Pre-Fortress 2 - Grenade Showcase

[@-XCCR-]

In my opinion, Pyro shouldnt take damage from Spy's gas grenade cause Pyro is already wearing a gas mask.

[@tf2Sniper.]

Or medic's healing grenade

[@legendarynoob6784]

It’s all for the style

[@npc_citizen9276]

Pyro already has fire resistance

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

Pyro already hard-counters spy enough that I'm not sure it'd be fair.

[@Inconspicuous-Gnome]

In my opinion, pyro should be deleted.

[@semvision]

Grenades worked in TFC because it was a much faster paced game, so hitting chokepoints was vital.

[@justinyuen4950]

That’s probably why maps were designed to make matches longer. Example: dust bowl

[@Pygargue00fr]

You know.... Now that Vscript is a thing, we could re-introduce the grenades and most of the other features inside the game and post it on the workshop, like a bundle of recreation of the early map layouts with the pre-released weapon sets only, no hats or unlockables, just the old unreleased content. I am no game dev, but troughout the years, we managd to find pretty much all of the animation files, models particles and sounds, so it would technically be possible, a brand new gamemode we could call "Blast from the Past"

[@tangerinepaint3643]

Imo the grenades would be neat if they worked like the already existing throwables in live tf2 where they take up a weapon slot and had a recharge after use. “Do you want the healing of Mad Milk or the mobility of the Concussion Grenade?” Stuff like that.

[@Pygargue00fr]

@@tangerinepaint3643 now that would be gold

[@jonsku6662]

Sentry: *Exists* Soldier, Demoman & Spy: "Looks like this is a job for-" Engineer: "Out of the way, let a real texan handle this!"

[@tangerinepaint3643]

Of course the guy who builds sentries knows how they work and what their weakspots are.

[@abdallatifalafandi2522]

I love the animations like how spy take the grenade out of his suit

[@pablomenendez2319]

I recently learned that in H3VR's TF2 crossover update, you could use a few different types of grenades. One of them was an Ubernade, which could apply a short Ubercharge to whoever was caught in the blast radius, whether friend or foe.

[@Velainary]

The engineers emp will be a good balance for battle engies and will result in teams being more smart with their sentries

[@RedGoldDolfin-ez9iy]

The problem is that TF2 doesn't have grenades and PF2 doesn't have Gunslinger

[@lunaleonem3378]

While interesting, let's not forget that the gameplay is NOT design for grenade use. This could be a major issue during gameplay, there's a reason Valve removed them rather than balance them. That being said, I'll check Pre-Fortress 2 anyway to see how well this works.

[@tangerinepaint3643]

they could probably come back if they acted as unlockable throwables akin to the Mad Milk, Gas Passer, or Jarate… at least that’s how I would balance them.

[@SergeantCrwhips]

2:09, the gas passers dream

[@wearenumberone1111]

yeah cool idea but when you think about it I dont want to deal with 9 people throwing these at me constantly

[@captainbutcher1989]

if only this was in base tf2 hell a lot of these grenades would be pretty decent uber builders

[@ultra-rex7648]

the napalm grenade seems too OP. But also cool! Also this explains why they have the grenades along their belts, and never use them.

[@spoopaconhojitas3829]

I get that the grenades are kept on the classes that were originally meant to have them, but I really think that some of these would fit better on the other classes, the Caltrops would be fit better with Sniper, as he can lay them near a corner as an alarm to people approaching him, and it fits with him being a Bushman, or the EMP for Spy

[@LordFindogask734]

My thoughts exactly. Also, the nail grenade seems to be working more as a drone, which sounds more like something Engie would make.

[@SaintRedFox]

emp grenades on spy literally nullifies the point of the sapper and makes it redundant

[@thesurfacepen]

​@@SaintRedFoxit'd be cooler and have more use than the sapper, thats for sure

[@nekronancy9680]

3:38 the best priming animation of all time

[@krimson8089]

Saint Ludwig raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst heal thine allies to full recovery, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the sandvich, and bananas, and mackerel, and steak, and poopy joe, and jarate, and scrumpy, and large buckets of blood. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Heal Grenade of Rottenburg towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall get sick

[@scoobydoo313]

I kinda like the idea of grenades. Although I don't think frags should be able to be used for grenade jumping (that's basically like giving every class the ability to rocketjump, which brings up a whole mess of balance issues) the grenades seem like they fit the class role pretty well. I feel like the napalm grenade really gives pyro that power bump he desperately needs, giving him a cheap and easy source of area control.

[@alexrexaros9837]

I always thought they should've made a class who's entire gimmick is centered around grenades. I still have no idea what his primary would be, but the possibilities are endless.

[@jeremypanjaitan4039]

civillian with grenades only

[@jarekkish5515]

Demoman?

[@drivanradosivic1357]

@@jeremypanjaitan4039 nah, Civilian could be more of a utility class, with all his items having the "FISH HIT FISH KILL" sort of effect by default, since if being smacked by a fish is humiliating, then a Civilian is a even greater level of it. Revolver that has LEntrager damage but can give speed buffs for the Civ on kill, Umbrella that could either open up to soak damage and a alternate stock/unlock cane that hides a sword. and nades offer "get the frak away from me" utility(so a conc nade and something else) as a upside. Alt fire is a buff towards your teammates.

[@Danneeboi]

Why not a class who would give your teammates Ammo

[@drivanradosivic1357]

@@Danneeboi technically engi and his dispensers already do that.

[@RetrOchannel]

Blinding the viewer within a second of the video...

[@wolfcl0ck]

Life comes at you fast

[@spoopaconhojitas3829]

Think fast, Chucklenuts

[@jackravvit5426]

Scout's caltrop/bear traps seem kinda useless, you're already the faster class in the game and you run the risk of getting caught in one and slowing yourself down. Not to mention the kinda little damage it does and how they disappear after a short few seconds.

[@Danneeboi]

Agreed

[@LightningBolt1O1]

But they can be useful guarding a point

[@catpurrito5586]

0:53 THINK FAST CHUCKLENUT

[@dubiousdude2329]

Giving every class (besides scout) a nade jump seems kinda busted. I mean some classes with that type of movement option could be crazy

[@wolfcl0ck]

We had a lot of work put into making sure nade jumping was pretty well balanced during the development of 0.7. Heavy, for example, has an incredibly reduced nade jump. Other classes like medic, sniper, and spy received a huge health vulnerability as a result of using their grenades (for a while, sniper's grenade actually just killed him.) It's definitely a high-risk-high-reward system, but the classes that benefit the most from grenade jumps are mostly the same ones that have equivalent movement options in retail (soldier, demo, pyro, medic.)

[@dubiousdude2329]

@@wolfcl0ck very nice, also nice job on the nades and stuff they look very cool (calling the beartraps caltrops is throwing me off tho)

[@mrlampy]

I have no clue why soldier has the nail grenade, I think it’d be funnier if he just threw helmets at people

[@admiralAlfonso9001]

I wish spies grenade was like tfc

[@duychung3314]

if these grenades were added into present TF2, i think there would be an 4th weapon slots for example, soldier can choose to replace Grenade with buff banner instead

[@drivanradosivic1357]

slot 7 for all classes, since Engi and spy already have sot 4 and 5 in use. that said, a Gas passer like stat mechanic for the grenades, mines and utility items could work better then TFC style grenade system.

[@Deadccfffffffff]

Grenades should be able (to have a chance or not) to explode when a explosion from solder, demoman, sentries, and any other explosions

[@mattiatf2]

i think spy shouldve had a emp grenade

[@protorabbid2876]

Why doesnt scout have the frag grenade?

[@wolfcl0ck]

Can you imagine how overpowered scouts with explosives would be?

[@protorabbid2876]

@@wolfcl0ck oh jesus your right

[@speedody2171]

Where can I get that map lol

[@jeremypanjaitan4039]

its the tutorial map The second map is in the pre fortress mod itself

[@noobqbie1490]

what about sniper or there is no for him

[@silverdededestruction2197]

Once again I'm reminded why despite Valve's ineptitude with balancing the weapons in TF2 in later updates, they had sound reasons with removing many other features before the game was fully released. These grenades are ultimately really annoying to combat against even if they aren't all the explodey kind.

[@happy_crustacean7104]

Hey just like how it was in tfc

[@silverdededestruction2197]

@@happy_crustacean7104 yes, it was awful there and it continues to be awful here

[@shadow50011]

Grenades were fine and prevented extreme camping or massive engy nests. Part of the reason why CTF is a playable mode in TFC and an unplayable stalemate in TF2.

[@silverdededestruction2197]

@@shadow50011 you are supposed to use uber to push against an engie nest, or play demoman and soldier to destroy sentry nests.

[@krimson8089]

Not sure it was worth removing airblast, because i wish i could reflect grenades

[@wolfcl0ck]

We're planning on giving pyro an alternate weapon that brings it back somewhere down the line

[@duyenle857]

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[@sillylittlepyro]

Ngl i would really like the emp in tf2 spy's sapper region

[@Deadccfffffffff]

Battle engineers when EMP grenade was added

[@tmiae5045]

Very cool!

[@madmonty4761]

Valve cut grenades for a reason

[@jess648]

they found that in playtesting players almost entirely relied on them

[@cool_username07]

Because they were extremely spammable. I can assure you that isn't the case with Pre-Fortress.

[@pokebronyborn]

I'm sorry, did you just say a *4.5 second STUN?* Is this TF2 or Overwatch? Like, really cool work being done, but historically, stun mechanics are almost universally hated in team shooters.

[@ohtontheknight3879]

I don't think it overwatch stun I think it just a movement speed penalty like the sandman stun

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

@@ohtontheknight3879 It's totally different from either, actually! Take a look at 1:02. The crosshair and the player's view move around, making it hard to move or aim. It's what the concussion grenade originally did in TFC.

[@ohtontheknight3879]

@Anonymous Accordionist i didn't see the crosshair moving around and i never play the original tfc but what i am guessing is that it will make you shots at the mouse that is spinning then i think this is a more balanced stun because you just have to recorrect your mouse to line it up on the spinning mouse crosshair

[@rogaldorn2885]

Apparently they removed these to prevent spam also valve creates demoman

[@silverdededestruction2197]

Consider the fact that these grenades would be all class unlike demoman, that all of them have unique grenades to them with unique properties. The napalm grenade and the caltraps make the spam even more severe.

[@rogaldorn2885]

@@silverdededestruction2197 my sanity has reached its limit

[@elfascisto6549]

Valve did not create demoman at all, demoman was one of the very first 5 classes in the original quake tf mod. Valve created none of the classes at all

[@karlofmasterofmetal8859]

Is this game on Xbox?

[@frazier4781]

no its on pc