New Commonwealth Cruisers: Tier X Cerberus First Impressions

[@dzello]

Potato, the Submarine Surveillance consumable: it only spots submarines that are underwater. At 12:19, the submarine was surfaced, he had no reason to be underwater, so when you used the consumable, you didn't see him. At 15:01, you realize the underwater requirement for the consumable.

[@ladion7285]

Thats so stupid. I dont know why its so limited on so limited ships. Makes no sense.

[@meganoobbg3387]

And don't forget it doesn't detect anything if the sub is 0.1 km out of your 8km range, the duration is pathetic, and cooldown is long - so you can waste all your sub hydro, and never detect the sub all game. And with this Tier 6 hull armor, and slow speed you cant push to get it in range either - nobody is gonna play these over Venezia and Zao.

[@danielrunyon4830]

exactly. plus if he uses watchful perk, he knows you burned your consumable and can shotgun you right after it goes down

[@danehutchins3845]

The ping indicator is also often more than a KM away from the actual submarine.

[@michaelkarkut5066]

D-bag

[@Endcsline_Live2D]

Hydro should have been the main counter to subs. If a sub makes a mistake and goes close within 5km of a hydro ship, it should get punished, just like a DD player getting too close to a radar ship. But WG decided to make it so that even the most stupid player has to try really hard to get caught in the 2km hydro range.

[@testaccountpleaseignore2653]

I think WG just doesn't want to buff German ships at all (since German DDs would benefit the most from hydro detecting subs no matter what)

[@dominquedoty458]

The biggest change they could do. Is to make hydro for Destroyers have 3km range on subs. So, if a submarine on surface or Periscope depth gets Hydro'd they are HARD screwed! As there is no escape.

[@tsuaririndoku]

They should make Hydro work like this. It will detect subs if the subs is moving at the max engine speed. The detection is smaller if the subs slowing down. Any subs action within 3km will detect them immediately. That’s include reloading torpedoes and moving up or down. Hydro will detect subs within 10km when the subs have maximum speed. In order to not being detected. Subs must be at halt not going or down. Torpedoes must not be on the reload or fully loaded. If you can pass this conditions, then subs will be undetected. Pinging will also result to produce maximum noises. To make this hydro fair, subs will have only 2s detect duration once they not being detected by hydro. This will definitely prevent shotgunning 90% of the time and force subs to be more passive. Works as the spotter. Lonely subs are dead subs.

[@wissy006]

I have also though about that noise thing. I would love subs getting detected much farther away but if they completely stop then they get never detected at max depth, that would balance it in my opinion.

[@tsuaririndoku]

@@wissy006 Yeah, I got the ideas from Warthunder. Their DD Hydro detect subs based on how much noise the subs produces. Less noise = harder to detect. Maybe makes Hydro to detect subs depends on the noise based would make it interesting. But there’s a catch. During Storm or Cyclone. Hydro Efficiency will be drop by 50%. This means Subs can be at best in the storm. However, the sonar ping also going to be 50% less effective and only last half of its duration.

[@sebastianromero113]

yup, the whole noise game in subs are simply not existing in wows

[@rigeol9425]

PQ is like the cool teacher that make you sad when he is angry

[@amaratc]

This "teacher" doesn't know basic mechanics of the game. 🤣

[@tijger5353]

@@amaratc you are new or something?

[@Stephen__White]

2:32 My French Cruiser brain is saying to drop conceal mod and take Rudder Shift Mod 2, that way you get the best of both worlds and have the smoke to fall back on to disengage and fall back if needed. Edit: 9:06 Yeah crawling smoke is just regular smoke but with a long duration set time, you only get the cover from it while moving forward. Fun fact on that, any ship with a smoke screen can do a short crawl with their smoke, Pan-Asian smoke screens are okay for it, where you quarter speed to move a bit while setting the smoke down.

[@RabbaDooDabba]

"the line that is supposed to counter subs" similar to " US cruisers have strong AA"

[@paranidherc]

I feel like people will only accept AA as strong once it literally makes it impossible for a CV to attack any ship whatsoever in a 10km radius around you.

[@Anldiot69]

​@@paranidhercoh, you mean like back in RTS CV days? Yeah, i wonder why people consider today's AA ships weak on comparison^^

[@mhbplooni5848]

@@Anldiot69The crazy part is Carriers were broken back then too despite the better AA. Wargaming just wants them to be broken I guess.

[@davidpotts7116]

@@mhbplooni5848 I mean, I’d consider it more broken that Texas AA was strong enough that it could kill entire squadrons of Haku planes back then without the Haku even getting a single strike on it before being deplaned. Broken torpedos are broken, but the fact that Texas back then could stand against t10 planes is something that should not be in the game.

[@davidpotts7116]

@@paranidherc right? There’s so many ships I would rather not attack that don’t have what’s considered “strong” AA. For example: Bourgogne, Minotaur, Montana, Daring, Napoli, etc. Armor is also something to take into account as well. If a ship has a good armor layout, then I often don’t want to attack them either - like playing Nahk and attacking a Napoli or playing Haku and attacking a Kremlin or Yamato. Each cv has its good and bad matchups, and while I think AA does need a buff, no single ship needs to be a no fly zone 100% of the time

[@Franktds1980]

Humans: "Let's use this new technique called Sonar, it will help us to detect underwater stuff and avoid submarine attacks to our convoys" WG: *Hold my beer*

[@teodor6424]

He was probably on water's surface. This feature works with submarines at periscope depth and lower

[@Dont14-r4k]

​@@teodor6424which is just stupid since irl Sonar would also detect it if it was on the surface.

[@teodor6424]

@@Dont14-r4k -> Play arcade games from WG. -> Complain about lack of realism. Choose one. Also those sonars that we are talking about aren't working as you think. I can already see this, as they were unable to detect submarines with turned off engines

[@Dont14-r4k]

@@teodor6424 arcade means the physics aren't realistic, sonar isn't physics, it's a gameplay mechanic for the game. Your entire point doesn't make sense. Nevermind that no, that's not how sonar works, it doesn't matter if the sub has its engine turned off or not, as long as it's there it will be detected by the waves and a sound will be heard from the rebounding wave of the sonar. Sonar is like radar but with sound waves emitted from the source to check for objects, and it's underwater.

[@Billswiftgti]

15:17 you can listen to a man's slow descend to madness

[@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens]

Don't be afraid to rant about CVs and subs. They're awful and wargaming needs to keep being reminded of it

[@txgator7299]

He is a CC, if he constantly complains about stuff or says things wg doesn't like, his access to press accounts and affiliation could be revoked.

[@ekuahmartreb9082]

Keep in mind that he has established himself as the "positive" WoWs youtuber. There are plenty of others who are super pissed at WG, with good reason, but Potato is trying to be as positive as possible. Just compare a Potato vid with a Flamu vid, he is almost constantly pissed at poor balance, CVs, subs, teammates, basically anything.

[@txgator7299]

@@ekuahmartreb9082 I don't even watch flamu anymore because all he does is complain, and his voice is annoying.

[@SJB117]

Watch his streams it’s all he does

[@ReDiR20]

For decent player CV and subs are no problem. Only noobs are crying

[@Geekpuncher_ttv]

Subs pings need to be 100% accurate. Let the subs have homing torps, but have a significant downside to ping the target. Then there is at least an illusion of counter play.

[@dominquedoty458]

Submarines have been nerfed. And when they ping? They are now easier to see where the direction they are going at. Still not 100% but now you can now know the actual spot where they are at. Giving you a greater chance to splash damage them with your ASW planes.

[@warssiranpacthero21]

From what I can recall from memory, the submarine “ping” that shows up on the surface varies depending on the angle of them pinging. If they’re maximum depth, it can be 3km away from the ping due to it taking a diagonal route. On the surface, it’s a bit frustrating as they can be so close to you, and the moment they realize they’re getting too close to you they can go periscope and suddenly have a 2km detection range. That’s what has been punishing my div mates a ton more now is just the perma-lit by a periscope sub as most ships really don’t have the means to counter a sub other than running away… truly shows the vision WeeGee is wanting with brawling… oh wait…

[@SJB117]

I found it cool to read that we’re finally getting a Canadian unique commander, unfortunately only 1 semi-Canadian ship in this new line though.

[@annoyance.2583]

Meanwhile EU line: Polish legendary captain with like 5 polish ships in game, with only 3 at his launch for that matter and one of them is a starter cruiser anyway

[@robgazzard4432]

Don't worry, you get all the Royal Navy ships to choose from as well! BZ to our Canadian comrades!

[@arnemurraymeyer]

commiserations to our fellow dominion - there's no USA - ie. Union of South Africa! - ( nor even any other African representation by wg for that matter), despite South African and African personnel , not mention African resources, and essential commodities used to manufacture and fabricate - and finance - a remarkable portion of the british empire war effort ! btw they disingenuously include the rn's hms uganda, which belongs in the the british tech tree with hms fiji, a RN colony class cruiser, ehich had no ownership by the Buganda nations, the subjugated land-locled British conquered and ruled 'colony' of Uganda

[@atomicANDvulture]

PQ by far most informative wows YT channel

[@Omaba_Baba]

based irony

[@Belzeh]

Are you being sarcastic? Cause it is certainly a contender for the most "misinformative".

[@ethanzhang1238]

WG’s balance team is just as capable as Mongolia’s navy.

[@joedoe6444]

did you see in the "other changes" part of the update news, subs have been given longer range and more damage on some of the subs. so once again the sub nerf is going to be a buff....lol

[@Allwin-lz6yj]

Mongolia catching strays

[@rccola5167]

This is painful. Glad I quit.

[@thatinternetguyj5222]

12:36 He was surfaced so sub radar does not work lol

[@marcuswaterson]

So you need both regular radar and sub radar to properly spot them. Amazing!

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

13:19 you're gonna LOVE Ranked! /Sarc

[@tarponharbor]

I have played against cerberus twice in randoms. Their starting smoke when they were mid-range away under attack was impressive.

[@sargisshirinyan207]

Here's an idea for a smoke concept. It charges while you don't use it. Then you can activate and deactivate it at your discretion, and resume charging when use is not needed. So you don't waste the smoke.

[@jamesharrington001]

No PQ, the ping indicateors are usually +/- 2km, I've got a screen shot taken just a couple of seconds apart in my NC, showing where two pings were for a sub as I dropped ASW on both of them, they were 2km apart, the worst part was the sub was 2km closer to me between both surface pings. Now I'd be fine with subs if they had to operate under the same detection mechanics as everyone else. The surface ping maker should be right where the sub is, just like detection bloom for guns.

[@dzello]

For your information, +1/-1km means they can be within 2km and +2/-2 means they can be within 4km. Submarine ping indicators are the former.

[@KarthikVishwamitra]

PQ encountering a ship with average turret traverse: "the turrets are soooo slow guys" Lmao just jokes and still good vid, just goes to show even minor things like turret traverse keep getting powercrept.

[@llolll1]

Hydro spots Subs. If youre only on perescope depth, you get spottet on the range the hydro have. If your dive deeper, more than periscope, your spottet within 2 km proxi range.

[@meatpiman224]

You can always reverse out of smoke with the crawling smokes, not all bad, nice to be able to spot for yourself in forward and reverse

[@ccoeltrains]

Hydro can’t spot subs because it would have the capacity to spot them for far too long. I know that as a surface ship player, it’s really easy to get super frustrated with subs, and don’t get me wrong, they do have many problems and need some serious balancing, but some hydros run for 2 or more minutes, and that would either prevent the sub from doing anything at all for that length of time, or even worse get it immediately nuked. Subs are a class in the game and they do need to be able to have some sort of battle impact and effectiveness, maybe just not as much as they do now with very little counter. But wargaming is adding counterplay with the submarine surveillance consumables. 20 seconds is plenty long enough to cause some serious damage to a sub and ruin all of its plans, or get it killed outright. The length of hydro consumables would be far too much.

[@sambotherambo69]

I feel like it would be cool if the radar was the same distance as the depth charge attack planes. Maybe they could also overtune the AA to make it more of a support cruiser.

[@carlosgomes8332]

That submarine surveillance just work if the sub is under water. Very good video as always I learn with your videos thanks

[@tornadoturbulence2037]

I’ve been getting in the habit of loading HE and shooting where the pings are coming from. If you know they’re on the surface or periscope, there’s a good chance the splash damage from the HE will catch them and force them to dive to avoid further salvos

[@Cerberus0076]

The thing with crawling smoke 😂once u slam the breakes,u can easily slip out of the smoke screen,alwas make sure you're not full speed,unless in Italians

[@christopherteichmann8104]

This is why ships like Des Moines, Mino, Worchester, Fake Des Moines (Salem) need Sub Radar. But you can't have a ship that can spot subs above as well as below water can we?

[@IceQueenNL]

yeah lol, I wish my DD encountered cruisers that only spots submerged DDs :D if a DD is in radar range it's screwed, even when you have smoke. When you're a sub you can adjust depth and tada, no worries anymore.

[@christopherteichmann8104]

@@IceQueenNL Yeah for sure. And playing a DD with all the Radar these days is tough. But dare to say that Subs are protected, and the apologists just tell you to "git good". Ok, so why does hydro still spot a DD at 6 km, but not a Sub?

[@hughejass9461]

Submarines: ruining the game one match at a time.

[@blazingmatty123]

Hydro would have made sense for spotting subs too considering that's kinda what it was made for and all

[@ryanbrochu3336]

Hey PQ, you talked about the turret traverse being slow and on the Cerberus it is, being 30s base, but do you also know that turret traverse is also bugged? I first noticed it at the end of last CB's. 30s base traverse then slotting reload module in slot 6 penalizes it to 33.9s. Then adding Grease the Gears should improve it to 28.8s, but the Artillery box says its still 30s.

[@kolla5415]

Just a reminder that the Submarine Surveilance consumable only spots submarines that are UNDERWATER. A lot players who don't play sub confused how it works as the consumable is the same on the sub itself. If a sub surface roughly around 6km near you and you pop your sub radar with a range of 7 or 8km you will not spot him as he on the surface. The sub needs to be underwater for you to detect them. Also, I understand PQ frustration about the subject but at this point it's kinda pointless to complain anyway as WG already made up their minds about subs.

[@dominikdolejsi1088]

Ok wargaming, time to add sub surveilane to soviet cruisers😂

[@jean-philippemorin1176]

I agree regarding subs and cvs, subs the sonar markers are still bugged and not having them detected by sonar makes no sense. Also radar and sonars that detects through mountain is weird..

[@Ristogod]

Yep that sub sonar find stuff only works when they are under.

[@hd3_824]

Please! Rant away! Say it over and over and don’t apologize! We love when you say it! You are overwhelmingly positive in all of your videos. But you are also balanced. Your comments about subs are not unnecessarily negative. They are spot on and fair. Keep up the great work and thank you.

[@fenrur26]

its always frustrating to experience poorly balanced, unfun things in a game you supposed to have fun and forget about real life for some hours.

[@rollwax2646]

I completely agree with you on the subs, they are factually OP and bring nothing to the game except negative, in my humble opinion. Keep saying it, the players have too easily accepted the addition of these parasites, the aircraft carriers are too strong too, it's not complicated to increase the AA defenses or reduce the HP of the planes though..

[@SnaccDaddyy]

Subs make me irrationally mad, i hate seeing that stupid ping come toward me and then find myself needing to turn around and disengage because no one can spot it. Genuinely wonder how many games are lost because of this nonsense

[@GreyMaulkin]

The lesson I learned from the Haida is that you cannot run the speed flag with ships that use creeping smoke. Ironically, it makes you too fast at 1/4 speed, and in reverse.

[@ludvigthebirb7131]

"WHY CAN'T HYDRO DO WHAT SUB SURVEILLANCE DOES?" Is the part I resonate with most.

[@old_guard2431]

Seems fairly well balanced. How did that happen?

[@tac-3382]

Hey PQ, can u pls tell me how you got all your steel , coal credits etc (all 6 ) in the top right hand corner of your screen ?. Have been looking and cant find how. Much appreciated bro, Keep them vids Comin !!!

[@zedzoom9748]

"Resources" Mod

[@Elheru42]

"Nearly 200k, 3 kills. That's not bad..." Haha. PQ and I live on different planes of existence.

[@richardcole1211]

I feel the long range torpedo's should be non homing and the homing torpedoes should require them to be within sub surveillance range.

[@Artem_Shepelev]

You have some wild expectations towards T10 cruisers PQ) Most of the downsides mentioned are either average specs for the class or better than average. The only big issues with Cerberus are crap AP and lack of turret armour imo. Good vid nevertheless, just my 5 cents

[@Michael-gp3vl]

I want to know where you find teammates that live longer than 5 minutes.

[@Swarm509]

Every 10 games or so it sometimes happens. Still mostly have to carry hard yourself though.

[@Michael-gp3vl]

@@Swarm509 There is no time to carry when you're down to 2 or 3 ships in 5 minutes.

[@Swarm509]

@@Michael-gp3vl Too true too often.

[@martinlisitsata]

I am a big fan of Helena and im always sadden if there are not subs/cv/and in very rare occasions dds in game

[@FinnMacCuhl]

Free stoicism with every upload!

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Just enough armour to fuse incoming shells, gotta keep the BB mains happy right? On a more serious note, might be viable to lighthouse build this thing

[@meganoobbg3387]

You get pitiful short range, short duration sub detection - you have to play a Tier 6 cruiser in Tier 10. WG was truly worried the "balance" (in favor of subs) is preserved :D

[@oldschoolgaming4763]

What Map mod are you using? Which gives the X instead of aiming circle

[@TheL0vecake]

Subs and CV players just ruin this game, it shows so much when you get a game with out them and it is fun.

[@kamranqureshi1884]

If you're having problems against CVs nowadays that's just on you we get nerfed like every other season if we don't get nerfed AA gets buffed

[@TheL0vecake]

@@kamranqureshi1884 i don't care what you think.

[@kamranqureshi1884]

@@TheL0vecake facts and logic not personal opinion but okay 👍

[@TheL0vecake]

@@kamranqureshi1884 you one of these guys that thinks it is ok to be in a tier 8 cruiser facing a yama, being 24km away and having a cv come spot you for free and having that yama be able to do dmg to you, with out a cv spotting, yama would not be able to see you.

[@kamranqureshi1884]

@@TheL0vecake then ban DD spotting it is the same

[@KB_13247]

that sub wasn't submerged or at periscope. he was at surface. edit: also the ping's don't always ping right where the sub is. the further you are from him the more random the distance is where the ping will come from.

[@OldThomMerton]

I love CV's . . . they are crunchy and taste good with catchup. Subs? There will be no defense against subs until we have nukes. Subs are way OP!!! Submarine Surveillance sounds like Sonar, and anything close to the surface is not detected. - And, Yes, Hydrophones SHOULD detect subs underwater.

[@evilwookiee7655]

Submarines, THE reason I stopped playing WoWs.

[@andrewsokol3116]

Perfect first run against subs. Works just like they wanted them to. Absolute garbage

[@dzello]

He didn't know how the consumable works...

[@andrewsokol3116]

I'm saying it's ridiculous they have to be on the surface

[@scweneyti2384]

@andrewsokol3116 you're misunderstanding. They need to be submerged for the consumable to spot them. The sub was surfaced in his game, that's why it didn't get spotted.

[@andrewsokol3116]

Sorry I did write that wrong, it's ridiculous they don't get detected when there on the surface

[@thesaltysergeant4103]

I like that you are both positive and Negative. Its really unfortunate that Wargaming does not listen to their player base. This game would be awesome if there were no subs or CVs. Just a purely topside naval battle. It sucks that they dont give you the ability to spot a sub if surfaced using the sub radar.

[@gaborferenc2276]

question: since we are talking about Commonwealth cruiser - let's face it Australian - how does she compare to a Goliat?

[@sardaukerlegion]

Cerberus has torps. Should it not be compared to Hindenburg instead of Des Moines?

[@dzello]

Nah. Hindenburg is a long range high explosive spammer, it just happens to have torpedoes. Cerberus is a short range high explosive spammer, it just happens to have torpedoes. You can compare it with Perth (aside from the tier), Vampire II (aside from the class) or Colbert (aside from the smoke) but within the tech trees, Des Moines would be the closest since you should be protecting caps (but against submarines).

[@Firespectrum122]

Wait, so the Commonwealth Tier X is an upgraded County-class?

[@A.massaro]

Yup same here PQ subs and carrier are cancer to the game

[@charleslynch340]

So its a Zao with worse HE but crawling smoke??

[@beqan2]

We all have to go subs and CV since they constantly boost the Subs. the 13.2 is boosting subs again, only nerf is shotgunning from 2.5km to 3... the rest.. they will get boosted, more damage potential, and more damage

[@gstormcz]

Maybe we have to understand that WG simply doesn't want spot subs as simply as other ships in detection consumable range and also they want make these tools available on either other subs or on cruisers which otherwise are played as.. idk, but not to radar cruisers at least. Idk why has it IJN light cruisers line with hydro but not german or brittish heavy cruisers line.

[@fenrur26]

it is a balanced ship i think not super good, not bad. Armor is a bit scary tough i wonder whats gonna happen when people figure it out

[@sLim88CPC]

All we needed is the line, which one of the primary purposes is being a counter to subs. But it's situational. xD WG redefining term "counter", clearly.

[@philmebeer5660]

Agree with your comments on Subs. It was the prime reason for abandoning the game for 6 months... sad to see that it hasn't improved.

[@davidpotts7116]

I genuinely think WG is afraid to make heavy cruisers that feel like heavy cruisers anymore. Take away the smokescreen, give it good maneuverability and acceleration, a superheal, and actually give it enough armor to not get torn apart by even non-IFHE spammers. Right now this cruiser can’t counter subs for shit. If I played subs, I’d be excited to see this thing because it just looks like free xp.

[@jacksonevoX20S]

The pain in his laugh, PQ going insane

[@BasJon]

All of the crawling smoke ships in the game in reverse is always to quick !! oh and the british heavy He doesnt exist either on the 203mm guns on the heavy cruiser line, it only kicks in on the tier 9 and 10 ships with the 234mm guns. Oh and the prem Cheshire has the 234mm guns with the heavy he pen...

[@MSgtRazor]

15s after upload? lets see what we got

[@aleksra7766]

Im getting Albemarle vibe.... only with smoke

[@wilkatis]

12:10 - surely you are aware that sub surveillance requires the sub to be submerged?

[@smh6926]

Submarines, perfect additions to the game or so I'd actually agree with if they allowed hydro to auto-detect any submarine within the ship detectability range regardless of depth (cus that's what it was actually used for). Instead we get this shitty consumable that only does its job if they're underwater (does NOT make any sense). Somehow my dad who only plays Co-op supports this shit and the only thing that runs through my brain is "go soil yourself or play some random and tell me how fun it is" (he refuses to play randoms for very stupid reasons that can all be avoided through settings).

[@grappo77]

Im just hoping another dev. goes in and takes the steering wheel of naval combat games. And be more accurate about it. like radars not passing mountains, hydro actually spot by sound etc.

[@VgnTeupo]

Sub detekt, weak armor, he specialist, torps, I rather play my zao for that. I just trade smoke for accuracy

[@hannosan]

According to the latest research, 94% of the world's population would also watch these videos if they were all hate-subs-vids.

[@j_Snow]

I'm praying for this patch to end soon, wargaming announced the "nerfs" on submarines and it looks like the cockroaches decided to come out of the woodwork, every game has a submarine in this patch

[@dzello]

You're mistaken: Wargaming is not nerfing submarines. Submarines have the lowest game impact of all classes so the first submarine change patch got buffs as well (13.1), the second submarine change patch got buffs as well (13.2), and the third submarine change patch which they haven't covered yet is exclusively buffs as well (13.3? 13.4?). This is like January to June? Wargaming made it easier to interact with submarines, but they intend to make them better, so you should expect a lot more people to start playing more submarines.

[@blackmirroxx]

Hydro does only against subs when submerged

[@chronographer]

Think I'll stick with the Brisbane. Also why is it called Cerberus when it has 4 turrets with 2 guns each... lol

[@TheShadowAdmiral]

Amen, brother. Preach it.

[@aokaze-minotaur]

Why does Zao still exist

[@TheBigGiant_SpaceChiken]

I hate CVs and Subs too...to the point where I just stopped playing. Instead of having fun, I would feel nothing but frustration in not having the correct tools to deal wirth CVs and subs.

[@thepaperbagmask]

They probably want you to team up with a radar ship to make sure to spot a sub in an area, and then all your depth charges will miss anyway cause of the maneuverability buff lmao

[@dzello]

Nah, you don't need to. The trick is to be near a cap where a submarine wlil inevitably dive and trigger the Submarine Surveillance so your team airstrikes it. It doesn't matter if the submarine can surface to avoid it, the airstrikes will already be launched, so no need for Surveillance Radar as well.

[@txgator7299]

What is this nerf that was actually a buff that everyone is talking about?

[@sillysaili]

they gave more cruisers sub surveillance, buffed some asw (well, more like brought the bad asw like ohio back up to normal for the tier asw), and changed hydrophone ...but they also made subs significantly more maneuverable so even if you can see them, it's hard to actually get depth charge hits so overall it was mostly a sub buff

[@maxpruss-m5q]

hey PQ, agree with your rant, love your videos!

[@JarlSeamus]

Subs Suck. The ping needs to be right on top of them. They have a terribly toxic mechanic

[@vykjulius8135]

Really potato, why compare to Des Moines? She has 12 203s, you should compare to Zao and Hindy.

[@nguyenthinh6353]

How can you redistribute without costing?

[@firefox577]

Can't, it does become easier as the account gets older because your pool of maxed out captains on premiums/ships you play increases. Though I understand that does not help you now. Every time they do a captain skill update they offer free resets, so keep an eye out for then if you want to experiment with builds, though its easier to just look them up rather than speccing random skills.

[@mikew8214]

Big clumsy cruiser that has to get within 8km to detect subs. GG WG /s

[@saintchai20]

Stupidly weak ship against a sub. Ive encountered Cerberus numerous times on a U4501 and i just laughed at them so hard while nuking them everytime.

[@shipness]

Sub was on the surface

[@newcomerj3095]

And till today there are people still thinks sub are balanced. Imagine giving DD a consumables, that could last 5 mins, and when this consumables is active he is immune to radar, hydro can only detect in 2 km, and you cannot be hit by any shells. If you think that is stupid than we are on the same boat.

[@1Tankmarine]

Are you trying to be modest? Almost 200k for first impression is definitely IMO not bad... it's an understatement.

[@CarMADforever]

I find it odd that PQ kept comparing this to relatively irrelevant cruisers; DesMo is a CL masquerading as a CA, of course it's gonna out DPM this one this comparison tells me diddly dick all, Goliath has bigger guns and is specifically designed around dropping the fattest HE salvos. Surely the most direct comparison would be Zao, 12 x 203mm without distinct gimmicks (looking at you Hinden, with the 1/4 HE pen)

[@Mr_King96]

WG "Don't worry guys, we're gonna nerf subs" wink wink, nudge nudge

[@richardburger4859]

I certainly agree on the sub surveillance usefulness, if it spots subs should spot them everywhere. As for why they just didnt give them a hydro with range, well DDs would be wrecked, so have to protect them i guess. But no excuse for the sub surveillance issue. I dont see me rushing out to get this boat, slow turrets, lack luster AP, got plenty of HE spammers.

[@odinsrensen7460]

Oh boy, I can't wait for SUPERSUBS! :-)

[@dalenielsen8651]

Before subs, I remember when the game was fun.

[@Obst]

Personal guess: about five to seven more videos until PQ breaks down from all the sub bullshittery and goes on an extended break. Because in about five videos 13.2 will hit with even more sub buffs. Yeah, shotgunning gets nerfed but I already see plenty of subs practicing playing without relying on shotgunning (including myself, because I practice sub-hunting as sub). And, oh boy, with the buffs to the non-shotgunning playstyle it will be hilarious (hilarious here means HELL). The one hilarious thing (ok, still in the way of "retarded") is that a lot of sub-vs-sub combat gets actually nerfed by the torpedo gradual damage changes, so your team's subs won't be able to help as much against the opponent's subs as before, which may lead to subs harrassing surface ships even more. Genius, WG, genius! Please look forward to it.

[@mr.skully8787]

subs are not going away anytime soon and wg is not even trying to hide it

[@EvoraGT430]

They'd rather the players went away, apparently.