We gotta talk about this torque plate deal.....

[@darinmorgan3520]

Very intelligent, well thought out reply to this topic. The problem with my statement about TQ plates refer to engines producing 2.5 hp/cid or higher. Very efficient high revving engines with rings .026 thick are extremely touchy in regards to ring seal and .0002 is a target tolerance. This man is 109% correct on the context and points he brings up. One major point here is, he didn’t pay for it. Second point about the .0004-.0005. Variance for a stock or mild performance engine is, as he stated, insignificant. I remember saying the comment about not using TQ plates and being on drugs. I said it. I was ignorant of the context here and should have asks for specifics before I shot my mouth off. Context matters

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty for clarification on your statement and I really appreciate you taking the time to chime in and set the record straight!

[@thejackofeverything7961]

Probably makes the factory hone look like hot garbage any way lol

[@r.peters4314]

@@thejackofeverything7961 ❤

[@flexmasterson4297]

Folks need to give all of their argument parameters to the gentleman when they make their argument, or it wastes a lot of the gentleman’s time, which he is giving out free of charge on KZbin along with his trade knowledge and tricks and dos and songs and so forth.

[@Mr688895]

The really sad thing that got missed here is no one that I saw asked the going rate of unicorn farts. Seems to me catching and bottling that for resale would be extremely expensive not to mention time consuming. Keep up the great work and the great videos and thank you for the time.

[@Theunknowndevice]

I came for the torque plate knowledge and stayed watching for the short bus jokes

[@powellmachineinc]

Lol

[@hackaboom]

same.

[@NickKautz]

When someone says "I learned from so and so" it makes me think they don't actually understand what they are doing. Because if they did, their knowledge would have surpassed whoever taught them by now and they wouldn't need or want to depend on someone else for credibility.

[@Group_Anonymous]

Hwhat is a torque plate??? 🫨

[@NickKautz]

@@garlandjones7709 We all learn from other people, good and bad. But I think if I can't prove myself with only logic of the matter at hand, I probably don't know it well enough.

[@jonelford]

Gotta love the internet experts that have never done anything but dingleball their small block. I admire your ability to stay calm! Keep preaching reality, brother.

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty!!

[@brianf8621]

But they dingleballed with a torque plate. 😂😂

[@jonelford]

@@brianf8621 As well they should! 😂

[@billweston6579]

You gotta love the internet and it’s information. How many manufacturers use torque plates when manufacturing new engines. Lol

[@stevebates5973]

@@billweston6579 Yeah, the manufacturers don't waste the time torque plate the engine to begin with. Why do it for the wifes Tahoe?

[@realsteel7631]

There's nothing wrong with responding to comments or making a video like this one to respond to them. It's actually helpful and informative when you respond. Most of us appreciate the response as it helps us further our knowledge.

[@powellmachineinc]

Thank you! I agree

[@OBD01]

Two of the reasons I pay people is for their knowledge and experience. One thing money cannot buy is integrity.

[@powellmachineinc]

Facts

[@logancarter2134]

Exactly!!!

[@logancarter2134]

Exactly!!!

[@scottbarron1427]

I agree with you 100%. The other side of commenters is, if you were Torque plate honing stock blocks... they'd be calling you a rip off atrist and accusing you of padding the bill. Couple of years ago, my LC9 ate a lifter. While I had the heads off, I had them surfaced and my exhaust manifolds belt sanded. This is a work truck. No mee seats, no new guides, no nee springs. Dropped the heads off on Monday got em back on Wednesday. Truck was running again on Thursday. Machine shop charged me 300 bucks. It aint a race car, and every minute its not on the road costs me money. I didn't have 2 weeks to wait for all that to be done. For what a 15 year old truck with 200k miles on it? Thank God there's honest machinists like you out there.

[@powellmachineinc]

Thank you sir!!

[@bigjim8088]

Exactly some people just dont know anything other than what they have read or seen with certain vehicles. With most common situations its not necessary to go all out people just want it to run good. They dont want a race car.

[@SemperMortem]

right?? I had people jumping down my ass when I said putting a torque plate on my toyota v6 aint gonna do shit. It's got 130hp on a good day with 350k on it. Getting a torque plated hone will cost me the same as getting another motor down at picknpull. lol

[@2005tmonkey]

Yeah i agree. It's like dealing with a woman. No matter what you do it's wrong. So just do what you think is right.

[@MattOBrien-lm6pe]

100% agree with this 🙌. I'm an engine reconditioner in Australia 🇦🇺 and had my own business but got sick of dealing with these type of wankers who know more (with no trade qualifications) or know a friend that can do it cheaper. That's why I shut my business down, kept all my machines and now just machine my own race engines. keep up the good work mate, love your videos👍👍👍

[@Steelhorse741]

I couldn’t have been dignified in schooling keyboard warriors the way you have. Kudos.

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty 100

[@Moparmaga-1]

Was the guys name Bob Mopar ?​@@powellmachineinc

[@stevebates5973]

@@powellmachineinc he means that he wouldn't have been as kind as you were in describing how idiotic the one demanding a torque plate hone on grannies LS wagon.../

[@markthegunplumber8376]

Dad used to say "A little Bit of Knowledge is a Dangerous Thing" and "Those who think they know what they are doing, piss off those of us who do"

[@hackaboom]

aint that the truth.

[@skylinefever]

People on reddit and 4chan call those know it alls midwits.

[@Scummy_shovel]

Goes with what my grandfather told me. “Education is expensive. Regardless of how you get it. If it’s knowledge worth having it’s going to cost you something. Some how. Some way. You’re paying”. And it’s usually with experience

[@gags730]

Great Comment. Since the invention of things like KZbin I have never met more people in my life that are 'Experts' on not just 1 thing but many and yet have never done the work or job EVER.... Watching a couple of hours of Surgery does not make anyone a Brain Surgeon. If you read the comments you wonder why anyone would have a problem finding a machinist, a mechanic, a transmission guy etc. I'm shocked I don't see Lathes and Milling machines thrown out on every block and find Mitutoyo Calipers and Starett micrometers at every garage sale or auction you go to 😂 With all these experts I am shocked anything is broken anywhere! I gotta run because I have to watch two videos on how a build an addition and remodel my kitchen so that I know more than the guy who is doing work on my house with 25 years experience. The wife said I was too busy, so I had to subcontract that part of my life out! hahaha! She didnt do it because I don't have the experience, as she knows I can get all that in just a weekend on KZbin like all tyhe other experts out there! hahaha

[@deankay4434]

I enjoy his story telling as well as the way it’s explained. The 0.00041” out of round is smaller than a fly turd on a pepper flake! Kick a 11 foot alligator to see if that makes him happy.

[@advancedautomotivemachine4791]

As a machine shop owner I simply cannot thank you enough for this video !!!!! And your other videos. Keep it up :)

[@powellmachineinc]

Thanks for watching! And ur very welcome!

[@strokermaverick]

Excellent explanation, on the context subject. When, something needs to be done and when it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Thank you, Daniel.

[@powellmachineinc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@zacharymccracken6417]

Some people see all this stuff on KZbin and don't understand that building high end race engines is a completely different thing than building daily drivers, or hacking together used parts to get a broke customer back on the road. Keep getting it done man.

[@andrewslagle1974]

Or a budget weekend race car !

[@VinnyMartello]

Exactly. I’ve dingled and Jerry-rigged plenty of old small blocks to keep them running. I’ve done full rebuilds and I just eyeballed the crankshaft and said “yeah it looks okay” and slapped on new bearings. Said motor is already 3000 miles into the hillbilly rebuild and runs better than it ever has (in my memory).

[@celestialmachine]

This. Its insane to me reading what some people suggest to do to a DD. The tolerancecs and pressures are just so wildly different than a fully built, sleeved, girdled, billet block that its just incomparable. I'm not building a 9 second car with a stroker that hits 8.5k. I'm trying to have fun heading to the grocery store or out on a country drive.

[@karltite128]

Ever witnessed a shade tree rebuild on a daily that works just fine? Then you have witnessed a reality.

[@timothybayliss6680]

We rebuilt a roller block 302 ford for a demo derby car, the block was from one of my cars and had been overheated really badly twice. It had almost 0.040 piston to wall after a really hard run with a glazebreaker. It was really noisy but had good oil pressure. Derby cars get really hot, especially if the rad gets popped, having a mile of piston clearance keeps them from seizing when the water leaves and things start to cook.

[@timothybayliss6680]

I watched a video of a guy building a BMW s38 inline six. The head bolts are more than an inch from the bores. He had a torque plate made before he honed it. I dont think that he had 4/10 change. It was almost none. Look what happens to the bores on a 400/440 mopar with a torque plate, the head bolt threads are almost in the cylinder wall. Youre right about giving the customer what they need, i know one guy that will not swap a piston on a stock engine for another stock piston without balancing the rotating assembly. It was a head gasket/hydrolock issue and it pinched the rings. I told him to just grab a $20 used piston/rod off ebay to get it running and he wanted to pull the whole thing down and balance...the stock pistons and rods. It was like arguing with mud trying to tell him that he was wasting a huge amount of resources to get a stock truck engine running again.

[@powellmachineinc]

Absolutely

[@NBSV1]

People like that would probably be shocked if they saw the tolerance on piston and rod weights in a stock engine. They think everything needs to match to the hundredth of a gram or else the engine is going to rattle itself apart.

[@timothybayliss6680]

​@@NBSV1i even linked a magazine article showing that for most stuff under 6k rpm that 1/4oz inch is probably fine. You arent gonna notice that at 2200rpm on the freeway. Its already 100+k miles old and just needs to get going.

[@flexmasterson4297]

Very decent of this gentleman to share his several decades of experience building and fixing combustion engines so us weekend warriors know where to spend our pennies and where not to spend our pennies. Thank you, Sir.

[@powellmachineinc]

Well said!

[@paul44235]

Best damn engine machining channel on the tube!

[@powellmachineinc]

Idk about that's, but I do appreciate the encouragement!

[@Expedition18]

Got that right.👍

[@logancarter2134]

YEP!!!

[@richardlapoint1845]

​@powellmachineinc3179 machining is a lost art. Aren't alot of good machine shops left. Keep fighting the good fight 💪🏻

[@Doug-b4p]

Thank you for being a concientious machinist thats why i watch your channel by the way been building engines since 1971. Dont let these monday morning halfbacks get to you that said i understand your frustration. If you need to vent now or in the future feel free to use me

[@powellmachineinc]

💯

[@billrandell4641]

Old retired engine builder here. ..Lots if IMSA, SCCA, AMA, Etc. motors over my career...I was an early "Pioneer" of Torque Plates..Your 100% CORRECT! .. I built my first Torque Plate because I realized that my Porsche Cylinders were distorting severely!..along with my single cyl. Bike engines..They really make a BIG difference...I found out on V8's, V6's, Straight 8's etc. it wasn't such an issue..Aluminum block engines were of course, much more affected... On $20,000 4 cyl race motors, I used TP's..on $8,000 street motors, I didn't..I WAS ALWAYS a bigger deal on Single Cyl."style engines...'Speed Costs...How fast do you want to go"??? ...👍👍👍🗽🇺🇸

[@powellmachineinc]

Yep

[@johnkrag6]

You are exactly 100% correct. I own a machine shop and 3/4's these commenters have never operated any equipment!

[@powellmachineinc]

Absolutely

[@JusSkott]

😂😂😂 You would be amazed what someone can do with a hole saw, and then wrap it with sandpaper to hone. 🤣🤣🤣

[@stormyyoung6344]

I always learn something when you answer the comments thanks for the Info.

[@powellmachineinc]

Any time!

[@LTV_inc]

Ahh yes you hit the absolute home run with this. I’m just a simple mechanical engineer that designed a lot of close tolerance parts that actually worked and the two things that matter, end result and temperature. Keep doing what got you here. Thanks! 😊

[@powellmachineinc]

Tyvm!

[@andreassittig2772]

Excellent video, thank you! I'm kinda grateful to the guy who "No torqueplate ???"ed you because I learned so much.

[@powellmachineinc]

Glad to help

[@clintonsmith9931]

Can’t believe that all those years before torque plates a one of those bored engines ever ran.

[@strokermaverick]

Can't believe any of my teenage dingle berry honed engines made the 45 minute drive to the dragstrip, ran 7.90's. Then drove to work and get groceries, etc. In my 50's now. Time and place for certain things, as Daniel said.🤝

[@powellmachineinc]

Exactly

[@stevebates5973]

@@strokermaverick My '73 Capri with 302/T5 ran 12.01 sec 1/4s for years, after a dingle ball hone and fresh pistons. 5 years later it ran an 11.50 balls out...

[@lamont22222]

I don't always use my dingle berry hone but when I do I use 2 torque plates for extra accuracy. Super Pro tip.

[@powellmachineinc]

Great tip!

[@DownHillgamer]

Yeah screw a sunnen power stroker we got the ryobi powered dingle berries

[@riverguy988]

Dingle berry hone with STP oil is worth 37 hp

[@dcole109]

I appreciate they way you reply to comments. They are in fact respectful to the ignorance of the person who commented but also contain a very clear education in customer service business practice and product knowledge. If comments like those are what it takes to receive such clear instruction then they’re not all bad. Sorry you get rubbed the wrong way at times but your rebuttal is excellent! Kudos

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty, I always try to be considerit and accurate, but.... I'm definitely not perfect

[@fknbastages]

BAHAHA I love the photo of the short bus. You are such a standup guy. I admire you so much. You're accent is awesome, you're good looking, you know you're stuff, and you teach me in a way that no one could. Thank you brother.

[@powellmachineinc]

Thank you so much!!

[@260bossute]

I love listening to your answers to these people....

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty, we have fun with it

[@nitrofever]

Love your machining skills and truthfulness to the people who need education on what you “professionally “ do! Spending or suggesting where your customers will gain benefits from what you do and the cost to them will give you more work than you can handle. One thing I’ve learned is word of mouth reference of your honesty is priceless. Thanks for the vids keep em coming!

[@powellmachineinc]

I appreciate that!

[@StuartBlake-iz6rf]

Daniel, you have a very high patience tolerance, that I really admire. excellent communication and delivery with total control. Be very content with your response. My recommendation is to go and lift some weights and release the stress. everybody loves to learn and you are a good teacher. sad to hear that some people think they can surpass the master with a couple of 60-minute videos. Just laugh and move on. Armchair specialists. Mate your honesty and very good explanations tell it all.

[@powellmachineinc]

I do that every morning!!

[@rickeh100]

High school physics had a thermal dynamics module when I went to school. Lots of experiments to demonstrate how thickness and material affect expansion and repeated contraction. You are something else, giving an armchair engineer any credit by trying to educate them has to be frustrating! You are the only engine builder I subscribe to, you are modest and detailed with data and analysis of what you work on. I will how ever use your unicorn farts and fairy dust analogy! Stay calm and prosper!

[@powellmachineinc]

Lol, thank you, I really appreciate that!!

[@fluxcapacitor9867]

Grew up in auto machine shop 30 years with it & you are sharing simple truths, especially about never holding a torque plate in your hand. High end aftermarket blocks true to your telling yes are near perfect I always send mine off now that I’m out that business to friends at big shop & request torque plate , deck & line hone but they never need it , once the world product name on the outer front of head where nothing touches blipped .002, lol

[@powellmachineinc]

Definitely

[@JohnLittlepage]

Logic and common sense outweighs nonsense day in and day out, keep it up!

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty

[@richardk6238]

Love listening to someone speak on their area of expertise, keep doing your thing man

[@powellmachineinc]

I really appreciate that

[@jameshaskell6572]

I freaking love this channel. I will watch rants like this all day long. This is honestly one of Americas biggest downfalls in today’s age. People are just to impressed with their own opinions. The funny commercials,I stayed in holiday inn express last night comes to mind

[@powellmachineinc]

💯, I remember those!

[@rolliehunt5173]

I'm so glad to finally see a logical and valid explanation of the way this helps and when it doesn't. And why and when we are truly wasting our time and money. For close to 35 years of building my engines, I never have understood the need to torque plate bore and hone these factory blocks that are mostly too thin for any real gains. It's just never really made any sense to me. I couldn't prove anything, but I just knew to not waste money on it for my street driven vehicles. Yeah, they were warmed up a bit, but I never had issues with ring seating or blow by.

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty, we appreciate you

[@mr.espeedshop4839]

The comparison to the FE with head threads right at the deck vs deep into the block is excellent.

[@powellmachineinc]

Absolutely

[@TobyWilliamson-l4m]

I had my 5.3 bored and I’m no machinist , I left that up to the facility, I’m a technician not a machinist!!! I’d take your word for it rather than question you with your years of knowledge!!! I asked them to line bore and do what needs done to get it where it needed to be!!! I enjoy your videos keep up the good work!!!

[@powellmachineinc]

💯

[@ronaldhaefner8515]

Well haha. Aint never used a torque plate for my donuts... and they eat just fine. Mr. Powell you are absolutely right on matching the customer for their budget and use of work. Built a lot of engines and never once did it occur to me to question a reputable machinist. Great video and shows the the other side of what a business owner deals with. Thumbs up.

[@powellmachineinc]

Right on

[@joseffilipich9892]

Hi. I totally agree with you. I'm a machinist myself. I have always said much the same, the one thing I do is measure the pistons at 90 degrees Celsius to check there growth rate if I know that the engine is working hard. I check the block as it come out the hot tank then calculate the finished bore size from there. I have seen many a machine shop that just follow manufacturer recommendations and don't give enough clearance piston to bore and then the poor customer can't work out why the engine overheat's. I'm in Perth western australia and see these problems regularly when people are sent to me cause no one else can work it out.. Your one of the first I have come across that uses knowledge to think outside the box. Cheers and all the best to you from Perth western Australia.

[@logancarter2134]

Sir, you are a GENTLEMAN AND A SCHOLAR! And I mean that in all seriousness and from the bottom of my heart. Your point that it's not right to charge people for things they don't need or want is EPIC and the proof for my original statement.

[@powellmachineinc]

We really appreciate that, and we always try to treat people fairly

[@logancarter2134]

@@powellmachineinc as someone said below money cannot buy integrity! That's a truth through the generations. You have integrity Sir. It's one of the most valuable things you posses.

[@darksu6947]

​@@logancarter2134He reminds me a lot of my father who has ran a body shop for the last 40 years and has never overcharged or taken advantage of anyone. He seems like a very intelligent and honest man.......just like dear ol' dad 😁

[@PaulTserghanos-cl7tx]

Thank-you for the clear explanation on when to use torque plates. I find it very misleading for people to comment about the use of torque plates, when they don't understand the basic physical limitations of material properties. Keep up the great videos.

[@cody900]

Although annoyance from uneducated comments are irritating , everyone learns something when a video is produced like this with the explanation shown. Thanks.

[@powellmachineinc]

Absolutely

[@woofenhooter]

Playwright George Bernard Shaw once wrote: "Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance." Been a big iron diesel mechanic far longer than I care to admit. Working primarily on marine equipment, these things run some 20,000 plus hours. I'm a mechanic, not a machinist. What I understand from Powell is: it's all relative. KZbin has been a blessing and a curse. Love your channel Powell Machine inc.!

[@powellmachineinc]

Facts

[@Motoinc]

I always wonder when to use TORQUE PLATES Thank you for explaining this to me

[@powellmachineinc]

Any time!

[@richardgalli7262]

A great explanation of the practical use of torque plates, it is not needed for every application.

[@powellmachineinc]

@richardgalli7262 thank you 😊

[@bambamb43]

I had a machine shop for almost 30 years, i was ASE certified master engine machinists and bored hundreds of blocks without torque plates and had zero issues, i was building bad ass engines before torque plates were invented !

[@JustinMiales]

We've done engines for years with no torque plates thank you very much

[@powellmachineinc]

Right on

[@ky8465]

I'm actually glad that guy made a bunch of stupid comments, because you made a video, and now I learned a lot about torque plates I did not know before.

[@powellmachineinc]

Awesome, I'm glad it helps

[@RamdyEvans]

I watched several of your videos.I liked the way you carry yourself

[@powellmachineinc]

Tyvm!!

[@jamesbtri]

My God when he said you should be riding a short bus I spit my coffee all over my dash... it's his accent and people assume the way he sound he isn't a smart guy. Jokes on you. He is pretty God damn smart and on point .

[@powellmachineinc]

I'm just average, but I really appreciate the encouragement

[@SirHellstream]

Absolutely love your content! Very informative to an enthusiast like myself, and my hats off to your patient and measured approach to educating people like myself.

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty, we really appreciate that

[@jim8027]

First, Thank You! That explanation was so clear Stevie could have seen it. The sarcastic jokes were the best, I was rolling on the floor!!

[@powellmachineinc]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@madewithscraps]

Thanks for this Factual, well stated video. I owned & operated an automotive machine shop for 33 years, not to forget the many years of working for other shops before and experiencing different machine brands and end results; Sunnen CK 10, Rottler, Certi and more. I loved my Quick-Way boring bar as you have in the background. Throughout attempting to satisfy my curiosity for torque-plates discovered that freeze plugs in or out of block, oil pump mounted or not, water pump and more created cylinder distortion in different areas of the cylinder when inspected with a dial bore gauge. As you say; until you actually torque plate a block-keep your opinions to yourself. I recall my early years in the 70s, torque plate honing my first block, chained to a pole on an engine stand-LOL. Needless to say, the automated hone was on order the next month. The difference between use of studs or bolts is also huge. Figure the bolt pulls Up-studs pull the head down. Back in the 90s I charged an additional $75 to torque plate hone after a block fill or pre boring undersize, and hated every minute of that compared to nocking out a nice set of cylinder heads. Nothing worse than a person's opinion on telling the machine shop operator how wrong they are. Did they go to any vocational or college training schools? Their brain originated on the automotive isle in Wally-World!

[@1dave301]

Good explanation. You are correct. An experienced man in a critical business he is dedicated to shouldn't have to defend himself against that stuff. Good job, sir. Thanks

[@powellmachineinc]

Well said

[@jasonhall8706]

The truth needs no justification… appreciate your videos.

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty, we appreciate you

[@douglasbuckland8280]

Intil I watched this video, I figured all blocks would be torque plated, from an engineering standpoint it just seemed like due diligence. I had never considered the economics in regards to your business or that in the overall scheme of things some builds just don't benefit from being honed with a torque plate. I think that this video was very instructive and educated many of us. Thanks again.

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

back in the day when it was all done by machinists in the manufacturers factory it was never a thing and modern engines are CNC machined without a torque plate. its just extra when chasing perfection in high horsepower and racing builds.

[@powellmachineinc]

Absolutely

[@powellmachineinc]

You are very welcome

[@stevebates5973]

Just think about this, time costs money, so spending more time on a block that doesn't need the work, costs money... And $200 is a lot of money for someone who doesn't make a lot...

[@GR40RCapri]

Those of us that really know… appreciate your explanation & desire to teach. Some of us get it…. When always looking for an advantage , edge or understanding why things work the way they do, we come upon myths that need debunking. Appreciate you! 😎

[@powellmachineinc]

Well said!

[@additudeobx]

I've owned 3 small business since 1997 and it's amazing what customers expect you to do for them for FREE. It never ends. I have a slogan. "I'd rather do NOTHING, than do something for NOTHING". I've told several customers that, flat out. I had one customer say in a snarky tone, "Well, how much could it possibly cost"? Like what work I perform is somehow insignificant compared to their need to get it for free.

[@powellmachineinc]

Facts

[@patricklauer3100]

Thank you for sharing your years of experience with us!! You’re an amazing person.

[@gdl357g]

Seriously...you are just a phenomenal man, 1000%. Honest and forgiving but yet firm in what you say or do. You tell it the way it is and I like that. for dealing with all these internet warriors. I just love those one liners melts. LoOl

[@powellmachineinc]

Thank you, we try hard

[@mchristr]

Preach it brother! Ask the customer what they want done, give them a fair estimate...and it's yes or no. There's never any regret when you pay for quality.

[@powellmachineinc]

💯

[@ronaldvanotten6812]

I appreciate your expertise. I can see that you know what you are talking about, because of many years of experience. Too bad their are folks that just think they know everything because so and so says so.... Keep up the good work! I watch because I want to learn something from every episode, and I haven't been disappointed yet... Thanks, Ron...

[@powellmachineinc]

I appreciate you

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

I trust my machinist to decide what's necessary. The most important aspect is to make sure the machinist has experience and knows what he's doing.

[@yourposer]

i once asked about the torque plate. it was in the video that you did a puerto rico or mexican honda. the only reason i asked was because in a previous video you used a torque plate for a dirt track motor. i've sent several trucks motors out for rebuild and had never really heard of it, but it made sense in my head. you responded to my comment (thank you) and you said that it wasn't required for that engine. that made sense to me and i left it that. thank you for sharing your knowledge to a guy like me that tinkers in their garage. i enjoy and learned a lot from your YT channel

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty, glad you like the content

[@TurboDog73TX]

The title of this video should be: "How to school squerrils 101“. You are a patient man brother. WAY more so than Me.

[@powellmachineinc]

Lol

[@TheBaitCave]

As an engine builder for 24 years professionally, i totally agree 1000% with everything in this video! If they want to get that specific with things, the oil galley plugs, frost plugs, bell housing, front cover, motor mounts all need to be there because they all put stress on different places of the block. When it all comes down to it, when do you stop picking the fly shit out of the pepper? So many variables that most who have never done it, dont understand!!

[@powellmachineinc]

You are speaking my language.

[@MrChevelle83]

99% of the folks that know anything about tolerances cannot even possibly fathom maintaining .0004 or even calibrate the tools properly to even measure it reliably or consistently. ive never had an engine honed with a Tq plate. lol. excellent vid and info!!!!

[@powellmachineinc]

Absolutely

[@MrAnviljenkins]

I have HELD those tolerances on parts, but in the bargain we did not have any way to measure hows round a bore was other than a 2 point bore gauge, if the bore had a 3, 5, or 7 lobe out of round condition we could never have measured it with the tools we used to machine the parts. We very commonly had fairly small holes which had total .0005" tolerance, say .2495" to .2500" tolerance, we used gage pins to check that, inspection used gage pins to check it as well. if the holes were .0005" out of round gage pins don't show you that at all.

[@geniferteal4178]

Time to start recording room temperature and worrying about the accuracy of your thermometer.

[@MrChevelle83]

@@geniferteal4178 yea, good idea!

[@geniferteal4178]

@@MrChevelle83 Not sure if you're joking or not and I, i'm joking a little too. But seriously, My brother and I quickly realized doing our own work in the garage. Practice getting consistent measurements. It's easy when you have experience, but if you're doing your own stuff, just getting consistent readings is something to practice. Most people have no idea if they've never done it. Temperature becomes an issue, especially if the garage gets cold overnight. We knew our abilities and limitations. Torque plates were not on the radar yet back then. 😊

[@mikegallagher8355]

Really enjoy your informative videos. I’m almost 73, been an industrial mechanic my whole career working with some of the best machinists in the country, with a past hobby of building and racing dirt cars. I’m well past that but I’m building a ‘33 ford kit car. I’m gonna be running a teksid block 4.6L 4v. Back in my engine building days, I always had my stuff honed with torque plates just because it made sense to distort the block as if the heads were on. (I had a machine shop $ponsor). So, I’m trying to soak up everything I can prior to my engine build. I now know I don’t have to torque plate my block so thanks for saving me money. I really appreciate your content so keep ‘em coming! Mike Gallagher

[@powellmachineinc]

I'm about to do a mod engine

[@mikegallagher8355]

@@powellmachineinc I’ll be on the lookout! Thanks

[@GrandPitoVic]

This cat heard Darren Morgan's name on either KZbin or in a magazine and thought it would give grit to what he was saying.

[@powellmachineinc]

Probably

[@davidgough1161]

You obviously really know what you are doing, makes me like you even more! Thank You for being a really good machinist!

[@powellmachineinc]

Thanks for watching! We really appreciate the kind words!

[@chopperguy57]

I’ve learned a lot watching your videos. Thank you

[@powellmachineinc]

Glad it helps

[@tedjones-ho2zk]

Really enjoyed how you went down the torque plate rabbit hole, and with heat and cold cycles and the uneven thermal expansion of engine. Short bus too.....

[@powellmachineinc]

Lol

[@Six_ftdeep32]

Thank you for clarifying that on LS motors. It seems all the LS fanboi's are the absolute worse about criticizing and correcting people online.

[@powellmachineinc]

Definitely

[@pauljanssen7594]

The only concerned I had about boring a block was this excessive rust in the cylinders, and the guy that taught me how to be a good machinist at this amazing answer about rust, and I'm just going to use the word pinhole. You guys figured out on your own what I mean.

[@hoofarted8709]

I always torque plate my lawn mower and weed eater...heck, i even torque plated my can opener and dishwasher:)

[@powellmachineinc]

Absolutely

[@jimcondray4632]

Well said! You sir are an honest professional - a rarity in today's world.

[@powellmachineinc]

I really appreciate you, we try hard

[@jimzivny1554]

Very good explanation, the lawnmower comment was great 😂

[@powellmachineinc]

Lol

[@RobertCooksey-g1e]

Tell it like it is man. Good to see some men are still honest in stead of just charging people for things they don’t need done

[@powellmachineinc]

Ty!

[@RobertCooksey-g1e]

@@powellmachineinc you all are welcome.

[@georgedreisch2662]

Holy crap Dan… So much hostility. You’d think that y’all do this for a living…😂

[@powellmachineinc]

Ha....

[@braddenning1617]

I built several SBC & BBCs and just finished a 292 Chevy inline 6. 60 over 13.1 compression ,everything in this build was with top quality parts and Teflon coated every bearing .Using a MIL 30th head gasket. Never used a torque plate ever !!! never blew a head gasket or related problems and I'm doing this since the 70s !!! If I had one I would have used it. I never thought it necessary

[@powellmachineinc]

Good stuff

[@smet145]

Great response. I wouldn't even bother responding to these type of comments, unless they're respectful and seem to be genuinely trying to learn. You can usually tell by their toxic tone that they aren't gonna listen to logic anyway. This toxicity is all across social media, so never take it to heart and remember it's the minority of us here. I come here to learn about engines and machining from a pro, not to tell you how to do your job. Having said all that, we've ended up with a super informative video on torque plates from it all 😄

[@powellmachineinc]

Yep I shouldn't

[@chuckg3517]

Special bus…. had me 😂

[@powellmachineinc]

Lol

[@stevebates5973]

@@powellmachineinc SWMBO (she who must be obeyed) was asking what I was Laughing at, then she laughed...

[@noreastermike1621]

Thank you for the education. I always thought the torque plate was more critical. I hope they learned their lesson. Keep up your integrity. Now I know. Knowing is half the battle. Go Joe!!

[@powellmachineinc]

We appreciate that

[@DavidBryan-rq5zo]

You can't win arguments with stupid people, they will drag you down too their level and beat you with experience!

[@richardtemple8141]

Mark Twain's words. Never a truer word spoken.

[@powellmachineinc]

💯

[@venombob3364]

alot of people out there just want to bring others down and look or think they are superior don't let it get to you man. it is obvious to me that you are a good dude and do what you think is right that is all we can do definitely not going to please everyone.

[@GNX157]

I’d rather spend the extra on getting the right hone with the deeper valleys and the correct surface finish for the ring package, crankcase pressure and oil control.

[@powellmachineinc]

Definitely, but part is std here

[@danielmarkle8823]

This is a man that knows his craft and can prove it !! I have a radiator shop in Arkansas and run into the same type of stuff all day long. Have comments like "my uncle who is a mechanic said it's not a head gasket if I can't see water on my dip stick"..... Lol good video and thanks for the education.....

[@powellmachineinc]

Thank you, I really appreciate that

[@danlscan]

I'm gonna make some T-shirts: "Where's the torque plate?" These will also feature the angry face of a very large machinist with steam coming out of his ears.

[@powellmachineinc]

Lol

[@PrtclWav]

This channel is fantastic. Thanks for the breakdowns and explanations. I work in medical and want to move over to automotive machining and im learning a great deal through these videos.

[@powellmachineinc]

I'm very glad you find them useful!!

[@owensbama1923]

The problem is you are trying to help people that think they know what they are talking about when they dont. They have no real world experience. They usually are just spewing things they have heard other people say. I am an Aircraft Mechanic and I'm sure you know we get the same crap. I enjoy your videos and I hope you keep doing them and don't get fed up with these idiots and get discouraged from doing them.

[@powellmachineinc]

Dunning Kruger

[@owensbama1923]

@powellmachineinc3179 no doubt about that. Lol they get on my nerves too.

[@ccaracingproducts]

Hello! I just happened upon your channel using my personal account and figured I'd pop in here with my business account and help you out with what little gravitas I might have. I'm a torque plate manufacturer, with my customers ranging from small shops to aftermarket block manufacturers, NASCAR/ProMod/ProStock level shops, and even OEMs. What you are saying here is what I tell people when they ask if a plate is necessary: "It depends; ask your machinist." Every application is different and there are absolutely applications out there where a torque plate can not just "not help" but actually hurt cylindricity (or end-state performance, at least)! The one caveat I would offer is to keep in mind that you (and most automotive machinists) are not actually able to measure cylindricity with a dial bore gauge; you are only able to take relative measurements absent something like a CMM. The shops with this capability (especially the OEMs and large scale rebuilders) generally bore map the blocks with heads installed and use varying torque sequence and values to duplicate this as best as possible. Some (depending on block architecture) are hot honing as well but some modern blocks don't really benefit there, either. No one is doing that level of work for $40 a hole hone jobs it just isn't economical or necessary. I've got machining centers blinking at me that they are hungry so I'd better go get some plates out the door! Take care.

[@powellmachineinc]

Appreciate the input and industry expertise!

[@bondvagabond42]

Bigginers dont know the rules, so they mess up, intermediate skill level, get really zealous about following all the rules, cause they know they are there for a reason, and they dont want to make an expensive mistakes. The master knows where they can cut corners, not to rip the customer off, but so they can spend that saved time on some other part of the job that will help the customer out more.

[@powellmachineinc]

Absolutely spot on...., love it

[@btecx]

Very well explained and addressed. People these days feel like they always have to challenge people that know WAY more than they do. They are ways to respectfully ask a question and then there is showing your ignorance with a simple comment. It does get hard to keep biting your tongue when they keep at it. You did well sir. And as always, thank you for the knowledge. 💪

[@bowtiekid329]

Some people are just not worth having a lenghty conversation with! Especially a qualified one! As Powell said, it's just not worth the time of explaining it to some people!

[@powellmachineinc]

Definitely

[@disassterb8]

people these days on the internet aren't worried about the truth or the facts just worried about being right. you hit the nail on the head.

[@trev6783]

You're wrong. That guy has watched at least 40 youtube videos and knows what he's talking about.

[@powellmachineinc]

Lol

[@cstierhoff]

Great description of the need for a torque plate when honing. Thank you.

[@bradhuffjr777]

Obama said everything was going to be free.

[@bobd9911]

Yeah for him not us lol

[@deancrawford2577]

Absobloodylutely!, After I qualified as an Automotive Machinist in 98, we had been looking at blocks that had issues with distortion and landed up purchasing a number of torque plates and yes we inform the customer if his/her block is one that needs a torque plate bore/hone. We know some Toyota 4 cylinder blocks that distort something terrible without the plate. Nice one Daniel 👍🏻

[@apollorobb]

This crap comes from the same kinda guys that watch Sloppy Mechanics and comment on that FB page . The same guys that assemble their motors in their kids sand box .

[@powellmachineinc]

Yup, facts

[@apollorobb]

@@garlandjones7709 Who gives a shit about how long someone has been wrong about something lol

[@apollorobb]

@@powellmachineinc Seems that when the dude gets his ass handed to him he deletes his stupidity ...Sign of a Troll

[@FullCeramicDetail]

Great video! I got here because I saw MotoIQ talking about how some shops didn't build subaru turbo engines correctly because they didn't use torque plates - but this was also because those had rings much higher up the piston that was a limiting issue , so that top part of the piston matter more when pusing higher than 100+ horsepower. But what do I know. It seems like they make sense on a use-by-use basis and isn't universal that torque plates are ALWAYS needed on every car. GREAT video sir!