Post Office Inquiry LIVE: Watch former people services director Angela van den Bogerd give evidence

The inquiry will hear evidence from former people services director at Post Office Ltd and programme director for the branch support programme Angela van den Bogerd.
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[@wayneh1455]

This woman should be in jail,add up all the jail time what has been given out to all the innocent people and give it to her and the head of the post office,and make them pay all the compensation and also charge them with corporate manslaughter because innocent people have taken there own lives over this.put them in style prison and let the women inmates deal with them😂

[@kevind6956]

She held a senior position but didn’t actually know anything? They’re all such liars!!

[@Anna-sk3ek]

Not much, at least 😂😅😂 sheer incompetence is possible. But lies too?

[@sharris234]

She is very cunning, you can see when she feels she is on safe ground, she babbles away and tries to lead everyone on a dance of techno babble. She is very knowledgeable when she wants to be. Yet at other times she says "I don't recall seeing that email...." or comes out with "I was trying to understand the situation.... " I hope the CPS are watching this, and I hope she and others will be stars of the show at The Old Bailey.

[@tgfabthunderbird1]

Paula probably sniffed and snorted, as did the others when they heard this man killed himself. They must then have wondered, "Can we get the money out of his in-laws?"🤬

[@paulaa.8586]

What a brazen shameless liar. The Met Police need to get on with the criminal investigation

[@elenikantaris9505]

A disgrace to her job

[@unam4264]

Lies all lies. Shocking can't remember, dont recall how did she get that high in the post office, its a cover up as plain as day.!!

[@Wallydaft]

What on earth did she do in thirty odd years working for the PO....She didn't know anything. Didn't hear anything. Had nothing to do with anything. Wasn't aware of anything.....Was she on permanent sick leave? Despite been informed in December 2010 that the software provider could manipulate Sub post masters accounts she insists she didn't know!!!! Unbelievable.......If you received an email saying that you'd remember it...Can they make her pay back all the bonuses she took on false pretences.

[@gerrylast]

Butt happy to take a wage?

[@LindaWisdomphotography]

And yet she got this huge bonus and promotion for all her 'hard work'!! Things to make you say hmmmmm LOL

[@gerrylast]

Waste of oxygen imo.

[@barbarabroadbent2360]

🙈🙉🙊!!!!

[@nicolajohnston4798]

🙈🙉🙊😡 At least give back your bonuses !!!!

[@user-ub6te5uw9z]

Thank you mrs van den bogerd for your lies

[@DeanSinger-ky7md]

I think words like gas lighting, sociopath and narcissist should fit her title, trying to deny she inflicted pain and misery to many PO employees - no emotion or empathy !

[@daleeaton9839]

She's very callous, shows no signs of remorse 🤬

[@eleanorrachaels.sbraithwai3053]

This woman may never see - what we would consider to be - consequences for her actions. But every night, when it’s quiet…. When the sun goes down and she lies in bed, trying to turn off her thoughts so she can sleep in peace… there will be, somewhere deep inside her conscience, guilt. Many become well practised at coping with guilt, but one never lives peacefully with it. It’s always there, right until the end. I don’t envy her that. I don’t envy anyone in the postoffice who was involved. The guilt they all carry will haunt them and be a constant reminder - they have blood on their hands.

[@francesdoyle1508]

I wonder; some people are able to convince themselves that they've done nothing wrong. I hope you're correct.

[@raskinman]

This vile evil scum probably knows how to overcome the guilt with the darkness inside of her.

[@gordonbitting1659]

I doubt very much that this woman or any of the others will suffer physically or mentally. They seem to have survived quite well over the last 20 or so years.

[@user-sj4nh5ku2p]

Unbelievably wretched performance: totally put through the wringer time and time again. Complete character assassination by the impressive barristers . There’s no way back now for her : next destination jail !!

[@janmargaret7972]

She should lose her pension too.

[@DeanSinger-ky7md]

quite a few job positions in the last 10 years reason for leaving was PERSONAL - iffy !

[@LindaWisdomphotography]

The PO Lawyers briefing lying PO staff: "OK, Say nothing, play dumb, say I don't recall, or don't remember, or not my responsibility, rinse and repeat'.

[@jon780249]

Humiliation. Prosecution should follow.

[@boondoggle6]

Where are the police? Why on earth haven’t they arrested these people who drove subpostmasters to their deaths?

[@sjt1043]

All who were in senior management during this scandal should be behind bars. Apologies don't bring back lives nor right wrong doings.

[@janmargaret7972]

Having been on the receiving end of bullying , manipulation and lying, from a large national company’s management team, which made me ill with stress and anxiety. It is good to see this person being questioned and not allowed to get away with lying and obfuscation. I hope at the very least she loses her pension.

[@t.dmytryshyn2615]

Do you think she knows that she is coming across as a liar? On the case of the man who killed himself, the family only had a very short time to make a decision or they would lose that money and the post office would continue to prosecute them for the money they claimed he had stolen. They had this family over a barrel and they squeezed them until they signed.

[@gerrylast]

If your doctor did not open an email about your cancer they would be struck off for gross negligence but this piece of work seems to get away with gross neglegee 😊

[@thehoodfab1]

Ignorance is not a defense. Hopefully jail time coming soon.

[@gerrylast]

Should be well and truely bogard if asked how many email she actualy read and how many she ignored😊

[@Lloydb723]

God this is so awful

[@petersullivan2837]

How on earth can you make someone was responsible for money stolen in a robbery

[@Patricia-do9cj]

Heart of stone

[@Wallydaft]

Whoever she is employed by now, assuming she is....I hope they 'let her go'...She's toxic.

[@fgrsimon]

She worked for the Football Association of Wales (FAW) as 'Head of People' after the Post Office. Funnily enough she was 'let go' in 2021! Quite how working as an IT Network Manager for the Post Office would have qualified her for a senior HR role at a Football Association is another question.

[@user-ub6te5uw9z]

Can 🥫 someone please tell me when are these people going to be nicked for what they have done if you where working class you would be in prison by now

[@ekay881]

Her body language is very tense, compared to others that have been questioned. It’s so unfair she’s gonna get away with everything. How does this woman sleep at night!! They’ll just label her as incompetent and she’ll accept that and get away with it

[@user-ub6te5uw9z]

Put your hands 👐 up you ruined thousand of people life guilty as charged

[@user-ub6te5uw9z]

Blame f in roderick

[@mechanick1000]

to think someone is married to that

[@user-sj4nh5ku2p]

You shouldn’t judge a book by its cover : however in her case it certainly applies

[@geeky_gunner]

I was a top boss for years. However, I didn't see, read, or hear anything. My bad!

[@LindaWisdomphotography]

"I don't recall" her get out card for every question she doesn't want to answer to incriminate herself with her lies and BS.

[@specshop5201]

Lock her up

[@user-sj4nh5ku2p]

Another potential problem : when this goes to a criminal court for the guilty ( which it will) how do you select an impartial jury ?? These characters are surely despised by virtually EVERYONE. This whole saga is absolutely appalling : I am not impacted but feel so strongly about it. How the people affected by it is impossible to fully comprehend !

[@user-ub6te5uw9z]

Unsavoury she thinks it is a packet of crisps

[@keithhowe507]

I've followed this for about 5 years read Nicks book listened to podcast watched Panorama listened to all the lies have got sad and angry with what I've heard. Yes I do think some jail time is needed for some, but this would cost the tax payers even more. They should be hit in the pockets take away their big house's.

[@dogzero1]

Just watched the whole enquiry today. She is a liar and it shows. Selective amnesia and no thoughts for the lives she helped ruin. I want to see her jailed and he post office pension removed

[@kavitademetriou4877]

It beggars belief that she was only after pursuing and persecuting the innocent and filling her boots with ill gotten gains. I wish her nothing but karma .

[@user-ub6te5uw9z]

He said she said

[@petersullivan2837]

Going back to the days of the Wild West in the USA, she speaks with forked tongue

[@carlosgravy7966]

Surely, Angela van den Borgen will go to prison?

[@bernardgooch4308]

May 22nd fast approaching. Total respect for Mr Beer He will want a long holiday after all this

[@LindaWisdomphotography]

LOL someone in the chat said "​​i think she is linked to Chat GPT" 😅😅😅😅

[@daleeaton9839]

I'd like to see a body language expert do a few videos on her see what they make of her. I've been watching and i think she's been coping quite well under questioning. That's not to say i believe a word of it, as i know first hand how well colleagues / bosses can lie and the lengths they will go to to cover things up. The evidence in this case is overwhelming, she was party to the large majority of what was going on and she should be held to account. She'lll just shift the blame onto others and they'll no doubt do the same.

[@elenikantaris9505]

I don't know how someone could even admit to not reading emails etc. This woman is a pyscho

[@juliasalmon5858]

Every single answer from her so obviously attempts to avoid any liability. Nothing about her responses indicates regret or sorrow for what happened as a result of her own actions - other than regret that she has been found out. Total absence of empathy for others, a total absence of conscience. Cold, ruthless and appears sociopathic. Her testimony, with its spectacular and incredible memory loss in regard to any information which condemns her, strongly suggests that she often lies and obfuscates. She constantly blames others for any decisions made and frequently uses the phrase, "This is the first time I've seen that..." (as an alternative to "I don't recall..."), accepting responsibility for nothing - despite being a senior manager and decision maker.

[@rogertaylor6386]

She was inspired by cranky

[@uavvidography2760]

no winners here, everyone loses something, how tragically sad, not only for the lives of the victimised postmistresses and postmasters, but the summation of this woman's life is her legacy; I don't see an honest acknowledgment of the part she played which ultimately lead to the suicide of at least one person and the ruination of many others. No remorse or admission of culpability sends cold shivers through me, I'm trying not to feel rage at this, but I do.

[@Patsylang449]

Here’s hoping this woman, and all other “executives/professionals” are held to account for their (at best) indifference - they need to be made an example of, to prevent similar miscarriages of justice against vulnerable people in the future. We have a right to expect more integrity from those in positions of responsibility in our institutions.

[@donaldpaterson5827]

I’ve known more than one boss who didn’t want to know either what was happening or the details.

[@donaldpaterson5827]

This is the danger with procedures and processes is that there is little room for initiative as it would muck up the whole system.

[@user-sj4nh5ku2p]

I understand there is a mechanism that can generate info whether a person has read an email or not. I am not technically minded : if that is the case however this should be activated surely.She is undoubtedly lying but this would prove 100% and leave her rhetoric in tatters !

[@terryfarrant8681]

Lets hope so !

[@user-sj4nh5ku2p]

@@terryfarrant8681Feel even without this there is so much evidence building up against this awful woman that she will ultimately get the full weight of the law thrown at her !

[@ianhjan]

The common denominator with all these Horizon

[@donaldpaterson5827]

Am I correct in thinking that there was excess money at times, it wasn’t always a loss?

[@user-ub6te5uw9z]

She should get Harvey wienstiens lawyers

[@sharris234]

When she says "I wish I had the insight that I have now" what she means is she wishes she had realised her ruthless cruel behaviour and lies would be found out and publicly displayed in an enquiry and put on KZbin. Incredible liar.

[@jannettejacobson4621]

She is a liar

[@uavvidography2760]

actually, in conclusion, this woman is completely and utterly despicable, no remorse, no insight a complete and utter piece of

[@sharris234]

Around 58:38 there is an email in 2013 where they discuss a Change Request (ie a change in the functionality of the software) so it displays different ID's if the transaction was made by the system and not the operator. This is techno babble, to say it clearly, if a system makes random transactions BY ITSELF then I would say that is a bug. These people have titles such as "Distinguished Engineer" and "Business Applications Architect" yet he is asking what is the process for getting a report layout amended??? I get the impression the PO honchos were more like a group of ruthless corporate pirates who blagged their way into top positions yet had no idea and very little interest in how things should be done correctly and ethically. All they cared about was image and dosh. Absolutely horrendous. This van den Bogerd is extremely cunning, knows how to babble away and pretend she was an unwitting accomplice. She does not fool me at all.

[@fgrsimon]

It's not necessarily a bug for the system itself to make updates to data. There would be a central 'batch job' that would run overnight each night, performing calculations and updates from that day's processing. However if these updates were not distinguishable from updates made by the Post Office (or Fujitsu) staff during working hours, that would certainly be a problem.

[@raskinman]

Paula Vennels surprisingly is a devout Christian and was ordained as Bishop of London. What next? .... we hear Angela becoming a Hindu guru 😂

[@uavvidography2760]

Viper