Johns/Johns v Alshon/Newman at the Las Vegas Pickleball Cup

[@DannyBPlays]

I'll repeat what's been said: stop announcing game winner spoilers in the middle of a game!!!

[@edmond-kl3it]

For real

[@ScottT109]

One of the best matches I’ve seen R Newman play in awhile! Great game to watch…

[@Bailey_ann_25]

Riley Newmans one of the best!! And the nicest guy ever in person!!

[@ehlai1676]

The games become more interesting to watch when they're not dominated by just one team.

[@tbrophwg]

CJ going away from the aggressive style that had success in the earlier rounds was head scratching. To not change tactics when things were going sideways and at least go back to what had worked earlier in the tournament was again head scratching. Where was his aggressive serve, where was his third shot drives? Sitting back and waiting for an aggressive team to spead up on you is exactly why they have continued to lose ground in the rankings and look like a very average team.

[@Bailey_ann_25]

Way to go Alshon and Newman🎉

[@iantercero5380]

I love how Hannah is so nonpartisan and doesn’t take her brothers’ side.

[@wyu24]

That smile is fake. She definitely is pissed they beat her bros!!!😅

[@Bailey_ann_25]

Hannah is as fake as they come

[@Bailey_ann_25]

Damn Riley Newman is awesome!!!!!!!!

[@kosanmr2]

Players are def. getting better. I think the dominance is over for the John's brothers.

[@superweeb6969]

For the brothers yes, but John is still at the top for mixed doubles and singles

[@Andrew-qm5im]

You think? I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming at this point. Collin is going to have to take this seriously and become mentally stronger.

[@razrgu3838]

Ben is still the best at this point

[@ray1johnson1]

Could be. Let's see if they, especially Collin, improve and adjust their strategy.

[@silverdc5]

they are working on something new, they are not in a hurry to get back on top, let them play a few more tournaments then we will see a more clear picture

[@light1349]

It’s gonna be awkward around the thanksgiving table when Ben drops Colin

[@MrGUSARIK]

that's the only reason he hasn't done yet. CJ is a dead weight. Not even an attempt to create something.

[@silverdc5]

i don't see it, they did what they had to do with the new strategy, Ben even smiled at the end to CJ.

[@kayakair1]

If Colin had any class, he would step aside and insist that Ben partners up with Christian!! Colin could coach!

[@heatherhopton5575]

Probably the most entertaining men’s doubles game I’ve watched. It’s usually the women that entertain.

[@MattBolt35]

How was the ball at around 33:56 out? They even reviewed. Granted, the video angle isn't the best, it just doesn't even look close to out?

[@dennishobart4142]

Is there any way that HUMANA can have someone skirt the perimeter of the court. I’m tired of seeing players get down on their stomach’s digging balls out from under what ever is surrounding the court . Wasting players and my time.

[@itfchampion8177]

ohhhhhhh final set BEN JOHNS 10-10 forehand !!!!!! little strong arm!!!!!

[@KTCHNPickleball]

🔥🔥🔥

[@christinewesley9599]

I think Ben should change partners!! Collin is too emotional and let's his anger rule his play!! I think Ben and Christian would be a great team!!

[@Basilisk2077]

Ben and Duong

[@PickleballJoy]

Collin used to be known -- universally -- as the best right side player in the game. Already we're seeing more right side players attacking, and sometimes even being the dominant player. CJ seemed as if he was adapting his game to this shift ... but in this one he reverted, if you ask me.

[@zakwhite5159]

Why are the ppa KZbin videos so crappy looking? 1080p ... Not even close

[@JudithTravis-q1j]

Unique Extension

[@Nine-gf2hd]

Ben needs to drop collin bro like hes holding ben back soooo much. Can you imagine ben teamed up with someone like Patriquin or Tardio or Alshon? They would be unstoppable bro

[@linsu2854]

As a staunch supporter of the Johns brothers, I'm wavering. It's getting tiring to watch them lose tournament after tournament without trying to adapt their playing style. Everyone has gotten so good at dinking. For them to keep thinking that by dinking they are going to get pop-up balls for them to attack is naïve. They need to initiate more attacks from less than perfect condition, like their opponents who beat them do. Collin ... why is his role still about resetting? Since when do we think resetting can win points at a high level?! At this point, I almost want to see the Johns brothers lose more which is the only chance perhaps for them to lose their stubbornness to adapt. My worry is that, if they wait for too long to adapt, it may be too late even when they do.

[@chea7z913]

Absolutely, it's the dinking like you said. Everyone can hang in a dink rally now and Ben isn't going to get as many perfect moments to attack. Instead of spending the time at the top learning how to create opportunities they squandered it with their ultra defensive let you make the first error strategy. You don't see Ben's backhand roll anymore, he's not creating any opportunities with his two handed backhand dinks, in fact his one handed backspin dinks were a lot more effective this match. Their whole game revolves around Ben scoring, if you look at when he was the most dominant, he was constantly trying to create opportunities because he was just that good. Not anymore

[@linsu2854]

@@chea7z913 He is still doing it during mixed doubles play but I'm puzzled why he can't do it with men's doubles

[@chea7z913]

@@linsu2854 Just saw his mixed gold match in LV, he had stellar two handed dinks there that earned points. So ya that was non existent in this match. Starting to think it's just mental at this point

[@justincraven39]

at like the 35 minute point, there is a NET call and a re-serve? I have never seen this before. is this something new?

[@MikhaillllKing]

in those tournaments they re-serve if it's a net

[@unclemason]

that ref at the end an op

[@shivacharan02]

@9:14 Just wow

[@JflipJedi]

I’d love to see Ben with Hayden P

[@DAZMAN444]

This is killing me 😂. Is Alshon serving straight across at 9:39?? Please help

[@jpoobies]

He's returning serve

[@TracyJordan2122]

There must've been something with this floor. Some other matches had a crazy amount of missed returns long as well.

[@ZeroZeroVu]

What ball are they using?

[@jeremiiah1797]

Ben plays as a top seed in mixed and singles - it is going to be harder and harder as men's teams take two top 10 men and make a team - they need to work on new tactics or throw in the towel. I think it still could be either for now.

[@gospeedrcer3195]

dead spots on these courts

[@ray1johnson1]

And the ball finds them often at the most crucial and damaging times.

[@rkirsch264]

Zero offense from CJ. Dear Ben, you'd do better with Anna-Leigh playing in men's doubles.

[@DAZMAN444]

So around 9:39 newman looks like he served straight, not across while standing behind his partner??

[@striker4312]

they were returning johns serve

[@ray1johnson1]

It didn't matter that Ben previously used their last time out, as the commentator suggested; the failure to reestablish was the right call. One thing I didn't understand though was the beginning of the 1st game: were they rallying to determine first service? Collin served and Ben won the rally but there was no point. I've never seen that before.

[@millisock]

Alshon served the first ball. At 0:04 the ref says 0-0-2, red shorts (Alshon) serves from the top right corner. Ben starts at the kitchen, because he's across from Alshon while Collin receives. After the Johnses win the rally, the ref then announces the score 0-0-1.

[@ray1johnson1]

@@millisock , yes, you're right. My mind misinterpreted what I saw. Thanks for the explanation.

[@ReginaldPowell-tt9ow]

though they're the two most unlikeable players on the tour, they did a good job in pulling off this win

[@edmond-kl3it]

Give me either of them instead of Julian Arnold any day

[@ray1johnson1]

Why don't you like Alshon and Newman?

[@MrYd108]

I dont mind Ben but Colin is annoying AF..

[@DJ-xu1qo]

looks like alshon said some words at the end

[@sethpringle8063]

I hate this camera angle. You miss so many shots that land at the baseline!

[@gresstennis7147]

Commentators are in Alshon/Newman's pockets. Sheesh

[@Mr.Martini549]

Vintage Newman!

[@SharonKnutson-w1z]

Lucinda Orchard

[@CharlesVu-u2r]

Howe Turnpike

[@victorkhong6103]

Colin doesn't bring enough firepower to the game.

[@MalachiMax-t8m]

Perez Donna Garcia Amy Johnson Jessica

[@GaryMLive]

Honestly, I don’t think that this is a new Riley Newman…. The man has always been a perfectionist and super precise.

[@ghxstleader485]

Christian has just gotten a lot better

[@GaryMLive]

@@ghxstleader485 He seems to have become more emotionally controlled. He used to be as emotionally volatile Colin.

[@ray1johnson1]

He's new in the sense he much less often twitches or spazzes right as or after he returns a dink.

[@LeanneSchultz-x3y]

How much better could Riley be without that limiting grip

[@GoldenPickled]

It adds to deception so possibly worse!

[@mlee9049]

I disagree. Semi western adds to his game and style. Quong also uses semi western, and is killing it. Curious though, why did you call it limiting?

[@edwardmurphy440]

Stop the spoil! Please stop giving tournament updates; you are spoiling the viewing of those that watch online. You gave away the next match I was going to watch. This is not 'choose from 3 live TV networks' anymore; I can watch every match online. Please stop spoiling our viewing.

[@kylinwanderlust]

Where's the spoil

[@bznjenn8881]

You could warn people before you announce results from other matches. Thanks!

[@DannyBPlays]

I agree!!!

[@casey10614]

Announcers are terrible. I would pay PPA to be able to watch a game without. Maybe hire the golf announcers who whisper. These dudes act like they are on the couch drinking beers just blabbering the ENTIRE time. Your job is not to TRY and be funny. This grown men are worse than high school girls. RN is the only good one.

[@akhrormuminov7180]

I mean do not watch KZbin

[@KhaTran-py4wp]

Almost 2025 and this video is in 720p

[@ray1johnson1]

No, your browser/viewing setting is set to 720p. You can change to 1080p. If you have HS internet it'll be OK on computer but if you don't have a sufficiently powerful TV, or for some other reason, it'll buffer and pixelate often. I have HS internet but had to switch the video to 720p to watch on TV.

[@JohnJones-lg3ql]

Hello Newman 😂

[@Rengoku976]

one of the Johns' mental is so weak hahaha

[@facnocap]

Colin is horrible to watch. Total hypocrite. He talks about sportsmanship and playing the right way and then acts like a spoiled brat on court. Time for Colin to move on to his coaching era and get off the PPA Tour.

[@gardnercalibuso]

Best players in the world or only in the USA? If it's world then why are there no other countries participating? Sure Argentine is there, how about Asia, Europe? There are plentiful of great players in those regions of the world

[@chongqinghotpot]

So far, gen 3 paddles don’t seem to perform very well in doubles.

[@andretakada6631]

Bro Collin is so bad. I had hope that he would change after seeing his more aggressive serve and play style but he went right back to it in this match. So tired of his mediocre play. Not athletic and doesn’t care. His annoying attitude of blaming the netcord and not taking responsibility for his shitty ass finishes. Ben literally has to do everything for his brother. Collin isn’t aggressive at all, no speed ups, very few drives(which are meh)and no good finishes. His only job with playing with Ben was to just be consistent, dink, reset, and counter balls. Yet he can’t even counter especially with the aggressive teams to punish their speed ups. Want Ben to win, but want Collin to lose.

[@casey10614]

Disagree. It’s about chemistry they work well together still win high 80s percent of games. Trust me those resets and defense he has makes it look easy. A lot of those things you describe is the JOB of a right sided player and he is still one of the best.

[@linsu2854]

@@casey10614 Except that the winning teams have both sides be able to reset and attack.

[@andretakada6631]

@@casey10614 you’re right they are good together. They beat 80% of the teams out there but they are slipping and it shows. I do agree Collin is the reset master, but I’m sick of him just resetting a bad speed up or dinking a clearly attackable balls. Also I don’t think you read my comment right because I said that is the job of the right side player(Collin), I’m saying he is still failing. He cries over easy netcords even if he can still recover and misses so many counters. He rely’s on Ben to literally cover everything. There’s was many balls hit middle that were just winners because Collin expected Ben to cover his side of the court.

[@sethc2241]

bro did get robbed like 3x by the netcord lmao

[@attybong]

they won by pure luck via foot fault (which cannot be contested by the johns for lack of timeout) @ 11-10 .. 😢😅

[@rummannasiri2]

I see people everyday in the community centers that play better than these guys

[@wavecamtu]

The Johns isn't Ben playing like an amateur but very arrogant. Ben lost because of him!

[@MatthewRachel-i7s]

Davis Eric Wilson Barbara Thompson Ruth

[@Amorfatiart]

God, these announcers are so obviously biased against the Johns brothers, it’s ridiculous. What hacks these announcers are!

[@5IVEZERO]

SCARPA USA

[@good2freelance1]

Lucky win, Newman made more mistakes than Alshon

[@dennyo612]

Lucky win? The Johns brothers made more mistakes than Newman/Alshon. That’s called a win not a “lucky win”

[@pd3924]

Among these four, Christian Alshon was the most successful tennis player. He was a blue-chip during his junior years. Got recruited to Virginia. Later transferred to U of Chicago. With the best tennis background among the four, he can certainly succeed in PB.

[@gardamun]

It's ridiculous to use a word like Lucky for athletes that spend hours and hours every day in training. They live eat and breathe pickleball. If I scored one point against any of these players in a game, we could happily call that luck.

[@Basilisk2077]

Newman was the alpha dog for most of it

[@good2freelance1]

@@gardamun I did watch the whole video, it can go other way ... therefore lucky win

[@RalphL12332]

Vulcan ball really sucks. It really does. 2nd thing tho Ben hits his dinks aggressively and sometimes too high so they attack. So we can’t blame all this on Collin. They need to get back to dink battles keeping it low. But the ball could be the problem

[@cashclark113]

It could also be that they built the court on a ballroom floor. It sounds really loud and weird when the ball bounces.

[@theakountant8444]

Paddle improvements have made it possible to play much more aggressively, which is the biggest issue the Johns are facing. They have zero offense from the right side, and really only score points in a couple ways. They need to split up.

[@LFEHova]

There's nothing inherently good or bad about the ball. The big issue is Collin isn't growing with the game and is still hellbent on resetting everything. He literally isn't a threat on the court to win the point, even if you hit him a high dink or dead dink. So anytime the opponents feel threatened, they just send it toward him to get a free reset on the point. Collin needs to adapt to pickleball in 2024, or he and ben will be done.

[@GaryMLive]

@@cashclark113 yeah I’ve seen more returns hit out in this venue then I think any outside venue this year. I’d venture to say that statistically supported, but the question is why… - Is it the psychological switch from outdoor to indoor? - Is it the venue itself? /flooring - Is it the ball?

[@ray1johnson1]

The ball can't be the problem. The winning players are using it, too. Everyone has to make adjustments.

[@hellobenny]

Ben Johns needs to team up with Q

[@ImportantComment]

Crazy. Makes you wonder when Collin will drop Ben

[@WayneRicker]

Can the commentator PLEASSSEEE stop talking soooo much!! Can we just watch the game!!!

[@Pickleandrepeat]

Losing with paddles that should be banned, LOLLL so bad

[@daniellehoggarth9642]

Hall Gary White Karen Perez Barbara

[@bayrat7060]

This game lmao....

[@carson11699]

Dislike Colin button

[@TracyJordan2122]

Just curious if anyone else notices this. It drives me crazy watching Newman with his head throwback on little dinks and all the extra limb movements. The head throwback on a dink is so dramatic.

[@Sensimuse]

Haha I'm definitely in the same boat, so annoying seeing Newman spazz out during even slow dinking rallies. It's hilarious seeing the commentators talk about how athletic he is (agreed 100% dude slides like butter over the court) followed by a motion that looks like an old man attempting to catch himself from falling over after a routine dink.

[@TracyJordan2122]

@@SensimuseHaha yeah I just can't help but think every time he does not make the sport look good. It doesn't help he has a reputation as a tool. I'm sure if he was super nice we'd be a little more forgiving

[@RalphL12332]

38:33 @BenJohns_pb those next two backhand dinks are not clean because I can tell your not in your usual heavy continental grip there

[@RalphL12332]

You need to go back to it

[@RalphL12332]

Ben pops to many balls up. That Vulcan ball is shit

[@jwestpiano]

Vulcan Gen 2 is pretty great actually. The gen 1 was bad.

[@mex5341]

@@jwestpiano true! no need to blame the ball

[@kronikzblehtcgs3303]

Don’t blame the ball bro , stop with the excuses

[@SuperPilotMike]

The ball is garbage. Only reason the John’s keep losing. Funny how they won nearly every single major tournament last year and then they change the ball and they barely won anything now…hmmm.

[@Hh-lf6yl]

Just a wanna be ex semi-pro tennis player who couldn’t make it to the big leagues, & his whining older brother! I wouldn’t know they were brothers, they sure don’t act like it!

[@anneswearingen1192]

CJ SUCKS! Ben needs a new partner!

[@RickLeon7]

So happy I’m just tired of the John’s game style.. Too boring 🥱

[@jeffcaptain6738]

Winning often is.

[@greenbox00000]

I’m more tired with the ppa meat-riding honestly

[@ray1johnson1]

@@greenbox00000 , what does that mean? I don't get it.

[@greenbox00000]

@@ray1johnson1 the special treatment, constantly propping up the Johns as the faces of the sport and "best in the game" even though it's debatable at this point. It's tired, annoying and disrespectful to the handful of other great athletes and personalities that have equalled or surpassed them. I can't argue about ALW bc she's clearly a league above other women, but I still find her treatment annoying as well.

[@ray1johnson1]

@@greenbox00000, I don't have extensive stat knowledge on the Johns bros and other men's teams, but you can easily look it up. I don't think you're aware of Ben Johns' dominance and contribution to the sport. He has a 108-match winning streak, 123 titles/golds, and 23 trip crowns. McGuff has 1 trip crown. Ben is the all-time best player in the history of pball...and he's 25. I don't get what you're complaining about.

[@mccgunter]

Dave Fleming’s commentary on professional pickleball has become stale and outdated, filled with repetitive clichés and dad jokes that miss the mark. It’s time for him to step aside and let a fresher, more dynamic voice take over. Pickleball deserves commentators who can bring energy and originality to the sport-qualities Fleming clearly lacks.

[@casey10614]

Yeah he is the worse one. Sounds like he is perpetually stoned and won’t shut up. If he is paired with the girl that has the obnoxiously loud laugh I can’t watch at all. He tells a dumb joke and her laugh will blow off your EarPod quick and in a hurry. Can I just watch pickleball and they tell jokes after the game OFF camera. Thanks

[@vahec9302]

For being pro players, these guys hit way too many dead dinks.

[@UrAvgGamer]

Pressure is high

[@Billy4242]

Most of the dinks are making the players move/re-position, even if just slightly. Not too many "dead" dinks, especially when a dead dink usually invites a favorable speed up, which these do not. The player who is countering still has the advantage on most of these balls, if they were sped up.

[@plannedtuna8293]

Get out there and show them how it’s done

[@razrgu3838]

lol, go on court and try

[@casey10614]

Dinks are harder than rip em style 4.0 Play. Especially in competitive play.