Pre-Lifting, Overlifting & Try-Out Keys - Special Techniques: Ultimate Picking Guide Part 5

[@LockNoob]

This is part 5 of a 5 part series on lever lock picking. We will cover types and terms, lever padlocks, non-curtained mortice lever locks, curtained lever locks and specialised techniques including overlifting, pre-lifting and tryout keys. Here is the FULL playlist :-) kzbin.info/aero/PLXm18pW-yyX7qhybbWL85Y80JeN2K9vhY

[@maureenswallow3054]

I have total enjoyed this excellent series,absolutely brilliant and I have no doubt I will be watching it again and again.

[@LockNoob]

I’m really glad you liked it - it took a lot of organising :-)

[@jonathansimmons5353]

Best channel for lockpicking. 10/10

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@salimbhaijee5765]

Great series. Have gained a lot from it. Thanks

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@forteandblues]

I keep getting surprised by all the videos you have made! You are one of my top 5 channels on KZbin easy.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@ronreuwer5265]

Noob. This series you did was really impressive it was informative and the work you put into the visual aide's was outstanding i for one got a lot of great information from it . Please keep up the great work . You are a leader in the lock sport community for education.

[@LockNoob]

Thank you :-)

[@wesdresen9994]

really nice series. I got the most from this vid. I didn't understand over lifter before. Andy has some great videos showing how to make and use them. Now I understand why they work.

[@LockNoob]

When they work, they work great :-)!

[@99purplesky]

This is a great series. I've not even started serious lock picking yet, but your clear explanations and engaging style have really helped me. I can't wait to get started now. Seriously, I know it's not easy to make instructional videos of any kind. I've watched this series over 2 days, and you've kept my interest throughout, so thanks for doing what you do. :-)

[@LockNoob]

Thanks, friend :-)

[@The_Doc_Rocks]

@Lock Noob - thank you so much for this series. I just binge-watched the whole 5 of them :) Superbly done, and a resource to keep coming back to. The playlist is now in my bookmarks. I'm on Andy Mac's Web site subscriber list, and get my tools from him. And I agree with you that lever locks are just as much fun - and challenge - to pick as pin tumblers, dimples, etc. Great effort, and once again, on behalf of so many - thank you :)

[@LockNoob]

☺️

[@LockNoob]

Thank you

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 😊

[@EnzoGuardino]

Thanks for the excellent series! It was great to see Andy Mac's tools as well as your own. 👍

[@LockNoob]

Andy makes great tools :-)

[@ROTARY4552]

I have learned so much about lever picking watching your set Mr Locknoob and would be at no where near the position i am at without this set of video's and the videos's from Andy Mac locklab, advice from experienced pickers principally on UKLS and Andy Law from Law lock tools Thanks go out to all.

[@LockNoob]

Thank you! :-)

[@gantry289]

A great series, thanks for taking all the time and effort to put it all together.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks Gantry :-)

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

Great series. I will be watching these several times. Thanks!

[@LockNoob]

That will be great for my activity reports, thanks ;-)

[@tome5535]

I have loved your explanations to thank you and see if I acquire locks and tools from England to put your teachings into practice

[@LockNoob]

I hope you do, it’s great fun learning :-)

[@MB-dc7qu]

Excellent series!! Helped me a lot

[@LockNoob]

Awesome thanks 🙏

[@Uniquettt]

A great series of five tutorials with clear explanations of tools available ( Andy Mac + Overs )well worth the watching/viewing well done sr

[@LockNoob]

Thank you :-)

[@steveb3671]

Excellent series. Thanks for your effort in making these informative videos.

[@Kraken1000]

A thoroughly comprehensive series. I'm not a picker, but I've found the skills needed to be pretty interesting.

[@LockNoob]

Give picking a go, you’d love it :-)

[@72polara]

I have really enjoyed this series and learned a lot. I think we have some old railroad switch locks and maybe some mortice locks around here that I need to try and pick. I even have some assortments of music wire from a hardware store that shut down, so I have some material to work with. Thanks for you work in making this series!

[@LockNoob]

Thank you :-)

[@tyronekakum1678]

That's pretty good sure that's real interesting thank you I want to try that now on the padlock

[@qutube100]

Very nice good to see tryouts used on five lever amazing what a bit of "slop" can accomplish!

[@LockNoob]

:-)

[@stephenstone2606]

Very good series of lever lock picking thank you👏👏👏 keep up the good work you do👍👍

[@LockNoob]

Thanks ‘-)

[@AThreeDogNight]

Thank you for the series, now I'm gonna see if I can find some old lever locks to practice on.

[@LockNoob]

Go for it! :-)

[@roysammons2445]

I have looked at try out keys and overrides, looked at picking tools for lever locks and thought "Oh my goodness, so expensive". I reckon after watching this series I can make some and give it a go. And just to help a friend gave me a suite of good quality 5 lever locks. Four of which are brand new and 1 used. I'll take the 4 new ones to work and keep the used one for practice. Perfect! Thanks for thee tutorials Lock Noob, Excellent! And inspiring.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks for watching and commenting, Roy :-)

[@curthatt6461]

Nice job! Great series for beginners.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@himanshuchauhan2304]

Very comprehensive and awesome

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@ross983]

A fantastic series and great information thank you

[@LockNoob]

Thanks Ross :-)

[@MonkeyLockpicks]

Excellent series! I've enjoyed every single episode. Great job my friends. Thank you so much!

[@LockNoob]

Thanks ML :-) Im really glad you enjoyed it :-)

[@glennj6465]

Excellent Mr Noob

[@keithroberts5946]

Thanks that is a great series very informative

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@iggymac3473]

Beautiful series buddy thank you for taking the time to share.

[@LockNoob]

Thank you! I hope the views pick up over the coming months, it would be nice if they were watched and enjoyed :-)

[@pickbeard2690]

Fantastic series,I have only commented on the last one as I'm sure you would get bored each time I commented on your series. Lots of great information,something for everyone in the content. Thanks for making the series😎😎👍👍🍺😘😘😘

[@LockNoob]

Thanks PB :-) you know my ego and need for constant validation though... you’d best get commenting on the other parts ;-)

[@pickbeard2690]

Well my favourite parts were 2,3&4 of your series. I hope this helps validate your awesomeness 🤤🤔😍😘😘

[@Steel-Pinnings]

Great info, I didn't even suspect that these tools existed. Lol Those tryout keys are more like the Jiggler keys that are raked that look like the shap of a key. Lol Thanks for sharing

[@LockNoob]

Thanks for watching, friend :-)

[@Leonslockpad]

Another Arsenal video Ash my friend👍😊👍😊😎👌

[@LockNoob]

Not Milwall? ;-)

[@rogergoulder3821]

Most informative. Thank you.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@KilalaFW]

Really enjoyed this series I don't think iv ever seen one except at some of our old West attractions now I can escape the jail after iv had to much to drink in the saloon

[@LockNoob]

Lol, good luck!

[@danthelambboy]

Hello great video you made. Its great to hear you consistantly use the correct language too. Could you tell me which key blank you used for the prelifter? I am looking for a steel blank for the era fortress. Did you falso file the side of the flag closest to the flat section on the key?

[@LockNoob]

I'm sorry, i cant remember what the key blank was - it may have been a spare I got with the lock. I did file the other side too

[@mattsimmons4690]

Great video keep them coming👍

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@magiclocks9206]

Great series. Thank you. In the USA a good source for music wire is RadicalRC. The shipping from many places will kill you but RadicalRC is reasonable. Of course you will have to translate from metric but 0.062" or 1/16' works great for wires. You might also want to try 0.055". If you know of other places let us know. I will try to send a link in reply.

[@magiclocks9206]

www.radicalrc.com/category/Metal-Rods-Tubes-Wire-Sheet-413

[@LockNoob]

Great call, thanks :-)

[@waltonesq]

Bravo, sir.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@JimBailey]

Thank you Lock Noob

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@uncle_thulhu]

Thanks very much for that series, Ash. Very informative. I wouldn't normally be interested, as I can't remember EVER having encountered a lever lock "in the wild", as you have it, but I do find them fascinating. Probably for the same reason I got into picking in the first place - a general fascination for mechanisms. Locks have always struck me as an incredibly elegant solution to a huge problem - how do I stop them from nicking my sh*t? Or more importantly, how do I make myself safe from them? Actually, I almost certainly have come across them before and just haven't noticed... I still can't believe anyone ever thought warded locks were any kind of security. Or why plastic LOTO locks have near-unpickable cores. It's hardly likely to be picked by accident, and anyone with malicious intent is just going to break the lock, right? Insurance premiums, probably...🤔♥️👍🤜🤛

[@LockNoob]

I’m glad you liked the series :-)

[@GarryNichols]

Where does one even find these styles of locks? I've not seen them in all of North America or South.

[@Chlorate299]

Would a pre-lifter that is filed down just so it would just lift the levers off the curtain enough to put your pick wire through work for more locks? i.e. leave a 1.7mm stump on there for your pick wire. Granted you would still have to lift the lowest levers to the correct height.

[@LockNoob]

It would certainly help for a number of locks :-)

[@Chlorate299]

@@LockNoob Time to buy some music wire methinks!

[@Jason_Music]

So much Knowledge, how can you call yourself a noob ? Or if you do what are we supposed to be ? :)

[@LockNoob]

I’m still a noob at times, there’s always something to learn 🙂

[@Jason_Music]

@@LockNoob Very humble of you. But seriously you are a mentor to us all real noobs out there. Can you show us your naughty bucket ?

[@LockNoob]

Jason_Music it’s more of a naughty dumpster!

[@worldtraveler930]

I was hoping that you would show me the best technique for using a sonic screwdriver. 😁

[@LockNoob]

Lol :-)

[@penfold7800]

BosnianBill demonstrated a new electric pick gun from multipick that's kinda screwdriver shaped. But that's just for pin tumbler locks

[@thumperlockpicking9269]

Great video

[@LockNoob]

Thank you :-)

[@penfold7800]

Thankyou for this. You know how some levers are cut to a bitting from a standard lever blank, on those could you attack the stack at the bottom of the blanks at the back and essentially lift them all together to the gate heights? You would still need to use a tension tool tho, as the only thing stopping you using a blank key would be that the lever attached to the bolt was not from a blank. I know I'm not being very clear, but it's difficult to explain.

[@LockNoob]

I think I get you. In one of those vids you’ll see me use try out keys, which have different bittings that you can lift higher and lower under the lever pack to try to get an open. The lever lock equivalent of jiggler keys

[@penfold7800]

@@LockNoob some levers are all cut from the same blank, the only thing that's 'cut' is the part that the key acts on, all the gates are in the same place in the middle of the allowed movement of the blank, so if you lift up from the part at the back that wasn't cut cos the key doesn't reach it, they all lift to the gate together. It's counter-intuitive tho cos you are rotating the over-lifter in the direction that you would lock it, while rotating the tension tool the correct direction to move the bolt. It was looking through your perspex cutout that gave me the idea. If you look at AndyMac on his latest ACE padlock picking using an over-lifter, it looks like that's what he's doing with that lock.

[@jonhughes5702]

Just a quick question about the mortice locks, what if you,re on the other side of the lock then would the tension tool still work as it will be in the way?

[@LockNoob]

In a curtained Lock, yes, in one with the talon closes to you, you have to pick around it

[@jesseparent7558]

i always wondered if bump keys were worth the time of getting

[@LockNoob]

No bump keys here friend :-)

[@jesseparent7558]

what are the difference between try out keys and bump keys? i thought they were the same

[@LockNoob]

UnXplainable hump keys are for pin tumbler locks and are flat bitting at the lowest cut. They are hit with a bump hammer into the keyway which causes all the pins to ‘bump’ up past the shear line and under slight tension, can lead to the lock opening as the driver pins fall back down to shear. Try out keys are just that, a selection of profiles for any lock type that could possibly work in the lock as long as the bitting matches closely enough :-)

[@jesseparent7558]

@@LockNoob thank you for clarifying!

[@grahamconquerghc2358]

Great vids noob From can u do a burg watcher diamante ppllleasse

[@LockNoob]

If I had one, I’d try!

[@tyronekakum1678]

That's pretty good and interesting

[@TequilaDave]

Great series. Now I have to get/make more picks and some locks! Do you know of a cheap source of piano wire (or similar) as I imagine premium prices in a music shop?

[@adamwest8711]

Tequila Dave - eBay

[@LockNoob]

It’s eBay really :-) the good stuff isn’t too cheap unless you buy a lot. Be careful not to buy it in coils :-j

[@TequilaDave]

@@LockNoob "Not coiled" is great advice. I promise to film the postman delivering 3m of it! :-)

[@experimentalarmy4495]

very helpful

[@LockNoob]

Glad you think so!

[@shark70007000]

I have a safe key that has two sides of those. Both sides are very different.

[@luciferh1232]

QUESTION! Lock Noob I have a question, how do you know what side of the lock to put tension on because if you can't see the inside then how do you know which side to put the tension on, and also how do you pick it if it is revered?

[@LockNoob]

Hassan Jaferi good question. Sadly, the answer isn’t simple. Most non curtain locks, with the bolt facing left, have the bolt talon at the rear, but sometimes in the middle (you will have to feel inside unless you can identify the lock or can see the key). You tension exactly the same from either side of the lock and the tension wire should allow the pick wire to pick the levers around it, even if you are picking with the talon at the front. For curtain locks, the tensioner tension the curtain from both sides, just make sure you choose the right handedness of lever wires.

[@luciferh1232]

@@LockNoob Okay thank you! (　^ω^)

[@ROTARY4552]

where did you get the overlift wires ive got a sauber 20 peice set and the overlift wire is rubbish

[@LockNoob]

From Andy MAC - check out his channel :-)

[@ROTARY4552]

@@LockNoob i am a patreon of Andy mac channel now so will be buying all future lever tools from him no question

[@lockmania-locks]

Cool but when i overlift i have light tention on from the start

[@LockNoob]

lockmania interesting. People are the same with bumping and raking pin tumblers; there is a debate on when you apply tension. Ultimately, it’s what works best for you :-)

[@lockmania-locks]

@@LockNoob yep but when you get some feeling for it i would think that IT is great to start with very light tention and when you feel the bolt move a little bit you use more tention and then it opens but as you say everyone have There own way

[@hadler999]

Great series, 5 likes! 🔒🗝🔓

[@LockNoob]

Thank you :-)

[@greasyfingerprints]

Oh no you voided the warranty on those locks. 😉

[@LockNoob]

Lol :-)

[@Lockpicker1973]

Somewhat like jigglers

[@LockNoob]

Yes, absolutely