Prado Problems: Toyota responds

[@philgrant7205]

"Land Cruiser drives us home...' except if there's dust or puddles!

[@brendan3430]

Or long grass as per latest Toymota recall.

[@fatmanoverlanding]

🤣

[@chrisandshazza01]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RidgeRacr]

Heaven forbid you take it though a car wash

[@AzzaBro59]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Saphire0437]

Car washes dont force water into your airbox like hitting a pond like a hoon does.

[@southerngentleman5321]

or wash it with a pressure washer like so many love to do.. got to get all that grease and engine oil out and replace it with water! lol..

[@SevenMacEleven]

@@Saphire0437 Cars in the 1960s could drive in water 😂😂

[@samuelwambugu2002]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nathanielstrefford8912]

As a 30+ year mechanic on a whole lot of different types of vehicles never in my days have I heard such BS from a manufacturer claiming that water in the air intake caused the electrical system failure, as I’m sure we all know this was a failure of the V-tech system where water ingress into the 12v/48v starter generator unit has caused the issue and nothing to do with water ingress in the air box, we all know what that causes

[@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi]

30 + years and youve never worked on a hybrid clearly. Go back to school or retire mate, a lot of hybrids take air intake for electrical systems through the primary or secondary air intakes. 30+ years hahahaha

[@grimreaper6112]

@@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi Another expert there a dime a dozen.

[@tallboy49]

I have always been under the assumption that the air intake provides clean air for the engine to operate , so i am confused as to what the air intake has to do with the electrical system.

[@ameetnarayan9219]

​​@@tallboy49as per Steve211 explanation. Similar system is used for starter generator cooling, for an aircrafts APU. Except, the APU starter generator uses a separate cooling fan driven the via the accessories gear box.

[@filmntvguy1977]

So why not just put an alternator in also, and be 100% redundant on that one issue?

[@chandutomaz]

In summary, this is not an offroader.

[@skullandcrossbones65]

More like a fair weather 4X4.

[@fredericoespinoza]

Its a school pickup car for the rich husband wives in sydney

[@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi]

lets be real hardly fking any of these will make it off road anyway. At least with Toyota they will improve, unlike holden or ford for example that had the same problems from inception till death

[@FergHyde]

If you hadn't noticed they're not improving. It's a gradual decline.

[@jamiesultana3725]

@@FergHyde - and probably a reason why somebody like me will not buy one....

[@JackInDaBoxx]

From a Land Rover owners perspective, you guys can no longer repetitively say "Land Cruisers will always get you home"

[@Jyden_Carmody]

That's not a landcruiser mate. Real landcruisers stopped at the 200 series plus it's a Prado

[@realash]

Also no matter how bad toyota gets it still will be more reliable than a new land rover

[@DJTrumpMAGA]

LC70 can

[@Saphire0437]

​@Jyden_Carmody everyone has a "real landcruisers stopped with the [insert favourite model here]" comment. It's tiresome.

[@Speakthetruthplease]

Toyota left the group😂😂😂😂😂

[@michaelsmith9866]

As predictable as the sunrise is Toyota blaming the operator for the problem. You drove in a reasonable manner. An off road vehicle should be able to cope with a water splash. The explanation remains unsatisfactory from Toyota

[@aussieadvrider]

Bit like albo and his team, blaming everyone else

[@Dani-it5sy]

They basically just admit that the car can't handle a splash of water. And that the customer is supposed to know that and always drive walking speed through water. How the f do they admit the flaw while blaming it on the consumer at the same time.. This was a dumb move from Toyota..

[@PlumbBob-FGX]

Twenty years ago a service manager was trying to explain away some warranty issues. I interrupted him mid sentence with this. " I'm not interested in your soft coc excuses, just sort the problems." He finished with. "Will do." Sometimes you just need to be firm but polite.😂

[@peterburdett8131]

Your water crossing is not unusual & anyone travelling outback who’ll do this essentially if towing & you don’t want to get bogged. Toyota is overpriced garbage.

[@Murrayhewitt1967]

@@peterburdett8131 I loved Toyota. I love my 2008 Prado. This is all just so disappointing. In Australia Toyota are taking us for mugs with too much money.

[@bearlyawake3904]

​@Murrayhewitt1967 because mugs with too much money are allowing it

[@Matt123a]

Yeah, nah. They work perfectly for AU conditions. All you have to do is slow to walking pace anytime you encounter water. Same as EV's, you just have to top up the battery at every opportunity.

[@reubs91]

Driving on a very wet day, on a very wet road would yield similar results as the water crossing. Let’s see what winter brings..

[@Saphire0437]

*your water crossing is not unusual WITH modifications like breathers and a snorkel. There, fixed it for you. Anybody hitting the wet stuff hard without a snorkel is not bright.

[@angyp74]

This needs a better explanation from Toyota. Water in the engine air intake affecting the 48V system dosen't make sense IMO. Maybe it's some other air intake system.

[@Murrayhewitt1967]

It’s the afterthought mild hydrid system. Just popped in somewhere. No wonder this 250 was 6 months late than forecast. Engineers had to come up with a solution. A solution that will prove to be a recall I bet.

[@einfelder8262]

I'm tipping they use intake air to cool the generator/alternator/starter thing. Because the airbox lets in dust and water, the generator gets wet and sh*ts itself. Very useful when travelling remote in Australia and you get a downpour, because, for example, travelling at walking pace from William Creek to Oodnadatta is exactly what anyone would want to do...........

[@maddawg9116]

Good luck trying to claim warranty if you're not an influencer. Toyota are doubling down on an inferior design of the 48V system that they built.

[@rc70ys]

In America the GR Corolla are self combusting and catching fire 🔥 Toyota are blaming the clients.

[@Murrayhewitt1967]

@@rc70ys I’ve seen that on Ripleys believe it or not. Self combustion.

[@paulsimpson8990]

I find it hard to believe that they actually designed their hybrid vehicles when I see the level of incompetence Toyota has with this and their EV. The old guy that did the hybrids and the other guy that did airboxes have both retired and did not train anyone else at Toyota

[@Wanderer6891-w4p]

Toyota lost their Land Cruiser engineering mojo - sad

[@mixalis6168]

they couldnt design the back space, so how could the design decent motors and so on !

[@lot6129]

Ford engineers moved there

[@anthonyboland]

The way you drove through the water looked ok to me.

[@fred3527]

Toyota should take note of how KTM killed their brand by not honouring their warranties.

[@lukewarm2075]

Its a shitbox lets be honest😂

[@edjohn4590]

Just like all Toyotas

[@fredericoespinoza]

@@edjohn4590 wrong

[@Jyden_Carmody]

Sounds like you have never had a landcruiser mate

[@lukewarm2075]

@Jyden_Carmody what a 250 that can't go through water?

[@Jyden_Carmody]

Sorry mate I agree with you the 250 is a shitbox but I was talking about old mate who said that all Toyotas are shitboxes. hes obviously never owned one

[@stevens.2574]

More electronic more problems

[@jayzcafe1294]

I've always said this.

[@HammerRocks]

I didn't expect Toyota to admit a design flaw on their new model (even if there was one or two). Their reply is as much as expected, and that is to pass the blame on to the user. Though, having a "Land Cruiser" brand on the model (even if it's just the Prado), I would have expected better protection from that action.

[@bruno6115]

Ronny dahl has bought one, so if anyone is going to test a vehicle in the bush its him. Will be watching hes channel with interest.

[@rodneym5868]

100% I watch him also.

[@buzz9972]

Saw one the other day and found the engine computer mounted in the front left hand side of the engine bay has not got the connectors sealed with rubber grommets. The middle connector in the module has exposed wires allowing water to drip down into the computer module. Yes you heard it hear first. Go have a look and you’ll see

[@Murrayhewitt1967]

@@buzz9972 my goodness. Going to be so many problems.

[@FergHyde]

It's been a few years now since Toyota made tough, reliable cars 4WDs. Their advertising is such that folk still believe it though.

[@johndoe-el5fi]

Water via the intake air causes the 48 v system to shut down😂 as a mechanic I’d like to see that system explained🤨🐂💩

[@jarrod1687]

Yeah how the f does that work, what parts of the 48v is downstream of the intake tract?

[@BennosShed]

Is the 48V cooling some how integrated into the air intake? I am also wondering why if this is so why did it not hydro lock the engine?

[@TerribleTezza]

See Steve211 answer about 10 comments above. He seems to know a lot about it???

[@Saphire0437]

Shouldn't really matter. Water inside the intake at all usually doesn't do great things.

[@MrWerd910]

I think water got into the 48V system and has nothing to do with the intake. Clearly it's not watertight.

[@andrewporfyri559]

Yea, I was hanging out in anticipation for this Prado but how disappointing. No way in the world would I feel comfortable taking this car in the middle of nowhere thinking it may not bring me home safely

[@stevens.2574]

, So what happens if your doing 80ks on the highway and hit a puddle bigger than that which has happened to me many times

[@einfelder8262]

You stop, and have to pay for the repair because it was your fault. Oh what a feeling :)

[@oggyoggy1299]

That’s what he said.

[@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi]

same with any diesel car that gets a teaspoon of water in it.

[@espkh1549]

It’s only 60K in china… Aussies government is ripping you off

[@Saphire0437]

Nothing. Unless the puddle a foot deep. In which case you will run the chance of doing that to any unmodified car. Or hydroplaning yourself to meet your maker. Seriously, does this stuff need explaining?

[@terrysmith7740]

Prado 250 needs to be stripped of its LandCruiser status.

[@noctilucent7396]

Nah

[@brentonl2631]

It's badge tells you it's a LADIES CAR PRADO.

[@noctilucent7396]

@brentonl2631 Nah, not a ladies car. it says Land Cruiser Prado, im guessing you're Australian you guys opinion doesn't matter

[@skullandcrossbones65]

Oh what a feeling, Water.

[@jasonr3165]

It's every Toyota buyer's fault. They pay more money than other Japanese brands for the same plastic and decade old engine. It's a cult.

[@mangiblotarinawabag4964]

Best Prados are the 120s and 150s. Never a problem playing in bonnet deep water.

[@Angler233]

I heard the 150s like to have the occasional melt down.. piston melt down.

[@Saphire0437]

Did you have a snorkel by any chance?

[@rosspane4542]

My Dad has a 150 series it’s done 1 & 1/2 laps round Australia towing a large Caravan has never missed a beat awesome car , runs a K&N air filter & regular servicing that’s it !!! 😁👍

[@GregB95]

The water cannot have gone via the air intake - that would have drowned the engine. I am guessing but I believe the 48V system would have been blasted from below. Any which way, obviously not a good design.

[@einfelder8262]

Water in alternators has been a feature of Toyotas for long time - 80 series, 200 series, add the rest?

[@Saphire0437]

​@@einfelder8262ah but everyone here is trying to tell me you can drive all othe landcruisers through water over the bonnet!

[@joblogs1072]

Toyota reached peak reliability from 1990 to around 2010 down hill ever since. The late model ones are far too electronic and who wants Addblue or no boot space or fake hybrids.

[@jamiesultana3725]

...very true that. A 'mild hybrid' is not a real hybrid compared to a Camry or Corolla

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

All corporations end up this way eventually. Never ending growth means that you need to minimise costs and maximise profits and cut corners to achieve profitability.

[@calsfishing2620]

People need to stop calling these things a Land Cruiser…..they are a bucket of absolute shit.

[@AppleSlipper]

Disappointed, but not surprised about that response from Toyota Australia. They are doubling down on that problematic 48V mild-hybrid.

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

Sometimes it is actually necessary to go quickly through a water hole in order to have enough kinetic energy to make it through. Imagine if the bottom was soft silt that day and you'd gotten it stuck. Also, how can "we R&D our cars in extreme Aussie conditions" and "don't drive so quickly into the big puddle" make a rational argument?

[@Saphire0437]

Buy. A. Snorkel.

[@JohnErnstP76]

Great response....... by you.............. total BS by Toyota. It reminds me of their initial denial of the DPF issues I faced with the 2018 150, it was my fault etc, well we all know how that ended for Toyota I'll evently get a compensation cheque for that mistake. Even now their "fix" was NOT an engineering solution but instead a software bypass. The DPF sensor was clogging due to poor design, and this meant the DPF clogged up, Toyotas solution bypass the sensor and program a DPF burn default ever 300km irrespective of if it needed it or not. These burns typically take 30km and burn extra diesel in the process thereby reducing the range from about 1300km to a shade under 1,000 (so maybe it is time to go after Toyota for false fuel economy claims as well) . Then there is the dusting issue you identified - how many Ks has that knocked off the service life of the motor, then the timing chain stretch issues..... surely it isn't all the owners/driver’s fault. Toyota have had 15 years to get the 250 right to me it is starting to look like the 250 stands for the number of inherent faults caused by poor engineering.

[@hedydd2]

If that puddle was the cause of the failure, Toyota have a serious issue to deal with. That is an unacceptable failure in really minimal wet conditions. It really does make one wonder how it would cope with a rainstorm on a paved highway with all the rain and spray that would involve. Also there is no way that water going through the engine air filter would transfer into an externally mounted starter/generator such as its mild hybrid system. The amount of water seen in the video should, as with all other vehicles you have put through there, have been shrugged off by the vehicle as being mildly damp with no malfunctions resulting.

[@Saphire0437]

You understand that speed plays a factor, yes? If you hit a foot of mud in a 100 series landcruiser without a snorkel doing enough kph to throw it over your roof, you will kill it. It's a dice roll at the very least. One which carsales lost.

[@madhavamadhav6470]

Good on you confirming it’s a lemon 🍋 now I can feel the reviews from you are not sponsored

[@killzthief7019]

Don’t have any car brand loyalty, but jeez I see a lot of car influencers having trouble with Toyotas, surprising to always hear the reliability claim? 4wd community seem to be dinosaurs

[@Jyden_Carmody]

Mate the old Toyotas were the bees knees, now like all new vehicles they have gone to shit

[@einfelder8262]

So the 48V generator/starter/whatever is cooled using air from the inlet after the air cleaner. The air cleaner is like all current Toyota air cleaners, which is not sealed against dust and therefore not sealed against water either. Brilliant design? No, imagine getting caught in the outback halfway up the Oonadatta or Simpson crossing and you absolutely need to go faster than walking pace through wet roads or salt pans. The Toyota will stop, and it will be your fault!!!!!! Clearly Toyota's "extensive" outback testing was all in dry weather. Fortunately, the buyer can choose to buy another brand. Only those who swallow the "Unbreakable Toyota" mantra will be forced to eat humble pie when their sh*tbox stops in any puddle of water.

[@ChrisSuperTube]

Don't go over 85mph, don't look for our tracker/datalogger, don't drive through water. Got it. Don't buy a new Toyota seems the easiest choice.

[@FHGWoodwork]

People still think the Toyota warranty means anything!!! In my experience the warranty is void the moment you drive out the yard!

[@jackhudson2237]

The great argument whether the prado is a real land cruiser or not has been answered. Soccer mums car

[@user-pp6kw6yl6z]

Some bad news. It's built on the same platform as the 300. Toyota differentiate mildly between them, mostly under the bonnet.

[@paulsimpson8990]

Toyota’s idea of exhaustive testing is obviously different to mine!

[@jonathanfgh1]

I don't know if cars have enough pre-production testing as they used to ? Chinese model update cycles are expected every 2 years. From BYD Shark utes that can't get up hills and Toyota 4WDS that can't cope with outback dust ..... What next ?

[@olly1oo6]

I've driven through plenty of mud bogs in the same manner in my "unreliable" Touareg and never had any issues. I don't think Toyota's response is entirely reasonable here.

[@glynotglen1098]

I would have thought a raised air intake would be a simple fix for this issue?

[@laceyunderall68]

Clearly any electric motor isn’t reliable or resilient enough to handle moderate off road use. That’s a deal breaker for me and I’ll be crossing the new Prado off my list.

[@mavv7088]

If Toyota considers that to be a water crossing requiring you to travel at walking pace, then the vehicle is not fit for purpose. We have had weather events in past few months that have left more water on main roads of Melbourne. If the vehicle requires that I slow down to 5 km/hr for every puddle, it is just badly designed and should not have got of the drawing board. They claim they tested it in the Australian outback, they must have done it during the dry season. I have seen deeper puddles on main highways.

[@fatmanoverlanding]

What a shocker that Toyota blame it on the driver. Regardless, being a "Land Cruiser" model, it should have better protection for that sort of use. This is the off-road focused Altitude variant after all. It should be Land Cruiser tough and Land Cruiser durable. Instead it's more like a tougher looking soccer mum transport.

[@HammerRocks]

If Toyota starts building the Prado more for the urban driver, they should just drop the Land Cruiser from the name.

[@PlumbBob-FGX]

If the soccer is sporting Tats, I think it could still be a bit soft for the task.

[@brutechurchill]

As a qualified toyota high-tech diagnostic senior technician, I have to question the front spring/strut mounting to the lower contol arm. Not the usual Toyota toughness..

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

Interesting. Would you care to elaborate on that one?

[@brutechurchill]

@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars The front struts rely too much on the bolt connecting to the lower control arm. If the bolt breaks or comes loose, the struts next port of call is the road, very dangerous. On all previous models, if the bolt comes out (which they have) the strut will still sit on the control arm and take the weight of the vehicle. It makes bad noise but won't contact the road. It's almost an inherent design safety feature that is missing on the 250 and might be a contributing factor to the white one that failed in South Australia. Have a look at the lower pick up point on the 250 prado and compare it to a 150 series prado you'll see what I'm talking about.

[@espkh1549]

When did Toyota have toughness?

[@Jyden_Carmody]

@espkh1549 haha that's funny mate

[@espkh1549]

@ you must from one of those third world countries like Australia where don’t have real cars to drive…

[@tonysmith26]

Totally agree with the riddle me this question - what happens if you misjudge a puddle “out there”? Can it even handle a heavy downpour? Oh what a feeling but I’ll be keeping my 150 at least until there is way more evidence of its fitness for remote area travel

[@Malama1492]

Guess I’ll hold onto my Hilux a little bit longer now… I was gonna trade it in but this video really put me off lol

[@alberttresslevic914]

Fair assessment mate, ive seen bigger splashes on suburban roads during rain storms, that little puddle whilst looking dramatic was not a great volume or depth of water in the scheme of things. Do better Toyota.

[@Saphire0437]

Shallow water can splash high when you hit it at 80kph. Deeper water can splash just as high when hit at 30kph. It's not really right to suggest that driving through puddles on a road is the same as hitting half a foot of muddy hole like an idiot without even a snorkel.

[@mikomedia319]

Was eager to buy one, but now I won't. I will keep my Fortuner, 100k on the clock and not a single issue.

[@seedmoreuser]

Extreme testing conditions... Bet they only used de-mineralised water on their test tracks. Imagine the damage driving this thing on a damp beach?

[@brendan3430]

Yep BYO tow truck for beach work, Eli Creek crossings at Fraser, under body washes or just driving in heavy rain. Seriously, it's pathetic.

[@ShoeysAdventures]

They drive the same way in their marketing material, so is it false advertising? Ive thatshed my 150 through puddles no issues at all. 250 must be weak.

[@BennosShed]

If it can't handle this small water crossing how many of these 250's will meet their demise at places such as Nolans?

[@tobyclare1252]

It'd never get to Nolan's to start with.

[@chrisandshazza01]

My dream this year, to head to the Cape, park at Nolan’s for 3 weeks and enjoy the show😊😊

[@Saphire0437]

Lift it and do the bare minimum for water crossing preparation. Like...I dunno...an effing snorkel.

[@Reznor_Meeks]

blame the costumer lol Ohh what a feeling ! Must be to watch your brand new $100k Prado fried.

[@samuelwambugu2002]

I love that you exposed that flaw in the Prado👍🏿👍🏿

[@jasonr3165]

Also, people need to understand that you pay much more upfront for the 48V, and the fuel savings over several years are minimal to recoup that initial investment.

[@andrewfryc5602]

Well, it won't be doing $1000 track in Tassie😂.

[@davidkelly3779]

The new Prado is looking more and more like a dud every week.

[@outbackya]

They never mentioned the turbo failure while on road either. Multiple cases already in for warranty repairs.

[@stephenmurray4504]

How reliable would it be if you were doing the Canning stock Route.

[@catchawakeup6411]

It will be fine, there is no water to drive through on the Canning😂

[@spartannomad3036]

Prado is off my list for new car consideration in the near future.

[@jamiesultana3725]

....yep, I'll second that from this end as well

[@addhmann]

This is not good for Toyota, blaming you for an innocuous splash which could happen to anyone any day is not cool. Thank you for being honest and following through. They wont be happy with you pointing this out but that's the gig I guess.

[@ben7020]

You drove like an 18yo, but it should easily be able to cope with that.

[@Saphire0437]

I'm sure it would...with a snorkel.

[@cameronpalmerQLD]

I’m on your side carsales, the Prada should have handled the way you tackled that water crossing. I personally drive water crossings at walking pace, but some muddy bogs need a bit of momentum. I feel if it happened in Japan, Toyota would take care of you. But in Australia, Toyota are very quick to wipe their hands clean of any responsibility.

[@jamesrebbechi5247]

Try driving this through an FNQ wet season.

[@ghewitt94]

When you ford a river, you are meant to keep the speed up so the water doesn't swamp the engine compartment, or so I was taught. Different scenario I now.

[@ianmcnamee1652]

Toyota's Prado is never taken off road. It's only driven by the misses to take the kids to school. I worked at TMCA Sydney office between 1988 and 2004, The spent (wasted) millions of dollars on the Avalon to make it Australia proof. But couldn't compete with a rear-wheel-drive Commodore or Falcon. The Avalon was a dismal failure in Australia. Avalon drive - you might see one.

[@Jyden_Carmody]

Nah mate only this new Prado. The 120 and 150 were good vehicles

[@lot6129]

Yet the Camry was the best made and largest exported Aussie Made vehicle

[@ianmoone2359]

Water & electrickery don’t make good bedfellows. That & Toyota have become not the trusted partners nationwide that they once were. People paid the “Toyota tax” willingly for nationwide service network & the company having your back right through the 40 series, 60 series, 80 & 100 series. Then for some reason they changed, & ended up with class action law suits over the DPF debacle & dusted engines in the 200 series, due to air box leaks etc. These days there’s no justification left for paying the Toyota Tax, because when it all goes bad It’s pretty iffy if Toyota will have your back.

[@mackeymichael]

That's not my experience as a mechanic working for Toyota previously. But if you are trying to put one on Toyota there's the door.

[@ianmoone2359]

@@mackeymichael I own. 2020 Prado 150. Cars great, but my local dealer is an @sshat, charging me double my “capped price servicing fee” because I do so few kilometers a year. 🙄 It’s the exact same oil, filters & labour. If they are making a profit at $260 capped price service then why charge me double just because it takes me 12 months to do 10,000kms. Turned out his corrupt staff were booking out my capped price services to friends & family to save them a buck & according to their computers I had used up all my 6 capped price services. Only trouble is I only have 23,000 kms on it now and that’s a year after they did my 2nd service at 20,000kms. I’ll take my Prado to private mechanics for the rest of its services. Don’t trust my local dealer any more. & he never refunded the over charge more than 12 months later.

[@alanwhite6161]

potential buyer warning to me and instead of thanking you for helping iron out any problems or short coming, after all its just easier to blame somebody else.

[@daweigo6851]

So you cant take a Toyota 4wd off road in water?

[@jamiesultana3725]

...that's what it looks like to me. Looks like you can take a GWM Tank 300 through water - but not the new Prado!

[@rodneym5868]

I think you have been reasonable with your response, but my question is has there been others with the same issue or was this just an isolated incident? I have seen a few reviews with water crossing and no problems? I guess time will tell!

[@johnsmith-ub7vr]

So, if you have a soft bottom water crossing which usually requires some momentum to get through, you're not allowed to go any faster than walking pace in the Prado 250, yeah, good luck with that.

[@mattyoz0]

Momentum is one thing doing 50kph+ is another.

[@johnsmith-ub7vr]

@@mattyoz0 All the other vehicles seem to handle it fine, if you can't drive it through a shallow bit of water like that at speed then I think best stay on the bitumen.

[@doobresick]

There “should not” be any connection between the air intake and the 48v, what designers would do/allow this???

[@dalemyers119]

Toyota has lost all credibility. They are no longer the pinnacle of reliability. The 300 series is an absolute mess The new prado is simply only adding salt to an already gaping wound. BMW are making a more reliable unit than Toyota. Sounds crazy but the Data doesnt lie, not too mention the fact the Toyota Supra is a BMW with a body kit. Tells you everything you need to know. Toyota is broke and are cutting costs via the way of Shortcuts and poor Quality Control. It seems that a Tesla can wade through deeper water than a new Prado 😂

[@rodmm1235]

Should we buy a Tank 300 instead?????

[@petemonster1]

OK so Toyota explained why this happened. Putting aside the speed with which you went through the water crossing/puddle as being the root cause, would you please share with us the official Toyota Australia repair costs? I mean the average person who has this happen in their Prado will of course be told by Toyota Australia that it's their fault (walking speed, blah, blah) and so they will need to foot the bill for this repair. So what is that likely to be based on your specific experience please, noting that we aren't all as likely to be looked after as a reviewer from CarSales...

[@mattmacca3990]

There is something seriously wrong if the new Prado fails because it goes through that puddle…. The last decent true Landcruiser was the 80 series and since then they have become more and more an urban status symbol and the Prado is no different.. capability is not the issue… but reliability is…

[@lot6129]

Its what most of the public need, the 80 was The King

[@vertical-golf]

How does water come out forward through the grill if it's not taking a big scoop as it goes through? boggles the mind

[@aussieadvrider]

I have had 4 new Prados and a 200 series. Shame I won’t buy the 250 prado I was keen. And a 80 series❤

[@rodmm1235]

They will fix the issues soon mate. They always do. Toyota is Toyota. Alternative you can buy a Tank 300.and post us a picture in couple of months with the handle (literally) in your hand.

[@aussieadvrider]

@ wouldn’t buy a tank. No interest. But the boot is too small in a prado, 200 series too thirsty for city driving now days. I am thinking BYD SHARK, but don’t want a dual cab, had a BT50 once for 12 months, not practical for my situation. I love my Toyotas. Haven’t given up on them, I will just keep an older prado for a while,

[@aussieadvrider]

Left out my 80 series and I have a hybrid in London RX400h, the best car, all over Europe in it. 2006, 200k miles.

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

@@aussieadvrider What ADV do you ride?

[@aussieadvrider]

@ DRZ400, Tenere700, CFMOTO450MT

[@DMEU77]

They had so much time ( aprox15yr) to develop a new / good vehicle and they couldnt make it. -No KDSS ( bad) -poor clearence , if you put the same size tires as on LC150, then the clearance is worse -wading depth , questionable -same frame as LC300 but less weight, it means "savings" -small fuel tank -baggage department for 7 seater is a joke -plastic dooor steps, no/poor underneath protection Time will tell what more. Trully, when new LC300 & Tundra came , I saw that they did a bad job-

[@hjtam88]

Thank you for the great review

[@WestCoastTNT]

I heard they are extremely strict with their warenty if you tow with the engine oil that comes with the car (apparently)

[@mercboy111]

That’s harsh on their end. Sounds like a way to cover up faults…

[@derekclements5682]

The went into the battery compartment thru the compartments filter not the engine airfilter

[@derekclements5682]

My other thought is the alternator in the wheels ( wheel motor is also an alternator when not being a motor) so low down and susceptible to water egress god help anyone wanting to go to the cape or cross the Pentecost crossing.

[@stevezodiac575]

Over many years Toyota has built a reputation for toughness and reliability in the Australian bush and outback - this hard won reputation is now at, what should be seen by Toyota as an unacceptable, risk. Sadly, as you demonstrate, the 250 can't follow a 150 out in the bush or on the bitumen (it would run out of fuel trying). And accidently getting into surprisingly deep muddy water can easily happen - although the water was NOT deep in your case. For example: first weekend out in my brand new, then unmodified, 150 (over 7 years ago) a seemingly shallow and short puddle, looking just like all the others in a run of about 8 or 9 (early spring in Julimar State forest WA), turned out so much deeper than the previous puddles. I had muddy water coming over the top of my brand new bonnet and up my windscreen! The engine bay was a muddy mess - including the underside of the plastic cover that surrounds the oil filler cap and under bonnet insulation. The 150 didn't miss a beat, pulled through and continued on. And has kept on ever since. I keep my engine bay very clean, but there are still traces of that mud - including stains on white insulation on the underside of that cover and on the under bonnet insulation - despite many a good clean. So deep muddy water can and does happen in the bush. Seems this 48v system is not fit for purpose. More failures will follow for sure. I love my 150!

[@omarkhatab1020]

Thank you for your honesty ❤

[@MrShanemelia1976]

we have been into outer space AND on the moon ffs, yet we cant design a car to take a puddle. LETS GET REAL !!

[@markoneill9064]

Speed is the most important factor when driving through water. On many occasions I’ve had to wade through depths in excess of 1 metre deep. If the correct procedures are followed and your speed adjusted accordingly, you eliminate most of the issues that could arise. Driving into any unknown water (depth) at speed is rather stupid.

[@nortonco-j7f]

Toyota need to fix the new prado asap. At $100k - $110k it’s pushing close to a Land Rover defender at around $125k for a much better package. They cant afford these mistakes.

[@espkh1549]

It’s is only 65K china… its is expensive In here because of all the tax and lack of competition

[@bradkark]

How much difference does this “mild hybrid” system make. If it was an actual hybrid then great it has a purpose but this system seems like some sort of complex marketing / box ticking exercise.

[@jamiesultana3725]

....that's exactly what it is - a box ticking exercise. I bet the 'mild hybrid' system makes no real difference at all, not even for a fraction of fuel economy. No thanks - I'll wait for a plug-in Hybrid Pajero and see if that can handle water. That'll be interesting to see

[@4bnewb969]

I/m/o the answer you got from Toyota is their BS for ‘ we have no idea’ We need a tech to follow the engine air intake ducting to see if it reaches the 48v hybrid system…I have my doubts. The 48v battery has its own ducting for ventilation. I’m starting to think , if moisture/water ingress is in fact the reason, then it has entered the system, not from the engine air intake, but from somewhere below the hybrid system….in which case that is a design, & engineering fault and (lack of) appropriate testing in environments Toyota tell us the vehicle is supposedly suited too.

[@hoadie]

That was very much a real world test, these sort of thing that could happen at night even. You can’t always gauge the depth of the water. Either your test vehicle was a dud or there’s a design flaw they don’t want to admit. At least it happened to a test vehicle and will get more press.

[@johndoherty2864]

Need to hire a Sherpa to walk ahead and test puddle depth. Or maybe you just have to follow a real 4x4

[@reubs91]

So driving on a wet day on a very wet road would yield similar results. This screams a Toyota issue…

[@freechagosislandjohnpilger]

yes you drove to quickly, 'for that money shot' but its good in a way cause you showed a problem that needs attention

[@curiositykilledthecat1557]

A full technical explanation please Mr Toyota. I'm a mechanic and are far from convinced. The explanation given seems to have come from the marketing department rather than engineering. This fails the pub test. The last people who should need reminding that "reputation is everything" is Toyota.

[@jamesm3268]

Lol. Designed a 4x4 that can't take a water crossing... What a joke.

[@ironlungthe3rd]

Toyota grabbing at straws if thats something that can happen it should have been worked out in the development stage, clearly although saying they tested it that hard, obviously didnt go that far with it..

[@VYXtreme]

Pride comes before a great fall - Toyota, that's a tragic response and this story hound you for a long while now, next time tell the truth