Post Office Scandal: The Full Story (So Far)

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The greatest miscarriage of justice in British legal history. In January of 2024, ITV launched the drama 'Mr Bates VS the Post Office' overnight the public responded to the heartbreaking stories of postmasters across the country. A battle nearly 700 sub-postmasters have been fighting since the late 1990s, was suddenly in the spotlight.
GMB spoke with politicians, journalists, sub-postmasters and Alan Bates himself, learning about the injustices suffered and the campaign heroes.
The Horizon Post Office Scandal is far from over, here is the full story so far...
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@smallGatsby
@smallGatsby 2 ай бұрын
I admire Alan Bates. A modern day hero and an example that persistence will pay off
@MaryBywaters
@MaryBywaters 2 ай бұрын
He was very smart in the first place not signing off on the wrong balance. Good on him. He believed in himself. That's what every single one of them should have done. But it's hard in the face of a machine. Both the computer and the lying b's on the phoneline.
@alfredttarski4521
@alfredttarski4521 2 ай бұрын
Did it pay off?
@annafattore1273
@annafattore1273 2 ай бұрын
They were told they were the only one, so that put doubt in their mids. Shame on them.
@colinpryor4290
@colinpryor4290 Ай бұрын
The general persistent Quiet Power of The Public. It cannot be stopped once it starts to roll. Never fear your government. Your government must fear you.
@s.j.bluewater908
@s.j.bluewater908 13 күн бұрын
Yes. Vennels - dishonest and self aggrandised. Alan Bates - thoroughly decent person.
@grayflight9424
@grayflight9424 2 ай бұрын
Nobody will convince me the government didnt know this was happening
@gaz8891
@gaz8891 2 ай бұрын
They certainly knew at the beginning. Horizon was initially commissioned from Fujitsu to manage the benefits systems, but all the bugs meant that it turned out to be too unreliable for this. This was a big thing in government at the time, they all knew. But rather than abandon it and waste the investment, and fall behind with his 'modernising' pledges, Tony Blair asked Fujitsu to revamp the system for the Post Office. He then pretty much forced it onto the Post Office, who were trying to resist this. As time went on the PO and Fujitsu management hoped that their IT departments were managing the glitches, and got on with telling the public that the system was working ...
@diane4488
@diane4488 Ай бұрын
I agree. Government ministers definitely knew.
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 Ай бұрын
@@gaz8891 it was a failed nhs programe they rejected it .
@BoadiceanRevenge
@BoadiceanRevenge Ай бұрын
Well of course they did!. They OWN the PO!😡
@christinejames5631
@christinejames5631 Ай бұрын
If the dwp have had bugs too why oh why did they not think " hang on a minute" is this happening with the po
@mmg9675
@mmg9675 2 ай бұрын
Why aren't the police arresting those guilty of lying to parliament?
@24321619
@24321619 2 ай бұрын
The Police have interviewed I think only Two People under caution for ''Perverting the Course of Justice''
@kurtgodel5236
@kurtgodel5236 Ай бұрын
UK police doesn't investigate crimes that happened in the past. Didn't you know?
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 Ай бұрын
@@kurtgodel5236 the met police does not reconise tory crimes .two places best to be if you want a good criminal career.with a real good pay off and a pension.
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 Ай бұрын
police will never arrest a tory backed horse.
@diane4488
@diane4488 Ай бұрын
Also repeatedly lying to the courts.
@user-zb7no8cn7i
@user-zb7no8cn7i 2 ай бұрын
Tony Blair stood up and said that the system was flawless. He should be held accountable. .
@Liz-ek3hc
@Liz-ek3hc 2 ай бұрын
Yes Blair shouldn't be allowed to walk away from this unscathed. If not for him and Fujitsu this would never have happened.
@5ooP_sOUp
@5ooP_sOUp Ай бұрын
he got away with starting a war in the middle east based on false information invented to justify a war .. .. so I'm guessing this is water off a ducks back. A slight breeze on a fair day. These people never face justice.
@senchaholic
@senchaholic Ай бұрын
And there are no flawless systems. They simply don't exist. All systems have vulnerabilities. And that's why you need a plan to manage threats and losses and design controls that mitigate vulnerabilities. And you need to do this continuously. It's a never ending activity.
@beammeup8458
@beammeup8458 Ай бұрын
WE WANT TO SEE JUSTICE BEING DONE ..... all we get is blah blah blah and laywers getting rich ... blah blah blah ...
@alanwilliams836
@alanwilliams836 Ай бұрын
​@senchaholic Just to add that there should also be inbuilt systems to detect "unexpected" traffic. The main system should have rung alarms; the individual sub-postoffices should have rung alarms when they detected rogue incoming messages. To me it seems the backdoor was a _designed_ and intended feature.
@andyiswonderful
@andyiswonderful 2 ай бұрын
This whole scandal is so nauseating. Also, this idea that there are "Lessons Learned" here is idiotic. We all know already that it is unethical to lie and steal. It is inconceivable that the Post Office lawyers, prosecutors, and senior executives didn't know exactly what was going on.
@amiller1531
@amiller1531 2 ай бұрын
There were definitely individuals that new about the issues with Horizon. Whether the inquiry will get to the bottom of it remains to be seen. As many of the participants in the inquiry seem to be afflicted with amnesia, it seems unlikely sadly.
@philleggitt3005
@philleggitt3005 2 ай бұрын
Andy they had their eyes shut so they didnt hear a thing...lol...
@MaryBywaters
@MaryBywaters 2 ай бұрын
Yes the woman asking the question - "What I want to know is where that money went? That is the crux of this. The question left unanswered. Yes Fujitsu!!!
@karlmylnere5712
@karlmylnere5712 Ай бұрын
andyiswonderful There are always lessons learned , the lesson is , let's not get caught next time, the amnesia that appears to have affected all those who were directly responsible is very convenient , more than likely as a recommendation from the lawyers , the whole bunch involved in this affair should , if there was any real justice in this land , be behind bars , somehow I can't see that ever happening.
@christinejames5631
@christinejames5631 Ай бұрын
I personally, cannot bare to hear " lessons should be learned" I'm sick to my high teeth of this statement. It's said whenever a company, public sector etc make immense mistakes deluberate or not, yet they never learn it happens again and again.
@robingoh7362
@robingoh7362 2 ай бұрын
Come on, Minister, just PAY UP. Stop giving excuses and stop blabbering..
@ianbarr5110
@ianbarr5110 2 ай бұрын
I thought you were innocent in the UK until proven guilty? These people were treated as guilty yet where was the actual financial evidence of guilt?
@mazz2001
@mazz2001 2 ай бұрын
That’s only for women
@itsrickyschannel.
@itsrickyschannel. 2 ай бұрын
@@mazz2001 He says as women post masters were also affected by this scandal.
@MaryBywaters
@MaryBywaters 2 ай бұрын
That was Alan Bates argument!
@diane4488
@diane4488 2 ай бұрын
There was no actual evidence. Only the word of workers and directors of the Post Office justifying their claims. Basically they were believed by the legal system, because they were the 'Post Office's.
@24321619
@24321619 2 ай бұрын
None
@sirvikalcrusader3668
@sirvikalcrusader3668 2 ай бұрын
There will be no prosecutions coming from the establishment the establishment looks after its own vile spawn
@smallGatsby
@smallGatsby 2 ай бұрын
At least the law in England and Wales allows for private prosecutions. I think that's the only way to see the responsible in the dock
@karlmylnere5712
@karlmylnere5712 Ай бұрын
​@@smallGatsby I fear you are quite correct , the government and civil service aided by the Lawyers will connive to deny justice in this case , I do not believe that one of the persons responsible for this disgraceful episode will face prosecution , if by the remotest chance someone will it will be in the form of sacrificial lambs ,ie people who , in the eyes of our so called authorities do not count.
@andrewandjoanhart7882
@andrewandjoanhart7882 Ай бұрын
I think there will be - the victims AND the public will DEMAND it
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
It appears to have done, most recently. The Post Office boss was exonerated!! Can't be justice!
@fionacrombie9138
@fionacrombie9138 Ай бұрын
Here in New Zealand we have just seen the tv drama. Completely gob smacked. How terrible for all those people that were affected. I see there is still evidence coming out of the bosses lying. I hope that they are all charged with criminal offences, lose their pensions and go to jail. It must have been beyond frustrating to have no one listening for 20 years 😑
@pughy79
@pughy79 2 ай бұрын
The U.K. legal system is an absolute joke. These poor people have this hurrendous ordeal to handle in the first place, then have to navigate the ridiculous and obscenely expensive legal system, and they’re STILL waiting for redress.
@catewalker1645
@catewalker1645 2 ай бұрын
Watched this documentary series in Australia yesterday. Absolutely shocking that this is still not settled to this day!
@colinpryor4290
@colinpryor4290 2 ай бұрын
Still not settled and still going on to this day, even after EVERYONE knows that this particular Post Office computer system is corrupt, can't be trusted and can be accessed by backdoors run by non-Post Office IT staff. Even today it's standard practice for Post Office to pursue the Postmasters for any money stolen during a robbery at their Post Office. The 'problem' for all involved in the prosecution of innocent people in this case is that it involves so many UK politicians from all parties, so many ex-Prime Ministers, the judiciary, the Director of Public Prosecutions, so many household names here in the UK, exposes the UK government to the risk of HUGE civil cases and holds the UK Honours system up to ridicule for 'rewarding' corrupt and criminal individuals who knowingly persecuted and prosecuted people they knew to be innocent. The crimes committed here can only have one outcome - serious jail time for those involved - and with so many being of that particular ilk, that is why the current and next UK governments will do their usual "sit back and bluster and hope that it all goes away with the wind". I believe the phrase is "we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong". Among the huge list of questions that need answers are at least two big questions: 1) Where is all of the money that was deemed to have been stolen and then paid back by some Postmasters and did any Post Office management staff benefit from it? 2) While dozens of Fujitsu IT staff were involved in backdoor entry to the alleged 'secure' accounts of particular Post Offices, were they involved in the 'thefts' and did they cover their trails within the software?
@dianacasey6002
@dianacasey6002 2 ай бұрын
I found myself using some colourful language. It was shocking.
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 Ай бұрын
tory are seeing how they can middle out of this before being kicked out of office.
@user-tz7id8lg7g
@user-tz7id8lg7g 2 ай бұрын
All the management should be sacked and prosecuted,those involved with this should also be Jailed.
@anufajemisin4348
@anufajemisin4348 2 ай бұрын
I couldn’t agree more.
@marksavage1108
@marksavage1108 Ай бұрын
780 cases of conspiring to pervert the course of justice. vennels should be arrested now and remanded.
@hawkhoskins4250
@hawkhoskins4250 2 ай бұрын
The full story is “lots of innocent people had their lives ruined by a huge business and there were no consequences” that’s the full story. And they’re still doing it. The enquiry means absolutely sod all.
@dianacasey6002
@dianacasey6002 2 ай бұрын
Gives a whole new meaning to going postal.
@traceyhobbs5971
@traceyhobbs5971 2 ай бұрын
The system is undeniably broken with corruption! These investigations are a joke and an insult, just a way to shut people up again! There is NO justice! We need a reform of the government. Everyone should be audited on a regular basis and the audits should be in public record. If the figures don't add up then people should be held accountable, after all isn't this what they themselves said to these poor people. The government truly believes we are all idiots! Reform and a good clean out like in any other business.
@karlmylnere5712
@karlmylnere5712 Ай бұрын
hawkhoskins4250 ,It means absolutely nothing at all , when the government or civil service are being held to account they have an enquiry which always takes at least two years if not more and practically in almost every case produces nothing . If they can pull it off they will do the same with this scenario,
@robertedwards3147
@robertedwards3147 Ай бұрын
Thank you Alan for being the right man and standing up for others you are a good man
@juliet3827
@juliet3827 Ай бұрын
Payouts AND Prosecution!! Put those vile people behind bars!
@robmckay5421
@robmckay5421 Ай бұрын
We in Aotearoa New Zealand witnessed the screening of 'Mr Bates VS the Post Office' last night (Easter Sunday) on TV1. Appalling, absolutely appalling.
@jal98uc
@jal98uc Ай бұрын
where is Aotearoa? Last time i checked i live in NZ.
@huldaburgh
@huldaburgh 26 күн бұрын
@@jal98uc Land of the Long White Cloud = Aotearoa - which is New Zealand, even in the UK we know where and what Aotearoa is - and we love the Maori. Greetings to all Kiwis in your beautiful land.
@alisonstockley9872
@alisonstockley9872 2 ай бұрын
If the boot was on the other foot The government would hound everyone of those poor. People for every penny 😡
@julierogers1155
@julierogers1155 Ай бұрын
Has Paula Vennells been investigated yet? Has Paula Vennells been charged with anything yet? The compicit parties at FUJITSU, have any been investigated? Charged yet?
@chrisbudesa9355
@chrisbudesa9355 3 күн бұрын
Her CBE was revoked.
@hedidshedidcreations6814
@hedidshedidcreations6814 25 күн бұрын
Well done Suzanna and Richard keeping on the facts superb
@davidgidman7561
@davidgidman7561 2 ай бұрын
“Lessons need to be learned at a higher level” what better way of saying nobody will be prosecuted.
@christinejames5631
@christinejames5631 Ай бұрын
Exactly, people are sick of hearing this, especially as it keeps happening. Anything will be said just to pacify the public, hood wink us in to believing some one is doing something about it. WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
@grahambullock2093
@grahambullock2093 Ай бұрын
For goodness sake, pay the Sub Postmasters THEIR money, then go for the Post Office and Government !!!!!
@sailingwhitsundays5672
@sailingwhitsundays5672 Ай бұрын
The clear winners out of this fiasco are the solicitors. Why don’t they ditch Fujitsu ! Robust is exactly what it is NOT !
@wendylowe4241
@wendylowe4241 Ай бұрын
This story is unfathomable. And still ongoing !! Jail sentences need to be forthwith immediately and victims fully refunded their money with compensation and interest.
@heathermaich8966
@heathermaich8966 Ай бұрын
Any institution has its own protectiveness (many who work in institutions know this) and will not take responsibility, with union backup, against the employees. Alan Bates is my hero!
@brianhepke7182
@brianhepke7182 2 ай бұрын
She is asking all the right questions.... all very simple ones that require simple answers.
@Liz-ek3hc
@Liz-ek3hc 2 ай бұрын
Every politician involved over the years should have their wages garnished and those retired should have their pensions garnished and that money go to the Postmasters and Postmistresses. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of paying for government's mistakes all my life whilst they get hefty raise after hefty raise and are never penalised for anything.
@r8chlletters
@r8chlletters 2 ай бұрын
I’m so glad Mr. Bates turned down a stingy government settlement. These people need total compensation with interest over time and zero taxation. This includes their surviving family and spouses. Shame on the Post Office and shame on a government that continues to erode public services! We need to revoke private contracts due to neglect of public services and take them all back under new and professional leadership .
@Liz-ek3hc
@Liz-ek3hc Ай бұрын
Bravo, well said, that's exactly what we need to do! These "public/private partnerships" have been a windfall for the already rich shareholders and when something goes wrong, it's the taxpayers that are expected to bail them out, like our 10 years of Austerity, we suffered whilst they gave themselves a 7-figure raise. No more. We're done. The only way we can stop them now is everybody stop paying ALL taxes. They won't get very far without our hard-earned money.
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 10 күн бұрын
the tory boys doing the tax for the post office claimed tax back on compo claimed for the post office knowing the money was form criminality they had created .
@jeanhawken4482
@jeanhawken4482 2 ай бұрын
The post office invstigators and Fujitsu are still using clapped out soft ware to persecute the current batch of post office worker. The gross and corrupt incompetence of management is stunning.
@davidsullivan8236
@davidsullivan8236 Ай бұрын
Think of defamation , loss of earnings and reputation and the victims aren’t getting any younger. If this was in the USA They would have sued the post office, Fujitsu and the individuals who allowed the mistake to develop out of hand
@aregee9550
@aregee9550 Ай бұрын
Alan Bates is a hero, what I cant believe is that this has taken 20 years to get to where it is, one should never confuse stupidity with duplicity. Here we have both. Paula Vennels had both feet in the trough, took the 4m salary and must have known what was going on, 700 Postmasters supposedly rorting the system... Unbelievable!!! Laura Trott just sort it out and stop the political waffle.
@Liz-ek3hc
@Liz-ek3hc 2 ай бұрын
As regards the Minister for the Post Office, Ed Davy, I read he was paid a great deal of money by the law firm representing the Post Office to "look the other way" - and he did. He should have his "Sir" removed. There's nothing honourable about the man.
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
💯
@SylvieODonnell53
@SylvieODonnell53 Ай бұрын
Utterly despicable scandal that ruined so many lives. Regardless whether the people come forward or not they need to be paid to redress the wrong.
@petershortland478
@petershortland478 2 ай бұрын
How about give every penny that was taken of them even the value of the homes that was taken of them
@greenleopard
@greenleopard 2 ай бұрын
As an America can, I wish I could vote to jail those post office bosses.
@bazzle253
@bazzle253 2 ай бұрын
Criminal convictions must happen
@Dunbardoddy
@Dunbardoddy 2 ай бұрын
Anyone who has been involved with IT over the last 40+ years will tell you that de bugging of systems can take years. PO management may have been ignorant initially but they were ultimately guilty of wickedness.
@anthonykettle174
@anthonykettle174 Ай бұрын
How right you are.
@anthonykettle174
@anthonykettle174 28 күн бұрын
My immediate thought when this debacle came to my attention was that the new program had not been properly tested. Lots of honest employees do not become dishonest overnight. The PO and FUJITSU are the real criminals.
@peterpower6397
@peterpower6397 Ай бұрын
Get these self serving politicians to work overtime and the lawmen who are counting gold and personal gain.
@KarKar-ps6yj
@KarKar-ps6yj 2 ай бұрын
It proves UK is lagging behind in IT not to mention the arrogance of those lunatic post office investigators. Not only to compensate the victims but also send those investigators and judges behind bar. if the irregularity only happened to one or two post office, we might suspect something was fishing. when the irregularity has become a norm, this must be a system error. now I found common sense is indeed uncommon
@paulkingeu
@paulkingeu 2 ай бұрын
A million pounds each as a payout to every subpostmaster should be a starting point
@hedgehog1965uk
@hedgehog1965uk 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. All 700 that were convicted, especially the 236 that went to prison. So many have lost pretty much everything, including 10+ years of their lives.
@user-ee8dy2st3c
@user-ee8dy2st3c 2 ай бұрын
It's not compensation they want it's JUSTICE....simples
@bingbong6467
@bingbong6467 2 ай бұрын
Now we need to know about the unions role in all of this please I for one am convinced that theres a lot more to this disturbing affair
@jemorroidskp
@jemorroidskp 2 ай бұрын
There was and still is a union for subpostmasters which is funded by the post office which did nothing over the scandal apart from advise people facing conviction to plead guilty for suspended sentences rather than prison. There should be an independent union established now for postmasters
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 Ай бұрын
set up wost than the phone in system in advance to take your money think your safe then in 11 hour simply forget you exist and look the other way.
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
​@@jemorroidskp💯👍
@diane4488
@diane4488 Ай бұрын
The whole system was toxic, and evil. This includes the internal investigators, prosecutors, the legal teams, and the senior directors. As we've come to see, it's deeply shocking that a government owned, run, and overseen business has been so aggressive, harmful, and corrupt, to the very core, at all levels.
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
💯👍
@kaushikpandya7746
@kaushikpandya7746 Ай бұрын
I am without justice since 1979 to be a whistle blower as bank of india, uk employee known to all uk and indian politicians and regulators.
@pughy79
@pughy79 2 ай бұрын
£40m in legal fees!? WHAT!? How on earth can anyone justify that!?
@ruthbeamish8849
@ruthbeamish8849 2 ай бұрын
I don't know why l am watching this video as my blood pressure is adversely affected every time I see or hear any documentary about this appalling and evil situation. Alan Bates and Jo Hamilton are 2 amazing heroes. Please God there is a satisfactory outcome BUT l hae ma doots !!!!
@peterwhitear7716
@peterwhitear7716 2 ай бұрын
a great man for what he has done for postmasters now the gov need to pay back what they took from them over the years in full now
@smallGatsby
@smallGatsby 2 ай бұрын
Not only the sub postmasters. Everyone who values truth, honesty & justice. Alan Bates is a modern Robin Hood
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
Yes. WHY didn't they just pay off the sub-postmasters and mistresses YEARS ago?? And not waste millions in public money trying to fob them off!! 😡😡
@amiller1531
@amiller1531 2 ай бұрын
At an absolute minimum every bonus paid for every prosecution should be paid back, it really will be a travesty if even that doesn't happen
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
💯👍
@alisonstockley9872
@alisonstockley9872 2 ай бұрын
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE ARE. DISGUSTING 😡
@francesscully1071
@francesscully1071 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, Mr. Bates, you are my hero. I have had terrible problems with Telus and Bell. I am terrified about the push to Artificial Intelligence. Too many people prefer machines to people. We all know that people make mistakes, and we also know there are people who are sociopaths. People are super quick to blame people and are slow to question flawed automated systems and machines and this is scary.
@rapturas
@rapturas 2 ай бұрын
It wasnt ignorance nor arrogance, but profit leading to big bonuses for the people at the top.
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
Which must stop!
@markhankin9317
@markhankin9317 2 ай бұрын
Here in Australia absolutely gobsmacked Hopefully here they do one on robodebt different but similarly ruthless
@bobsanders9500
@bobsanders9500 Ай бұрын
There MUST be accountability at the highest levels. An unequivocal message MUST be sent to heads of all such government organisations: behave ethically, responsibly and legally - or answer to the justice system yourself.
@777colin1
@777colin1 2 ай бұрын
Suddenly, I understand, what Blah! Blah! Blah! means.
@rvarsigfusson6163
@rvarsigfusson6163 Ай бұрын
Only 636 thumps up......A SHAME!! A brilliant go thru on this scandal.
@pippabailey6505
@pippabailey6505 2 ай бұрын
Its still happening
@Greblav
@Greblav 2 ай бұрын
Please clarify 🤔
@JD-bn2ch
@JD-bn2ch 2 ай бұрын
BRAVO ALAN! ❤
@joycepaton3035
@joycepaton3035 Ай бұрын
It's still happening to these post office people.. that's more scandal on top
@DE-xt7jv
@DE-xt7jv 2 ай бұрын
It was motives by Vennells was from the C of E, this is exactly how the Anglican Church reacts to problems
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 Ай бұрын
her god is Belphegor with out a doubt .
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
​@@andydudley1775Belphegor! My goodness! 😂😂
@goldbournemascal3621
@goldbournemascal3621 2 ай бұрын
Horizon system must be changed⁉️ Is the PO so interwoven with it that it can't be changed⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
@fulloftruthguardian5420
@fulloftruthguardian5420 2 ай бұрын
This video was done in January. We are now in mid-February and what's happened? More prosecutions for postmasters all over the UK, that's what's happening.
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
Should have stopped by now!
@valrodgers8889
@valrodgers8889 Ай бұрын
This government minister could watch the inquiry, and have all his questions answered🥶. Most of the POL investigators couldn't remember anything, but the sub post masters had to have evidence. Watching from Australia, this has shocked me🇦🇺
@maanhills7982
@maanhills7982 2 ай бұрын
Vennell or venal, that is the question.
@5ooP_sOUp
@5ooP_sOUp Ай бұрын
underrated comment.
@bobsanders9500
@bobsanders9500 Ай бұрын
Don't wait for an inquiry to prosecute, you'll wait forever. Mount a private prosecution now, before those responsible disappear.
@Jon-xw9om
@Jon-xw9om 2 ай бұрын
Yet Michelle Mone gets £220,000,000 within 2 weeks through PPE Fast Track.
@SimonSmith-yd6tt
@SimonSmith-yd6tt 2 ай бұрын
shhh they don't want you to talk about that Makes the government look corrupt
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
Yeah! 🙁🙁
@trailmaker3
@trailmaker3 Ай бұрын
The lady trying to justify their lack of integrity in the compensation payments is disgusting! There is nothing she can say to justify their inadequate job!
@keithbuckley3220
@keithbuckley3220 2 ай бұрын
Post Office thieves who went for the easy way out - they must be made to admit that they were the worst liars ever and they never questioned the problem which they knew about - they should all be jailed.
@chrispartosbro4555
@chrispartosbro4555 2 ай бұрын
I still don't get why when the sub posties lost there cases they had to pay both lots of lawyers, and when they won as a group they still had to pay both lots of layers, or am i missing something?
@lilmissnoname7782
@lilmissnoname7782 2 ай бұрын
Yep. That’s correct! It’s an absolutely ridiculous feature of our justice system. If you take someone to court, and they offer you £200,000 to settle out of court, if you turn this offer down and win £150,000 in court they can say that you have wasted their time and money as you won less through the court system. This allows them to get you to pay for their lawyers fees, as this is a charge they wouldn’t have had to pay if you had taken the original £200,000!!! I think this also happens in other countries too! Insane, right? 🤦🏽‍♀️
@notquiteoverthehill9576
@notquiteoverthehill9576 2 ай бұрын
Still prosecuting now Feb 2024
@mikeellis4345
@mikeellis4345 2 ай бұрын
Fujitsu Japan executives must be called to the inquiry.. they cannot wash their hands of this disgraceful behaviour by their own 🇬🇧 subsidiary . They must commit to full and speedy compensation for all the sub postmaster-victims
@TheOmegaRiddler
@TheOmegaRiddler 2 ай бұрын
You're asking for a diplomatic nightmare that will take years to do and impact many other businesses that will likely cut ties with the UK over that.
@psuk2319
@psuk2319 2 ай бұрын
It’s likely Fujitsu uk are partially at fault, I can’t imagine this was instructed from Japan. But hopefully that will be clarified.
@snausagesmcqueef1604
@snausagesmcqueef1604 2 ай бұрын
​@@TheOmegaRiddlerthat is a risk Fujitsu assumes by engaging in international trade. They can't accept international funds without international accountability.
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
​@TheOmegaRiddler Yes: but UK plc can't allow itself to be ripped off like this!!!
@adrianellis4497
@adrianellis4497 Ай бұрын
The only result the country will accept is every single person involved from ministers through judges through solicitors are brought to justice and gaoled. How can it be conceivable these people will escape their professional negligence in this miscarriage of justice? How can any of their criminal profits not be seized immediately.
@squifferpop
@squifferpop 29 күн бұрын
“Lessons need to be learned”!?!?!? Yeah right! 😡
@alan4yt
@alan4yt 2 ай бұрын
This is classic arrogance in every company compounded by software staff who are also natural liars unable to be humble even with other software staff
@MaryBywaters
@MaryBywaters 2 ай бұрын
Get rid of horizon!!! They shouldn't keep using it. And Fujitsu should not still be profitting from this. Not being able to differentiate fraud from computer error is outrageous. The poor post office workers.
@jonathand.wieand6119
@jonathand.wieand6119 29 күн бұрын
131 million pounds paid out so far to 2700 claimants is an average of only 48,518 pounds each. The first number sounds large but the amount per person is embarrassingly low.
@AEKarys
@AEKarys 2 ай бұрын
'....do right by 'these people''???? THESE PEOPLE???! THESE PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS! THEY NEED AND DESERVE THEIR MONEY NOW - NOW - NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@gordonaliasme1104
@gordonaliasme1104 2 ай бұрын
Stop SHOUTING, and don't waste exclamation marks!
@jeff__w
@jeff__w 2 ай бұрын
Mel Stride, the Work and Pensions Secretary, repeatedly says there is an inquiry looking into all these questions-and there has to be-but what Susanna Reid is saying, exasperatedly via her questioning, is that the postal affairs minister in 2010 _should_ have looked into this scandal at the time. Stride, doggedly sticking to his line about the inquiry, is not admitting that, yes, that should have been the case. It makes him look, at best, oblivious. It seems like post office officials could be charged with malicious prosecution and the subpostmasters wrongly accused, prosected, and, in many cases, convicted, could be compensated over and above what their actual losses were.
@robertstubbs8062
@robertstubbs8062 2 ай бұрын
Who is actually paying for it ? Is it by any chance, the tax paying public , as usual ?
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
Has to be!!
@scottiedog4236
@scottiedog4236 23 күн бұрын
Thanks for this video itv GMB ❤️
@SylviaDavis-dp3ck
@SylviaDavis-dp3ck 23 күн бұрын
Thank you for your hard work.
@setomakura
@setomakura 29 күн бұрын
Would they not have hand written accounting log book and printed receipts?
@TheOmegaRiddler
@TheOmegaRiddler 2 ай бұрын
I don't understand why there is a delay in payouts, because the way I see it, the longer they wait, the more they are owed. I see it as you should look at what Post Office stole along with what these people had to pay in borrowing money and other means like mortgages, take into account the inflation and add interest and pay whatever that comes to. The longer they wait, the more they owe. And it's likely taxpayer's money that will be used. As for what he said about compensation. They are owed compensation for the loss of reputation and the psychological damage caused by Post Office's actions on top of the redress they deserve
@fredsmith1970
@fredsmith1970 2 ай бұрын
Because they want to pay out as least as possible.. instead of just doing the right thing and paying out what the individual's are owed.
@elliotoliver8679
@elliotoliver8679 2 ай бұрын
If its money for Ukraine Post Office - billions $$$ overnight!!!
@rosemarymonty5399
@rosemarymonty5399 Ай бұрын
If you under pay your taxes in Canada your interest is charged starting at APRIL 31st when it should have been paid. Therefore the Post Office had the Sub Postmasters funds since possibly 1999 the they have to calculate interest the over payment of funds due to the Fujitsu error which would be approximately 25 years compounded monthly at the very least. PLUS Compensation for hardship in loosing their livelihood, ending up in Jail or committing suicide.
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
​@@fredsmith1970💯💯
@oneoflokis
@oneoflokis 23 күн бұрын
​@@rosemarymonty5399💯
@heathermaich8966
@heathermaich8966 Ай бұрын
It seems so hard and expensive to get government workers to take responsibility
@margaretmullen2446
@margaretmullen2446 29 күн бұрын
Why did the tory give Vennells work in the NHS when it is obvious she is to blame forcovering up this whole mess in the post office. She lied for years yet this government keeps rewarding her WHY? There a lot of people in top positions who are denying knowing anything, which is just another attack on the postal workers. The police need to get these people interviewed and taken to court because they are the real culprits in this post office scandal. The executives have been given millions of pounds in wages and bonuses which they were not worthy of, this money needs to be given back immediately. MORALS NOT MONEY STOP THE TORIES STOP THE LIES STOP MONES BOAT
@CornandSarahSmit
@CornandSarahSmit 29 күн бұрын
Wonderful documentary. Thank you
@ShakesSphere
@ShakesSphere Ай бұрын
All I'm hearing is a bunch of SCHEMING, alright....🤬
@gbear1005
@gbear1005 2 ай бұрын
The system performs millions of transactions every day... and only a few cockups here and there, but who is counting?
@johnchestnutt6892
@johnchestnutt6892 Ай бұрын
I'm sure the post office lawyers have been paid in a timely manner!
@cecilediston4839
@cecilediston4839 11 күн бұрын
Difficult to believe this is happening in MODErn uk...disgusting.
@kerimaabu1359
@kerimaabu1359 Ай бұрын
The government is not the only shareholder.
@trevorclarey3336
@trevorclarey3336 14 күн бұрын
The money they have spent on legal fees would have paid them all out. "our money"
@juliatrovarelli8588
@juliatrovarelli8588 13 күн бұрын
Im disgusted at the disgraceful way these innocent postmasters were treated. The lies told and the years it has taken to put right the wrongdoings of the post office. Give all these innocent people the financial rewards they deserve!!
@grahamlong6870
@grahamlong6870 12 күн бұрын
They will deliver the compensation as quickly as they have delivered the truth.
@garyh5541
@garyh5541 26 күн бұрын
Boycott all Companies these Liars work for now!!!
@joffey1212
@joffey1212 2 ай бұрын
Wait till they have the covid inquiry 😊😊
@edwardebel1847
@edwardebel1847 Ай бұрын
Little Britain: "Computer says 'no'."
@dEFT07Itd
@dEFT07Itd 19 күн бұрын
if a post office corp can do that so blatantly easily and for so long and under the government's watch... the sentencing does not set an example
@annelally
@annelally 2 ай бұрын
Wasn't it a Tory MP who spearheaded the campaign to stop this injustice, Susannah?
@trudilm3864
@trudilm3864 25 күн бұрын
The Director Of Public Prosecutions should have acted.
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