difference in status. And what are the 'consequences' in Asia you are talking about?

[@Sharktopus86]

Duh

[@TheTrainMan570]

Northern Ireland needs to leave the British and rejoin a United Ireland. And Scotland needs to be independent

[@mrharry448]

California and Texas need to return to Mexico. Israel needs to return to the Arabs. There is no immutable logic to occupation by a foreign power. Ireland has been colonised by the British for 800 years. California colonised by the Euro-Americans for 150

[@imastaycool]

"Northern Ireland" is NOT classed as a country. It's a PART of a province in Ireland of which SIX counties are occupied. It's a manufactured failed statelet. It only exists through invasion, colonisation and partitioning of Ireland. It wasn't designed to last forever. Unionism is over.

[@shanemolloy4731]

Merica fk yeah 🇮🇪🫡

[@MrPatch25]

Biden, errrr what's Ireland where am i

[@QwadLuzr]

"Listen Jack, I was there with Martin on Bloody Sunday, it was a Wednesday, I remember it well. I learned most of what I know growing up with the Provo's, I love Italy man!"

[@raymonddixon7603]

......and is England still beside Ireland, I heard they moved.

[@casteretpollux]

@@raymonddixon7603 hmm noting the UK is still beside the EU including Ireland.

[@frakismaximus3052]

Lol!

[@jimthompson9370]

How’s your conscience? You’ll break when you’re older.

[@seandoherty925]

The alternative was worse remember. (COVID) can be killed with bleach. The Venezuelan/Chinese Dominion voting machines just flipped the votes in the middle of the night. Maybe we could just Nuke those hurricanes when they're out at sea... Unlike your's mine aren't made up...

[@NorthernSoulIsMyWorld]

I hate everything Brexit with a vengeance but doesn't any American consider, for one moment, how we are suffering the consequences of something we were/are 100% against,, do we all have to be tarred with the same brush, do we all have to pay the ultimate price because American presidents have Irish ancestors--it always comes down to tribalism! We want was is best for the Irish people, why does it seem like everyone wants the worst for us!

[@CB-fz3li]

Biden is a tiresome throwback to the last century with his Irish tribalism. The US is moving on demographically and to be fair the Irish are moving on as well in their relationships with the US and the UK.

[@stiofain88]

We can sympathize with you but while you are run by vicious troglodytes we have to treat you as such.

[@stiofain88]

​@@CB-fz3li Ireland hasn't any time for you anymore, you're not worth speaking to as most of what comes out of your mouth is lies.😊

[@imastaycool]

As an Irishman, Brexit has stirred up old and existing wounds. Partitioning of Ireland is an existing wound. The Irish have many allies which is needed against a bullying neighbour. No, we don't blame the average everyday Brit, but your governments keep using Ireland as a political football.

[@withcoffey]

We Irish are very grateful for American backing and wish the best for Americans, trust me.

[@paulmcgrath3248]

Always found English people more open and honest as a southern er my 2 cent s

[@helenaville5939]

No you didn't and no you're not.

[@gloin10]

As an Irish man, no-one I know would ever refer to themselves "...as a southern er..." If you are Irish, I am the Queen of Finland on alternative Tuesdays...

[@paulmcgrath3248]

@@gloin10 didn't affect me

[@paulmcgrath3248]

@@gloin10 come on now the coronation is foremost in michael unblinking caine s eyes

[@imastaycool]

​@@paulmcgrath3248 you're not Irish.

[@matthewjebb9719]

I thought this seemed a suspiciously one-sided interview until I realised he was a professor at the Clinton institute in Dublin, then it made more sense.

[@John316OBrian-cm4fj]

Brits hate to hear the truth ,they prefer the likes of Boris to fill them with lies

[@casteretpollux]

Ah cia. Sadly the US is moving in on Ireland.

[@Zappy9518]

😅😅😅😢

[@Troub1e]

It was like asking an American to give up guns upon the bodies of dead children... no chance.

[@paleo9931]

Why do you talk to this guy, he is pro EU and against Brexit. As for USA siding with the EU instead of the UK is a big mistake, considering EU love China and Macron just yesterday saying that the USA must be stopped. I don't believe this guy and you should never invite him to interview

[@suntzu94]

Once Macron is gone the EU and US will still be better off than the UK

[@andrewgamble5332]

I wouldn't want a special relationship with Veradker.

[@cormackeenan8175]

Why not, you could take a gamble. 😂

[@philipkoene5345]

Since you are apparently not intelligent or informed enough to at least spell is name more or less correctly, I think your opinion can be safely disregarded.

[@pfauniversal1890]

@@cormackeenan8175 Might be walking funny after 🤣

[@gloin10]

Gosh, why not? Maybe you need to get in touch with your gay side, eh? Anyway, he's way too expensive for the likes of you!

[@SuperTonyony]

The solution: Northern Ireland becomes the 51st state of the US.

[@FACup-eu2dt]

The US financed the irish terrorist organisations (with the help of Dublin) for many years, yet when terrorism struck the World Trade Centre, who did the US pay for training and information to deal with their own security? The British.

[@taintabird23]

Neither the governments of the United States nor the governments of Ireland ever provided help to Irish terrorists.

[@stiofain88]

​@@taintabird23 Yeah but Brits come up with their own version of history to suit their narrative. Like how Dunkirk was a glorious retreat before they single handedly saved Europe instead of running away until the US and Russia did the job.

[@colbr6733]

An American who thinks Brits will respond well to being bullied, as did the EU.

[@fintonmainz7845]

The Brits were the bullies in Anglo Irish relations. Now that things are more even Chavlanders complain about being "bullied".

[@colbr6733]

​@@fintonmainz7845 Whoever is bullying, it's not acceptable.

[@roseanne9986]

@Col Br Tell your politicians that. Not so long ago, a politician said block food supplies from getting into Ireland.

[@jonoessex]

@@fintonmainz7845 The irish are the bullies over Brexit as are the EU. They also bullied us and used violence against us from 1969-1997. They are busy wrecking the peace we brought to NI.

[@gloin10]

@Col Br "An American who thinks Brits will respond well to being bullied..."? No, he is an American EXPERT who is trying to drag you a little closer to objective reality. It is NOT bullying to state the reality that the USA is NOT going to back the UK when it backslides on its obligations, freely entered into, laid out in the Good Friday Agreement(GFA). And no, the EU did NOT bully the UK. The EU merely did what it is morally, ethically and legally obliged to do, which is to protect and advance the legitimate interests of its citizens, member states and its own institutions. The reality is that Brixit has inverted the power balance in the Irish-British dynamic. Previously, the UK could dominate a poor country with a small population. Today, a rich Ireland has the backing of the EU and the USA. This is a fight the UK has lost before it even starts....

[@therighthonsirdoug]

It's absurd to suggest that NI is going to go back to anything like the situation that was there before. The main reasons that the US sees Ireland in the way it does is the dopey US President's misunderstanding of Irish history and politics.

[@stiofain88]

He has a better understanding of Ireland than anyone in your government, or your island for that matter.

[@maxmartin7080]

@@stiofain88 Completely agree!

[@frankoneill5675]

The US sees Ireland in this way because of the bipartisan Irish American lobby, the second most influential lobby group in the US after the pro-Isreali lobby. Whoever the president is, from whatever party, that won't change. As the other posters say here, Biden knows a lot more about Ireland and Irish politics than the vast majority of people in England.

[@fintonmainz7845]

Nonsense. Biden's understanding of Anglo Irish relations is far deeper than anybody on the conservative or labour party front benches.

[@GG-kf8ox]

Read about the implantation of ireland 🇮🇪 ! And you will understand Irish history and the damage done to ireland 🇮🇪 by the British state !

[@snoochyBoochies19888]

Wonder if the yanks will still be happy with that decision when the next war comes up. Im sure the Irish republic and the EU will 100 percent support the US in any armed conflict. 😂 Has anyone seen the state of the irish republic armed forces by any chance?