Pr. Ron Kelly's comments about Conrad Vine and church leadership

[@beltoftruthministries]

Since Belt of Truth previously shared the controversial Conrad Vine comments that got him cancelled, we thought it would also be proper to share these comments from his friend and colleague Ron Kelly. Belt of Truth added the clip of Diop saying they never promoted the vaccine; that was not in the sermon; we wanted our viewers to see it for themselves so they don’t have to take Pastor Kelly’s word for it. Belt of Truth added the yellow text, as well, to help viewers understand some of the politely vague references Pastor Kelly is making. And of course the Conrad Vine post at the beginning of the video was added by us. This video is most of the closing segment of the 8:30am Ron Kelly sermon entitled, “Crucial Conversations,” presented at the 9/21/24 Conrad Vine Religious Liberty Weekend. Enjoy the full sermon here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmKoiXWHgb17f5Ysi=X3gyn2oZRS_7bM8e Liberty and Health Alliance appeal here: libertyandhealth.org/liberty/

[@BirkirAkureyri]

I watched Mark Finleys interview live on 3ABN when he looked straight into the camera and said " of you don't get vaccinated you are a selfish person"....if that isn't promoting the jab I don't know what is......Diop is pushing for Ecumenism . shaking hands with Satan's representative the Pope.... Spirit of Prophecy warned against it

[@sda4ever]

Thank-you for adding your comments Bro. Ritsama.

[@sda4ever]

It is because of your templates Liberty Health that I was able to keep my job in the military, although I had to take the test weekly. Thank the LORD for your ministry’s quick action. Also, thank God for the Lawyer Mr. Zurkiel and Dr. Lewis, Dr.McClough. I thank God also for Pastor Henriques who has had the spiritual discernment to speak against these things before they come. For example; in discussing the Flu vaccine well before the C-19 he interviewed Dr. Perenich , which brought me back to the flu convictions I had. I asked my church back in 2014 and the pastor told me that it was ok because it is not being digested. I never believed this because it goes into your bloodstream and I had studied autism and was already plant based so I was fresh on all the documentaries and the Bible. I also was still in the military and new the ingredients inside. So, thank God that their are men and women in the ministry that are using their platforms and talents to help us. Amen Dr. Perenich and his book on SDA and Vaccination regarding EGW. The link below was one of the first but Dr. Perenich used to have very detailed sermon and diagrams in his channel too. kzbin.infoF8u4T5ROXj8?si=8wS5-gnxloQaT46r

[@sefatsakhauta2849]

​@@sda4ever thanks for the link it has been helpful to me

[@sefatsakhauta2849]

Thank you for being truthful belt of truth. May God bless your ministry

[@dwighthibbert7309]

This is precisely my point. I certainly don't want any split. But leadership of the GC cannot be made to believe that they can abuse their office without any repercussions

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@dwighthibbert7309 100%

[@beaelleess3892]

AMEN 🙏 Amazing the inability of them to see this as an issue …. 😢 As it has been said: "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"…. People will do what they need to do the next time a pandemic comes around, and they will know who will be interested in our liberty of conscience … and who does not care Godspeed ❤❤❤

[@allisonstephens1837]

Exactly!! They can say do what they want, but when someone days something about the WRONG that's going on, this person is banned??

[@dwighthibbert7309]

Is this not how Popery behaves?

[@MaranathaSDAHomestead]

Well, I won’t be sitting on the fence where truth as it is in Jesus is concerned. God’s gave is church the health message and freedom of choice. So to be cancelled for specking truth or shutdown for wanting to address important issues,is not the spirit of God.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Amen

[@HV71851]

Agree!

[@patriciahiggins9718]

Amen!

[@lilzayahlomula5388]

Amen and amen!

[@kareengangell5791]

I agree. what happened to religious liberty?. we are behaving like the world, with this evil cancel culture. everyone should be entitled to speak their minds, in love, and not fear being banned, or cancelled, because we dont agree with our leaders, or vise versa

[@barbarareid3301]

I am definitely standing by pastor Conrod Vine

[@beltoftruthministries]

Amen. We all have our little differences but we need to stand together.

[@luciahelenagavioli8951]

​@@beltoftruthministriessou brasileira e adventista há 30 anos não entendo inglês maa sei perfeitamente quem esta ao lado da verdade e o pastor Conrad Vine e um homem de Deus. A conferência geral não pode agir de forma ridícula como esta agindo colocando o seu conceitos e poderes acima do ESTA ESCRITO DO SENHOR JESUS. estou farta de assistir tantos desatinos mas eu sou somente uma mosquinha latina bem pequeninha que o SENHOR TENHA MISERICÓRDIA DOS SEUS ESCOLHIDOS E OS LIVRE DOS SEUS INIMIGOS.

[@BirkirAkureyri]

​@@beltoftruthministries God waited for the apostles to be in one accord before He could pour out the Holy Spirit....the latter rain is NOT going to fall till there is unity in the church. which I don't ever see going to happen....to much of power struggle and pride going on...

[@laceretol7745]

@@beltoftruthministrieslet’s stand together in truth!

[@prayerpower1585]

​@@BirkirAkureyri"Only those who are living up to the light they have will receive greater light. Unless we are daily advancing in the exemplification of the active Christian virtues, we shall not recognize the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in the latter rain. *It may be falling on hearts all around us, but we shall not discern or receive it.* 101Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 507. From Maranatha - Page 219

[@arthurmellet5803]

Thank you Pastor Conrad Vine for standing for Truth God Bless you and your family

[@circumspectus9309]

This is a direct consequence of the conference siding with the state and sticking their head in the sand. Conrad’s sermon would not have been necessary if the conference would have addressed the issue when it was brought up. Oh, by the way it’s still hasn’t been dealt with. This makes it difficult to believe they will stand for their members in the future. 9:37 0:03

[@beltoftruthministries]

This is true.

[@beaelleess3892]

Agreed 💯 When managers don’t manage people start doing what needs to be done based on how they see it … this is a super basic principle

[@js4437-n1e]

Even now, if the Conference would speak TO Pastor Vine, and others who share his sentiments, instead of speaking AT him (passive aggressively), then issues can be resolved. Everything has to be bathed in serious prayer though.

[@patriciahiggins9718]

Absolutely!!

[@lilzayahlomula5388]

I agree. It's being conveniently ignored. The same way WO non-compliance is ignored. The same way the alphabet issue is ignored.

[@mbulirojoyce4425]

The GC isn't humble enough to apologize to its members even when it's crystal clear they are wrong!! How certain are we that these people won't do the same in the future? I stand with Conrad and the leadership should be called to accountability.

[@PastorPaulBalaban]

As a pastor of 15 years I stand with Conrad Vine. He said nothing wrong, nothing against the rules of the Church.

[@beaelleess3892]

❤❤❤

[@meluginnetti1574]

We’re witnessing an EGW prophecy being fulfilled right before our eyes, please read it below. FYI… as we have the 28 Fundamental Beliefs (FB) today the Pioneers had a DOCUMENT entitled “The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES” to declare what EGW said was the PLATFORM OF TRUTH. You can read them in any of the Yearbook years of 1889,1905,1909,1913 and 1914 (the last calendar year of the life of EGW). Compare them to the 28 FB today. Today’s corporate SDA Church is a different RELIGION than that of EGW and the Pioneers - IT’S A DIFFERENT SHIP so to speak. Please read her prophecy: The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the DOCTRINES which stand as the PILLARS of our FAITH, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The PRINCIPLES OF TRUTH that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be DISCARDED. OUR RELIGION WOULD BE CHANGED. The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES that have sustained the work for the last fifty years WOULD BE COUNTED AS ERROR. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be ESTABLISHED. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. NOTHING WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THE WAY of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, WITHOUT GOD, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and STORM AND TEMPEST WOULD SWEEP AWAY THE STRUCTURE. 1SM 204.2

[@patriciahiggins9718]

Amen!

[@BirkirAkureyri]

@@PastorPaulBalaban "rules of the church". WOW...I don't follow man's rules when they are in conflict with the Word of God.....

[@JRM684]

The problem was his recommendations which are unfounded from biblical and Spirit of Prophecy perspectives

[@billymoser2805]

Lord help us! The greatest want is men who are not afraid to call sin out and who cannot be bought or sold. God help us 😢

[@beltoftruthministries]

Amen

[@FutureToHim7]

Amen!

[@wintemoreclarke4517]

Amen! 🙏

[@beltoftruthministries]

Have to say it: The clip of the GC Religious Liberty director saying they never promoted the vaccine is one of the most bizarre turns in the church Covid saga.

[@ZJesusIsTheWay]

Yes

[@kbarrett1844]

Amen - Truly had to take a double-take as I couldn't believe what I was hearing... The next GC session can't come soon enough.

[@RobinDale50]

If he truly said that, then the GC and Church need to take seriously that they are now actively misleading Christians and Adventists and are no longer advocates for truth.

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@kbarrett1844 you’ll be a delegate I hope, Kevin?

[@kbarrett1844]

@@beltoftruthministries - I’ve only had the privilege at the Union level. I think delegates for the next GC session have already been picked. However, I will be praying earnestly.

[@marieatkin5669]

I have been studying the issue at hand and have been for a long time, studying prayerfully Scripture and the S&P. I see that soon there will be no riding the fence for any SDA. It is becoming clear who is doing the cleansing or sifting at this point. I do stand with Dr. Conrad Vine, someone had to take their stand for justice and truth. Many Adventist's lives have forever been altered in a very negative way during the covid crisis, our conferences took their stance with government mandates, some lost their lives, many their careers and marriages, and many who suffer terrible disabilities because they were forced to take the jab. If Christ were here today and Sister White, they would most certainly be persecuted and banned. God help us as His professed people, we are beginning to see who stands for God's truth and they will be few . . .

[@beltoftruthministries]

A lot of truth right there.

[@fruitofthepirit]

Let this be a wake up call for future mandates, most notably the mark of the beast, when we will be mandated to receive the mark. At the end of the day, we must be prepared to stand on our own personal convictions no matter what the GC's position may be and no matter the loss. Help us Lord Jesus 🙏🙏🙏

[@Heavenly_hope]

excellent points there. Sr. White would not hesitate to issue pointed rebukes to this situation. I agree, she would surely be banned or maybe disfellowshipped today. Dr Spalding, Magan and Edson White all were encouraged by her, to work for the Lord separate from GC control (in early 1900's). How much more, if alive today,(in light of all the problems in GC) would she encourage us to do the same!?

[@lamabela100]

Hermano, no está ni Cristo ni la hna White. Pero que hay perseguidos por está organización apóstata no hay dudas. Lamento que no los veas.....

[@lilzayahlomula5388]

May the Lord help us. 🙏🏽

[@davidhannan2023]

Especially when President Elder Wilson told us to keep the GC and him accountable, and when we do, we get shut down and kicked out.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Yeah the cancellations escalated the controversy.

[@KnowledgeNest777]

@@beltoftruthministriesAnd shows guilt as well.

[@meluginnetti1574]

We’re witnessing an EGW prophecy being fulfilled right before our eyes, please read it below. FYI… as we have the 28 Fundamental Beliefs (FB) today the Pioneers had a DOCUMENT entitled “The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES” to declare what EGW said was the PLATFORM OF TRUTH. You can read them in any of the Yearbook years of 1889,1905,1909,1913 and 1914 (the last calendar year of the life of EGW). Compare them to the 28 FB today. Today’s corporate SDA Church is a different RELIGION than that of EGW and the Pioneers - IT’S A DIFFERENT SHIP so to speak. Please read her prophecy: The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the DOCTRINES which stand as the PILLARS of our FAITH, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The PRINCIPLES OF TRUTH that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be DISCARDED. OUR RELIGION WOULD BE CHANGED. The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES that have sustained the work for the last fifty years WOULD BE COUNTED AS ERROR. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be ESTABLISHED. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. NOTHING WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THE WAY of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, WITHOUT GOD, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and STORM AND TEMPEST WOULD SWEEP AWAY THE STRUCTURE. 1SM 204.2

[@Peter-b6q5f]

Agreed! We are told we have freedom of speech and freedom of conscience, except when we disagree with you, we are your conscience and we are always right. That can only mean that we are popes, just functioning in another denomination.

[@nataliejoan437]

Imagine if God did this to Satan when he rebelled, Just cancelled him and kicked him out? I stand with dr Conrad Vine

[@normasonnentag9686]

My husband and I have great respect for Ron Kelly, but it seems to us that, instead of taking a neutral path down the middle of the road in an effort to make everyone happy, he should stand solidly for the right. In this case, he should stand solidly with Conrad Vine in Vine’s effort to induce those in upper management in the SDA church to admit their error, repent and apologize. Many have had their lives destroyed, and have even died, as the result of the GC statement regarding religious exemption. How could they do that to us?

[@3AMUnpopularTruth]

I'm ashamed of all those that are diplomatically castigating Conrad Vine for his statement. Money will destroy their ministries soon.

[@sharonwilhelm2173]

Dr. Conrad Vine is a man who has true LOVE and concern for the flock! I would listen to him and trust him guiding me through, but I am sorrowful to say that I can't say that about Mr. Wilson and what seems to be "yes" men, especially with something as dangerous as that medical experiment was, and still is today. Dr. Vine is what a true leader should be. I very much respect him for doing what he did.

[@Heavenly_hope]

agreed, Dr Vine seems to be one fine devoted man of God. However, I can't see the denomination as a whole (with the present leaders in control) really finishing the true work. It looks as though Dr. Vine's suggestion of a 'para-church' is a great idea - the "irregular lines" so to speak. I mean, let's face it, most of the leaders don't really want to hear true protest.

[@chrisdelong2932]

“Remember the words of Christ, remember that He is the unseen presence in the person of the Holy Spirit.” - Daughters of God, p. 185.2, Letter 124, March 7, 1897. Amen!

[@sharonwilhelm2173]

@@Heavenly_hope I agree. Nothing he said was out of line with what should happen if the church falls into situations like this. I have seen what that awful mandate did to several people I care deeply about. I hadn't been led to SDA until 9 months ago, but if I had heard a minister telling people to go get it back then, I would have shut the door on that quickly. I'm so glad I didn't hear that back then, or I would have been entirely put off by such words

[@Heavenly_hope]

@@sharonwilhelm2173 im glad for you, you avoided much potential problems. You know, one would think that the leaders, knowing these tragedies would feel compelled to come out and at least apologize and show real remorse. ive heard that they got much money during the pandemic. bound up with worldly chains, they almost cannot (will not) admit their wrongs.

[@gabriellebrowne1388]

@@chrisdelong2932 Ellen said, God will raise up humble men without institutional training, but moved by the unction of the Holy Spirit , to finish the work. I wonder where all the Institutionally trained Pastors, GC, ,those with degrees in religion, have gone?

[@melodybaker2337]

I've been praying. I know that we are at the end of time. I heard a sermon on Sabbath that talked about the disciples coming together before Pentecost and confessing their faults one to another. Prayer and confessing led to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. We need the outpouring of the Holy Spirit as the latter rain.

[@marciliochaves734]

Agreed! Since I have been following this history, your comment is the first one I read that talks about pardon, forgiveness. The spirit I see in most comments is revenge, separation, finger pointing, this is not what God expect of us! I pray that our eyes are open and heal all the wounds 🙏🏻

[@FearNoWeapon777]

@ marciliochaves THANK YOU. There us a REASON why we are told to read 1 Corinthians 13 every day and to memorize it. The comments section is plastered with the spirit of JEHU

[@marygercke6255]

Yes, they were of one accord

[@WayneSinclair-ow3vt]

If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God. . 3T 280.3

[@beltoftruthministries]

Love that quote.

[@Craig-w5k]

This why this happened the no renewal minf no tranformation Sermons on what a Christians must be ,must do no deapth, Looking at the state world Every under sun is ok marry any thing that take your liking even the church to men being women NO TRANFORMATION PORN IS RIFE ADULTERY IS RIFE WE LOST THE FEAR OF THE LORD EVEN IN LEADERSHIP IF WAS SO THIS SERMON WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO. BE PREACHED

[@achillese1265]

I think Dr Conrad Vine was called by God like Esther for such a time like this. I pray that God continue to guide him and Pastor Kelly to be champions for the Kingdom.

[@a7d3m5e1n9d]

I'm sorry for stepping in. I must confess, I'm not a nominal Adventist. In fact, I'm a new Christian with no denomination. Still haven't been baptized, but soon will, with God's direction. 3 years ago, when Truth struck me, the message that drove me to Christ was spoken by a certain Adventist teacher (not even knowing that this denomination existed). Have read EGW books, and, by my surprise, everyone I've read has passed irreprehensibly through the filter of the Bible. So I would say I'm not a nominal Adventist, but an Adventist nonetheless. I have been very surprised with the comments of certain leader (Diop), about ecumenism, the Papacy caring about religious liberty, and all kinds of travesty of the truth that I understand why so many people within the Church are concerned. I know I have no say on the matter, but I'm worried about the current state of this church. Just want to say: stay rooted in Truth. Salvation is individual, not organizational. God save people, souls, not entities. Even if Israel bends the knee to Baal, there will be a remnant, carefully preserved by Jehovah. Let's be part of the remnant. Let men decide who they will worship this day, if Baal of Jehovah. As for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah. God bless you, Adventists brothers.

[@pauly3882]

I stand with Dr. Conrad Vine

[@beltoftruthministries]

Including Vine’s support of Kelly at the beginning of the video?

[@valeriehobbs336]

Dr Vine is now dealing with Jobs friends. Thankfully he will be praying for them also.

[@lilzayahlomula5388]

@@valeriehobbs336. Beautifully put.

[@beckyirvin4935]

What we need as a people more than anything is fasting and prayer for this issue, for the speakers on other platforms, for our leaders especially with the upcoming GC session. Unity in truth! We DO need pastors like Kelly and Vine in leadership rolls. Praying 🙏🏼

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@beckyirvin4935 amen

[@app608-n]

Amen

[@pauly3882]

We should have a term limit for GC and Union leadership. Our organizational structure is the same as that of the Roman Catholic church, which Sister White strongly opposed.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Term limits. Good idea.

[@marsfran55]

I like the term limits idea! I wonder how we go about introducing the topic?

[@beaelleess3892]

@@marsfran55without being shut down 😂😂😂 like we’ve seen before

[@meluginnetti1574]

We’re witnessing an EGW prophecy being fulfilled right before our eyes, please read it below. FYI… as we have the 28 Fundamental Beliefs (FB) today the Pioneers had a DOCUMENT entitled “The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES” to declare what EGW said was the PLATFORM OF TRUTH. You can read them in any of the Yearbook years of 1889,1905,1909,1913 and 1914 (the last calendar year of the life of EGW). Compare them to the 28 FB today. Today’s corporate SDA Church is a different RELIGION than that of EGW and the Pioneers - IT’S A DIFFERENT SHIP so to speak. Please read her prophecy: The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the DOCTRINES which stand as the PILLARS of our FAITH, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The PRINCIPLES OF TRUTH that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be DISCARDED. OUR RELIGION WOULD BE CHANGED. The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES that have sustained the work for the last fifty years WOULD BE COUNTED AS ERROR. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be ESTABLISHED. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. NOTHING WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THE WAY of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, WITHOUT GOD, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and STORM AND TEMPEST WOULD SWEEP AWAY THE STRUCTURE. 1SM 204.2

[@LJLJLJLJLJ]

Thank you for posting this, I hope and pray it clarifies what was said and not said. I’m deeply disappointed in our GC, and support Dr. Vine. I believe there is still potential for good to come of this. Praying for Dr. Vine, the GC, and most of all that the brethren will press together ❤️🙏 God Bless you Scott and your ministry ❤️🙏

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@LJLJLJLJLJ amen. God bless you, LJ

[@FearNoWeapon777]

I pray so as well. But reading the comments on these videos, I do not see that spirit of willingness to come together.

[@sallyhulbert5610]

And that is why everyone praying about this is so important. 🙏🙏🙏

[@kentdavis9624]

I have been spiritually blessed listening to many of Pastor Conrad Vines' Holy Spirit driven presentations. I appreciate the way he speaks with clarity he doesn't speak in gray it is black or white. He speaks for Jesus Christ to His Church. He doesn't straddle the fence to keep both sides comfortable. And since it is the Holy Spirit guiding him, expect that the members and / or leadership's feet to be stepped on where deserved. The history of Martin Luther and what Martin was pointing out seems remarkably similar to what Conrad Vine is experiencing now. Martin did not want to start a new Church he wanted the Church he belonged to to stop being apostate. But his Church didn't want to change, so his Church canceled him. Thank you, Martin Vine. I mean Conrad Vine for doing the right thing. Hopefully soon the Conferences and those that refer to you as a friend will repent from canceling you because of those Holy Spirit driven words. May Jesus and His Holy Spirit continue to be with you. Please continue to find pulpits to share His words. Thank you, Pastor Conrad Vine.

[@joedinofrio8189]

Cancelling great men of God is not the answer. Communicating as brethren, each with equal worth, and value is critical. Top church leaders simply can not ignore questions that come up about their controversial actions. Being transparent should come easy to those imparted with the righteousness of Christ.

[@KESaxon]

The biggest and most detrimental issue IMHO was not that the GC supported the jab (although history and the truth known even at the time about the possible health dangers of these experimental treatments has and will continue to prove that decision un-Inspired), but that they refused to allow exemption letters to be written. THIS is the issue that needs to be changed immediately, no more discussion. If they had promoted the jab but still given out exemption letters for church members who requested them then, even if the person’s employer still refused to allow it, the church would not be in any way liable for condemnation. However, I will also say that the GC also allowed their university leaders and hospital leaders to force and pressure the students (both prospective and already attending) and employees to take the jab or be quarantined and PCR tested WAY too often, which wasn’t healthy either. Yes, term limits, lest they begin to behave like dictators, not leaders.

[@gabrielsuzette8873]

C est a se demander avec ce genre de comportement si la vie humaine a du prix a leurs yeux tandis que des soit disant chercheurs d âmes . Cherche des chercheurs d âmes vivantes ou des âmes mortes telle est la question si cela recommence vont. Ils recommencer de plus belle ou plus virulente n est ce pas puisqu ils ont déjà goûté a ce pouvoir car pour eux la vie humaine a un prix tandis qu ils prêchent que la vie a du prix aux yeux de dieu c est innommables c'est faits ou était le saint esprit ou était leur yeux de discernement ou était les soirs disant conseil de la chekina ou était des questions qui demeuront sans réponses vu la la manière dont ils traitent ceux qui tirent sur la sonnette d alarme quand le king rugit ou parle tout le monde glisse ventre a terre devant lui c est ce qui en ressort dommage

[@karenshawe8220]

@@gabrielsuzette8873so true but sooooo sad😢😢

[@brucesydney7745]

Jesus called out the leaders when they were wrong. Mrs. White called out the leaders when they were wrong. Conrad said nothing wrong. He called out the leaders as so few Pastors are willing to do. I disagree and am disappointed in much of what Ron Kelly said. He sounded prideful to me. I stand with what Conrad Vine said at the Caribou church. Conrad is most courageous and we pray for him daily.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Glad we have the freedom to disagree. I think suggesting tithe reallocation was out of harmony with SoP but that infraction pales in comparison with the grievous crimes against humanity during Covid upon which our leadership compromised.

[@opalgrant2350]

​@@beltoftruthministriesso you are saying tithe should be sent to an organization that is not in support of truth; doing all manner of evil that's is against Biblical principles and SOP

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@Bookend I would’ve loved a question during SS on this topic. I’ve been open about my views here for many weeks. What do you mean “Conrad to disagree”?

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@opalgrant2350 how much SoP on the tithe question have you read? Guess number of pages.

[@LewinMellinese]

​@@beltoftruthministries"One saying of the Saviour must not be made to destroy another." GC370.2

[@steve44238]

I stand with Dr conred vine

[@janiceeteme5536]

Thank you, Elder Kelly. I agree with the spirit of your message. I believe with all my heart that when leaders shut down positive dialogue and allign themselves with apostate practices, they are no longer fit to lead. I say this with respect and love.

[@barbarareid3301]

It's all about the money 💰

[@meluginnetti1574]

We’re witnessing an EGW prophecy being fulfilled right before our eyes, please read it below. FYI… as we have the 28 Fundamental Beliefs (FB) today the Pioneers had a DOCUMENT entitled “The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES” to declare what EGW said was the PLATFORM OF TRUTH. You can read them in any of the Yearbook years of 1889,1905,1909,1913 and 1914 (the last calendar year of the life of EGW). Compare them to the 28 FB today. Today’s corporate SDA Church is a different RELIGION than that of EGW and the Pioneers - IT’S A DIFFERENT SHIP so to speak. Please read her prophecy: The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the DOCTRINES which stand as the PILLARS of our FAITH, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The PRINCIPLES OF TRUTH that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be DISCARDED. OUR RELIGION WOULD BE CHANGED. The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES that have sustained the work for the last fifty years WOULD BE COUNTED AS ERROR. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be ESTABLISHED. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. NOTHING WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THE WAY of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, WITHOUT GOD, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and STORM AND TEMPEST WOULD SWEEP AWAY THE STRUCTURE. 1SM 204.2

[@joannegill4001]

Thankyou Scott, I appreciate the additional bits you added for clarification and also the links you included for further reference. Watching from Queensland, Australia 🦘🙏 God bless!

[@shure46]

Sorry but when this diop guy says dont worry about rome they have changed they are nice now ..... he is certainly ignorant and has no business in leadetship

[@GoodWillPrevail]

His speech was confusing. It seems he was playing up to each side.

[@beltoftruthministries]

He’s taking issue with both sides and trying to bring peace graciously while speaking truth.

[@edski808v]

He was not taking issues to both sides, he was trying to put a balance. There is error on both sides, but we need to be cohesive and unite as one. I disagree with the tithing, but the rest of the message was fine. Our leaders have yet to apologize for keeping silent during the jab, and not supporting the exemptions. We need to find the middle ground and discuss, as what Pastor Ron Kelly stated in his sermon. Let the angels do the sifting lest the wheat are pulled out with the tares.

[@BirkirAkureyri]

​@@edski808vplease identify the errors in any of Conrad s presentation on this matter.... you also stat😮that leadership did NOT promote or push for the jab.....I watched Finley being interviewed live on 3ABN when he looked straight into the camera and said "if you don't get vaccinated you are a selfish person"

[@wandahewitt9584]

@@beltoftruthministries 100% I respect the way he approached this situation.

[@stephendebruyn]

Although it seems "fair" to play up both sides, would you think it fair to play up Goliath as well as David?

[@jennap7789]

Scott, I’ve been praying hard for the GC leaders to open their hearts to reasonable and valid correction. I'm praying too for Conrad Vine and his family. Pastor Vine did a very honest and courageous thing and put in words what many have been thinking and feeling since the 2021 reaffirmation statement. I'm extremely grateful for your own ministry. How does someone from Canada provide financial support to Belt of Truth? God is being glorified by your ministry. Bless you, Mr. Ritsema.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Amen regarding the prayers. This is the donate page to contribute to the work via online offering beltoftruthministries.org/donate/ Mailing address is 11333 N Backus Rd Lakeview MI 48850 Wonderful to have you on board, sister. God bless you abundantly.

[@juligraham7319]

Finally a voice of reason that I agree with 100%. Praise the Lord! 💕

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@juligraham7319 I really like this sermon, I also would’ve liked to see an indication of proportionality of wrongs. Conrad vines infraction of suggesting future hypothetical tithe re-al location, contrary to the spirit of prophecy, is small compared to the actual current misallocation of tithe in defiance of the world churches vote on women’s ordination, and it pales in comparison with one of the biggest global crimes in history that we participated in.

[@ruthhaigh2675]

​​@@beltoftruthministriesThere is a lot going on in our churches, the list is endless... Satan is working hard at dividing the sheep. The thing is this, everything is coming out through social media platforms... How many people who are seeing this has decided to not join our church🤔 Dirty laundry strewn all over the place, is God happy with His remnant?

[@racheljohns5549]

I stand for Conrad Vine and for Ron Kelly. Both are good men of God and will to stand up for God. Scott thanks for sharing this. You are a blessed man of God as well.

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@racheljohns5549 God bless you Rachel

[@Last_day_events]

I have never seen such a emotionally charged time as now. I fear this emotion will not calm down anytime soon. I hope it does. I hope there can be calm discussions. But it seems like it is getting worse. That makes me sad.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Yeah we need to reason calmly, discuss cordially, and pray fervently

[@cantablocal6768]

While I don't know about the anti-vax movement in the USA before Covid I know that there was a large number of SDA people who were anti any vaccines here in NZ before Covid arrived. Hence, they naturally jumped on the false prophecy idea that this time it was the mark of the beast or a test like the king's food in Daniel 1. As you describe emotion & feelings are more important than fact for many people over this issue. Hence, they continue to hold negative thoughts instead of seeking the unity that Jesus prayed for in John 17. Personally, I am prepared to let them believe whatever they want about vaccines the same as I respect their choices in lots of everyday things & regret that vaccine mandates were used (although they were a response to the misinformation that was rapidly spread online) so I can only hope that we can unite in teaching the 3 angels messages asap.

[@js4437-n1e]

That would be the ideal. However, this stirring up can be a good thing. It can wake up the wise virgins and cause fervent prayers which would lead to a true revival of godliness. What Satan means for bad God can bring good out of it.

[@meluginnetti1574]

We’re witnessing an EGW prophecy being fulfilled right before our eyes, please read it below. FYI… as we have the 28 Fundamental Beliefs (FB) today the Pioneers had a DOCUMENT entitled “The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES” to declare what EGW said was the PLATFORM OF TRUTH. You can read them in any of the Yearbook years of 1889,1905,1909,1913 and 1914 (the last calendar year of the life of EGW). Compare them to the 28 FB today. Today’s corporate SDA Church is a different RELIGION than that of EGW and the Pioneers - IT’S A DIFFERENT SHIP so to speak. Please read her prophecy: The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the DOCTRINES which stand as the PILLARS of our FAITH, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The PRINCIPLES OF TRUTH that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be DISCARDED. OUR RELIGION WOULD BE CHANGED. The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES that have sustained the work for the last fifty years WOULD BE COUNTED AS ERROR. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be ESTABLISHED. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. NOTHING WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THE WAY of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, WITHOUT GOD, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and STORM AND TEMPEST WOULD SWEEP AWAY THE STRUCTURE. 1SM 204.2

[@rickjones4603]

Listen to Ron Kelly straddle that fence. Good skills

[@beaelleess3892]

😂

[@merg-vh5sx]

He's the only person with a message that could result in the healing of - instead of deepening of - the current rift.

[@gabriellebrowne1388]

Satan owns the fence

[@SherylScott-m2l]

@@merg-vh5sx when someone hurts another - what brings healing is recognition of the pain caused and an apology. The church hurt many people, who would graciously forgive if the church recognised the damage their decision caused.

[@eldridgelombard4796]

Praying is not enough. Praying with actions. We have to be bold and courageous. We have nothing to fear!!! My faith and trust is firmly in Jesus Christ as the head of the church. We shouldn't be surprised!!!

[@paulyP1599]

One of the most elegant and powerful discourses on this matter. Thank you for posting this. Blessed are the peacemakers.

[@judithjones6733]

Thank you to Pastor Kelly. That's the most Christ-like, balanced perspective i have heard yet. Oh. that everyone in the sda church follow in love the principles in Scripture. Please, Lord, give us each a humble spirit and love for one another and unite us by your grace so that Your commision can be completed and You can come and take us home.

[@natty144k]

I appreciate your video approach throughout all of this... You've kept it simple, to-the-point, and non-assailing.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Thanks for that. I don’t want to insert myself into it. Just let people hear it and think for themselves. I still do owe people an official Belt of Truth statement since people asked, but this isn’t the time.

[@marsfran55]

@@beltoftruthministries, agree Scott. My grandma always said “the more you stir a stink the worse it smells”. That is only one of her sayings that has kept me on the gentler path!

[@lizzyboneez]

I'm glad Dr. Vine was brave enough to speak up. If what he said was not the best solution, at least it definitely got us talking and thinking that our leaders need to be responsible for what they did in 2019 and 2020 so on! Ijs....let's talk about it and be 💯

[@honnorjustice]

A mature message. What needed to be said. Let calm heads prevail and the truth be heard so that healing can begin.

[@Snoddypossie]

I was so uplifted by both of Pastor Kelly’s sermons this past Sabbath. Particularly poignant was that reminder of Elijah, following his huge day on that mountain , running in the dark of night and storm before the chariot of Ahab to see that he returned safely. Sacrificing self to serve the King who sought to kill him. This is the mind of Christ.

[@beltoftruthministries]

That moment in the second sermon was the highlight of the weekend for me.

[@Snoddypossie]

I think we all in our grief needed this reminder.

[@Snoddypossie]

@@beltoftruthministriesTruly those of us who love this truth, have come into this truth are grieving. We needed to be reminded that Gods ways are not our ways. At times I felt Pr Kelly was there. He painted the scene so beautifully. It was a sharp reminder to me. I needed to hear that message at this time.

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@Snoddypossie amen

[@LessOfMeMoreOfThee-wz3xr]

Prayer. Together. We need to come together and PRAY. Lord, give us all the eyesalve.

[@rodneygraves1230]

This man spoke in opposition to Conrad Vine, who boldly spoke the truth! I'm amazed at the level of participation in the cancelation and retaliation against one brother while affirming the church leadership and the Michigan conference! May the Lord help his SDA church!

[@annparram-cornwall6251]

I definitely stand with Dr. Vine. Its not right nor helpful either to mis-represent SDA as "Closet Terrorist". This need to be address urgently. Pastor Kelly, what he is saying is so vague, and unfair argument.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Amen. We have our differences on the tithe hypothetical, but I stand with him also.

[@kandyg1326]

I'm going to be a little transparent right now........... Since 2020 the thought continues to stir around in my mind that says, "I wish Pastor Ron Kelly could become our next General Conference President.

[@beltoftruthministries]

I don’t think you’re alone. He’s clearly the leader.

[@kandyg1326]

He surely is! 🙏🏼​@@beltoftruthministries

[@Rivermoonproductions]

Conrad Vine should be the next GC president.

[@beltoftruthministries]

I could see that one too.

[@hollyjones3779]

Nope. He is a double talker. Bible says double minded man is unstable in ALL his ways. Take out Ted and put in another unstable soul. Nope!

[@ocstealth2]

Thank you, Scott, for putting this together and posting it. In all the KZbin chaos regarding this subject, I had missed it and it renewed my respect for Pr Kelly and Village Church, who I send support to even though I'm in FL and they are in MI. I'm definitely not a fan of what the GC is becoming, or what many of the conferences have become or are becoming. However, we still have a few good churches across the country (none are local to me though) who are spreading God's message of love AND the 3 Angels Message. Pr Kelly and Dr Vine have exceptionally wisdom and are knowledgeable on what Adventists need to do to be gathered up to meet Him when Christ returns for his Saints. Unfortunately, too many Adventists think because they are SDAs that they are automatically ready when they're not. Remember what EGW told us about so many Adventists being shaken out at the end time church. Scott, thanks again for your wisdom and problem solving.

[@marygercke6255]

For those who may not have seen Conrad Vines sermon The Naked Emperor, or did but don't remember, there are many examples of the Administration promoting the jab and the efforts of Conrad to reach the Administration to get appropriate measures of change. The great thing about Village Religious liberty weekend was the talks going over what happened in Germany with the SDA church. It gives light as to what to expect moving forward. I think we can safely assume that there won't be change unless people are removed from their positions.

[@Rphillips91]

That was a beautiful message. I'm so glad for our preachers that don't feel their need to cast their lot in with any man but the man Jesus Christ. Being able to point out wrongs on both sides shows that you are not merely a reflection of another man's thoughts. Reminds me of how many times EGW had to do the same thing with two parties which were both not wholly in the right.

[@harley6394-h3f]

I will be more sympathetic to our Conference leaders if they were dealing faithfully with sin and corruption in our midst rather than supporting it with their indifference. "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins."Isaiah 58:1 I stand with Dr Conrad Vine on this one. They ought to resign.

[@Grateful4Grace-r3u]

I'm a fan of brother Vine, the conference eh, the SDA movement, a big fan after 30 yrs in pentecostal churches this has been a blessing. I live in Sebring Fl and attend sporadically the Avon Park SDA ch. It was wonderful 16yrs ago when we became members. My wife is involved in guest ministries and is always in attendance I usually lean more toward the third angels message and tend to seek that out. Conflicts in leadership I usually ignore simply because it's not my job to pull up tares. Character development is crucial now as we are so close to the final events. I usually walk past your home every morning as I'm trying to get my 11,000 steps in. One day I hope to meet you I've been keeping up with your ministry since we had those big old sat dishes and could record everything when Amazing disc. came on the scene. Anyway nothing that happens within the GC will affect my walk with Christ He is my all in all. God bless you Scott and your fam.

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@Grateful4Grace-r3u introduce yourself when we are at Avon Park this fall! It’ll be good to meet you.

[@JoycelynMayo]

Keep Speaking Conrad Vine!! Keep Speaking And Telling The Truth!!

[@paolao6667]

Surprised that Pr Kelly did not take a stand either way …

[@janiceeteme5536]

I am definitely praying for our leadership. I am praying that they will repent and apologize for the egregious mistakes and lack of empathy they have shown over the last four years in regards to the Covid Crisis.

[@howardloewen1834]

Waste of breath to pray for the leadership, what needs to be done is stop sending them money.

[@wengyap268]

@@howardloewen1834 Yes, money speaks loudly and clearly.

[@AdventEchoo]

thanks Scott... and in all my comments in certain sites etc, I try not to misjudge Ron Kelly because deep down I respect the man, he stood and still stands with the downtrodden... the problem Im seeing is, we are asking ourselves to be humble on this issue, which is good, but the arrogance from the other side is just too much... No apology, nor acknowledgement of wrongs, nothing whatsoever. And lastly, I believe, Dr Vine nor us (conservatives and the concerned) we are no longer able to stop this... somehow God is now taking the reigns, the motion is set

[@beltoftruthministries]

Good thoughts. Pray now for humility for leaders. And may we lead by example.

[@debracaller4020]

The problem for the GC is they can't admit wrong because it puts them in a legal problem . I'd being sued civilly

[@prayerpower1585]

​@@debracaller4020Hmm

[@js4437-n1e]

The problem is the GC is walking by sight and not faith. They're not trusting God to FIX their gargantuan faux pas. Their lack of faith, ego and pride is causing them to be vague and offer half hearted fauxpologies that amount to, 'mistakes were made'. They're minimizing the problem from a physical perspective but more importantly from a spiritual one too.

[@jackelinevelasco7680]

Well, Everything was said… now is the time for being spiritual Christian and work hard trusting Jesus as our faithful leader. Pastors need to think consciously for their souls because the day of judge. God know our hearts, now is the time God allows it happens to open our eyes and woke up. God bless you!

[@cheryldavidson-k5f]

where is the repentance from the GC?

[@unseen3333]

It is important to remember that the only reason they had the discussions that Ron Kelly referenced was because Conrad Vine was willing to speak truth and be the point of the spear to push for redress which is what should have taken place long ago. However when people are vague and refused to speak pointedly to a situation they are ignored by Church leadership. Thank you Scott for your faithfulness and the others in the Liberty and Health Alliance!

[@js4437-n1e]

"However when people are vague and refused to speak pointedly to a situation they are ignored by Church leadership." This, this is the problem! Danny Shelton preached a sermon a few months ago entitled, We Are Not The True Church. In it he addressed some of the issues that Pastor Vine addressed in his sermon. Danny even said to take your tithe from unfaithful conferences and return it to faithful conferences. He didn't get the backlash that Pastor Vine got. Pastor Vine was more detailed/pointed in his sermon. Danny was basically ignored but Pastor Vine got GCs attention! Many times slaps on the wrists are ineffective.

[@KITO1966]

Although Conrad Vine made some important points, and in many of them I support what he said, I think pastor Ron Kelly makes some good points here also. We must continue as a church, even with all our different points of view. We must find common ground on which to stand united to await the return of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@wengyap268]

There may be no 'common ground' to find when the next mandates comes. "By their fruits you shall know them" .

[@jeffpaul8260]

It seems many do not want to cross the conferences in our ranks. Dr vines presentation was done with respect and love. And he was correct. This is why so many sda members leave and go to an independent ministry.

[@dwighthibbert7309]

Pastor Ron, the GC leadership caused the death and injury of many of our brethren. Pastor Ron, so since you disagree with the call for a "para Church," what's the parth forward if and when the GC leadership impose future mandates on the global Church? May I suggest that "doing nothing" IS NOT an option. So if you have a better option I am willing to listen to it. In closing, it's strange and amazing the venom with which "a mere suggestion was met with. Yet it I feel like the magnitude of the GC leadership’s handling of the crisis and the decisions are either not realized or are been down played.

[@beltoftruthministries]

I’ll chime in and say this. I’m against tithe reallocation organization. But the magnitude of Conrad’s infraction pales in comparison to that of church leadership on the Covid mandate issue.

[@christiedecker2724]

@@beltoftruthministries The way I understand it, para-churches are home churches. I live in New England. The closest church is 13+ miles. When I can neither buy nor sell, I won't have gas to drive there. My income is Social (in)Security. Any tithe will be given locally to those in my home-church for their sustenance as it will be produce, not cash. City people may not realize these things, but it will be a local circle around me, not hundreds, thousands of miles away that my tithes and offerings go, or that I go to church. Thank you for this SHORT video explaining Pastor Kelly's understanding. Blessings.

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@christiedecker2724 a parachurch organization is a ministry that supports the church not a house church

[@christiedecker2724]

@@beltoftruthministries para means 'along side of', which can just as easily mean home churches because there may well be organized churches still, at least at first.

[@beltoftruthministries]

That’s a potential hypothetical I suppose. Organized house church movement as a parachurch organization. Dr. Vine presented house church as underground not as an organization.

[@3angels.Rev.14]

No Religious Liberty for Pastor Vine. I support Pastor Vine 100%

[@jaimea5382]

Thank you, Belt of Truth, for sharing this video. May God continue to strive with His people.

[@geraldinemoreno1486]

To Pr Kelly, you sound like you are fence sitting. How long halt ye between two masters? Call sin by it's right name. Stand up. Let Conrad preach!

[@geraldinemoreno1486]

What is next? We put Conrad in the sewer?

[@howardloewen1834]

Thank you Scott for posting this video!

[@beltoftruthministries]

My pleasure!

[@amorino7776]

May God give us strength and courage to stand for the truth and at the same time to love those who oppose it. That may be harder than we think. That certainly doesn't mean being neutral, or trying to stand with one foot on the dock and the other on the boat that is not anchored.

[@sharonhodges7723]

Thank you for sharing this. I am praying for unity in truth and the completion of the work that God has called us to.

[@medusa210562]

This speech says nothing. It just tells me this man is convinced of his convictions. I suffered much much during covid. The Church was very concerned to keep government money

[@TodaEscritura...]

Ron Kelly is a well-balanced godly man. It is very difficult to keep that balance, because we want either black or white. God gave him grace to say these difficult but loving words. May God bless Pr. Kelly.

[@qurlel1591]

My friend, God says He would rather us be hot or cold, not lukewarm, because He would spew us out of His mouth 😞🙏

[@TodaEscritura...]

@@qurlel1591 being balanced is not the same as lukewarm. Lukewarmness is a condition of the heart. Being balanced is not going to either extreme and recognize the wrong that both sides have made. It is not applauding only when the wind blows my way, but also objectively analyzing how things could have be done in better way. We tend to be very emotional when it comes to these issues, but we need to reason with our minds, and based our criteria on the word of God. Pr. Kelly shone in those remarks as a good champion of Christ.

[@BirdieBird77]

God bless you, Scott. Thank you for sharing this!

[@Markshipowick]

Conrad: "He (Pastor Ron Kelly) has been a pillar of strength to me . . ." Unfortunately Pastor Ron, you were no pillar to Conrad in that statement. Your demeanor betrays your doubts about the compromised position you're taking. You won't have peace if you continue to waffle. Scott, the same goes for you and for all of us. We all know the GC did wrong. We all know that this is no small issue and that if the leadership refuses to admit they are wrong they will be responsible for causing the split. It's decision time. Conrad is right.

[@ChristianLove7]

I stand with Dr. Conrad Vine, who has been called by God for such a time as this🙏🏽!

[@johanvh35]

I love pastor Ron and have been listening to his sermons for a long time now. But I am afraid if it were up to anybody else than Conrad Vine this issue would have not gotten any attention. As I have come to find out things do NOT get discussed in this church! It gets buried.

[@mizzyroro]

I, I, I. What you think doesn't amount to a hill of lentils. Tell me thus saith the Lord.

[@whitneyellis688]

It has got to be remembered that the controversy is not between each other. It is a controversy between good and evil. May God help us to be good so as to cause us to be agents of righteousness and not agents of evil. Laodecia is like a sitting duck to the schemes of the kingdom of darkness. We really need God's enlightenment and help. 🙏

[@arlenecampbell3851]

Thanks for making this available. Light is a good thing.

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@arlenecampbell3851 you’re welcome

[@robertaj3767]

Pastor Kelly’s sermon was a well -crafted attempt at excusing the wrongs done to Dr. Conrad Vine. He praised Luther for standing up for truth, but did not honor Dr. Vine’s stand for truth. Dr. Vine was correct in calling on the church to support freedom of conscience, to release the leaders that will not stand for truth, and for every single church entity to break ties with the government and its money.

[@glendaescudero]

I want to honor God, not the church leaders.

[@sefatsakhauta2849]

We need no neutrality in time of crises. Pr Kelly has not stood for truth but his emotions in the entire safa.He was allover the place, his message was opinions mainly and can't be backed up. I think Where he disagrees with eitter Gc or Dr Vine he was supposed to put clear thus saith the Lord and not paraphrase scriptures which had a different context from his speech. Hence many don't appreciate his sermon as it lacked a way forward for his thesis unlike Dr Vine who raised issues and put clear directions

[@Sabrina5358]

What a great and wise statement, this comes from God. He loves us even though we are imperfect, that what we are asked to do also of our fellow man.

[@sharontanghal3360]

Thank you so much for sharing this.

[@AKZK527]

Incredible! Nice way to straddle a fence. I was hoping the local and most popular leaders would have the courage to call sin by its right name. This controversy would not have been aroused had the GC leadership acknowledged their tremendous errors, made restitution, then assured us nothing like this would ever take place again. They doubled down, then labeled those who call out their sins and errors as slanderers and seditious. Jesus is King, the wheat and the tears will grow together until the harvest, but make no mistake, Ezekiel 9 will be literally fulfilled. Study these words for they will be literally fulfilled; yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. {18MR 236.2}

[@blosslindsay5647]

Pastor if it's not the money and you don't need the job why is it so difficult for you to stand for what is right. Mr Wilson said we are to hold our leaders accountable.. so tell me Mr Kelly how do we do this accountability thing..?

[@Heavenly_hope]

Seems to me that pastor Kelly is doing his best to take neutral ground. The leaders must be held accountable. There is nothing wrong with strong protest, directly calling for an apology and suggesting certain actions to avoid future abuses. I for one, believe cancellations will continue, and, am very doubtful that any substantive corrections or apologies will take place; why? because Sr White said - when the Omega gathers steam and momentum - "...NOTHING* will be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement..." 1sm 204. How, then, will the true work come to a glorious close? By means of the "irregular lines" or a "para-church movement.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Trust me he’s not neutral on the crisis of the past four years.

[@pammie232]

Pastor Kelly is a man of God who is seeking peace!! He is rational and balanced in is stance. God bless and keep him faithful 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@dwighthibbert7309]

It didn’t say whisper, it says with a 🎺 Isaiah 58:1 “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.”

[@beltoftruthministries]

Amen

[@Snoddypossie]

@@beltoftruthministriesBut always at Gods bidding and not picking up our sword from our own emotion as Peter did. God grant us the wisdom to know the difference.

[@beltoftruthministries]

Amen

[@lindawilliams9132]

Pastor Kelly may God bless you as you endeavor to stay true to Him🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@viraarmstrong9784]

Two Prayers for Just Such a Time as This. Daniel 9. John 17.

[@manuelguzman8117]

I am not follow any man but christ,

[@beltoftruthministries]

@@manuelguzman8117 this is one of the best comments!

[@janiceeteme5536]

Thank you for speaking about the importance of dialogue between church leaders and the members

[@roscogwells9242]

Dr. Conrad and Pr. Ron are decent men, they both love God and His truth. I appreciate Pr. Ron wearing his heart on his sleeve in this video, well done. I respected Conrad's points in his original message. I don't respect those involved in Conrad's character assassination, and those who have sort to cancel him. Consider how many Jesus could’ve cancelled, but He didn’t! Dr. Conrad, come to Australia, hopefully you shall be more respected here.

[@rush4hire]

"It will take all that papal mind out of us, ... and it will put there the divine, tender, loving mind of Jesus Christ, that wants no creed, because it has Christ Himself. GCB/GCDB 1893, page 265.5 Ron Kelly is no different than any Catholic preacher. He calls AT Jones out for calling leaders papal, because of having a creed mentality

[@GardenYourHeartOut]

I’m not for a para church and relocating tithe, but I love everything else that Dr. Conrad Vine stands for.

[@jeffpaul8260]

So i am hearing that no one should do anything. I love the sda church so.pray for the.leaders but they must be held accountable.

[@stephendebruyn]

There will come a time when it will be preached to keep sunday AND sabbath, so that noone will get offended of course. And how this will be a wonderful witnessing opportunity, and how we should be thankful to our leaders for helping the state to make religious freedom exemptions for sdas and Jews...

[@kimberlyroach1071]

This is yet one more example of why I have the utmost respect for Pastor Ron Kelly.

[@PeregrineFisher]

“God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disregarding and despising, for in so doing he despises the voice of God.” (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 3, p. 417). “When, in a General Conference, the judgment of the brethren assembled from all parts of the field is exercised, private independence and private judgment must not be stubbornly maintained, but surrendered. Never should a laborer regard as a virtue the persistent maintenance of his position of independence, contrary to the decision of the general body.” (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 9, p. 260). “The very beginning of the evil was a disregard of the word of Christ… And just in proportion as men lose the spirit of love and unity, they lose power with God. The enemy of all righteousness has prepared his temptations for every soul that is not closely connected with God.” (Gospel Workers, p. 443).