Postmillennialism - Douglas Wilson | Reformed Basics #3

The Scriptures contain many prophecies, and so one of the most important things we can do as Christians is learn how to read them. We are to do more than believe what we read-we are supposed to understand what we are believing.
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[@Zanroff]

I've have been taught that post-mil is the "crazy" view that the "wackos" believe. That's how I perceived it at least. Honestly, post-mil kind of makes sense to me now. As a Calvinist too, it actually seems consistent and requires less mental gymnastics to explain away passages that say Jesus came to save the whole world. I've never considered that Jesus would actually save the whole world. I've been listening to "The Unseen Realm" too and post-mil seems consistent with the "be fruitful and multiply" command God gave Adam and Eve. It seems to me that the great commission is an extension of that command. At the end of the day, post-mil makes me more hopeful than the other two views even if it does turn out to be wrong.

[@scottyfleming2203]

I was taught Calvinism early in my salvation and God saved me from that way of thinking.. the church spent hundreds of years not believing any where close to what Calvin taught.. there would be no Point in Christs ministry of it were just to save a few he already chose to save.. doesn’t make sense.. John 3:16.. many passages about god weeping over his disobedient children.. free will.. it’s our choice to choose him.. that’s what a natural relationship requires.. I hope and pray you get away from this thinking.. I cried for weeks when someone taught me I had no way to help bring people to God.. Which is our meaning in life.

[@Zanroff]

@@scottyfleming2203 Nah, I'm good.

[@Zanroff]

@@scottyfleming2203 Sorry, I'll give you a real response. Do you think that when God spoke the whole world into existence, that he knew you would reply to my comment?

[@scottyfleming2203]

@@Zanroff no.. I chose to

[@scottyfleming2203]

@@Zanroff him knowing what I wound choose and forcing me to choose I think two different things.. what was The point of Christ then?? If he knew before we were born that we are gonna be sent to heaven or hell?

[@dmustakasjr]

Long time fan, Doug. Please please please... keep this venue or production model up, this style of video. It is very #PraguerU-ish which I find to be VERY easy to watch and engaging as well as easy to share. Quick, easy, clear content is wonderful. Thank you so much for your continued faithfulness and work for the Kingdom of our Lord.

[@PaolaSanchez-hc5my]

I agree. It's also good quality!

[@kated4359]

I agree; thank you!!

[@omegaweapontmod]

Totally agree!

[@GLPATON]

Excellent Teaching and break down

[@arclemons1967]

This is, indeed, the clearest, MOST coherent presentation of the differing eschatological positions. Thank you so very much for taking the time to produce this teaching video! I'm feeling extra blessed to have access to such Biblically based resources and teaching. Thank you!💜✝️💜

[@Jesus4you100]

I was a dispensationalist premill and right now i am still learning and trying to find my ground either post mill or amill. Great teaching. And now i am leaning toward postmill.

[@ChristKirk]

Glad it was helpful!

[@tellitlikeitis5058]

Why in the world would you change from pre-trib to post trib and post mil???

[@Amaxdue]

@@tellitlikeitis5058 you obviously did not watch the video

[@andrealmoseley6575]

@@tellitlikeitis5058 because I can't get past the 70 week Daniel passage that is interpreted by going along with easiest read on 69 weeks then skip forward 2000 years and do another week. Doesn't seem good hermeneutics to me. And I can't get over not using the easiest reading of several passages in the gospels - Jesus' own words and Paul about "this generation" and "soon."

[@jesser4991]

​@@andrealmoseley6575 Hi Andrea, you mention bad hermeneutics about Daniel's 70 weeks. Is that because of the pause? As I have studied it I find that an A/Postmillenial has to accept some sort of pause as well. If each week is determined to be 7 years which most people agree, and the 70 weeks start at 444 BC with King Artaxerxes (Neh 2:1-8), then Daniel's 70 weeks end at around 38-39 AD (just using basic math, I know there are other small factors, such as Jewish day length that makes it earlier). That means Daniel's 70 weeks ends 32-33 years before 70 AD. So that means no matter which millennial view you have, be it still to come (premill) or happened already (Amill/Postmill) you need a pause. One is shorter than another, but both are pauses. So what standard of hermeneutics are you referencing?

[@kylec8950]

By God's grace I "left behind" the dispensational Premillennial view and found the proper interpretation of Postmillennialism. Many thanks to great teachers such as James B Jordan (the GOAT), David Chilton, Doug Wilson, Gary Demar, RJ Rushdoony, Peter Leithart, and many others. It has truly led me to be on fire for our Lord knowing that we WIN!

[@kingsolomon3175]

Wouldn’t we win with either view? The victory path is just different. I do think the postmillenialists are about to have a wake up call and realize that nothing in revelation has happened yet and will be unfolding soon.

[@kylec8950]

@@kingsolomon3175 Not a chance. In the premill view, the Great Commission FAILS. The Postmill position is faithful to Christ and His commands. .

[@kingsolomon3175]

@@kylec8950 dispensationalism and premillennialism are too separate ideas. It’s an injustice to lump them together. Dispensationalism is a false teaching. Premillenialism is not. In fact it’s impossible to reconcile the entire Old Testament if you take a post millenial view. All the prophetic books and even the prophetic images in the non prophetic books would be meaningless and nothing more than bizarre fanciful poetry to take a post millenial stance. Have you honestly read through the Old Testament? The whole thing is a picture of his coming reign on earth. To read the New Testament any differently would be an injustice. Why not just let the scripture say what it says. This bizarre allegorical view of things dont do any prophetic justice to what God has given us. If disciples have been made in every nation then the great commission hasn’t failed, I’m really confused by that statement

[@kylec8950]

@@kingsolomon3175 In fact in the early church deemed what we call Premillenialism as the Jewish "fable" of Chiliasm. There is no way a Premill interpretation comes organically through the reading of Scripture- Unless you take the prophetic Scriptura "literally" , which would be an awful error. " bizarre fanciful poetry to take a post millenial stance" Really? This just shows you don't have a good grasp on Biblical symbolism. It's tough, but getting a good book like "Through New Eyes" by James Jordan helps. In the Premill view, Christ is not King, he is not reigning. He's waiting for some "throne" in Jerusalem before that can happen. Oh also another 3rd temple, will their be animal sacrifices? No NT text about ANY of that. In fact, its pretty heretical if you get down to it.

[@kylec8950]

​@@kingsolomon3175 Thanks for sharing your view. I really don't think I'm going to bother rethinking this seeing how my initial post thanking God how He opened my eyes to its false paradigm of viewing Scripture. was rescued from the Premill view. God bless you.

[@matthewellis9889]

I love the positive post-mil position! As a child of the 80’s-90’s who grew up hearing about Hal Lindsay and John Hagee, watching all the Christians I knew reading the Bible in one hand and a newspaper in the other. I’ve run from, or flat out ignored, any kind of eschatological study. I decided that I’d rather not be so heavenly minded that I’m no earthly good and that I wanted to put much more effort into sharing the gospel than watching the sky. Yet I’ve recently through a reformed pastor friend discovered the preterist view of apocalyptic biblical literature and so much clicked in my brain! I realize that according to Matt 24:36 and Mark 13:32 that nobody really knows when Christ will return, but I find much comfort in verses like Isaiah 9:7. And hey, if I’m wrong, to quote Wilson in his eschatology debate “If I’m wrong, I’m willing to change my theology mid-air”. 🤷‍♂️

[@thedude4594]

We got this doctrine from the earliest church fathers. And the Bible. I don’t know Darby

[@kevinteichroeb6997]

I love that opening quote! "We are to do more than believe what we read; we need to understand what we believe." Brilliant!

[@bobbyadkins6983]

Here's something that is brilliant: James 1:22-25 [22]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. [23]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: [24]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. [25]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

[@rawbingham]

You will never know how much you have helped me. I’ve read your stuff for years. I am a PhD psychologist. If I can ever be of any service (research, running down references, whatever), please, do not hesitate to ask. I am at your service.

[@waynetaylor11]

I really like and respect Doug and agree with much of his teaching--just not postmillennialism. Over the years there has always been a part of the body of Christ who have held this position, but I do not find it consistent with the plain reading of Scripture. Someone commented below that people have spent too much time watching TBN and Hagee. I, and the people I know who are premill, do not watch TBN or Hagee, though I know they have a following. People who have left premill for postmill and those who have left postmill for premill always say they changed because they were convinced that the other view was more consistent with a careful and serious study of God's Word. We shall see. Either way, God's people win because our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, is coming back. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow!

[@eddiebaker3267]

Thanks. You're nicer than me. I don't have much patience for well worded explanations of false doctrine.

[@iancampbell1494]

Yep, we are all on the winning side at the end so, it will be interesting to know though which of these views turns out to be right , I would start taking wagers but…you know, gambling and such..

[@johnandrosarios.7685]

Please name one person that moved from Biblical Postmillennialism to imaginative Premillenialism and I will show you 100 who moved in the opposite direction. It just doesn't happen.

[@royjmcc7]

@@eddiebaker3267 You really don't know that for sure.

[@eddiebaker3267]

@@royjmcc7 Friend, I've been saved ALL MY LIFE, so almost .6 of a century. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church and home with STRONG Christian family support from the time my mother was a girl, until now. There are MANY things that I DO know beyond any doubt. However... at this point, I fully agree with you that many doctrines are in dispute. That doesn't even phase me or shake my "knowledge" or "certainty". IF the Antichrist (man) does appear, as best we can tell, it will NEVER remove the faith in Jesus Christ that He Himself gave me, I believe, as an answer to the prayers of my grand parents, my parents and my own submission and acceptance of His sacrifice for me. Buy I know where you're coming from.

[@untangledwithkatie]

The round-table eschatological discussion you participated in (moderated by John Piper) was excellent. Especially today, I see so many of my good ole Southern Baptist family members who watched too much TBN and Hagee exclaiming about the end times and prophecy fulfilled. They were never taught that there are multiple eschatologies. I'm the only postmill in my family, and I'm also the only one who believes the rapture isn't a thing.

[@jasont79]

Same.

[@kylec8950]

Im in the exact same boat, having grown up in the SBC. I have since left and joined a Reformed Presbyterian Church. Keep up the faith and God bless!

[@tob357]

ditto! upon last mention of rapture around the dinner table, i simply mentioned that's a theory proposed by a man named darby only a few years ago (relative to church history)... a theory not even as old as the great State of Texas! ;)

[@amyclutter7259]

My sisters and I have been going through the journey simultaneously. It's a progression... first you start by realizing dispensationalism is unbiblical, so you call yourself historic premil. Then you become amil, then postmil. You sit around the table at holidays and say to your father who got saved reading "Late, Great Planet Earth" that it's all his fault since he taught us to think for ourselves.

[@ByGraceThruFaith8453]

@Ryan Austin I watched that twice and found it to be very enlightening, but I did notice that about John Piper. The pre-mill guy was pretty annoying, but then so was Sam Storms a little bit too. Doug Wilson was calm, relaxed, and so clear in his views!

[@eugeniemartin6630]

This teaching format is incredibly helpful to me, and I think it will be to others. I want to be willing to go where scripture leads. Thank you.

[@ChristKirk]

Glad it was helpful!

[@briancasey4917]

I have been leaning this way for sometime, but this gave me clarity. Thank you.

[@ChristKirk]

Glad it was helpful!

[@garycornwell2431]

Thank you very much my brothers in Christ Jesus I have been waiting for an explanation I could understand and I just heard it. Thank you brother Doug. May GOD'S peace be upon you all.

[@ChristKirk]

Blessings Gary!

[@kated4359]

This explained a lot; thank you, Pastor Wilson.

[@kevinevans8892]

Wow this is so educational and enlightening. Thank you for this upload

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

These are great for Sunday school lessons! I also really like the animation format. I thought it was easy to follow in Man Rampant and am glad to see it here

[@ChristKirk]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@PaolaSanchez-hc5my]

We seriously need PhDs in Sunday schools across this country! I'm not kidding! Our younger generations are being bombarded with pseudo knowledge and lies about literally every single thing!

[@kevinevans8892]

@@PaolaSanchez-hc5my you just need Spirit filled Bible teachers who have a firm understanding of the Bible, theology and church history.

[@palmettobouy1]

Wow this is awesome. I never had such a good understanding of post mil before

[@ArtVandelay-ImporterExporter]

@Christ Church @Douglas Wilson. Thanks. I am amill now, but am reading Chilton's Paradise Restored, and it is very compelling.

[@DallasTheGreat28]

Yes. Thank you. This is the video I will share with family and friends to explain my position of scripture. Praise the Lord!

[@matthewellis2585]

I’m torn because I like this position....but I grew up on Christian thrash grind and death metal....and premillennialism sure made for some gnarly album cover artwork! 🤣

[@faithums3379]

Christian metal was the best! And my mom couldn’t argue with it because it was Christian hahaha. As I’ve grown into a mature Christian, . I’ve since become convinced postmillinialism is in line with the scriptures.

[@Yesica1993]

Oh, finally, a full rundown of the post-mil view! This was helpful. I think I'm starting to understand more of it now. I hope there is a Part 4. I'm still not quite clear on how the return of Christ looks, on this view. (I mean, as much as we can know from Scripture. I know some things we won't know until it happens.)

[@BanJ0e82]

WOW! This video made it so easy for me to understand the Postmill position much better.

[@ChristKirk]

Great to hear!

[@thomasb4467]

How so?

[@delaremnant4317]

Extremely well done. Made so a simple man like me can now understand. Thank you.

[@ChristKirk]

Glad it helped!

[@EugeneDunamis]

Very helpful! Thank you for sharing!

[@Mia-xw1nh]

Thank you. I need to re-think it all....again.

[@TheBrotherOfPeter]

So helpful!

[@evanwilliams7152]

This was brilliant.

[@smitty31088]

Great video! Thank you!

[@ChristKirk]

Thanks, Derrick!

[@danielturcotte9146]

Great video!!!

[@robertdages5392]

Very helpful to hear again.

[@ChristKirk]

Glad to hear it!

[@nkbc5819]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@RobertoPortal-gv7nb]

Thanks for what your doing, excellent explanations. We need more of this in our language. Greetings from Cuba

[@jamesdoherty7499]

Very well said!

[@robertdages5392]

Wonderful teaching

[@whittakerdanielj]

Where does rejection of God and lake of fire judgement fit into this view?

[@billyburton4916]

Thanks, very good information.👍

[@ChristKirk]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jacobjameswilton]

SO GOOD!!!

[@ChristKirk]

Cheers!

[@AlanDeYoung]

Great ending..... Thy kingdom come. Formerly, while my spirit would rejoice in the words my head didn't allow me to rejoice in them because of my "everything is getting worse" eschatology.

[@kathyheavner3585]

I disagree with you, but I always love to hear your view on things

[@ChristKirk]

Thanks for watching, Kathy! Blessings!

[@tiasunepamri1944]

Very well done and fair representation of all the schools of thought.

[@omegaweapontmod]

I was a dispensationalist until listening to Kim Riddlebarger's Amillenialism 101 lectures. Now I believe that is the most correct eschatological position; however, I can totally see the Post-mil argument as well. Pre-mil, especially of the dispensational kind, is mostly repulsive to me at this point.

[@ByGraceThruFaith8453]

I know three brothers in Christ, each holding to one of the following views: dispensational, pre-mill and a-mill. It is so true what you said about the a-mill & pre-mill (as well as the dispensational) views being doom & gloom. So very pessimistic. I was once a dispensationalist, and praise the Lord he brought me out of that false system. I now am post-mill, and all glory goes to God alone.

[@vballgodsknow]

This video was incredibly helpful. Thank you.

[@southernpine6696]

And all of the answers To all of the questions Locked in his attic one day He liked the quiet Clean country living And twenty more years slipped away Well, the war took his baby Bombs killed his lady And left him with only one eye His body was battered His whole world was shattered And all he could do was just cry While the tears were a' fallin' He was recallin' The answers he never found Jimmy Buffet The questions about passages that bothered me so are now answered.

[@stephennelson1687]

The early church fathers taught the pretribulation rapture even found in the Dead Sea Scrolls which were discovered when Israel literally became a nation again as was prophesied and happened against all odds.

[@thedude4594]

Yessir

[@johnknox4293]

excellent

[@J-PLeigh8409]

Appreciate the video/teaching. I personally love how the partial preterist view shines light on scripture, using I believe the correct exegetical eschatology. I just have hard time reconciling the days present evil w/ the postmillenial view or alot of present optimism but I do appreciate learning more of it

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@prophetjeremiahjohnson269 a double portion of grace? That would make me double special & all i have to do is give you money??!!!

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@Nero IV appreciate your reply, I see they removed the fake scare tactic scam comment, that was before yours but gone now. If you could or dont mind, can you give me a quick view of Amillennialism? I know there are some solid teachers that hold this view, I personally dont hold any but agree w/ alot of partial preterism views, Rev was written to 7 churches in the 1st century of what was soon to come, present persecution & great tribulation coming to Jerusalem & Temple. I emphasize Partial, as the Lord, our great Savior & eternal King will return to put all things to right

[@creativekoala9721]

1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17 for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, what the voice of the archangel, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord

[@thedude4594]

They don’t want to hear Bible verses.

[@1956paterson]

These optimistic passages in Scripture could also refer to new heavens and the new earth after His return in glory. And then the new earth will be covered with the knowledge of God as the waters cover the sea. Most of the Olivet Discourse refers to the fall of Jerusalem A.D. 66-70.

[@thrufaithalone]

I found out it helps to read the Bible like one would read any other book, with many figures of speech such as metaphors, euphemisms, similes, idioms, parables, allegories, types, etc. It makes a huge difference when it comes to what churches teach and how they interpret Scripture. Taking something literally that should be taken figuratively can result in tremendous error.

[@Mike-qt7jp]

But making a metaphor out of something that is meant to be taken literally is also highly problematic. Ultimately, we get to, "Did Jesus really mean He is the ONLY way to be saved? Isn't that narrow? Must be metaphor. Homosexuality can't be wrong; God made me this way. Also, just because there are plenty of metaphors in Revelation, that doesn't mean the entire book MUST be symbolic. For instance, if you said, "The greatest sprinter, Usain Bolt is a cheetah." Yes, it is a metaphor about him being a cheetah, but is it the TRUTH that he is the greatest sprinter. So, we can't just automatically make the whole book of Revelation be a mysterious book of METAPHORS. If you look up the Greek word that is translated as 'Revelation" you see it is Apocalypse and literally means, “the action or process of taking away the veil.”

[@missionimpactalliance1033]

Excellent! Love it!

[@yakapo999]

Can someone help me with John 12:31? What does it mean when it says, "the prince of this world will be driven out"?

I have a serious question. From a postmillennialist perspective of, "the gospel will continue to take over and flourish in the world, culminating in a golden age and then Christ will return", how do we fit our current technology, A.I. and transhumanism into this perspective? I'm not sold on any eschatological position but I'm leaning towards postmill partial preterist. However, I'm looking at reality and seeing Neuralink, Google's sentient A.I., transhumanist movements, UFO's (possibly fallen angels), one world government right around the corner, one world global digital currency right around the corner, takeover of our food supply (possible global famine), man-made pestilences and diseases being released globally and I'm having a difficult time reconciling all of this with God allowing the world to continue. Can anyone help me with this?

[@Kittensarevicious]

I agree and have the same questions brother.

[@ericsenecal9203]

My brother theres a very simple answer we are in The Last Days. Christ said be not deceived there will be many deceivers and false prophets . Matthew 24 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Read the Word dont listen to men and the doctrines of men. The scripture said they would wax worse deceive and be deceived themselves the world is going into the new world order (beast system) and is obvious to see with eyes to see. God Bless You Brother in Christ 2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived

[@SavedByTheBloodOfChrist551]

I shared with a good friend who holds to a dispensational viewpoint that he really should stop listening to the news and/or so called prophecy teachers who talk about this stuff constantly. He cannot stop talking about all the things you mentioned and seems to be in a constant state of anxiety because he has his eyes on what's going on around the world, rather than on Christ and His word. Maybe that's the answer to some of your concerns? If we truly have faith in the sovereignty of God and that Jesus is actually reigning from His throne now, it brings peace to our souls. But I do understand what you're saying here, and hope someone else will jump into the conversation with more insights.

[@ReformedSooner24]

Yes, I can. So the first thing to consider is that all of these things are happening right now or in the near future, and that it is entirely possible, even likely, that we are not the “last days” in the more literal sense. That is to say, that we’re not nearing the 11th hour. In all likelihood, somewhere at the beginning or even middle of church history. Another thing is to keep in mind what Paul says about how we struggle not against flesh and blood. The things he says we struggle against can probably best be summed up as ‘all -isms and authorities that push them, that challenge the claims of Christ and His Lordship.’ Some frankly couldn’t have existed in the days of the apostles. Some wouldn’t. And some won’t exist until long after you and I have gone to be with the Lord, awaiting the resurrection. Transhumanism is like this. Keep in mind also how many enemies Christ has already put under his feet (2 Corinthians 14 I believe). Where is unironic old paganism? Where are the ancient pantheons? Gone. The only current “followers” are LARPing atheists. Throughout history the general trend will be up, towards total sanctification, with various downward dips throughout. There will be new horrific -isms that rise up out of various root sins as secularism has out of pride, and as socialism has out of secularism. Every possible bad -ism must be dragged up and dealt with. Either it will surrender and be ‘baptized’ or it will be utterly crushed and then scorned by all future generations.

[@ArugaPH]

What about the 'falling of stars'? None of those OT Prophecies talked about falling stars that Matthew 24 mentioned?

[@kennalugon3724]

do you know any formal course to study about Postmill? thanks

[@ChristKirk]

Unfortunately we don't know of a course specifically on this doctrine. 'Heaven Misplaced' by Pastor Doug would be a great book to read.

[@Stanzi18]

We need one of these on presuppositional apologetics.

[@a5dr3]

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[@Stanzi18]

@@a5dr3 I appreciate the resources, brother.

[@guessable]

@@prophetjeremiahjohnson269 wait so your saying I have enough faith/money I can become super blessed? What’s the catch?

[@Michaelfrikkie]

It seems possible to be both Idealist and Preterist... they do not seem to be mutually exclusive, at least Idealist outlook.

[@warrenchristie7729]

Is there much, if any difference, regarding future events between a very optimistic amillennialist and a post-millennialist who does not have a literal view as to the 1,000 years but thinks the Church Age may go on for a very long time such that we right now might be in the early Church, not the end times.

[@Cmdr_DarkNite]

What does it mean for the entire world to be evangelized before the return of Christ? That everyone is Christian?

[@jwheatly]

amazing video, and an amazing intellect and teacher in Doug Wilson.

[@ChristKirk]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Yipper64]

1:55 I prefer the idea of taking it the way it was *intended to* be taken, which can be hard to find but I believe God preserves his word. (And I dont say that in the "KJV only" way I mean like in general)

[@shelbycurry721]

Thank you! I hate when people say we take the Bible literally in order to express that we take the Bible SERIOUSLY. Literally would be a serious problem. What are we to make of passages that say God has eyes or a hand when we know God is spirit? I don’t take the Bible literally on all things, but I do believe in hell, I do believe we are predestined, and I believe that there are many allegories and parables to convey a major point. “Literally” is an overused word these days that no longer has any meaning.

[@saintg4fun829]

So by your logic should we to take Hell literally? Should we say that Jesus was just an idea and never really came to Earth? Your logic is that of fools.

[@rickraybourn7456]

The Lord's Prayer Matthew 6: 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. The Millennium Kingdom is on earth!

[@danelmendorf5765]

Well done!

[@joshjay6765]

Can I get some thoughts on Zechariah 14? Doesn’t that seem to have a future + premillennial teaching?

[@ChristKirk]

dougwils.com/tag/zechariah

[@joshjay6765]

@@ChristKirk thank you!

[@catmanbluz]

what about Rev. 21 and 22 no more death, tears, etc?

[@thedude4594]

Silence from these Charlatans

[@Descriptor_]

Doug, you beautiful sweatervested sledgehammer. Thank you.

[@dominiondefender4009]

Agree

[@refugeguy777]

How, then, does the preterist handle Matthew 24:30-31? 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." This is all presented as happening together. How am I supposed to take those verses, according to the preterist?

[@kylec8950]

It's symbolic language setup in Gen 1 that the heavenly lights represent those that "rule" or have "dominion.

[@refugeguy777]

@@kylec8950 @Kyle C Not talking about the sun moon and stars. I'm talking about the sign of the Son of Man and the gathering of the elect from the four winds at that time. How does the fall of Jerusalem fulfill that?

[@kylec8950]

@@refugeguy777 It's pretty involved to explain but if you do a google search for "Paradise Restored by David Chilton" find the Gary North website that has the book as a free PDF. there is a chapter that gets into all of that letting Bible interpret the Bible. God bless

[@jamesreed5678]

Matthew 24:30-31 reflects language used symbolically in the Old Testament. Instead of doubling down on "it hasn't happened yet", maybe you could explain why preterists are wrong for taking it as symbolic language?

[@refugeguy777]

@@jamesreed5678 Because they seems to be describing the Second Coming of Christ. Is His Second Coming supposed to be purely symbolic? Or is it literal? Honestly, though, the language can be symbolic; I want to know what event the Preterist thinks fulfills this. Or if it hasn't been, why two events that are presented in the text as parts of one big event are actually separate things altogether.

[@doctorh2005]

Wilson lists four of the views of the end times-futurist, idealist, historicist, and preterist. But he either deliberately or ignorantly leaves out the FIFTH (and the actual proper position): the PROGRESSIVE PARALLELIST position. The framework and nature of the book of Revelation are that there are several sections all of which present the history of the church in the world from a certain viewpoint to the very end. Each section takes the reader to the very end, only then to cover the same history of the church in the world from another point of view, taking the reader once again to the very end. Let me illustrate. Chapter 6:17 is the very end. So is chapter 11. So also is chapter 14. Likewise, chapters 19-22. In the midst of these various treatments of the history of the world from the apostolic era to the very end are chapters celebrating the victory of Christ and the church, for example, chapters 10 and 14. For a more careful and thorough explanation of the nature of the composition of the book I refer you to H. Hoeksema’s definitive commentary, “Behold, He Cometh.”

[@CleanWithConfidence]

Jesus said: "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36) This is a text the Amillennialist would use.

[@ChristKirk]

"This great kingdom is not an earthly kingdom established by carnal rule. It is not just another kingdom; as a kingdom it is different in kind-'now My kingdom is not from here' (John 18:36). It is not from here, but it most certainly is for here." - Pastor Doug dougwils.com/the-church/s8-expository/110204.html

[@legolastwoo]

May you guys do one on the two witnesses?

[@kingsolomon3175]

Good luck with that since the two witnesses won’t show up till halfway through the final 7 year tribulation. Which they think already happened. Post millennialism is wishful thinking. Nothing more. We will be in the 7 year tribulation this fall when the $audi Cr0wn Pr1nce brokers a peace deal with Israel late October to early November.

[@jamesharris3642]

@@kingsolomon3175 not trying to be snobby or judgy but isn’t your prediction wishful thinking? I hope I have the log out of my own eye because I did at one time act very very bold in my predictions from revelation while thinking I was speaking truth. The truth is revelation is a very challenging book and humility is required. My own heart believes and I think scripture verifies this: God did not give us a timetable so we can make diagrams that look nice. Thanks but I’m talking to myself just about 6 months ago so realize I’m not doing this out of hate or judging. Instead I see myself in your comment and so I’m just giving you some of the revelation God gave me of my own pride (while I was trying to read revelation 😂😂) Ease up I think we all gotta just hear each other out. Please don’t get offended at me I’m trying to love you, sorry if it doesn’t come out that way in text

[@YSLRD]

@@jamesharris3642 Yes. I spent my younger years believing the TBN version because that was what my sweet old pastor taught. I taught it to my children. I'm now much more humble about Rev. and freely admit that I don't know. This was interesting. It does raise questions and I'd love to see a lecture on the entire book.

[@thedude4594]

Be again they cannot

[@roguecalvinist]

Great video. I am convinced that we are in the period of time when Satan has been let out of his chains, and he is out currently deceiving the nations. It's the only period of time that there is no timeline for.

[@victorcritelli5790]

Ok various scripture talks about this same thing a little differently rolled like a scroll, fall from the sky, and such, But here is the thing this was also Followed by the sign of the son of man and the Return of Christ when EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM this is the thing that we all know has not yet happened And You cannot get around that reasonably

[@lawrencestanley8989]

At 13:11, yeah, that's pretty much 2 Timothy 3:13. Evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

[@JS-ix6zt]

What happened to Doug Wilson using KJV only? Surprised to see esv used

[@ChristKirk]

Pastor Doug has never only used the KJV. It is his preferred text to preach from, but he is not KJV-only.

[@tylerpedersen9836]

Postmillennialism is not a reformed basic, though. The historic reformed position on the end-times is Amillennialism (Luther, Bullinger, Calvin... later Bavinck, Berkhof...).

[@loganross1861]

Doug should only do these in front of an audience he’s best in front of an audience or cong

[@PavleBujanovicSenior]

If the world will be Christianized, through what lens shall we look at the verses that talk about the way to destruction being wide and the way to life is narrow (e.g. Matt 7:13-14)? Do we have to say that this is a reference to all of human history, and not necessarily any one time?

[@jacksonobrien3993]

I am not fully qualified to respond to this as I am just now leaning toward the post millennial view, but those verses don’t necessarily say that wide is the path that leads to destruction at all points in time for all people. Jesus was talking specifically to the Jews listening to the sermon on the mount. Post millennials would say that this applies to the vast majority of Jews who rejected Christ and crucified Him. Think of the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus said His kingdom is like a mustard seed that starts out smaller than all other seeds and grows to a large tree where all the birds of the air can nest. This implies that more and more will come to Christ as the gospel is preached.

[@thecanberean]

Great stuff Douglas. Very biblically solid. Loved it. The production - which I know would have taken a lot of time - is first class and very engaging. One question though...If you're a Preterist does that mean you believe ALL prophecies have been fulfilled? And if no then which prophecies are still to be fulfilled? Thanks a lot.

[@xanderLudahl]

Pretty hard to read revelation and arrive at being "Post mil". I suppose if you ignore Rev 19 entirely, and the gospel, and 1 Thessalonians 5:9. Hm.

[@Merinthomas4]

We would have to remove the book of revelation from our Bible to be a post mil.

[@johnhigginbotham2770]

So Postmillenialism teaches that Jesus returned in 70 AD (Matt 24:30)?

[@ChristKirk]

He came in judgment upon Jerusalem as He prophesied. But He will return again bodily to judge the living and the dead.

[@kathyheavner3585]

I don't know about the timeline, But creation has been groaning for a long while now.....

[@righteousrocker1769]

This view seems to hang on Revelation being written before 70AD. I'm not sure that can be assumed.

[@solanocanyonchurch9279]

Read Kenneth Gentry's "Before Jerusalem Fell." When I did my master's thesis, I found many historical commentators and theologians believed that Rev. was written before 70 A.D., although there are many who believed it was written after.

[@BillyBob-lt5nr]

​@@solanocanyonchurch9279 I do think this is the real lynch-pin, the fork in the road so to speak (as opposed to the "de-creation" language discussed in the video). However I don't think these views are inherently mutually exclusive. The way this subject matter is presented in Revelation, especially if it was in fact written after AD 70, then it could be a double fulfillment, or a two-part fulfillment, similar to many messianic prophesies in the OT. The fall of Jerusalem is too significant not to have been prophesied, but the prophesies about it also seem to be talking about more than the single event. What do you think?

[@BillyBob-lt5nr]

@@_derpderp Me too, since I was like 15 or so. I've only heard Pre-wrath in reference to the tribulation, not the millennial reign. I'll see if I can find that.

[@kingsolomon3175]

@@solanocanyonchurch9279 it honestly shouldn’t matter when it was written because hardly any of it lines up with what happened in 70ad. A few loose items maybe. But have meteors struck the earth and poisoned the water? Have 1/3 ships sunk? Did stinging locusts come out of an abyss to torment unbelievers for 5 months? Did 1/3 earths population die in a plague? Did the Euphrates dry up for nations to make their way for battle against Jesus? Like what part of this verse do we not understand…. “and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:19‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Post- millenielists better tread with caution. By saying this stuff was fulfilled in 70ad you are taking them away. Because it’s absurd to assume even 1/10th of revelation happened during that time.

[@solanocanyonchurch9279]

@@BillyBob-lt5nr Good way to look at it. I'm open to that.

[@Tracy-Inches]

I thought these three videos were well worth the look..... Caught up! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGPTgJJ9nJtse9U Part one kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3ypooSlrZKjibc Part two kzbin.info/www/bejne/b16bh4GqjbObhbc Part three

[@happyfullman8133]

I enjoy Doug Wilson's teaching, His presentation on this subject was especially clear except for one thing: I want to know what he means by "effective" evangelism. Does he mean all people will be saved? All people will hear the gospel? It doesn't seem to me that he intends to imply that effective evangelism is the same as God's effectual calling. Does he address effective evangelism in another presentation?

[@andymcleister.3754]

We are in the last days ,all has been fulfilled there is nothing else, we live now in faith , hope and charity, and we are waiting and watching for our LORD and SAVIOURS return.

[@christiansoldier77]

Andy Mcleister Totally wrong there is plenty more prophecy to be fulfilled. How could you think God would leave us in the dark for 2000 years with no guidance ?

[@Merinthomas4]

He will guide us as he has guided the age between the old testament and the new testament.

[@Max-dd7du]

The seven churches show us a time when error had taken root in the churches, eg Ephesus had left its first love, to hold to an early date for the Revelation presents a great difficulty for preterists, who have to account for such a rapid decline in the Ephesians. Rather the later date makes sense in that a generational period has passed in which the growth of false teaching has made inroads into the church. The great test of Paul’s day was the Jewish circumcisers, this has completely disappeared in the seven churches apart from the synagogue of Satan, we are faced with a heathen adversary which presented the need for the revelation.

[@diegovalleperez3360]

I agree most of what Doug said, except the postmil. Great video!

[@ChristKirk]

Thanks for watching!

[@diegovalleperez3360]

@Christ Kirk I have a random question. Is 2 Peter 3:10 about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD?

[@kylec8950]

@@diegovalleperez3360 Yes. Although the destruction was not just on Jerusalem, but in a very real sense, the entire old creation.

[@LRibeiro97]

Well... Actually, the disciples asked more than 1 question to Jseus on Mt 24. Something to consider.

[@americanlostinvietnam3721]

So in Preterism, when did the seals, bowls and plagues of Revelation happen and what about the 7 trumpets? A lot of unanswered questions involving Eschatology. What about the 4 falls of Satan and the opening of the abyss? Are there any videos that help with the Postmillennial view of Eschatology and the layout of the prophetic timeline? I currently hold to a premillennial post tribulation resurrection and rapture view.

[@ChristKirk]

Pastor Doug has a really great commentary on Revelation that addresses all of these questions. Even if you disagree with him, it's a very concise explanation of partial-preterism and postmillennialism: canonpress.com/products/revelation/. Thanks for watching!

[@americanlostinvietnam3721]

@@ChristKirk thank you

[@jennesset1102]

Can anyone explain the distinction between partial preteristm and full preterism?

[@ChristKirk]

Full preterists claim that the resurrection of the dead has also already occurred - which is a denial of a central Christian belief (see the Apostles Creed). Partial preterism argues that some events prophesied in the NT have already occurred in AD70, but still look to the return of Christ and the resurrection of the dead. This video from Pastor Doug explains more: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kICYln2fnJl_npI.

[@jennesset1102]

@@ChristKirk Thank you.

[@seon-gyoungadams2257]

Not the same but .., Old Testament -> ✝️

[@kingsolomon3175]

@@ChristKirk How do you reconcile a post millennium stance with Revelation plainly stating the resurrection is before the 1000 years, but yet taking a partial preterist stance where the resurrection is still coming?

[@tpearce713]

@@kingsolomon3175 "Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. *The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.* This is the first resurrection." Revelation 20:4‭-‬5 ESV The "first resurrection" in Rev. 20 is generally believed to be either when a believer is regenerated or when the soul goes to heaven when the body dies. The resurrection at the end of the millennium is the resurrection of the body

[@greatestaccesstutorialever8295]

This is a great and clear summation of pre-mill thinking, but I really wish I could find a deep-dive into some of the passages I have questions about. I just watched Right Response ministries and their interview with Jeff Durbin (sp?) titled the Rapture and Postmillinialism but unfortunately, they never got to the Rapture part. My questions deal with how the post-mill position sees things like the actual end of the age, when angels come to reap the wheat and tares. Jesus said the kingdom of God would be as a farmer planted wheat, and the enemy sowed tares -- that describes the current situation. When asked what to do, the farmer says he'll let them grow together, then when it's time, the reapers (angels) will gather the elect and also gather the condemned. So I know the post-mill position leans heavily on the preterist view of the destruction of Jerusalem, that those 'last days' are in fact the destruction of the temple in AD 70 (so far so good), but how do you reconcile the aforementioned reapers? That has never happened in history, where the wheat and tares were separated by the reapers. A lot of the doctrine from the post-mill camp makes sense and in some cases it takes way less mental gymnastics than a pre-trib view, but there are a lot of verses that don't seem to fit the pre-mill framework (but again, maybe I'm missing something).

[@biblestudybyblaine]

To believe in post-millennialism, one has to listen to hours and hours and hours and read hundreds and hundreds of pages continually to somewhat believe, possibly. John MacArthur can provide a solid Biblical explanation of pre-millennial dispensationalism in less than 10 minutes. Love Ya. I agree with John MacArthur.

[@freddurstedgebono6029]

Yes our view is historical and requires historical study. Your view picks and chooses what to take literally and what to take metaphorically at whim

[@PaolaSanchez-hc5my]

What do you call a postmillennial who believes that Christ will return after the whole world has been evangelized, BUT remains pessimistic about how world affairs will unfold, similar to how the pre and amillennial believe? Because that would describe my position in this debate.

[@inlonging]

You’re not alone, I know other postmil believers who still hold a somewhat pessimistic view within the frame of it.

[@kingsolomon3175]

@@inlonging then what is the reason for believing post-mill? Why not the plain reading? Doug really distorts psalm 110 and 1 Corinth 15 to make his view fit. He twists the text to make it seem like the millennium is a contradiction. Those verses do not say what he’s claiming. Christ enemies are made a footstool so he can reign over them under his subjection at his return. He treads them in his fury according to psalm 110. Being made a footstool doesn’t mean they are completely conquered before he returns. And death isn’t conquered at the resurrection like he claims. Revelation places the conquering of death at the lake of fire. He’s making glaring distortions of the text to make his view fit. How do you reconcile the resurrection being placed before the millennium in revelation if we are in the millennium now? Man there’s so many logical problems here.

[@inlonging]

@@kingsolomon3175 you mean why do those people still call themselves postmil? I don’t know, but maybe highlight OP of this comment to ask. To me it’s a form of “optimistic amil” as they call it, so a blend of the two, but I’m sure everyone is unique in their definitions.

[@kingsolomon3175]

@@inlonging perhaps I should’ve replied to OP. I guess this is just a personal vent session then and not directed at you. It seems to me the a post-mill stance is more wishful thinking revelation is over with and we won’t see tribulation again. If someone comes to the realization that things are heading in the wrong direction for that to be true then why try to hold to that view when it goes against the plain reading of the text? What then is the reasoning for holding to a post-mill position when the Bible plainly states the order: tribulation, return of Christ/resurrection for believers, Jesus 1000 year reign, 2nd resurrection for unbelievers judgment, new heavens and earth. I find nothing in scripture that possibly contradicts this order, to make someone view it as problematic. The problem with these videos is nobody challenges him. He can make absurd arguments that are so easily disproven with scripture, yet people latch onto this teaching somehow. He is crafty with the way he twists scripture in psalm 110 and 1 Corinth 15. He’s also claiming that the last enemy death is conquered at the resurrection, thus ending all the battles. That’s clearly not order nor scriptural to claim the resurrection fulfilled that. Death and hades aren’t conquered till the lake of fire after the millennium. I’d like to think this is an accident but someone studied to his degree should clearly know better. Does he not believe in a final judgment? Man I know I probably sound condescending but what is so hard to understand about the order to Rev 20 that people fall for this? Ear tickling false hope is all I my brain can reason.

[@inlonging]

@@kingsolomon3175 I don’t actually follow DW at all well enough to know his position, but he says Revelation is fulfilled as in full preterism? My problem is that Revelation is not the most easily understood book so when people base everything on something so full of prophecy and symbolism, which requires so much interpretation, it’s really hard to say or know who has it “right”. 😬

[@kofi7110]

So according to the post millennial position are we in the period of a 1000 years and literally indefinite period?

[@thedude4594]

So called!!!

[@thedude4594]

The Antichrist has already come and Jesus is here. 😅 it is a ridiculous position

[@johnclaiborne2749]

Great video! I'm still trying to understand the various eschatological positions, and to decide which one I should actually embrace. The weakness of the Postmillenial position is seen in this video at approximately 13:30 where numerous passages are presented as still needing to be fulfilled. When Scripture says that all of the "ends of the world" will "turn to the Lord", or that "the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord", such passages can easily be referring to EXTENT, and therefore already having been fulfilled. In other words, even in places as hostile to Jesus and to the Gospel as North Korea, or China, or Iran, the "knowledge of the Lord" has already penetrated those nations, and plenty of true believers occupy those lands. It's similar to the Bible's use of the term "world". It can refer to every person on the planet, or it can refer to EXTENT. Even in our day, if someone says, "the whole world was watching" a particular event, that doesn't necessarily mean that every eyeball was watching. It can easily mean that every corner of the planet was watching (i.e. EXTENT).

[@CleanWithConfidence]

Me too. I think of the text "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). This is popular for the Amil position.

[@kurtthurmond80]

Genuine Questions. Why are we to pray for his kingdom to come if its already here ? Why is 1000yrs not literal when other time frames given are example 40 days 40 night's , 400yrs of slavery ,3day nights in the tomb, 6 days of creation, Daniel's 70 weeks and other's?

[@oracleoftroy]

To focus on one of your examples, you are saying Daniel's 70 weeks are literally a sequence of seven 24 hour days repeated 70 times? Or are they some time period other than norman human weeks? If God can use a week to mean a longer period of time, why can't God use a day to mean 1000 years or 1000 years a day? And if such things are in the realm of possibility, why can't 1000 years in a very abstract book also be seen as not 3652500 days, but a longer period of time?

[@marejahbeleldil6233]

Seems like a very long tim until Jesus can come back if he is waiting for the nations to turn to him...

[@ChristKirk]

Perhaps! Only the Lord knows.

[@willowapodosis4661]

💥💥💥

[@matthiast8]

shout out to fnpostal

[@ChristKirk]

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