Being Swedish Expanded my brain by +400 Science - Humankind Overexplained Tutorial Let's Play ep.8

[@elsanto2401]

Potato ignoring the "render the earth unfit for human life" option for game end

[@grimmturd]

Particularly after facepalming on his pollution experiment.

[@tannerdavisr]

Literally my thoughts when I saw there was a last option that he didn't read.

[@jaydenliberty9536]

Interestingly, I found another win condition that wasn’t listed: “finish the tech tree”

[@UltimateFusion6]

I absolutely love how the map looks in the endgame! Almost resembles looking out an airplane window at a city with denser urban areas (the districts) surrounded by farmland or light industry (the exploited city tiles) and then a little bit of untamed land in between it all

[@5sparks]

Pollution is such an underbaked and blatantly untested mechanic in this game. It's so debilitating to the point that you're better off just not even touching anything that produces it, especially considering the absolutely insane potential of cities without any pollution infrastructure. They don't even add enough in the short term to justify completely killing your city with no recourse in the mid to long term. Maybe grab a handful of train stations and that's it.

[@insanity_8324]

From -50% to -100% is a bit much, yeah. With the polution-negating techs being so much further down the tree than where pollution actually starts, it's really difficult to avoid the penalties. And forests seem to be a good way to curb your pollution but when you consider that it takes away a workable tile (and you need a few dozen for them to be effective), it becomes clear that it's not enough. I'm all for pollution coming with consequences but making an entire city LITERALLY useless seems overkill. It also makes Civs like Australia unplayable in most cases. They either need to nerf pollution or make a district that is dedicated to reducing it. Edit: Spelling

[@benabaxter]

It's also ahistorical. Heavily polluted areas do suffer consequences, but in game mechanics those are best represented by a loss of stability and a mitigation, not elimination, of food. You should also be able to feed cities with food from other cities, though. Or you should have pollution limited to where those buildings actually are---maybe this is already the case. A total food loss with no way to mitigate or undo it? Ahistorical.

[@IanDoesMagic]

It feels like they're trying to make a point instead of make a good game mechanic, it's way too easy to destroy the world with a few airports, train stations, and city upgrades. The game is pretty imbalanced right now in general though so my guess is it will improve.

[@emylily8266]

@@benabaxter im totally for making local pollution an aoe thing so like anything bordering a makers quarters gets penalized or smt and if you really get out of control the city-wide penalty starts kicking in slowly.

[@TheKingOfTheHaters]

The game also ends if you pollute the world enough, so couldn’t you get far enough ahead and tank the world

[@SourceOfBeing]

One of the ways of triggering the end of the game is to make the world unfit for human life. I assume that means making so much pollution that everyone in the world dies, which I think would be more fun than a domination game.

[@andrewog3516]

I did that by accident my first game by having way too many factorys and shit i still had some turns and it was like nah you killed the world.

[@yukipaw1702]

They definitely fixed the pollution thing, now low pollution doesn't stack up as quickly as in this playthrough

[@kams2520]

Why can’t the world be like that

[@chrismueller6974]

Oh, is there a patch available? :D

[@nickvines5341]

@@kams2520 it is..

[@awakenedkom9559]

Ll Mm

[@GeneralTotoss]

totally not fixed, mine just got fucked like potato, like 2 hours ago

[@jameskeenan7651]

It's interesting watching this after your livestream where your mantra was 'this makes pollution, I'm not touching it'. I can see why now 😄

[@Zehnt1337]

If you think Sweden is insane, you should try Turkey. Public Schools are 900 science each, with the right setup. I don't feel like this is intended for a growth civ.

[@geniusz1313]

923 is visual bug, it is not displayed higher on map, with 100 pop you can go 2100 science in on school if you surround it by 6 research quarters

[@jutube2243]

Yeah, my best gave at least 1500 science

[@maskready7595]

I've had 4000 science in a city

[@OrangeYoshi333]

@@geniusz1313 So I'm curious would you say that the Public School or Research Institute is more powerful? And then Turks or Swedes overall for research? Cause I'd say Public School is better but Swedes has better overall research

[@edjbrown8839]

Surely they have to fix that. I got 1000+science each in 4 cities on my first play through using the public schools with Turkey. It just broke the game, every tech was one turn.

[@Mcslave10101]

Can we have an “Only Elephants” meme challenge game? I would kill for that.

[@elsanto2401]

get one of each before the end of each era, then stack em into one army to form elephant exodia

[@SpaceAnomaly09]

I love the announcers voice over when picking the civ with the elephant with the gatling gun

[@holyholyMariaofthesouth]

elephantes elephantes

[@laszlopohl3374]

Killian did it

[@DarthAssViolater]

Not a meme. The synergy they have between each other is probably one of the best ones if your going for a money heavy style

[@viktormora3428]

In my playthrough I found the Turkish Public Schools to be really overpowered, once I built all of them I was making between 800 and 1600 science for each of them. I was getting 60k science which is the same as 2-3 techs a turn.

[@bensrandomshows1482]

Well its still being developed, clearly got some balance issues

[@insanity_8324]

​@@bensrandomshows1482 I'm honestly not convinced that these are balance issues per se. Let's not forget that none of the FIMS (Food, Industry, Money, Science) can win you the game alone. Having that much science might seem over powered (and even while I write this, I acknowledge that it probably is), but how is it more or less overpowered than the 11k production I had in my city near the end of my game. I was building 2-3 districts per turn as opposed to someone elses 2-3 techs. Remember, the way you win the game is fame, and so, while that much science may help you in certain scenarios (like war), it will give you just as much fame (from era stars) as the production I had in my game. I feel that the game intentionally speeds up the later you get and I personally love that about Humankind. The real balance issues for me don't come from the fact that some civs are too strong, but rather that some are too weak. Edit: I do think this game has some more balancing to do, however I don't think the strength of the "insane" civs are one of them. After all, "If everyone is super, no one will be".

[@ragzaugustus]

I literally just won a game thanks to the Swedes, one of my neighbors actually got the space launch before me, but I got the rest of them and basically accelerated my research into the fucking stratosphere thanks to Sweden. Also, it took me basically 500+ turns to find the last empire. Good times.

[@stefansimonovic9747]

try proposing a share maps agreement under the diplomacy screen, often the AI will agree for a small cost. That way you discover everyone pretty early on

[@BackyardFilms2]

In the future you can hold shift to ace multiple of the same district. Not a paint tool but still better

[@billysavage9328]

Pollution ruined my game. I was playing on the hardest difficulty and when my science snowball started and I was about 10 turns from winning the game it just ended because one of the AIs hit 20,000 pollution which simply ends the game. Was only turn 180 and I had literally no way to stop it.

[@malcontent1119]

I've been following all the new Humankind content you've got and its been awesome. Maybe with your capital losing pops, you can transfer the pops that are still alive via printing armies and disbanding some in another city. I haven't played myself quite yet, but it might work

[@Burred11]

As a Dane, I am contractually obligated to show my disapproval of this Swedish display.

[@igordostojevskij2719]

Inte sanning

[@dangerous1580]

@@igordostojevskij2719 din kommentar var väldigt sann

[@dangerous1580]

Det där är bara rå lögn

[@jakobraahauge7299]

But we need our beautiful neighbours' big brains! They're supposed to come here to drink it out - with us! 😄 🇩🇰

[@dangerous1580]

@@jakobraahauge7299 Sweden = very big brain

[@rwme4698]

Would be nice if, when you got Colony Plan / Colony Blueprint, you could use them on your existing cities to build them up to the same level as the new cities (assuming they're not already). I know when I reached Colony Plan I had a couple of cities that still had quite a bit of infrastructure unbilt. :(

[@jacke89]

I think its meant to show an old city has advantages in size but incorporating new technology is costly, whereas a new city has modern amenities built into the plan. Makes an interesting trade off that helps new cities be equal in the player's mind with old cities even if they arent as heavily populated

[@MaciekMaZawszeRację]

"Preserves are a new thing in 4x games". Civ 4 laughs in a far distance.

[@kirstenolson776]

A suggestion for the devs from my own gameplay (if they read this): I would like to be able to toggle a view that makes it really easy to see which type of district I have built and where. The animation difference between them is not easy to see at a glance, so having a screen toggle where the different quarters are in color blocks by type (production/gold/food/aesthete/etc.) would be super helpful.

[@calupus4409]

waiting for you to take an ancient era culture to the endgame

[@ClandinShadow]

maybe the title should "choking on my hubris" but that might next episode

[@thorstenl3584]

You can hold shift while placing districts, to place multiple

[@Christian_Bagger]

My first run on normal difficulty I choose: Phoenicians, Goths, Norsemen, Dutch, Ascension, Swedes. Even though I had to sit and learn the mechanics, I dwarfed the AI pretty quickly. Also pretty thematically! Can only recommend! If you can’t get Goths get Carthaginians!

[@jaydenliberty9536]

Hey did you ever run into a weird inability to build new ships as the Norse? Every time I pick them I’m only allowed to have the original ship unit or whatever it upgrades into

[@Christian_Bagger]

@@jaydenliberty9536 If you’re referring to the Langskip, it’s because it isn’t a regular ship, it’s whenever your units disembark, they turn into a Longskip. It can be pretty powerful if you utilize it, since you can cross deep waters without a care in the world.

[@markeyestone9980]

Potato has shown us that the best way to be one with nature is to bring nature down to your level with pollution

[@90Redsfan]

"I think the pollution is worth it" *2 seconds later* i didn't know there would be consequences!!

[@dangerous1580]

As a Swede I agree

[@dangerous1580]

We are big brain

[@igordostojevskij2719]

Sanning

[@jakobraahauge7299]

And then you come here to lose it ❤️🤗 and you are so very welcome! Missed you neighbour! Loads of love from Denmark 😄

[@dangerous1580]

@@jakobraahauge7299 thx it’s just that the other Dane in the comments didn’t really like Swedes as much

[@jelliottii]

In order to reduce pollution, you can use technology such as Renewable Energy or Hydroelectric Dams. You can also use industries that produce less pollution. Furthermore, you can plant forests to reduce the city pollution by 10.

[@zhshsG7]

I hate clickbaits but this title is just perfection.

[@MezANonG]

when placing districts/forests, you can hold shift to spam them

[@besanit]

"I don't know the consequences of pollution" yes I remember those days

[@Coldheart322]

I love the fact Potato goes into the swedes to learn how to get out of the pollution hell he has created, then goes to war to vasselize everyone to avoid it instead :-p

[@alphawolf1919]

damn i thought my +80 science +80 industry robot labs were the shit but this man done made me a joke lol

[@Ryplinn]

You can mitigate most pollution with a combination of wind and solar (renewable energy tech) and nuclear power (fission tech). It is a bit odd that there aren't any earlier techs (other than forests) to mitigate it, or civics options (that I've seen).

[@axiezimmah]

Seems like you're well on your way to the "render the earth unfit for human life" win condition

[@rickfitzgerald7294]

That moment when stability dropped to 0 in Memphis though. I had the same happen to me in my play through, and had no idea how to fix it, or how it happened in the first place

[@crisalexcris15]

I think the devs did the right thing, this game shouldn't be balanced, like endless legend you need to exploit everything to get insane yields to beat the enemy who will try and do the same, my cities overflow with population to the point that if I unify 2 of them they will starve even with all the farmer slots filled

[@zedudedaniel]

The problem is that not all cultures are equally OP. If you don't get the OP cultures, you just get fucked. And a game that's decided by a simple race isn't fun. That said, balance issues on release is an inevitability. I'm pretty confident in Amplitude to fix that up in short order.

[@ZwoolkTheNarwhale]

@@zedudedaniel or some modder will fix it, since they're trying to add mod support.

[@JC5481]

You have Wien as a little mikro city while in my current game Wien spans the hole new world in a huge map

[@618jim]

I'm just waiting for you to claim another wonder.

[@Jacob-qr8pl]

I was surprised that, by the speed he was teching at, that he even invested into coal power when he'll get to freaking nuclear power soon.

[@Groaker]

"I just think they're neat!" Marge Simpson on railways, probably.

[@the-gari]

Basically, global pollution gives a negative stability to all cities on the map as it goes up. Once it reaches 100k it will force the game to end on the next turn

[@Chewy12345687]

You missed the last win condition. Rendering the world unfit for life!

[@matthewklestinski7030]

There has to be some kind of countermeasure, ameliorating factor, or Pollution-eating policy you can enact. Otherwise, it'll just destroy you. We looking at a Pollution-avoidance strat next game, pretty please?

[@mikicerise6250]

You can avoid the pollution buildings and other civilizations polluting gives you casus belli. Captain Planet playthrough! ;)

[@DrZaius3141]

You can tell that a culture was a bad idea if it's emblematic district isn't the first thing you plop down whenever you can, particularly in a fresh new city when you're ready to advance.

[@daran1429]

Finished a game as sweden thinking: "This is insane!" Close the game, open KZbin, see this video. Funny Coincidence

[@tomasvieira9588]

I actually played with the turks in the contemporary and got one single district all the way up to 1200+ science on default speed, its completely nuts

[@haz-mattstudio6074]

I've been having trouble making it this far in the game because I find domination extremely easy. Just did Assyria into Huns and accidentally won before I really got to pilot the Mongolian hordes. Being able to instantly spawn 4 horseman with 7 movement and ranged attacks is ridiculously overpowered, and I don't see how any AI could legitimately stop it. You don't have to have any tech for them. You spawn them with influence off 4 population outposts in sets of 4. You can split them off into 2 stacks and pillage everything to spawn more of them like Neolithic units. And I haven't tested it yet, but if "War Slaves" sends the population to your nearest outpost (as opposed to nearest city) then I'm pretty sure that the steamroll would be unstoppable. Granted, if you tech and build the way that i did and fail to win, it might get really hard to. I was *technically* losing the game fame wise.

[@JC5481]

When you reach new global pollution levels, your stability drops massivly, lvl 1 is -50 Stability and lvl 2 is -100, further than that I havent tested it yet

[@falsehero2001]

If everyone is broken, nobody is.

[@Cwdoneright]

"Sure enough the world is drowning in Co2.... but I made a really cool empire" Now potato can understand America irl.

[@neonwhitea.1548]

I think you mean China

[@offshore33]

Shift click lets you start building multiple things at a time. The reduction on pollution from planting trees is only temporary. So it's not really a way to effectively reduce pollution. Unless you maybe have a ton of units cutting them down and then rebuilding at all times. Also, if Potato thinks the Swedes are good for science, wait until he sees the Turks.

[@Otierela]

YES! I like animal too, As FOODS as it should be!

[@ag0rak451]

I've learned a lot watching this playthrough. Now i know why i failed so badly in the last 3 games xD

[@Jorolap]

Damn this bear was a bit late.

[@TheHellbeast88]

u can shift+click to multi building ;) food/production is the power at the moment....but i stil cant get why/how AI flies in science (with food civ) after industrial era love ur videos

[@sebastianpatriksson7814]

I've been watching everything u have posted on Humankind, I have still no clue what's going on most of thé time. At least on the map. It looks too complex for some reason, but hella cool I gotta say.

[@bryanfetrow6371]

if school wasn't coming up so soon I would get this game

[@dbpeel]

Hey potato, Do you know the map settings needed for all expansionist gold star run? Because I was playing on a two continent rando generated small map, and I ran out of territories I could settle/Attach. Before I got the copper star on the final era. (got gold on all previous eras). (I won that game by conquering all the AI since I could only expand more by doing so)

[@williamburcham2345]

I've been watching your videos and I'm not sure if I missed it or not, but what factors go into the cost of merging cities? I've been merging cities into my capital and sometimes the costs go up,, sometimes they go down, and recently I even had 3 cities that could merge for "free" after costing over a million influence. Is this a bug or have I missed something?

[@mikicerise6250]

I went up to 970 pollution per turn. After a huge clean energy drive I got it back down to 200 in "clean" mode. xD

[@brampelberg9335]

Wait until you pick turks and get 1400 science research tile.

[@peteydog1473]

4:30 IT'S VIENNA LOL!

[@the_hate_inside1085]

Sweden invent dynamite. Dynamite go boom.

[@Poppleop]

yeah Turkey's science output is nuts. Public schools put +400 science to shame Edit: also I know it's been pointed out but SHIFT does work for placing multiple districts (including forests)

[@luster471]

Can someone explain to me why his cities suddenly are going towards 0 stability? I got into the same problem while playing, really confused

[@Sam-tt9kx]

Been following the livestream and some of your videos, really interesting stuff. Do you feel the late game(last era) is too short at the moment, as it seems to be the game is about max focus on one type and snowball. By the time you get to the last age the various production numbers are so crazy just ends up being very few turns?

[@DisturbedOne776]

I love playing this game but the number of bugs is getting to me. I started playing an Epic speed game. The game is stuck loading at turn 580 of 600....

[@blacktuner64]

insert "I like trains"

[@drjonritz]

Forest is -10 pollution per turn. Just plant forests. My OCD...oh my OCD....

[@jelliottii]

When global pollution is between 0-60K, it does not affect your city. When it hits the low stage which is between 60-80K, stability is decreased by 50% and food is decreased by 10%. When pollution goes past 80k, stability is reduced by 100%, and food production is reduced by 20%. This will also end the game.

[@mswinds]

Why do elephants get faster on railways tho?

[@MontharKragan]

plant trees to deal with polution

[@someoldguyinhawaii4960]

Yes Sweden is Nuts - I won my very first game finishing up with Sweden.

[@rizkyhadi6151]

you can upgrade all of your unit using shift key

[@GreatDiver69]

Was that a sweet suede, Swede suit?

[@Mythriak_]

Why there's no minimap on this game??

[@bigcheesebooking9840]

I don't understand how you progress through the Ages so quickly.

[@thr4017]

Will there also be further Civ6 content on this channel?

[@BackyardFilms2]

Yes he is going to do both. Source: his live stream

[@IanDoesMagic]

@@BackyardFilms2 Really? Because I heard on the livestream that not only is he refusing to play Civ 6 ever again, he's commissioning a virus to destroy every copy of Civ 6 in the world so that no one can ever play it again.

[@phaserra]

Can you play a domination game without getting behind in fame? I feel like the way its done is that the expansionist cultures generate less fame in general so that later you could gain fame using other ways with the help of the territory you gained from expanding.

[@jakobraahauge7299]

Sweets are so Swede! Good neighbours, should visit more often, tho 🇩🇰😙🍻😄🇸🇪

[@st.p.2667]

Aquebusier sounds like Akebasier Edit: just like khmer sounds like kemāy

[@buffwarriors]

Soviets needs a rework. They are currently broken as hell with their unique weapon recourse. My elephant units from early modern era are as strong as, if not stronger, contemporary era main battle tank.

[@msboyle13]

Potato, you skipped the last endgame condition. Don't you want to make the world unfit for human life?

[@Zarviya]

Got one of my cities up to 3,500 science it was fucking STUPID dude I was FLYING through research It was BEAUTIFUL I also had a city pump out 5k industries so think it's safe to say they got some uhhh balancing to do for the culture buildings LOL

[@cacs2201]

So... People are noticing that the game is unbalanced in multiple areas, huh? Who would have guessed... I mean, after all only every single game this developer made was hugely unbalanced and the beta showed that any civ can snowball to levels unheard of in other 4X games

[@drjonritz]

I reflexively clicked the forest district and stopped the video...it's that hard to watch you not plant them...but yeah...try paying Australia first time through and not seeing that pollution indicator...

[@baziloneil1271]

I wanted to love this game but it needs some work and a bit more depth/ character.

[@boringperson1]

Hi

[@dangerous1580]

Hi

[@igordostojevskij2719]

Hi

[@justjesse4276]

* Sweden socialist comment *

[@dangerous1580]

Sweden big brain

[@eclipse6859]

Sweden is capitalist REEE

[@eclipse6859]

@@dangerous1580 wdym what

[@dangerous1580]

@@eclipse6859 you said that Sweden is capitalist

[@kolr2873]

It sounds awful, but the forced child labor civ is actually kinda nutty lol

[@ryandavis4936]

i am so fucking bad at this game

[@sslelgamal5206]

Dude, just make some more wonders for the goodness sake! Awesome management btw, except for wonders.

[@timothyclark803]

To deal with pollution, plant forests, use renewable energy, and, hydroelectric dams where applicable.

[@eclipse6859]

Hi everyone! 1st comment?

[@dangerous1580]

Almost

[@eclipse6859]

Wdym almost, I'm pretty sure I got it no?

[@dangerous1580]

@@eclipse6859 sort by new, and look at the comment at the bottom

[@dangerous1580]

I was a few seconds faster

[@eclipse6859]

Darn, it showed up on my screen as the only one for like 12 seconds

[@ygaudreault]

This pollution thing seems dumb to me, the negatives seem really too intense.

[@iuric.528]

child labor is not autoritarian, is just good and old irregulated capitalism

[@AskOnlyWhatAreTheFacts]

Game is unplayable no late game resources.

[@lucasfarias6397]

I dont undestand this game

[@1LivingCuriously]

Seems like the devs have an agenda with regards to pollution. Not very realistic given history.

[@mikicerise6250]

I was affendered.

[@peeledapples4176]

Man, there’s something about this game that doesn’t click with me. It just feels like it has no personality so it becomes very apparent that you’re just managing numbers. I just find it dull and lifeless.

[@PunjabiPryde]

I like it but can't go through an entire game in one sitting, too much micromanaging

[@Mezmorizorz]

Agreed. If yield porn and making 4 things a turn while researching 2 techs a turn is your thing man oh man do I have the game for you, but there are busted things and there are balanced things. You just do the busted things every game because they're busted. The micromanagement is also beyond tedious. Every district you make needs to be placed on the map manually, and for a good ~100 turns in the average game your cities are producing these districts EVERY. SINGLE. TURN. To add a slap in the face, the automatic city management button doesn't even have options to automate "lazy but proper" empire management. Gold sucks and you should never be gunning for it. Use what you have to accelerate things occasionally because proper play gives you a good amount passively, but the gold to production ratio is like 20:1. For similar reasons, food isn't particularly important and you don't want farmers. There are only 4 options. I don't need presets. Please just give me a UI that is F=P=M=S where you can swap tiles around and change the = to >. I'm surprised he complained about workers when you have this problem in this game tbh. Especially the Civ 6 incarnation of workers. At least in civ when I have the game in the bag I can actually just hit end turn ad nauseum. Here end turn is a simple 30 click process... I also strongly disagree with potato on them nailing the art style. Civ IV nailed the 4X art style. The map is alive and you can tell what everything is at a glance. Humankind is decently pretty but yeesh, do I have absolutely no idea what anything actually is without hovering over it and reading the tool tip. This is also a problem because district placement matters and terrain matters more than it does in most 4X games. The end result being a terrible aesthetic because it's not functional.

[@Hyppetrain]

The contemporary era is so incredibly boring and fast

[@neonwhitea.1548]

I think the one thing I don’t like about this game is that you just randomly switch civilizations mid game, like I kinda get it cultures change and get destroyed over time but the Egyptians don’t just randomly turn European all the sudden