Powered FRFR Cabinets Shootout - Line6 vs Atomic vs Friedman

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Joss and Pete shoot out 3 FRFR cabinets with the Kemper and two Michael Britt Profiles.
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Line 6 Powercab 112 - goo.gl/2WuoL8
Friedman ASM-12 Active FRFR Cab - goo.gl/6EV4oL
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[@TheVigilantStewards]

Direct A/B/C shootout at Friedman > 30:56 Line 6 > 33:14 Atomic > 35:46

[@ZachPetch]

Unrelated, but wearing a good pair of headphones, after clicking that first timestamp, you can practically feel Pete's stomping on the floor during the Friedman demo. That sounds/feels really cool. But anyway, thanks for posting this, Carmelo. It's exactly what I was looking for.

[@TheVigilantStewards]

@@ZachPetch Foot tapping good :) Foot thumping better! No problem

[@michaelpietzsch]

0:00 Atomic / 9:57 Line6 / 19:35 Friedman

[@SpedSpedding]

Love the fact you were saying... “You know we’re not close micing it up, we’re using room and clip on mics so trust our judgement....” First tones are absolutely outstanding. 🤘🏻😂😂😂😂

[@bubbaw1234]

seeing the process of you dialing in the kemper (or the amp) is really helpful.

[@mclarensmps]

I'm late to watching all he Andertons videos.. (been binge watching through all your videos during the pandemic). I could sit and listen to Pete play all day everyday; but Jos, when you're not shredding (just not my thing), you sound OUTSTANDING. Thank you guys for these amazing videos. Better than any tv show

[@dwg116]

awesome review! I wish there were more reviews like this as more and more people are going the modeler route.

[@nathanmontover1436]

Thanks for this! Super helpful and relevant!

[@nickblindlemon3383]

Using an Alto TS212 and a TS312 (same as Headrush I believe) in stereo. Sound pretty damn good and about the same price as the Powercab for the two!

[@philedwards5110]

Lovely tune at the end. Got me liking the Friedman. You're clearly enjoying it.

[@BigDaddy-nt6yc]

Smooth, groovy, cool, and badass all at the same time. Pete's playing always puts a smile on my face (and in my soul!)

[@CTL5150]

God dang, the tone in this video was just fab.

[@tomaburque]

I'm not in the market for any of this stuff. I watch these videos because they are so entertaining. Keep em coming :-)

[@FLdb-wj4wc]

Great playing here

[@AndrewReynolds1]

I’ve been waiting to hear the Line6 Powercab compared. I would like to hear it in its other modes too though. I really enjoyed Joss’s playing in this video too (I always enjoy Pete’s).

[@MrCgar18]

I know this is old but I appreciate videos of speakers because it gives you some sort of idea.if it sounds good in the video then I imagine it sounding even better in person.

[@brianmarker]

This is why expensive isn't always better! ive been going back and forth looking at the Alto, the Line 6 and the Headrush models

[@wolfhorsky]

Great vid. These Two are the most talented and capable duo here IMHO. Pete has got great taste and phrasing. That outro was something special.

[@JM-eq3sx]

Great review.

[@RyanChansler]

The selling point of the power cab is the 6 speaker sims that promise amp in the room feel. This just showcases the frfr mode which Line 6 has even said is more frfrish because the speaker is a guitar speaker, not a pa speaker. It's cool that you guys liked it just a little less than the Atomic considering it's not the main focus of the product. You need to do a video that showcases the speaker models next.

[@DreaScarlett]

I came here for the FRFR cabinets and got treated to some beautiful guitar playing. This is some serious soul!

[@chriswhatsoever2001]

The part where Pete plays around 6:50 the clean lick - just insanly good!

[@guitarsimon1]

Ooo, and a comparison between using the IR in the Helix with the Powercab flat, and the IR in the Powercab would be appreciated also!

[@trentsaggus6247]

I'd second that with a whole Line6 setup (variax, helix, powercab) and how easy/hard it is, the tones and anything else

[@locely4553]

Touching and great

[@AJG76]

I tried the line 6 and the Friedman this morning and ended up buying the Friedman ...thought it had more ‘weight’ to the sound, I’m using Britt patches and IRS on Helix ....each to their own I guess! Nice playing Pete;)

[@gabiargento25]

Pete is a great guitarist, a teacher. Make videos that are entertaining and valuable in information. Rabea congratulations to you too, another big one with a big heart. mdfkr 💪🎸💪❣️

[@trollfiddler]

Joss's playing has improved 100-fold since he started at Anderton's. Well done Joss, couldn't stand you back in your early shredding days on the channel. New fan :)

[@lunawroblewski]

I do something similar but I'm just using a 100 watt 12" Floor monitor with my tech 21 sans amp. Go direct with that and the monitor is just for stage volume

[@JM-eq3sx]

The Powercab only has one input. The Powercab Plus has 3, if you count the L6 link, but two combo inputs with 1/4 / XLR jacks. The Powercab will work with anything that the others do. What makes it unique is its speaker modeling (not to be confused with cabinet IRs) along with various FRFR options. Maybe Paul Hindmarsh could come in and give you guys a class on everything the PC+ can do. It's an amazing little cabinet. You may still prefer the tone and performance of the Atomic, etc, but you haven't even scratched the surface with the Powercab. Great review though, thanks for putting this together!

[@lamech006]

I've heard of cookies and algorithms but this is nuts. I was just looking at Kemper and FRFR yesterday

[@JMBvideo]

We know

[@user-kp8ys8ce9t]

Pretty good

[@user-fk5lu6jp8p]

The best cab is always the one Pete plays through - no exceptions.

[@guitarsimon1]

Fingers crossed for a Line 6 Powercab speaker sims vs real speakers... ;)

[@wagnernoise]

Yep! 😁

[@danielelamworshipguitar]

Awesome video guys. Beautiful playing all around. So nice!

[@xprophet9]

I’ve had them all and the Friedman is spectacular. The Line Sux well...atomic can be ice pick painful but great if used properly. Fractal Axe Fx III because there is nothing better!

[@TheVigilantStewards]

I also thought Friedman was nice.... I wonder what playing through an LR Baggs would sound like? Their new pa with the horn

[@WillC]

Joss your O-faces never disappoint. Get it my dude.

[@jkym3706]

please please do one for basses with FRFR cabs

[@wingee]

Having owned a Friedman ASM12 the thing it's got that others don't have is the cabinet thump when palm muting. Try a high gain profile and djenting through it, you'll see why the weight and construction makes a difference. Think of it like an open back 2x12 and a closed back 2x12, the ASM12 is more like a closed back.

[@ahmedrashed78]

Do you still have it

[@auntjenifer7774]

Dude my head rush pedal board through an open back vox tube amp has so much low end thunk with speaker sims and it these days you can have whatever you want.

[@muleblues71]

Using a kemper with my powercab. The PC sounds harsh when pointed back. Using speaker sim (heritage) cabs off on kemper. Used both ways (FRFR with cabs on)

[@kcussrebutuemos4815]

I just use it thru a guitar can 1x12. Every processor I g hv ace used really needs a real dirt or fuzz ideal in front of an amp block. Except the Yamaha 100hd sounds and feels the best and is super simple.

[@torbenmeldgaard8112]

I think an important point about the PC plus is that it has two inputs (versus 1 in the smaller brother). And the 2nd can be set to FRFR while using speakerprofiles/IR in input one. Sounds KILLER with my piano. So - don't use the "two inputs" argument for buying the Atomic. Get the "plus"

[@Foghat1961]

Here's my solution. Take an old Fender Cybertwin, replace the speakers with Celestion F12-X200, dial out everything on the amp, take the outputs from your 'modeller' (Kemper Stage in my case) and plug them into the stereo returns on the Cybertwin. Then just match the EQ from your monitor to the PA. Sounds great, looks great.

[@reconceive]

I have a Kemper and have been curious about FRFR - but in so many videos they run it through standard cabinets and struggle to tell the difference between the Kemper and the amps. If that's the case I'd rather just have a regular guitar cab... Also you can get the Friedman used for affordable prices for the reasons they mentioned ...

[@Adieu]

how would the new laney FRFR compare to these two? havent seen many reviews on it yet

[@ty_sd]

Would have loved to see a mission gemini 1 or 2 thrown in there as well :)

[@markk9184]

They're too heavy.....waaaah

[@RyanChansler]

The powercab is made for all modelers too.

[@Wes2578]

Pete, when is the helix + power cab video coming? Purrrrrlease, thank you.

[@user-bd9bc3dm8k]

Hi there! Regular wedge converted to 'FRFR guitar cab' (by attaching Friedman logo) isn't actually suitable for guitar use. Joss said that Friedman sound a bit fizzy but Pete said is't ok, and I can tell why. Joss is seating closer to the tweeter than Pete is! So easy to imagine how inconvenient you can feel yourself moving on stage around this cab. Traditional guitar cabs have pretty wide direction diagram and players got used to it. So it's better to use wide range or coaxial speakers for FRFR guitar cabs. After all Atomic sounds best, Line6 - rules.

[@wenisinvietnam]

It's simple. I see Pete in the thumbnail and I click

[@MrDavemiley]

I'd like to grab that Princeton profile for my Kemper .

[@jerryrichardson5545]

When you set up the Kempler, which cabinet did you use to dial in the tone? If it was the CLR then it's probably not an accurate representation of the Line 6 and Friedman.

[@simonrourke1978]

When are Andertons going to release their range of Parden Garties?

[@potluckfishing]

Can these also be used to take an aux from the mixing console so you have your vocals as well?

[@Bowlman84]

First clean is to die for.

[@LucasMastropasqua]

What drive pedal did you guys use in this video? Is it the Lightspeed? Sounds great!

[@MrKengabe]

Try the cream setting and tell me what you think please

[@markdesouza6044]

Wow, such exceptional playing, particularly on your outro. Thank you!

[@seanbrooks2583]

I know i'm a little late to this video but I use a self powered PA speaker to play my helix / looper through. Is a FRFR speaker going to give me a better sound ? (not accounting for quality of the individual products, just as a general concept)

[@ThePlemon]

Also hoping for a Headrush FRFR review when you get a hold of it

[@hawedehre]

I don't get it. I do have PA speakers in all sizes and a passive Kemper. Why should I get such a FR cab? Just because of the visual? I will try using a amp module and guitar cab instead. So three options but still no idea which sounds best.

[@Claimjumper55]

For pure FRFR, out of the 3 I'd take the Atomic. It's great to see the Powercab do so well when pure FRFR wasn't their goal. It would be cool to see the Atomic vs the Yamaha DXR and QSC PA speakers.

[@JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION]

I gig with a DXR (15) with my Rp1000..Killer Killer Tone!! I can't wait to get my Axe AX8.

[@Nikoo033]

Great choice of guitars! Does Lee know? :D

[@_GOV_]

What enclosure is that for your Kemper rack? Looking for one that isn't full rack depth, just the depth of the Kemper.

[@WarrenPostma]

I hope this puts a lot of guitarists in the mood to sell their sweet old tube amps for cheap as they run after this new funky stuff. i mean I like this. But I still haven't even bought one really ass-kicking tube amp. can't bloody afford it. maybe this will help

[@Chanok69]

The best thing about these videos is when the captain isn’t in them cutting everybody off when they’re explaining anything.

[@stepitupandgo67]

that sc594 is so sick....

[@iappshellas]

How good will be if I use my Mac or my iPad with an amp sim app?

[@YRUACNT]

Can you do 1x8 cab (for bedroom) shootout?

[@michalmikolajmaslowski3994]

Great video comparison, loved it. You lads should do more videos together, that's for sure - some tasteful playing! Loved the natural compression and punchiness of the Line 6 PC. The Atomic sounded very convincing, too, and the Friedman - well they say that it's made for some heavier and darker tones, and it think shows (I've heard some awesome metal tones out of it very recently and almost bought it). In the end, I've gone with a dual PC+ setup and I even don't have the Helix :) Fantastic job!

[@auwdioslave]

What's the difference between an FRFR cab and a normal active floor monitor?? I've never understood the need for this special category, except maybe for the visual aspect...

[@el34superlead]

You guys convinced me of one thing... I need to try a Fender Princeton ;)

[@5F6Reverb]

el34superlead You won't be disappointed, they're lovely Amps.

[@AbeldeBetancourt]

That would be a *studio miked* Fender Princeton. If you like old sound it would be great, if not it is close to garbage.

[@phel21]

I miss the Mission Gemini 2 in this comparison as Andertons sell Mission products. Maybe also one of the high-end Blueamps units (Spark or Beast), but Blueamps (.de) like Fractal (AXE-FX) only sell direct. These are all stereo units, and while there is not much separation with all speakers in one box it still does wonders to the sound. It's the closest to the "amp in the room" feel you can get with cab-sim and FRFR. My rating of the various FRFR cabinets I've had the opportunity to try both for practise and gigs: 1. Tie between Mission Gemini II and Blueamps Spark. Both are 2-speaker stereo units. 2. Atomic CLR (neo) 3. Dynacord AXM 12A 4. Yamaha DSR112 (DSR115 when used with a bass) 4. Yamaha DXR10/12

[@eryckcrypton6412]

Blueamps = Blug?

[@markk9184]

No love for the Friedman ASC-12?

[@markk9184]

No love for the Friedman ASC-12? Just curious. I have the Gemini 2.

[@chandlerluce9392]

How does it sound with a bass guitar? Can the speakers hold up with all that bottom end?

[@marlonbrando2698]

Everytime Danish Pete is on, I grab my guitar and play "copy the nasty licks". The dude can play.

[@iwct]

Hi Andertons guys - would this be a good option to pair with a Roland GR55? I don’t want to stick it into the band PA.

[@ariraphiel39]

They look related Father & son, like some Back to the Future stuff

[@LordSonny94]

Can you please do this with some more affordable once?! :)

[@bedemccarthy9875]

Good video - have you guys tried the Bose S1 as a home use case for guitar modellers? These three seem designed for stage use at volume ...

[@screamalongsongs]

Yes S1 was great with my Kemper but it has a sweet spot right in the middle of the volume control on each channel on the S1. The second you turn it down below half it’s super dark sounding.

[@lukasvandewiel860]

Did you guys remove the handle at the bottom? It looks as if it is standing very stable.

[@leo777lee]

what about with the fractal audio AX8

[@MrJohnnywonderboy]

Been waiting for this. Buying a helix the end of the month. Still undecided if I want one of these or active monitors. Great video chaps. The amp and pedals are going going gone

[@markk9184]

Mission engineering gemini 2 is pretty good in my opinion. It cranks and you can get stereo. While the separation isn't that great it's definitely noticeable. Definitely heavier than all of these but worth it too me.

[@ERPRocks]

It would have been nice if you also included a relatively inexpensive PA such as the TS212.

[@Highcastle_of_Tone]

Subjectivity of listening through my monitors considering the signal chain they described, the Atomic just sounded fuller and more three dimensional to my ears.

[@Planet9_music]

Looking to run bass and or lead guitar through a line 6 helix and into a powered speaker that will represent both instruments well... are these FRFR things what im after?

[@1barnsie]

Most FRFR don't do bass well at all. Tech 21 Power Engine Deuce Deluxe promises to do bass and guitar equally well, but not tried one yet. I also play bass and guitar through.a Helix and looking for a perfect active speaker for both.

[@MankiHerNaNDex]

Anyone knows what kind of mount is the kemper in? because thats the rack version but it looks like a fender head or something like that, i would love to know how to make a kemper rack version look like that

[@jakekrystal5724]

Can anyone tell me what the rack bag case thing that Pete’s got his Kemper in is?

[@vidicsferenc182]

you can get a cheap 800w power amp like a crown one and a great 4x12 v30 cab for the price of these cabs. and it will sound better

[@emanuelecampiglia5762]

What overdrive are you using? Is it the king of tone?

[@marc12marc]

What is the best FRFR cab for cleans. Alnico blue emulation ?

[@AetherSprites]

I swap between keyboard and guitar on stage. I wonder if I could route both through one of these FRFRs. I'd love to find a demonstration of something like that...

[@MartinCraneRockbeast]

I used my keys and guitar thru the Powercab and powercab plus the other day and it sounded great.

[@SingSurfStrum]

Hey Everyone, I have a Yam THR 30ii that has two balanced Line Outs via 1/4” Jacks. Would one of these fatten my sound? Or can I just connect the THR 30ii straight into my Marshall AS50 Acoustic amp for the same improvement?

[@fang-weiliu4815]

what's the shoe for on top of the attenuator? :)))

[@FrankSteffenMueller]

Awesome video. Well done guys :)

[@iwilrage]

Would a powered PA speaker be used the same way?

[@kempsole]

Can these be used for bedroom use ?

[@joeleade7622]

Since you used his profiles it would be cool if you used the powered cab he endorses: Xitone :}

[@dmj09]

The Atomic for me, when Pete plays licks from 36:05 it sound so sweet....

[@batmandeltaforce]

BUT which FRFR is best for Bass?

[@MrZappy666]

OK, from now on, I will refer to Josh as "The Monster" !!! Well played man !!

[@romeou4965]

anyone try the FRFR Tech21 Power Engine Deuce Deluxe (1x12", wood build, rear ports, HPF/LPF, switchable tweeter)?

[@commentingpausedtoprotectus]

That tone at 7:47 is naughtier than a nun' s arse! Love it!

[@mooferoo]

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[@commentingpausedtoprotectus]

xD

[@Guitaural.]

Hmmm...Maybe have been a couple of wacked exceptions throughout history, but I never associated nuns with naughty arses...pornstars maybe... those cabs do sound GOOD though!