'We stand up for the little guys,' she said. Coming from a member of a party that continues to behave in the most corrupt way, in order to further the interests and the fortunes of their wealthy friends and supporters, I'm afraid that the crocodile tears don't wash.
@OrlandoDibiskitt8 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts!
@timwoodger78968 ай бұрын
It’s like Harold shipman saying he was just trying to help.
@anastasiatempest7618 ай бұрын
There is no legal aid.♥️🌻🙏🧑🏻🦼
@MikeRyan-vd1qw8 ай бұрын
To be fair, she was talking in the context of being an MP and doing constituency work
@1inchPunchBowl8 ай бұрын
@@MikeRyan-vd1qw Then irrelevant to this discussion.
@derekrushe8 ай бұрын
The evidence of a 2 tiered system is that no one will go to prison for this.
@Cassidon123458 ай бұрын
Lessons will be learnt.
@alananderson68128 ай бұрын
Or face any real punishment.
@Anon-xd3cf8 ай бұрын
People responsible will need to pay for 24/7 365 personal security and pay them well...
@riseandfall...8 ай бұрын
Someone might go to prison but no one with power
@custossecretus57378 ай бұрын
The lesson learned: Add an extra coat of white wash next time.
@JohnSmall3148 ай бұрын
There's an old poem from the 1600's about this "The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose from off the common But leaves the greater villain loose Who steals the common from off the goose. The law demands that we atone When we take things we do not own But leaves the lords and ladies fine Who take things that are yours and mine. The poor and wretched don't escape If they conspire the law to break; This must be so but they endure Those who conspire to make the law. The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose from off the common And geese will still a common lack Till they go and steal it back." Anon, sometime in the 1600's In this case the law locked up the men and women who didn't even steal anything, but the people responsible got promoted, extra government contracts, and even medals.
@Mackerdaymia8 ай бұрын
Hang on a minute, I thought marxism was invented five minutes ago by woke lefty trans right activists? Do you mean to say this has been going on for 400 years?
@richyjay3308 ай бұрын
Yes. The English enclosure movement, probably known as kleptocracy these days. The poem describes the state of the world even today, especially when we see the commons (ie public land, hills, forests, rivers, coastal waters, islands and other public property that belongs to everyone) being sold for a pittance, privatised, stolen or seized with impunity. All for the so called entitled elitists.
@JoelJoel3218 ай бұрын
I recommend the short poem/fable 'The Animals Stricken with the Plague' by Jean de La Fontaine
@angr38197 ай бұрын
@@JoelJoel321I just searched and read it. Thank you and best wishes.
@JoelJoel3217 ай бұрын
@@angr3819 you're welcome!
@kokliangchew36098 ай бұрын
In UK, the legal aid budget has been cut to the bone by successive governments. And you only have to look at any civil or criminal cases, and know that the deeper your pocket, the better lawyer or lawyers you can have, and at the very least, drag the case on and on.
@clouddog23938 ай бұрын
Yet the illegals get lawyers for free.
@theghostoftom8 ай бұрын
I've seen multiple cases against companies dropped because the council or police ran out of cash for prosecution. Definitely a feature rather than a bug.
@jujutrini84128 ай бұрын
The Tories designed it to work out like this.
@waynegodwin4268 ай бұрын
Legal aid for illegal immigrants doesn't help either
@johnburrows33858 ай бұрын
@waynegodwin426 neither does public funding for Boris Johnson's fanciful Partygate defence .
@matthewsarson69348 ай бұрын
Did i really just hear a Tory MP claim 'We stand up for the little guys'. It's like she isn't aware her party has a track record of doing the exact opposite.
@garyowen41128 ай бұрын
how many little guys died in the grenfell tower block
@Sally237-s4w8 ай бұрын
No one can trust this bunch ,lying,cheating no vision Tory party.they do no one except the rich any favours. They detest the lower orders..it’s quite evident..our public services are a disgrace and it will get beyond salvaging for long.
@if6was9857 ай бұрын
@@garyowen4112how many died through forced austerity, that number is 10,000+...
@travelwell60497 ай бұрын
Maybe she personally stands up for her constituents!
@robertstorey74767 ай бұрын
It was a Tory MP who was instrumental in helping the victims get justice and trying to hold the PO to account.
@grrr.99988 ай бұрын
When you pay some attention: "The system is broken and needs to be fixed." When you pay enough attention: "The system is working exactly as intended and needs to be destroyed."
@simon191628 ай бұрын
A great summary of where we find ourselves!
@isbestlizard8 ай бұрын
yesssssss this is the way
@paulallen30117 ай бұрын
Exactly right 👏👏👏
@aficio6988 ай бұрын
She has returned the CBE NOW return the £5m u took in salary’s and bonus, whilst presiding over this scandal. 💩
@jonmarsden13668 ай бұрын
The little guys were bankrupted, jailed and have taken their own lives but still winners in the eyes of Ian Dale. The man is deluded 🤷♂️
@MrTidymark7 ай бұрын
I was hoping some one would comment on that. I feel like he shows his true colours.
@lindacurrie88177 ай бұрын
@@MrTidymarkyes Dale True Blue no matter what they do and that is repugnant and gravely wrong. This little guy is a nonsense reason as to must retain ECHR
@davidrobinson76847 ай бұрын
Ian Dale completely misses the blindingly obvious point that "the little guy" shouldn't have to battle against such appalling injustice in the first place. His remark is idiotic and reveals just how tory ideology lacks empathy and morality.
@deanlowdon83818 ай бұрын
Only Ian Dale could try to paint this story as the little guy winning…
@rationalmartian8 ай бұрын
Well, maybe he isn't quite as unique as you suggest. But I do concur wholeheartedly with the sentiment. As familiar as I am, I was stunned with his ridiculous attempt to paint it in some sort of positive or even equitable light. I rewatched it, to make sure I was grocking his drift correctly. These people really do inhabit an entirely different world to the rest of us Hoi Poloi. They very often appear delusional or completely out of touch. Why, I wonder do they assume that they understand and can identify? Dunning Kruger effect? Or merely arrogance? Not that they are in any way exclusive. Likely pretty inclusive.
@tonytricks8 ай бұрын
A rare case of a miscarriage of justice coming to light while it's still sortable. Has been going on for a long time,and people have known,and nothing was done.
@monged4life4428 ай бұрын
@@tonytricks "while it's still sortable." - That only makes it more painful when it won't get sorted.
@slayerrocks27 ай бұрын
Not sortable for the deceased, divorced, broken and bankrupt.
@tonytricks7 ай бұрын
@@slayerrocks2 no,it isn't
@JamesBoslem-fh9gr8 ай бұрын
How did Johnson manage to gain access to taxpayer money to defend the indefensible at Partygate ???? Rubs salt in a very deep wound
@BillyBobJoeSnr8 ай бұрын
Politics has become a popularity contest and the TV program was the only thing that made them take any action.
@eddycurrant13808 ай бұрын
sure seems that way
@normankennith79198 ай бұрын
however, that doesn't mean we should believe everything we see & hear on tv! especially if it's about jeremy corbyn, who should have an opinion on the post office scandal!
@bugsygoo8 ай бұрын
Or maybe the British public only understand or become aware of a Problem when it's turned into a TV drama. After all, the politicians respond to their constituents. This has been known about since 2009 and it hasn't stopped people voting Tory. Time to stop blaming the politicians and start looking in the mirror.
@garymcmanus99468 ай бұрын
Agree....it's convenient that it is an election year.
@normankennith79198 ай бұрын
mind you, the sub posties were treated like 2nd class citizens!!!@@garymcmanus9946
@LongbranchOlivetti8 ай бұрын
Just absolutely no compassion from the tory. She sat there and made an election speech.
@timwoodger78968 ай бұрын
That’s the problem with the empathy disordered. They lack emotional intelligence and a real sense of reality. “ it’s all about me”.
@holdmusic_8 ай бұрын
@@timwoodger7896 "empathy disordered" is a kind way of saying "sociopathic" or "psychopathic." Every single Tory politician and voter has proven themselves to be in need of psychological evaluation. How anyone could think a vacuous stooge like Davies is suitable for government is lost on me.
@HiGGi10008 ай бұрын
Just looking out for her own as always, look how they rallied behind James Cleverly
@timwoodger78968 ай бұрын
@@holdmusic_ indeed 👍 there is a empathy scale and it has been proven through brain scans that those with low to no empathy vote to the right and those with higher empathy vote to the left. I wouldn’t say all Tory voters lack empathy totally but when you consider 65% of all people are apathic and 30% are empathic that leaves 5% with no empathy. It’s very easy for sociopaths to manipulate apathic people with lies Usually with fear and pretending they are the saviours. Fear fear but don’t fear because I will save you. It’s quite a trick. They also make out that those with empathy are crazy because of it Hence the “ loony left”
@wills47948 ай бұрын
She did what all Tories do; tried to exploit a situation where they've messed up into someone else's fault.
@bowantoia85368 ай бұрын
Can see where this is going, a horrendous scandal committed by a known, named organisation where many people were affected and nobody is responsible.
@_Damian_.8 ай бұрын
Yep, no doubt ultimately the old "lessons to be learned ..." line will be trotted out as we conveniently move on.
@user-zz3xt5jf5r8 ай бұрын
Why did it take an ITV drama to get Rishi to act? Populism driven politics at its worst.
@alananderson68128 ай бұрын
but, they never are!@@_Damian_.
@monged4life4428 ай бұрын
No it's okay, 30p Lee has made it clear it's ALL Ed Davies fault. If you ignore every Conservative and Labour post office minister who has also held the post, it's all on him!!!
@Lynnefromlyn8 ай бұрын
@@user-zz3xt5jf5r”Rishi”? When did this repellent habit of calling these corrupt incompetents by their first names begin? It needs to stop.
@exiledscouser9198 ай бұрын
Post Office should be stripped of its ability to prosecute as they appear to have ignored CPIA 1996. When I say ignored they have deliberately circumvented it. The decision to prosecute will have been made by identifiable individuals who should be held accountable. Heads must roll.
@SheilaCrosby8 ай бұрын
Alan Bates managed to get justice because he found 500 people. What if he'd only found 450? It takes 500 little people to equal one rich person, aparently.
@silvercfox73668 ай бұрын
Why is she trying to point score when 4 people killed themselves...disgusting behaviour
@enawilson32108 ай бұрын
Just look at the royals
@-xirx-8 ай бұрын
Is this woman already taking her own personal "victory-lap" over this ongoing travesty?!?
@humanpotatoes49588 ай бұрын
Which woman? ‘One collar’ or Eddie Izzard?
@davidwalsh98738 ай бұрын
When a population loses faith in the Justice system, society is on a knife edge..the UK is in a very dodgy position now..
@petejenkins55748 ай бұрын
We stand up for the little guys" - this has dragged on for more than a decade with initial reports of problems 'appearing in computer magazines since 2009 and the scandal appearing in Private eye since 2013. It's been discussed in parliament since 2015..... and yet that woman, sitting at the head of this corruption, was given an honour in 2019
@cobbler408 ай бұрын
The courts and lawyers are used to threaten people who are not wealthy. The costs are incredible.
@roymccready67998 ай бұрын
Just a thought on the Post Office scandal. In 2010 an average of 2 post offices were being closed each week and thousands have been shut down since the Horizon scandal started. Could this have been done intentionally to speed up the closures and avoid paying out redundancies? It would be interesting to see if any post offices run by convicted subpostmasters are still up and running. I can't find any details on these online!
@harveysmith1008 ай бұрын
I find your suspicion unnerving but highly accurate.
@timwoodger78968 ай бұрын
Yes 👍 it’s no coincidence that the neoliberal politicians stood back and let it happen. It goes way deeper than a selective computer glitch.
@jujutrini84128 ай бұрын
Woah! I think your suspicions are not ludicrous.
@OrlandoDibiskitt8 ай бұрын
Really wouldn't put it past them tbh.
@christinavuyk20268 ай бұрын
Sounds legit 🤔
@keithburrett8 ай бұрын
The best quote I have heard is “the law courts are like the Ritz open to anyone but it’s only the rich that can afford it”. Anything involving the government there’s always an enquiry never a criminal investigation. If it wasn’t for ITV the Post Office scandal would just be swept under the carpet and forgotten about. I very much doubt if those involved in the scandal will be prosecuted. What normally happen in situations like this the corporation will be fined,or in other words the public will be made to pay for the crime. In fact taxpayers money was being used to prosecute the Postmasters.
@dorothyblair67418 ай бұрын
@keithburrett What a great quote. Sums things up perfectly.
@johnking3968 ай бұрын
We're through it at the moment. Having to go to court to get justice for my son, who was negligently treated, and suffered enormously because of it when he was 14.. Facing denial and delay, hoping we will be intimidated and/or run out of money. Disgrace but symptomatic of all these public and private bodies. They say they listen and learn, but from my experience, they do not and aim to cover up and protect each other. Our case has been ongoing for nearly 7 years.
@cobbler408 ай бұрын
I love the way the Tory MP pretends to be an interested outsider. You wouldn’t know they have been in power for most of the time.
@Dynasty18188 ай бұрын
I love the way you're all ignoring how this was all done under Labour in the first place.
@OwOudoge8 ай бұрын
@@Dynasty1818Lol. Happening under a particular government isn't even relevant, the Post Office has the authority to pursue it's own cases and it was the POs own system that was at fault. Government didn't play a part in that The governments role was when it came to light under the Tories that people had lied about about what happened and certain people involved in that scandal were given a CBE
@kevinwillis67078 ай бұрын
The fact that it has taken this long and needed a tv drama to bring this story to the front pages where now mps are falling over themselves to berate the post office for a little reflected glory tells you all you need to know about justice in the uk.
@Gph03678 ай бұрын
Absolutely spot on Oli Dugmore👍
@leroysimon56928 ай бұрын
👍🏾
@JonathanCreaser8 ай бұрын
"Rushing to assumptions" after 20 odd years 😂!
@matherrjm8 ай бұрын
I agree! We should rush to vacate all the convictions.
@tonymaroni87738 ай бұрын
It is now imperative that those that allowed the worst case of a miscarriage of Justice in British history now be arrested under caution, charged and imprisoned. There can be no excuses.
@mdb30408 ай бұрын
Ian Dale making out this is the little guy beating the big guy… really??? How has the big guy been beaten? One person has given up their CBE whilst on the other side people have lost their lives, their freedom, their livelihoods etc etc. What a strange way to see the situation
@Ivorengland8 ай бұрын
This is definitely not a case of the little man triumphing over the big corporate institutions. It’s 500 little guys, 25 years and a ITV1 prime time TV series with massive viewing ratings that finally shamed the government into talking about this. Despite this they still haven’t got proper compensation for ruined lives. Tell me, how can anybody see this as a triumph for the little man over big corporate institutions Iain ‘Tory’ Dale?. The British justice system is stacked against ordinary people towards the rich and powerful. I always say that you shouldn’t think law and justice are the same thing in this country because they are not.
@whynot2178 ай бұрын
Mims is horrendous with her “I’m so normal I watch Netflix like you” and “Governments of all sides” interjections.
@woolmer6088 ай бұрын
What really annoys me is the post office and the computer company knew there were faults in the system before it was launched,it was decided to continue with the roll out of the system and try to sort out the bugs whilst it was being used.This was never going to work correctly,seeing as this system is still being used I wonder what the postmaster’s contracts have now been rewritten to exclude the responsibility for paying back shortfalls.
@damianleah67448 ай бұрын
oh my this Tory woman is talking absolute tripe, complete deluded word salad. She talks about not rushing to assumptions , but that’s exactly what the post office did you silly woman. These people are unbelievable. It’s been going on for 20 years ffs.
@HarryFlashmanVC8 ай бұрын
Cameron's removal of legal aid for civil cases has fuelled this
@Kirsty1788 ай бұрын
People are told to protect that name (business/organisation) at all costs but when it comes down to it a name can’t be prosecuted because it has no face. My child with Sen needs was let down by his school he is now 15 and will not be able to do his exams due to unmet disability. The school lied in professional meetings about how he was coping because they wanted to protect the school at the cost over my child’s mental health. Where is the logic in putting a organisation over the lives of people.
@jjefferyworboys81388 ай бұрын
Companies can and are regularly prosecuted. Punishment is usually in the form of a fine or payment of compensation.
@debbieharper40198 ай бұрын
Why do they keep calling it compensation, it was their own money they are not giving them anything that doesn't already belong to them
@donttrip82828 ай бұрын
The Tory MP larping as a hero for the little guy, come on!? 😂
@talby51298 ай бұрын
It's how johnson fooled everyone in 2019 and they're sticking with it til the end.
@Mackerdaymia8 ай бұрын
The little guy who made it from middle class, well educated entrepreneur to corporate wealth. Rags to riches.
@Dynasty18188 ай бұрын
Labour being for "the working man" yet truck drivers and electricians and alike DON'T vote Labour.
@donttrip82828 ай бұрын
@@Dynasty1818 boring, I am not even voting Labour myself, no amount of partisan brained whataboutery changes the fact the the Tories support that the least. Also, objectively, Labour has a larger share of working class votes, although they represent those interests less and less these days, still much more representative than a party of privately educated posh boys led by a billionaire richer than the King, who boasts about diverting funds from deprived areas to rich areas, scraps inheritance tax during a cost of living crisis and who uses any and all situations to further enrich their chums. If you cared about working people in reality, you wouldn't be simping for them, how did they get you? Was it scapegoating some powerless minority for the results of BS you voted for again?
@edmurth8 ай бұрын
I was just wishing the Tory would just stop rattling her gums, all she did was say all the things that should happen but never did. Darren is an excellent MP who if you go and watch some of his committee work actually cares about how the working class are treated by those in power.
@jn41268 ай бұрын
Dodgey computer system exist in all government departments. In HMRC they introduced an auto reconciliation process which makes obvious mistakes, often doubling periods of benefits and sending out letters asking for money that staff know are not accurate. "The onus is on them to check' they say, "you have to let the system do it's thing" they say.
@anthonysmith88008 ай бұрын
I'll be proved wrong about agreeing there's a 2-tier justice system in this country, when I see real consequences for those corporate and government bullies who abuse their power and privileges. This is only one case we're aware of. It's terrifying to think what other scandals are out there or simply been forgotten over time. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on nobody getting the punishment deserved here, relative to their appalling behaviour and destruction of people's lives.
@marktucker2088 ай бұрын
Nailed. If you move in the correct circles then you get to do whatever you want while always failing upwards. We the working class dont get the luxury. One mistake and you get sacked, one late appointment to the Job Centre and you get sanctioned.
@user-zz3xt5jf5r8 ай бұрын
Yes! and why did it take an ITV drama to get Rishi to act? Populism driven politics at its worst.
@trevorstanding64628 ай бұрын
If this wasn't a GE year would Sunak be so keen to bring this scandal to a close ?
@mp710017 ай бұрын
Definitely not
@amberwild-ms4co7 ай бұрын
He's not, he and his rich buddies have known about this for years, think about the outrage we have all felt since it was all laid out for us by the itv drama - those in power knew exactly what was going on and they let it continue. Now we're all talking about it they want us to shut up so they're giving breadcrumbs and thinking about what they can do to distract us, just as they did with grenfell, partygate and all the other outrageous displays of how little we actually matter
@johnnyshinnichi17858 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say the little guy "triumphed" when they all lost their livelihoods and some went to prison. They just got some semblance of justice.
@railworker80588 ай бұрын
I’m a Canadian railway worker. Here, I am embroiled in a similar situation as the Post Office within the industry which operates on a business model called Precision Scheduled Railway, a comical oxymoron for the ‘precision’ and ‘scheduled’ components. By any other name, this is pure corruption that has contributed to vast destruction and the loss of many lives since its inception. I watch the Post Office scandal with much interest as I correlate many of the same issues here with railways. In North America, these are private companies given an appalling carte blanch by government regulatory agencies to operate completely outside of the law, which is sickening. It strikes me, like the managerial class here, that it is very easy to accuse others of one him or herself is doing, aka gaslighting. Post Office leadership should be investigated for corruption where it accused its subpostmasters. My instinct is that something deeper than malicious incompetence is at play here. The personalities at the head of the Post Office need to be named and shamed as is about to happen with North American rail executives.
@keithheaven1768 ай бұрын
Sir Tim Parker was Chairman, and Paula Vennells was CEO while this was going on. He should lose his knighthood at the very least. There are plenty of other Board members who are also culpable.
@Vee-jc1qh8 ай бұрын
The same applies to local councils ie developers, with large pockets, taking councils to court when councils object to their applications eg when challenging reducing the number of social housing built. The councils cannot afford to defend these cases. Result: the big pockets win every time.
@craiglee30388 ай бұрын
I don’t agree. It’s political and in fact, many applications are prevented by NIMBY councils which actually doesn’t help their budgets and can cause issues with them going bust. Schools struggling to fill places and so on. Planning permissions have never been more costly and more difficult to achieve due to politics. So I completely disagree with that part of your point. The viability stuff with social housing is sometimes true but councils can and do defend all appeals and win 70%+ on average.
@joburke15528 ай бұрын
@@craiglee3038you mean " affordable" Housing, not Social housing...
@Vee-jc1qh8 ай бұрын
@@craiglee3038 Gratefull if you provide evidence of the 70% and identity which councils. With thanks.
@jasonthomas-fournillier42768 ай бұрын
The little guy got one back how cliche that opinion. The UK government gave the post office way too much autonomy in investigating the horizon debacle. Hundreds of people’s lives were destroyed and no government watchdog had the insight to overlook how the Post Office was operating with their investigation. I have so much destain for the entire post office board and the government they never questioned anything the little guy was hung out to dry it’s disgraceful 25 years this has been going on.😡🤬😤😤😡🤬
@revwpitt23478 ай бұрын
Mims Davies is having a laugh when she says they (politicians) stand up for the little people. It is exactly because a succession of ministers from all parties clearly didn`t stand up for the little people that we have this scandal. Politicians from all sides have been in the pockets of big business for decades now and up till now the PO and Fujitsu executives are unaccountable. We still have the ongoing scandal of the water companies routinely polluting our waterways with raw sewage but the executives of these companies face no punishment and regularly award themselves massive bonuses. We need the government to start holding these criminal companies to account.
@Jourifouler8 ай бұрын
If only RIshi took as much interest in this as Nigel Farages bank account
@pollytickle83468 ай бұрын
😂😂
@TheDysartes8 ай бұрын
What should have been a massive red flag when the Post Office scandal occurred was the fact that over 700 people were supposedly stealing money at the same time. Surely that should have made someone question that, and investigate other possibilities such as software fault. Had it been just a few individuals then I could understand the Post Office assuming they were possibly on the take and stealing money, but not over 700 people, that's just a massive red flag that there were other issues, one being a software glitch.
@nev77118 ай бұрын
That is very true. But British business is run by massive self promoting egotistical characters, who aren't bothered about any human. The human is just a statistic, a number of digits on the company payroll.
@knightofnii46598 ай бұрын
Your point is very valid and that is why this stinks of government collusion. In a normal business a big increase in small scale possible offences, often from previously reliable staff, would indicate a system or training fault. Why therefore would the post office investigators have stuck their own noses out to actively bully/lie to and fit up the post masters. It must have been pressure from very high up. This reeks of state criminality. As does the gong for the CEO and the almost no talk at all of action against the Post Office management.
@kevoreilly65578 ай бұрын
There wasn’t “a” red flag saying 700 fraudulent postmasters - it was deliberately 700 red flags of 1 postmaster at a time This is the insidious truth - it was a conscious decision to gaslight the victims here
@deankeith8307 ай бұрын
what shoulld'e been a cluye was that people were seeming to steal more money than they had in takings
@cha91657 ай бұрын
Also nothing was stolen prior to the new system then all of a sudden there was a huge discrepancy.
@alansimpson4328 ай бұрын
We need honest people running our country, The problem is we haven't. There's probably a Law out there somewhere that says If you are an MP you will be exempt from prosecution.
@bugsygoo8 ай бұрын
What we need is aware people who don't get their information from TV dramas and the tabloid press.
@RuhulAmin-hv5ql8 ай бұрын
It's called political immunity. The prime minister is protected from prosecution even if it means lying to parliament based on false information and killing millions of innocent people like in Iraq. The UK political system is messed up.
@JoolsUK8 ай бұрын
14 years....
@deankeith8307 ай бұрын
no tghere isn't
@andygreen26188 ай бұрын
I think we also need to take a look at the judges in these cases too. They seem to have assumed guilt based entirely on the word of the plaintiff.
@carolynhaywood77018 ай бұрын
The way things are in this country I would doubt if any Lawyer, boss, government official or any person that was in a position of power will ever be brought to justice. How can you say that the little guy won, people committed suicide and they all had their and their families lives ruined. This is disgusting and unacceptable but it doesn’t surprise me.
@user-dh7gp9hu4w8 ай бұрын
Well said Ollie
@fozzyami8 ай бұрын
Darren Jones for PM. Seems like a genuine stand up guy who wants to hold people to account.
@monged4life4428 ай бұрын
I have yet to see him not do an amazing job at anything he's pointed at.
@Angelo-3258 ай бұрын
I hope Labour are reading this.
@parametr8 ай бұрын
"You can look at it that way, but you can also look at it as the little guy winning over the corporate power". Ian is truly shameful. "The little guy"... 700 of them! 30 years later, multiple suicides later, after destroying their lifes (job, reputation, employability, loans, ...). And only when another corporation decided to profit from it.
@tarquinmerryweather49298 ай бұрын
The current Tories don't stand up for the little guys. They have broken Britain. The gap between the rich and poor has grown under the Tories!
@ianhiscock94408 ай бұрын
Piper Alpha, Hillsborough, Grenfell, The Post Office…all examples of those without power having to fight with everything they have over DECADES to get a semblance of justice.
@eljay57468 ай бұрын
So the majority of SPMs decided to commit fraud when the PO introduced a computer system to detect that fraud. The amount of individuals highlighted would have been known to PO. This should have raised a red flag that had to be investigated & not from a presumption of guilt on the part of the SPMs.
@archiemcberry71028 ай бұрын
Of course there are two sets of rules. Always has been, always will be. Our masters will prevail.
@rayglenister97998 ай бұрын
I could not agree more. What you said should be painfully clear to all.
@Code_Dee8 ай бұрын
Not always. King Louis XVI didn't chop his own head off.
@archiemcberry71028 ай бұрын
Not much fear of that from a nation which cannot stop illegal immigration. @@Code_Dee
@sgbh88748 ай бұрын
So far… History says, Don’t hope On this side of the grave, But then, once in a lifetime The longed-for tidal wave Of justice can rise up And hope and history rhyme. S.Heaney
@kevinhickey35158 ай бұрын
Darren Jones is always on the mark....a fantastic speaker...
@kfraser81638 ай бұрын
First caller was spot on. Whoever has more money is most likely to win in a court. Not exactly what you call justice is it. Also, the postmasters may be winning in the end but it should never have got to that should it.
@BOZ_118 ай бұрын
At its peak there were over 9,000 Post Office Local branches being operated as franchises of sorts by private retailers. The new owners (post 2011 privatisation) ended the franchise arrangement because they hoped that people would just travel further and use official post offices, internalising the small profits previously made by corner shops and mini markets. Just another case of privatisation gone wrong. Still waiting for a successful example because it can't be just ravenous shareholders, could it?
@kuhndj678 ай бұрын
This seems to be a common problem everywhere... I live in the US and took "mandatory training" at my company yesterday where I learned (again since I have to take it EVERY YEAR) that things like insider trading and bribery are illegal and I'll go to jail if I engage in them... yet in Washington the politicians fight anything that might limit their ability to use insider trading to profit off their elected seats... and we have leaders openly in the news pitching quid pro quo's as a way to advance their personal or political positions. And apparently we're all supposed to just shrug and say "oh well".
@starmersbarber8 ай бұрын
Oli Dugmore is increasing the voice of reason. PoliticsJOE is excellent as is his work on LBC. He has both youthful energy and knowledge on his side. Hats off big style.
@captainplatinum8 ай бұрын
Always has been one law for the little people and one for the elites. Nothing has changed.
@Crazy5exycurvy8 ай бұрын
SMH The tory is just doing damage control - the "little guy" clearly has not been listened to and is still suffering.
@fredscratchet13558 ай бұрын
Let's get one thing straight here. There is one reason and one reason only why she handed it back, she was shamed into it by 1.2 million people. How to go from nearly commiting the perfect crime to being the most despised person in the country.
@mikethebloodthirsty8 ай бұрын
Exactly, she didn't want to admit responsibility. Giving it back now is a token gesture...
@blackstter63178 ай бұрын
Darren Jones nails it when he says that this was a fundamental human failure.
@jamesgilchrist73758 ай бұрын
How many government scandals do we need to hear before people stop believing a single word these clowns say to us
@killman3695477 ай бұрын
When said scandal has a chance of dragging the world into nuclear war. Then people might wake up.
@custossecretus57378 ай бұрын
Every conviction that used the computer system as evidence, is unsafe. They should all be released and the evidence re-evaluated, which should squash 99.9% of them. Investigations should also be made into what the post office knew, when and why it went through unlawful prosecutions when they knew the evidence was faulty.
@jimg28508 ай бұрын
Nobody answered what would have been the outcome if the 500 cases could not have been found and the civil case had not gone ahead. What other course would have been open to these victims? Also it seems that we shall very soon find out who recommended the CBE and in the same way Vennells pre-empted being stripped of it maybe the misguided person/people would do well to own up now?
@janeday91488 ай бұрын
The Government has presided over a culture of contempt for working people that have not inherited enormous amounts of money & privilege ,they also rewarded people that have slimed their way up the greasy pole plus Starmer did nothing Ed Davey turned his back & the Law is Lazy
@davidalderson77618 ай бұрын
If it’s OK for postmasters to go to jail over this then let’s have the real culprits doing time. Purjury alone will Do for starters and the barristers investigated that represented to PO too.
@garymcmanus99468 ай бұрын
This is nothing new and will always be. Very sad situation and totally agree this is symptomatic and instructive of the UK.
@stevemiller46248 ай бұрын
The Post Office were high minded and aggressive, They can't say we made a mistake were sorry .
@MartinJames3898 ай бұрын
The bulk of the compensation, such as it is and for those who've got it so far, is being swallowed up in legal fees. The "little people" may have been vindicated reputationally, but only partly, and they are not being anything like adequately compensated, most of them not yet at all.
@escapetheratracenow98838 ай бұрын
The establishment has dragged this out for as long as possible in the callous hope that many of the 732 victims will have died off by the time any resolution happens. The same happened with the tainted blood scandal; forty years on and it still hasn’t been satisfactorily resolved.
@johnturner97048 ай бұрын
I have been told that I may have been betrayed and in the right but I couldn’t afford the legal charges to win any litigation so Lies led to me becoming homeless My mother lost her home due to a £25 Debt that Sue Essex and Clare Short tried to get the scandal sorted out that made my mother homeless but couldn’t If we had been able to afford legal charges the outcome would have been different sadly the legal profession are not concerned with justice only their fees
@HomeGrownVeg8 ай бұрын
As a rule of thumb, Institutions will 'shaft' the little guy every time. Don't expect justice expect to be 'shafted' and you won't be disappointed.
@HRaz1008 ай бұрын
"We stand up for the little guys" - and yet this has been going on for 24 years and something is only happening now because of the negative publicity via the TV series.
@iananderson67058 ай бұрын
Of course they have different rules always have Not rocket science.
@debnbhuy8 ай бұрын
It is the most OBVIOUS statement on the planet. Of course justice and peoples rights depends on how big your pockets are. As Ollie listed all of those disasters from Piper Alpha to Grenfell to now the Post Office even if people get a judgement in their favour it still takes years to receive any money !!
@christinavuyk20268 ай бұрын
There’s always been one rule for the rich and another for the poor, where’s that caller been living all his life? 😳
@zie91718 ай бұрын
Whats frightening is that the postmasters were prosecuted outside of the CPS, by their own team. Likewise TV licencing, RSPCA, DWP and many others are able to bring their prosecutions. Archaic!!!
@monged4life4428 ай бұрын
What was that opening take Iain? 20 years of fighting to get next to nothing in terms of compensation but now MP's have noticed it while its the hot story this week somehow they've won and beaten the big corporation? Noone responsible is going to jail for this. There is no way to look at the struggle these people are still going through and say "yay they won, lets change the story."
@davidrhodes30068 ай бұрын
A question that needs answering is were the Horizon Shortfalls deliberately targeted at certain Post Offices using Fujitsu's back door access. It seems quite a coincidence that Michael Rudkin from the Federation of SubPostmasters should visit Fujitsu and find out about this back door only the Post Office run by his wife to suffer such a shortfall the next day. It's almost as if he was targeted! I wonder how many of the Post Offices that suffered a shortfall were on the Post Offices closure list, or were run by Sub Postmasters who were regarded as being trouble makers by the Contracts Manager. In other words the shortfalls were created deliberately for Corporate gain in many cases.
@andrewcottle28998 ай бұрын
Spot on . The computer system was fine , the figures were deliberately altered. It's fraud on a massive scale. Sometimes altered overnight remotely .
@Daisy-yq1gi8 ай бұрын
There are innumerable scandals in the UK. This country is finished. We can't build scholls, railways, roads without it taking years but the big business people get millions. The little guy hardly ever wins as he or she is poorly educated, misdirected and diverted from getting into politics. We live under Capitalism, a system of rich getting richer and foreign wars being essential. And this is what we see. Politicians only show concern when a disaster happens or when they get caught out.
@fionaholland91918 ай бұрын
I think there should be a drama done to show how thr withdrawal of legal aid has affected little people. They could pick 6 different cases where you now cant get legal aid and do a 6 part series.
@cupguin8 ай бұрын
After twenty years of known issues with Horizon and years of reporting, I've found the fact that now people are very concerned is a bit of a joke. But "Or you can look at it well this was the little guy actually triumphing in the end it's taken a long time but triumphing over the big corporate institution"? Really? A handful of cases addressed, pitiful compensation, people dying before having their names cleared and the only reason there's any movement now is they've lucked out that ITV has decided to make a series. The police have had years to do something, so has the government. If this is the speed the little guy gets action when dozens of people have been unjustly incarcerated imagine what's happening when your fight isn't being turned into a drama. And even now, with all the newly outraged reporters people still don't seem to understand how this destroyed lives. That's years of living with a record. Being exonerated doesn't get back the money you lost because of that record and those sentences. It's a moral victory but you've still been financially damaged meaning the government should be talking about compensation. A process that May and Gavin Williamson made virtually impossible for the average wrongfully convicted citizen incidentally. That's why the numbers of people receiving compensation for false imprisonment has functionally stopped over the last few years but that's not an ITV drama yet so no one cares about that. It's also not even addressing the people who went into their own pockets to make up non existent shortfalls to avoid prison. The post office essentially extorted citizens, pay us money or we'll destroy your life. How many people haven't come forward yet to talk about those years of being ostracized or living abroad to avoid the scandal? Then they took that ill gotten wealth, knowing full well the software didn't work, and aren't just keeping it. No they're using those resources to fight their victims so lawyers are seeing the bulk of the compensation. And it's likely the remaining sub post-masters and post-mistresses, who have possibly already been required to make up shortfalls, will end up footing part of the bill if an actual compensation scheme starts running. And Dale thinks this is what "the little guy actually triumphing in the end" should look like?
@samnichols43618 ай бұрын
Frustrating that a lot of MPs are talking about any of this like it's new information to them. This has been known about for nigh on 10 years now.
@kevinwillis67078 ай бұрын
Spot on, apart from one or two mps who took up the case early, the rest of them in both main parties were deaf to it
@shaunmiller73708 ай бұрын
Another point logic dictates all of a sudden from a certain period to a certain period you’ve got 1000 people trying to defraud an institution, just out of the blue, any body with intelligence thought for others would realise there was something wrong here
@StephanieTihanyi8 ай бұрын
As a British woman who went to live in the Caribbean for 28 years, and came back, its crystal clear that the UK is still very much a Plantation to the upper 'class' elite., from its tools of its masters, to its psychological conditioning of its native people with media. No wonder they are intolerant of immigrants and Europeans, they resist such colonial mindset. And now Brexit has effectively restricted movement of the plantation workers off the plantation. It wouldn't surprise me that learning languages gets dropped at some point from the national curriculum or dimminish.
@stuwhite23378 ай бұрын
Absolute nonsense.
@bowlingarry8 ай бұрын
Im glad this is sorted... Now we can turn our attention to the next big thing.... The media will decide whats next to distract us
@lestrem118 ай бұрын
The Labour government were informed of this issue many years ago and ignored it.
@user-ol3xe5fz4u8 ай бұрын
inquiry will drag out so the story goes off the boild l/....
@mharris73808 ай бұрын
I lost against a Big Pharma company because I didn't have the money to take a case to court. You have to have as much money as the other side in a lot of cases, else there is no justice for you.
@sarangistudent86148 ай бұрын
Remember the way the Tories have treated the little guys in the windrush scandal.
@Dynasty18188 ай бұрын
Remember that this whole scandal happened under Labour.
@MichaelNoon8 ай бұрын
Well said Oli
@davidmontgomery98468 ай бұрын
The scandal arose because of blind faith in computers and is symptomatic of the world we live in .Greater reliance on technology means less accountability .The usual " I was only following orders " has a friend " the computer is always right ".
@tonylawrencewalsh7218 ай бұрын
Sunak , amongst other things promised integrity and honesty, so much for Tory promises , whichever Party is in power we must have more openness , transparency they call it, far far too many things are decided without proper consultation , Laws should not be imposed to suit the up ruling classes , like justice , Governance should be not only done but must be seen to be done.