'Pre-war era': 'If Ukraine falls' war with Russia is inevitable | Tim Marshall reacts to Donald Tusk

What does Putin want? Does he want to recreate Russia’s borders from thirty years ago?”
“Yes.”
Tim Marshall, author of Prisoners of Geography, reacts to Donald Tusk’s claim that “we are in a pre-war era” - but we are closer to 1936 than 1939, he says. “If Ukraine falls, it’s a matter of time before we fight.”
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[@philipmulville8218]

Tim’s point about Western European intellectuals and politicians mistaking the events of 1989 and the 1990’s for what they were - a holiday from history - is spot on. Eastern Europeans understandably see things differently.

[@nemeczek67]

In 1939, the British did not want" to die for Danzig". So a year later they were dying at Dunkirk and two years later they were taking shelter in the cellars of London. Macron seems to get it.

[@josimpson7999]

@richardsanders4624. Spot on! And very well said.

[@federicosantoro7100]

well said

[@MrMielten]

​@richardsanders4624.And the US did not play a major, leading role in winnig these battles??? What's wrong with you guys that you still really think you won most of these battles alone?

[@timonsolus]

@@MrMielten: The Battle of Britain and the Battle of El Alamein were won without US forces. The US Army began fighting in Operation Torch (the Allied invasion of Vichy French North Africa). The Battle of the Atlantic was won with US help, however the US Navy was mostly deployed in the Pacific, so the majority of warships in the Atlantic were British and Canadian. The US didn’t become the leading Allied military power in the European theatre until 1944.

[@bigjobs5000]

@@MrMielten 90% of Germany's capital ships (Battleships/Cruisers) - as well as most of Italy's biggest naval ships were sunk by the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force. In the Battle for Norway alone the Royal Navy sunk half of Germany's navy at that time (1940). It is also a known fact that Britain's very successful Aircraft Carrier/Swordfish attack on Italy's Taranto Harbour in November 1940 was so devastating to the Italian Navy (3 Battleships sunk and damaged) and admired so much by the Japanese Navy that they copied it for their attack on USA's Pearl Harbour one year later.

[@maggotman2024]

Always comforting that some remember the history of Europe in the 1930s. Many Americans tend to be clueless about what happened last week.

[@peternolan4107]

Millions of Americans do not know what century our civil war was in.

[@RedMustang-jw7ec]

They dont even know where Germany is.

[@Lucas-wn5wm]

The average american will not know untill Everyone is on them.

[@jamesandrew1750]

I find it the opposite, it is all the history they teach in schools, what happened in the 1930's was the result of a hundred years of history, a unique combination of events that will never be repeated.

[@Lucas-wn5wm]

@@jamesandrew1750 isnt it repeating already?

[@user-qt1eo7dq8v]

We promised Ukraine to stand by it “as long as it takes…”We now know what that means: “as long as it takes for us to get bored.” Which is pretty quick…

[@cockneycharm3970]

Don't think it's anything to do with 'boredom'. Not all countries can afford to keep giving money and supplies.

[@straightreject2947]

​@cockneycharm3970 incorrect. Most countries can not afford to send people. Until it's too late. Then they'll have no choice.

[@dalecrocker3213]

Well, the investment isn't paying off, what else is there to do?

[@cockneycharm3970]

@@straightreject2947 The UK, and even the people of the US are suffering with petrol/food, etc going up. Our homeless, elderly, poor, and our Vets too. As for armies I don't think people want to join up. The UK seems to be struggling to get people to join the army.

[@johndean1634]

Who actually Promised. 600 MPs or the 67 Million People of the UK. Less than Half of a Percent of the UK making deccisions of 67 Million.

[@janniemeyer9951]

“No plans to attack a NATO country.” “We are not attacking Ukraine.”

[@operator9858]

@@sjengberts5484 he did. but we forced him into it. should have learned the lesson after georgia but learning is not something you folks are capable of.

[@DeanFWilson]

Exactly. Putin swore blind he wasn't going to invade Ukraine, and then did it. It's just like all oh Hitler's denials before he invaded yet another country. Putin 100% has plans to invade NATO countries if things go his way (Trump election, Ukraine defeat, poor NATO military spending, etc.).

[@Dark_Bandon]

The Russians cannot even capture the Donbas. Their army has been destroyed. It's now dragging migrants from the streets and forcing them into the army because they're so depleted. The migrants don't fight , they surrender at the first opportunity.

[@independentthought3390]

​@@operator9858 In which way was he forced? Give us the specifics.

[@user-oy5mm3pb2g]

Why are they afraid?? They pushed NATO into Russian lands and jettison peace treaties and now crying the moment Outin crushed their 8 years misadvensures in Ukraine. NATO us doomed just as the US us heading into the abyss. Live in the cobwebs of your deceits, bro.

[@SimDeck]

While I harbor significant reservations about Trump and find his actions often bewildering, I acknowledge the importance of Europe and Britain assuming greater responsibility in matters of defense. It is undeniable that the United States has provided substantial support in the past; however, it is imperative for our future security that we invest appropriately and enhance our defense capabilities. Recognizing this necessity is straightforward, and our actions today will undoubtedly be scrutinized by history.

[@natalieturko4808]

Trump has a vendetta against Ukraine because Ukraine refused to lie and back up his false narrative on Hunter Biden. Also, Trump loves dictators, and can't say enough wonderful things about their regimes. I hope this solves your "bewilderment".

[@silencemeviolateme6076]

The US will be able to provide intelligence and satellite/cyber abilities but they will be on the ground in East Asia. Europe has to take Russia. Most likely n korea will try something with South Korea and maybe Japan. Iran will attack Israel and probably Arabia.

[@Scaleyback317]

We should have seen the writing on the wall decades ago. Europe does need to take responsibility for its own defence and maybe just maybe the US could and should pull out of NATO and withdraw their forces from Europe. I doubt they will though as Europe is a happy hunting ground type market for the US for their goods and services and the investment opportunities which the US can exploit. Should their military go so should their marketplace and what do you think the chances then would be of the Orange cult leader waking up and smelling his own incontinence pads? US business would do the American version of a defenestration on him pretty tut suite. No America - you want to harvest Europe for the almighty dollar then you continue to contribute to the defence of the dollar orchards. Or don't and we'll see the consequences of that - and btw so will the US see the consequences of that too. Delighted to see Europe standing on its own two feet and announcing to the world at large the rules have changed and some of them may not like it.

[@lucianboar3489]

Americans won't allow it if they're smart. Why would they give up their profitable hold on Europe?

[@ArjunGhag-ix7te]

Superb chat Tim. Shout louder & prevent hot ww3

[@bryandimery6509]

Maybe talking and working out security agreements and not marching weapons up to russia would do more than inane rants

[@bobtheaccountant2534]

So you are saying without the US, Europe can’t protect themselves from Russia. That’s sad. I guess Europe didn’t learn a darned thing from WW2.

[@TheEuropeanPrepper]

Not tru only the illegal weapons .. you can have a weapon if you follow the correct procedure..

[@Scaleyback317]

And if the US votes the likes of Trump into power they will have learned nothing from the cold war of 1949-1991. Europe can and will defend itself and do so successfully. It would be so much easier with the US but Europe can do it alone if the USA reneges on its responsibilties or pulls out of NATO before hostilities begin.

[@GaryGraham-sx4pm]

'Europe can't protect themselves from Russia'. Seems likely that Europe is in for a couple of decades of jackboot autocracy. Unless ..

[@lucianboar3489]

It didn't, that's why NATO exists. Because the US won't trust Europe to not go off the rails again. It exists both to contain Russia and another rise of Germany. I think they're right, peace in a Europe left to its own devices is impossible, we're pathologically tribal.

[@railworker8058]

You’re telling me my sons are going to die in combat in a war we can’t avoid?

[@tomstulc9143]

Yes and it's your fault because of your Antichrist wicked worldly way of living. That's the consequences of defying Christ the King.

[@jodu626]

it can be avoided if ukraine stops them

[@blythemajors9193]

@@jodu626it can be avoided if we stop listening to these muppets.

[@UpChuckTheBoogie]

Russia will never attack NATO

[@tomislavb5760]

Head in the sand strategy.... works all the time. ​@@blythemajors9193

[@andyhurrell]

Ukraine is running dangerously low on air defence Patriot rockets. Kharkiv is particularly vulnerable to a massive attack from the air. It makes economic sense to reduce the damage the Kremlin can inflict on Ukraine, rather than wait for the damage and pay for the restoration. Also, if Kharkiv comes under fire, the cost of the ensuing migration crisis will be astronomic. We should invest in Ukraine's defence, now.

[@carlberg7503]

Tell that to Mike Johnson, who has refused to let the Ukraine package come up for a vote. Moscow Mike is Putin's best friend.

[@mrennie5158]

They’ve started using rockets to attack targets within Russia. They openly state they are doing this.That wasn’t why they were given Patriot systems. They are abusing it now.

[@markobucevic8991]

No. Ukraine is less democratic than russia, more corrupt (where did the money go!? It was like twice the amount than what russia pays for its whole army!) And no one cared about ukraine before that or knew where it was on the map

[@stephenglover8828]

Yes I agree that Ukraine needs more air defense but let's be honest what they really need is more men and ammo, Ukraine and the West can't produce either at the same capacity as Russia. Hence they should seek a peace deal, that's the reality of the situation

[@Lucas-wn5wm]

​@@stephenglover8828 so america should give up taiwan too? It would make the playing field fair for china and america in the future. America keep soldiers lifes and china achieve chip technology.

[@chilldude30]

Always enjoy hearing Tim. Great insights and fun to listen to

[@Zummbot]

You are too confident that Trump would not pull out of NATO. John Bolton has spoken about restraining Trump’s impulses to pull out during his first term. The entire Republican party is against supporting Ukraine (and by extension Europe) and Trump would not defy them if push came to shove. If Ukraine falls and Trump is re-elected, I think it is more likely than not that the US will not honor section 5 in the event that Russia attacks a NATO member, and Europe will have to go it alone.

[@Joey-ct8bm]

Trump will be impeached immediately or states will break off. You think a New York or California is gonna except a Trump presidency? States have already tried to get Trump of the ballot.

[@rodmarker2071]

I think that is preferable, We don't need Trump

[@willc1294]

@@rodmarker2071as long as he doesn't have US actively help Russia against europe

[@vegas1a]

The entire Republican Party is NOT against Ukraine. Been 75 years a Repub, I will NOT be voting for my local extremist Rep. Nor my governor, nor one of my Senators (definite) and maybe not the other Senator. Also, if that is not enough, any local candidates that support The Don will not get my vote. Absolutely 100% NO for DJT......

[@psotos]

@@vegas1aMe too!

[@maciek_k.cichon]

Kremlin attitude towards the Baltics and Eastern Europe in general is exactly why we need NATO. We want peace, not junk with the red star or crucked z on our streets.

[@dalecrocker3213]

This is 2024 'not 1974. You are living in the past.

[@micaiahm1]

Why didn’t Russia invade Estonia before they join NATO?

[@maciek_k.cichon]

@@dalecrocker3213 So Russian tanks in Ukraine are what? Ghosts of yesteryear's fears? 🤣

[@drnosey]

It's Putin and all of his followers who are living in the past. Time to wake up

[@Nicholas-db5sl]

@@micaiahm1it’s not the Bread Basket of Europe or indeed hold the reserves that Ukraine has.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Correct call.

[@jpedrocp]

Great interview. Thank you

[@sadesade9505]

Always appreciate Tim Marshall's point of view, always so well researched😊🎉

[@johnvaleanbaily246]

Which is why the west should support Ukraine to the fullest, now.

[@robertatkins9419]

But then the question becomes what it really is to 'support Ukraine'. Is it, for example, arming them so that another hundred or so thousand can die on top of the number of Ukrainians lost already? Or is it supporting and facilitating them to try to negotiate the best terms they can to ensure that Ukraine remains as much an independent integral state as possible?

[@rikkidykes1770]

No it should not, Ukraine has already lost, there is no coming back. The best way forward is to negotiate peace.

[@danielbailey5849]

The question when it is time Ukraine start playing for things, when it time pay own ammunition, you wanted west support Ukraine but who going pay for that ,

[@danielbailey5849]

So when do you think Ukraine people stop stealing money and military equipment then

[@aerial558]

What’s happened with US support? Or have they decided it’s not worth it anymore.😊

[@crownvap6340]

It's a spoiled child's logic - "if i don't get this icecream now, i will drop on the floor and the world will end!" No, child. You will just have to learn that the world does not revolve around you.

[@pp2021]

A very knowledgeable man who I have immense respect for. Excellent interview, thanks for this caliber of guest.

[@aleaiactaest8354]

Really? Color me sceptical...

[@DacianRider]

Abandon Eastern Europe at your own peril....

[@Travis_22]

Yup. Truth.

[@RayDaly-sm9wv]

@@Travis_22 Europeans won't abandon it

[@anyaharris5617]

​@RayDaly-sm9wv That's right, they won't. Because they know Putin will not stop at Eastern Europe...

[@markobucevic8991]

​@@anyaharris5617got any proof for that?

[@Litheon11]

​@markobucevic8991 Georgian war 91/93, south ossetian war 91/92, abkhazia war 92/93, transnistra war 92, tajikistani civil war 92/97, first Chechen war 94/96, dagestan war 99, second chechen war 99/09, Georgian war 08, Crimea Ukraine 2014-present. What more evidence do you need? Russia lies and threatens and lies some more. Nobody will trust Russia for generations.

[@user-fk8rb8ue5h]

2014 and the invasion of Crimea was the 1936. We are now in 1939

[@Tony-ci7ys]

DONT'S SAY THIS.

[@DeanFWilson]

100%

[@Yuri_Volkov.]

Calm down drama queen. Putin useless army cannot even take the Donbas.

[@StPiter111]

But Russia's against you this time, and Romania, Greece and Italy are on your side now😅😅😅😅

[@bryandimery6509]

Only morons need to compare today to the past. If you cant get your point across its notthat valid

[@leninha5549]

So why is it taking so long to welcome Ukraine finally into the NATO.. !!!!absurd how this all is going still.

[@nomdeplume881]

A country cannot join Nato if it's a) at war; b) if it doesn't control all of it's internationally-recognised territory. On the latter point, that's why Russia has fostered seperatist movements in Moldova, Ukraine and Georgia.

[@dalecrocker3213]

So you really want World War III, do you?

[@ukspizzaman]

That would mean that we are already at war with Russia. A whole different situation. One that none of us will survive. We know it, Russia knows it. We are at the edge of really bad things, but we have not yet crossed it. None of us want to die. That is what keeps us all alive, for the moment.

[@nerowulfee9210]

@@nomdeplume881 West Germany joined just fine.

[@mdiesel23]

​@nerowulfee9210 how long ago was this and how close is NATO, an "anti- Soviet" organization close to Russian border? The Soviet Union is long gone, so why does NATO still exist? Russia actually tried to join NATO in the past and was rejected. So what's the message? You got to be a fool to not understand why Russia can't have a NATO country right along its borders. It's a geo-strategic land mass Russians can't give up because Ukraine and Belarus are buffer countries.

[@marisabenson1222]

Correct

[@nellyfootlong]

Love your books TM

[@JustTakeAMoment]

NATO not going anywhere, interviewee loses all credibility at this point. Trump would stay in NATO, it's in the US interests to do so. However, he would be clear about everyone needing to contribute the right GDP% to defence. Countries that weren't contributing enough have been increasing their own spending on defence. There's more work to be done but it needs to happen. He's just admitted that the Baltic states pay more than their fair share so defended they will be.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

If Ukraine falls, then they become military servant to Russia. A battle hardened capable servant and at that point, an adversary to the EU and NATO.

[@Everyonehasanopinion]

Ukrainians will never become military servants of Russia. If they were to lose the present conflict they will make sure that the territory isn’t ever safe for Russian occupiers; they won’t suddenly flip.

[@natalieturko4808]

They won't. They will likely turn on the Russians.

[@louisaparker]

You think the battle hardened Ukraine military men would all start to serve Russia? I'm not so sure about that.

[@Joey-ct8bm]

Nobody would live in Ukraine anymore. They would flee to the rest of Europe.

[@roguestorm7rooper451]

@@louisaparker Is already happening in the occupied territories of Ukraine. If you don't go to war with the Russian army, they will imprison you or worse.

[@jimthornton2898]

Was in the RAF with Tim Marshall. On my shift at Rheindalen 78/79.

[@luminyam6145]

Excellent video, thank you. Yes this is the usual for Europe and it does feel like 1936.

[@niklaswikholm514]

Trump can do anything, nobody knows...

[@GaryGraham-sx4pm]

trump has an ego, nothing else. unfortunately americans will vote for an ego.

[@mike1117777]

I always love Tim Marshall

[@chotyrystorony]

It's interesting to compare people who support Ukraine and those who don't. In the first case they are usually recognised scholars, analysts, experts, who have been studying international relations for years, just like Mr.Marshall. Under the second category usually fall the persons who hadn't even known where Ukraine is on the map before the war started, but they think that they understand better than anyone the situation in Ukraine and the best course of action for their country. The first example that comes to mind of such a person is M.T.Green. I think for any person with at least some amount of critical thinking it must be obvious, that Ukraine's ability to defend itself is within the utmost national interests of the West

[@GFWFight]

Brilliant guest. Please invite him on again, maybe for a longer session next time 😊

[@fredo1070]

These events are more like 1914, politicians talking themselves into a war in which ordinary people will pay the cost.

[@lucdevries8732]

Perhaps time to start peace negotiations first?

[@LA-kc7ev]

I don't ever hear the UK or EU going after those countries that continue to pay well below the 2% level, such as Spain at 1.4%. If they don't do it, they should.

[@stephenwhitehouse9908]

1. One member of the Duma submitting a draft bill to parliament does not make it the view or the policy of the government. 2. Look at the impact of the end of the Soviet Union on Russian society in the 1990s, then you'll understand why Putin described it as a catastrophe. If you want to know what Putin thinks of the Soviet Union, consider his famous quote that: ‘anyone who doesn’t regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.’ 3. Tim's argument seems to be that war between Russia and a NATO country is only likely if NATO ceases to exist, which as he concedes is not going to happen. By his own logic, whether Ukraine 'wins' this war or not has no bearing on the likelihood of Russia invading a NATO country. It's in Ukraine best interests to negotiate a settlment to end this conflict as soon as possible. Ukraine is never going to win this war, even if it got all the support it asked for. Delaying reaching a settlment is only going to cost Ukraine more land and more lives.

[@swojnowski8214]

there is no settlement Ukraine can accept, so there will be none.

[@timonsolus]

What if Trump gets to be President and pulls the USA out of NATO? NATO without the US would be extremely weak, and Putin would almost certainly test their commitment to Article 5 by invading the Baltic States on a pretext, in the expectation that Article 5 is just a bluff, and that in practice the Western NATO countries would make any excuse to get out of fulfilling their obligations.

[@timonsolus]

@@swojnowski8214: South Korea didn’t want to accept the armistice that ended the Korean War (because it meant that Korea would be divided forever) - but eventually the US forced it to accept.

[@swojnowski8214]

i do mot believe Russia is willing to negotiate, it is all or nothing now. Either they take Kiev or be beaten. I really see no other way out of this quagmire both for the US and Putin.

[@markbryant4641]

Excellent comment, Stephen. I'd like to add that Russia is leaving Europe. Just after the invasion Putin gave a speech and clearly said so. Russia is through with the west and is turning it's back on Europe for the foreseeable future. These words have and are being proven every day. Russia has worked tirelessly and remarkably successfully to create relationships with non western countries that will replace Europe. Take care. Mark.

[@RonaldDean-sp6jl]

Good podcast 😊

[@jwadaow]

The issue with supplying the Ukrainian armed forces is not that there is "fatigue" the issue is that the stockpiles are exhausted. The USA does not share the view of the Europeans that their garden is the most important theatre for America's geopolotical interests and will husband what they have left for the Asia-Pacific.

[@WIBBS75]

If, ifs and butts were candy and nuts, it would be Christmas all year long.

[@TalkingPoint773]

Why do they always compare to the past? Things change its never the same

[@michaeljackson5914]

Human nature never changes

[@TalkingPoint773]

@@michaeljackson5914 Situations change though, they are never the sane

[@theveryfirst]

Trump would be a disaster. He already is.

[@StPiter111]

We like Joe the Mummy here, in Russia too. He made Russia great again 😁

[@tellyboy17]

Putin wouldn't even have invaded Ukraine with an unpredictable lose cannon like Trump in charge. Coward Biden was the ticket he needed.

[@andrewst9797]

He is a challenge. We need a challenge in the West!

[@Marco-te9ns]

​@@andrewst9797I think the west have enough challenges

[@andrewst9797]

@@Marco-te9ns Constructive challenges. Not the green/left/muslim alliance challenging modernity

[@Bobby-fj8mk]

Sound volume is low again. Increase by at least 12dB.

[@mindbanx]

Thoughts manifest …

[@georgeholmer8563]

When Putin says that he has no plans to invade a Nato country, then one needs to understand that he means that literally. He does not see the three Baltic states as countries so invading anyone of them would not break his promise. Let's say that Russia invaded Lithuania and took Vilnius, a few hours from the Russian border, and then said "okay, let's talk". Would the US come to the rescue? I am not so sure and then there is no Nato left.

[@Evahicks830]

He said the same thing about Ukraine and what happened buddy….

[@georgeholmer8563]

@@Evahicks830 He invaded because he does not see Ukraine as a separate country. What is your point?

[@Blanka1100]

@@georgeholmer8563 He could invade non Nato Ukraine only.

[@georgeholmer8563]

@@Blanka1100 If that is what you think, you're very naive. He'll invade a Nato country if he thinks he'll ge away with it.

[@Blanka1100]

@@georgeholmer8563 He thought he could overrun Urraine in 3 days. He wants Ukraine. Nato is an excuse.It is all about Putin's legacy. He has always wanted Ukraine back and he blames Russia's neighbour for their will to be secured by Nato. It is bully's logic.

[@rapture1949]

NATO... very spoiled people 😂 weakness 😢

[@bec5250]

Russia....very small man. Very small parts.

[@happykarmaman34]

I've just watched Rick on the Running Channel podcast full of joy and laughing away with friends.. I now click on this and he's talking about a possible war...!?!?!?!

[@longestvideoever]

I hate this warmonger talk. Its like they rather send nato troops rather than send weapons Ukraine needs

[@chadlineage]

this is quite confusing in other interviews they say nato is not ready for war with Russia but here they say russia is “vastly inferior in military aspect vs NATO”

[@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854]

Chechen, Georgia, Dagestan, Aghanistan(failed) now Ukraine, it will not stop by words, deplomacy never existed in Russia.

[@markbryant4641]

Yes it did. And it still does.

[@Starchild670]

I thought Putin already lost?

[@independentthought3390]

Putin, no. But Russians, they lost a while back.

[@timonsolus]

@@independentthought3390: Yes. Russian democracy is dead. The Duma is nothing more than Putin’s rubber stamp now. Putin could even change the Russian tricolour for the Soviet Red Banner if he wanted to, at any time, and the Russian people would mutely accept it.

[@markbryant4641]

Yep. Biden, Kirby, Blinken and now Sullivan. They've told us in no uncertain terms that Russia has already lost. There's nothing to worry about. It was over more than six months ago.

[@CakesWarden]

Much like Ukraine, Poland is very aware of the kind of threat that Russia is. We need to listen. A message for my fellow Americans who want to be isolationist: we tried this approach and STILL got dragged into 2 world wars. Now that nuclear weapons are a factor, we CANNOT afford to make the same mistake again.

[@michaelreynolds2508]

Anyone who has studied the diplomatic history of the inter war years 1919-1939 would appreciate the dangers of appeasement, and disarmament which encouraged the dictators and weakened the democracies. One of my late colleagues was a former Polish diplomat attached to the Polish embassy in Berlin before 1939. I have no doubt whatsoever that Tusk’s warning is reminiscent of a former Under Secretary of State Vansittart at the end of 1936.

[@johnmccaffrey5942]

I don’t get your point of view. In 1939 the Germans were expanding towards the Soviet Union. Now it’s NATO who are attempting to expand towards Russia. If Ukraine remained neutral this war wouldn’t have happened.

[@Blanka1100]

@@johnmccaffrey5942 Nato does not expand by force. Countries apply to join in order to be secured because they know Russia has never been a friendly neighbour. It is like blaming a victim for calling the police because she did not want to be hurt anymore.

[@johnmccaffrey5942]

@@Blanka1100 NATO does not expand by force. Are you serious. Just ask the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia,Libya, Syria, the blowing up of Noordstream. They even toppled the democratically elected Ukrainian govt in Kiev on 2014.

[@Blanka1100]

@@johnmccaffrey5942 Nobody forced my country to join Nato.We asked for it because we were tired of Russia's aggression. We knew Russia would never change for better and we were right. Nato does not annex. I am not sorry for Milosevic or Assad. Yanukovich was voted out by Ukrainian parlament, he lost support of his own party and run to Moscow where he belongs to. He refursed to sign deal with EU, he hurt protesters.

[@johnmccaffrey5942]

@@Blanka1100 sorry Yanokovich not voted out by Ukrainian parliament. Complete myth. Parliament voted but couldn’t get majority. Putsch NATO backed parliamentarians went ahead with the vote anyway declared themselves winner - without majority. Then UK foreign secretary William Hague in an attempt to cover UK tracks for support of a Putsch parroted the line Ukrainian parliament voted by majority for new government. Was put under pressure by UK journalist Peter Hitchens to back this up. Couldn’t do it then backed down.

[@tomstulc9143]

Yes I'm a historian. This absolutely parallels the summer of 1914 an the summer of 1939. It's going to be in the fan before this fall. 2022 was the 1936 of our era.

[@pauljames6721]

Brilliant, thanks for making everyone anxious

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

Trump can't pull the US out of NATO without the agreement of Congress

[@georgerice4207]

Putin also said he would not invade Ukraine

[@geraldtraynor]

DTRH again on Rupert's Radio!

[@chrismartin5662]

i live in New Zealand and in anticipation of Russia winning i've already put my toilet outside and started learning how to speak Chinese

[@Joey-ct8bm]

Could be worse. Iran, Afghanistan or North Korea could be the new overlord. Sharia law in New Zealand.

[@bryandimery6509]

From the covid karens who run new zealand, its not like life could get any worse for you lot

[@anacarolinabarenboim7019]

😬

[@timonsolus]

@@StPiter111: That’s what the Japanese thought back in early 1942. Didn’t work out that way.

[@andrewst9797]

At least Jacinda whatsit is gone!

[@romansseja4062]

Here in the Baltics we realise the threat of Russia so it must be isolated by building physical barriers and zero trading with it. And Russia would not stop at occupying (brutally) the Baltics as NATO will always be on its border and US would eventually have to intervene as in both WWs. Russia sees a weak Europe as the means of reducing America’s influence and wealth, whoever is in the Kremlin.

[@mcslifestyle]

Putin also said that he would never attack Ukraine

[@fluffyusa]

The USA also said we wont move our NATO bases eastward. Did the CIA take part in overthrow of Kiev? Nordstream? Bio Labs in Ukraine? Did the US/UK govt stop the Ukrainians about a year ago in Turkey for peace talks with the Russians? Did Angela Merkel say that the Minsk Agreements was a stalling tactic for NATO to build up the Ukrainian Army to fight Russia.

[@ozyrob1]

Putin had no plans to invade Ukraine either.

[@chrismontens9353]

You guys do realise the sun set on the empire yeah?

[@Travis_22]

The Russian empire? 1917

[@DarrenJamiesonJamieson]

What was that when we destroyed all the other empires in WW1 & II? The British Empire is in fine fettle these days which you are unable to deny 😂 Living in denial: Believing that rules are taxable.

[@wlhjr77]

which empire? russia?

[@chrismontens9353]

​@@Travis_22i was refering to the British Empire, beste vriend. The +- 70k land force and dozen frigates might scare Luxemburg, that's about it😅

[@Dark_Bandon]

The Sun never rose on the Russian empire.

[@StPiter111]

Or, perhaps, NATO should leave Russia alone😅 What do you mean, If Russia will defeat Ukraine?😅 It's done🤓

[@TheEuropeanPrepper]

Correct Russia has been disarmed China 🇨🇳 is the boss putin is nothing

[@Evahicks830]

Question how is nato messing with Russia???

[@StPiter111]

@@Evahicks830 Are you serious? Kiev was under full CIA and Mi6 control since an illegal nationalistic coup in Kiev in 2014 😅

[@TheEuropeanPrepper]

​@@StPiter111 ahh a putin fan boy ...

[@StPiter111]

@@TheEuropeanPrepper Thanks God we have no Bidens, Scholz, Boris or Macron in Kremlin 😅 We had enough weak leaders with Gorby and Yeltsin. Enough is enough indeed 🤓

[@bengaltiger1289]

I hope NATO and Russia negotiate even though I can't see a chance I do hope I'm proven wrong.

[@TM-zj1xt]

Does anyone know how to reach Tim Marshall? I’d like to invite him to my school -in London-to speak. Thx!!

[@micaiahm1]

‘If Ukraine falls, war with Russia is inevitable” ..3 years in and STILL no one has logically demonstrated this.

[@TheToppa72]

Umm.. just over 2 years in but yeah, pretty much. Why is war inevitable?

[@andyhurrell]

OK, but Ukraine hasn't fallen yet. Do you want to take the chance?

[@micaiahm1]

@@andyhurrell Ukraine was already in Moscow’s control for 70 years and they didn’t attack the West

[@andyhurrell]

@@micaiahm1 so what?

[@micaiahm1]

@@andyhurrell so what are we taking a chance of?

[@museme6945]

Pooptin needs to retire already, enough of this BS.

[@RoseSharon7777]

Russia wont wait 2 more years to make his point. Thats the scarey part.

[@ThomasBusby]

Props for correct pronunciation of Tusk

[@manayesh]

How does he know Russia is militarily inferior to nato? Does he know the quantity and capabilities of Russia's offensive weapons?

[@alanversfeld7497]

ok as nobody has answered you the US defence budget is about 900 billion the Russian budget is about 85 Billion so what is the question ?

[@Olleetheowl]

Are you seriously talking about potentially “Trusting “ Trump?

[@IMSiegfried]

This is the first sensible comment I've seen.

[@vanessali1365]

Sadly, many do

[@Evahicks830]

Um yes just pay the 2% like we agreed on and you’ll be good how much more simple do you need it to be. Trump is a man of his word.

[@andrewst9797]

This man is convincing.

[@JonDow-ow2fc]

he has had constipation for a while you can see the backed up brown logs making him sweat 😰 in the vid 😢

[@jayclarke6671]

If it's 'inevitable' it won't be anytime soon, not at least until Russia could fully rearm and retrain which would take years. Besides that, NATO power even without the US could trounce Russia and they know that unless they are suicidal. Of course the big N word is always a factor.

[@dalecrocker3213]

I doubt it would be as clear-cut a contest as you imagine.

[@jayclarke6671]

@@dalecrocker3213 you mean to suggest that a military that has already suffered over 300k casualties and countless destroyed platforms from advanced aircraft to armoured vehicles could actually muster up any sort of threat to Europe?

[@IMSiegfried]

Putin has already put his country on a war time footing and unlike democracies it doesn't take years for it to be implimented.

[@IMSiegfried]

@@jayclarke6671 I guess you don't know the population of Russia is 147 million. He has already stated that he is forming two new armies and has put his country on a war time footing which doesn't take years to implement (unlike democracies). You've got to stop thinking like a westerner to understand Russia nd Putin.

[@jayclarke6671]

@@IMSiegfried and Europe has got around 500m plus a massive combined military that's fresh and well equipped.

[@tex120776]

NATO, Victoria Nulands and a neocon foreign policy has provoked this conflict, not Putin's imperial ambitions and it is silliness to think that increased spending on conventional arms will keep us safe. The project to drag Ukraine into NATO was reckless and everyone acknowledged this in 2008 for context re: Monroe Doctorine

[@trekker8033]

Spoken like a true leftist who never studied history!

[@la7dfa]

Every single time Nuland is mentioned, it is RuZZian bots. She apparently takes up lots of space in their RAM.

[@tex120776]

@richardsanders4624. Start reading from 2008, the Bucharest Declaration and keep reading until the Minsk Agreement, after that listen carefully to Jens Stoltenberg. No amount of spin can correct what was essentially a reckless strategy that all the actors aware of the likely outcome. Now people are dying and for what?

[@ShaunStruwig]

I get the impression that half the "experts" interviewed by TimesRadio are a bunch of people who've read a lot of books and formed some opinions from them and now think that makes them experts.

[@rickschromehd]

NATO poked the Bear, they had an agreement not to move east 1 inch when the Berlin Wall fell, that area was consider a buffer zone!

[@benghiskahn3673]

Show us the document within which this agreement is contained and signed.

[@andresdeks]

Russian aggression or nato pushing the bear into a corner?? I believe the later

[@GaryGraham-sx4pm]

nato aggression or russian paranoia?? i believe the latter

[@davidwalters313]

Not really convinced. I dont think Trump has any intention of abandoning Nato. Indeed he has only said that we should all pay our way. Who would disagree with him?

[@AK-us2di]

He's said several times he wouldn't help if an EU country were attacked, although granted he does have a point about paying their way. His foreign policy views seem so incoherent it's pretty hard to call, but if I were an EU defence minister I'm not sure I'd want to bank on him not keeping his word.

[@MR-mc6rj]

Hard to take a lecture from a man who has never paid his own bills his entire life. If Trump is elected, Ukraine is gone. There will be no money, no weapons, no rebuilding. The U.S. doesn't pay it's dues to the U.N, what about that.

[@American-In-Mykolaiv]

Nothing Trump says is true.

[@dancingferret6654]

@@AK-us2di He told a story at a rally where he recounted an alleged conversation with another NATO president. In this conversation, Trump told the other president he wouldn't intervene if Russia attacked this unnamed country if they refused to spend 2%. That's where the "I'd let Russia do whatever they want" comment came from. Trump has never called on Russia to attack NATO. He's never specifically said he wouldn't defend NATO (aside from his claim to have done so in this conversation), and on the contrary, most of his belligerence can be explained by a desire for NATO members to take their defense more seriously. Keep in mind, Trump was banned from Twitter until Musk took it over, and he still hasn't returned. His ability to actually get his thoughts out to the public without them being filtered by the media (who hate him) have been severely limited. Much of what is common knowledge about Trump and his positions is actually untrue.

[@annflynn7209]

@@dancingferret6654Trump is so busy mocking other he find very little time to say what he wants to accomplish. I find it disturbing that he is such a close friend with pootin and that he look up to his way of leading ruzzia. It scares me that he will run US as a dictator. That would be the end of democracy

[@luckyea7]

“You can be friends with Russia - it is generous, you can cooperate with Russia - it is honest, you can ask from Russia - it is generous, Russia can be deceived - it is gullible. But you can’t fight with Russia - it’s invincible”!!! (A.V. Suvorov)

[@jamesmcdonald8534]

All the more reason why NATO should up the ante in defense of Ukraine. Stop dillydallying....

[@meme3395]

Did you write this message from the frontline or are you still dillydallying?

[@vladddtfan]

Withholding weapons from Ukraine, while US is bursting at the seams with Cold War stockpiles, which it is disposing of, is absurd and wrong. Third year into the war, the EU is refusing to start producing weapons to supply Ukraine. Russia is starting to win at the front as a result. What are you guys thinking?

[@Jamie-uk2zh]

The Royal Navy can’t even stop rubber boats 🛶 😂

[@christineayres7199]

Royal taxi service lol

[@DacianRider]

it's interesting... ruzzbots have the same type of jokes in other countries. So, yes... it's textbook pre-war actions.

[@Dani-mw2ws]

The Royal Navy has a lot to learn from RuZZki Navy

[@a5cent]

OP is YARB Account is less than 1 year old

[@christineayres7199]

@@Dani-mw2ws The Finns got right idea build a wall 🧱 and stop the illegals

[@peterbrown8880]

Ukraine will win, but in a massive if. Russia would be massacred in a Conventional War, think about it

[@claudinefiona9698]

No we all would be massacred because it would become a nuclear war. RUSSIA CANNOT BE DEFEATED.

[@blaircalvin5025]

If the Russians rupture the thin Ukrainian defensive lines it will be very difficult for the Ukrainians to prevent a rolling up of their lines.

[@user-wn3cm6jf8e]

Claptrap!!

[@SilvanMarty]

Russian not must directly occupy all baltic once! Free some parts of russian living and really thinking western going into war about silowiki gap or some parts of baltic? Western nato finding again excuses. Western not really willing helping 🇺🇦 fighting at own agains dictatorship! Only naive thinking western straight going on war if some parts occupied? Nato articles 5 says only so mutch able every country able must support another! This means willing also! Nato unwilling its weaker then an russian with less military!

[@user-mn8re8jp7v]

Study English please before written ANYTHING here!

[@seanlander9321]

NATO is nothing without America, and if it comes to the crunch there is no certainty that America would turn up to the fight, because they don’t have to.

[@vanessali1365]

Wrong, see article 5

[@rodmarker2071]

Europe can defend itself from WWII tanks - but thanks Ivan

[@la7dfa]

Article 5 has been used once and that was for the USA after 9-11.

[@vanessali1365]

@@la7dfa not quite, that's article 6

[@seanlander9321]

@@la7dfa It’s America that virtually alone financed and equipped the Cold War to defeat the Soviet Union. It’s America and Australia that alone protect Europe with their surveillance. It’s America alone that protects Europe with its nuclear arsenal. The Europeans are work-shy cowards who lean on America and the handouts have to end because American taxpayers have had it with a century of protecting Europeans from each other.

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

Trump didn’t demand NATO members pay 2% - he said he won’t come to their aid if they don’t pay “enough”. He didn’t specify how much “enough” is. Trump’s goal is to weaken NATO all his unhinged behaviour makes sense if you suppose that is one of his goals.

[@Evahicks830]

It’s 2%

[@user-ek3sf9cm8s]

Poland is not "Eastern Europe" Poland is Central Europe, look at the maps.

[@a.u.b1]

Couple of videos below, we have "russia cant take Kiyv", now we have "if Ukraine falls, war with nato is inevitable"😂. You should make up your mind😂

[@louisaparker]

Different videos have different guests talking. The difference of opinions. That's the idea.

[@donaldhutin6310]

Why is Netanyahu Immune from being Arrested for Genocide?

[@boink800]

Have we forgot what happened last October?

[@whynottalklikeapirat]

Why is that not a question for a different video and comment section?

[@georgegalileo]

In 1936, Soviets and Fascist were actively involved in the Spanish Civil War.

[@robbiekop7]

By *we* fight I hope he means himself

[@bradprince8933]

Hilarious 😂

[@markcepeda8144]

smelly mendacious Donald Trump loving Putin????.no not reallly!!!...Reagan must be turning over ....😊

[@christineayres7199]

It is very funny as Putin if he wanted to would just nuke us all lol

[@markcepeda8144]

@@christineayres7199 riiiiight ??? and Russia ONLY has nukes????? .try thinking ok !!😊

[@christineayres7199]

@@markcepeda8144 Yeah but Russians are not scared 😨 unlike NATO , Russians prepared to die they do not care about Nuclear fire

[@daniellucena9694]

It's so obvious is meant to happen...

[@larsgreen4292]

I don't understand who are we in war with russia? i mean seriously why? anyone can explain... just sign the minsk agreement and that it it's what he asked for

[@derekferguson385]

Keep up the propaganda.

[@marisabenson1222]

You too

[@TheBlackIdentety]

Times is Slipping ever lower. I'll have to unsub if there's a couple of more videos like this. Trump apologists are disgusting.

[@operator9858]

bye nancy!

[@rosstocher]

It will have to be nuclear as Russia is incapable of preforming on battlefield. Russia is a male peacock without the feathers, just a turkey on long legs

[@mhlangamlungisi5108]

Nato has ran out of weapons and ammunition. What will they fight Russia with.

[@markbryant4641]

I don't see it that way at all, Ross. Russia is winning. They're single handedly defeating an army that is trained, armed, paid for, supported in every way by the entire western world. If you do a bit of reading about Russia's military strategies it's very plain to see how they're going about the war. I presume you think they're unimpressive because the war wasn't over in three days and the frontline doesn't move? It's not how they do things. Ukraine didn't stand a chance. Russia will crush the country. They'll slowly keep applying more and more pressure. It's a totally different approach to western military philosophy. We try to quickly knock out the enemy at the beginning of a war then clean up what's left. Russia grinds at the enemy from the start. Slowly. They never let up. As the war progresses and the enemy gets weaker and weaker Russia applies more pressure all the time. When Ukraine breaks and surrenders Russia will be at the strongest they've been throughout the war and the violence and brutality against Ukraine will be at its highest point.

[@user-iu5vc5ki8p]

Did I understand Tim Marshall correctly, he drew a parallel between Germany's involvement in the Spanish Civil War and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I see no parallel at all; the Russian invasion of Ukraine was prompted by the treatment by Ukraine of the Russian-speaking people in the Donbas and by NATO's unwillingness to stop expanding towards Russia, which was a serious security concern for the latter to put it mildly. Where is the parallel Mr Marshall is speaking of. Having experienced first hand Russo-phobia by a Pole to what extent is Donald Tusk fuelled by the same feelings? Correct me if I'm wrong but, unlike the West, Russian military engagements have tended to be much closer to home. The West, America in particular, wants its sphere of influence to be worldwide, a comparable aim has not been demonstrated by modern Russia to the best of my knowledge. As is the norm the causes of the Ukraine-Russian war was not mentioned in this interview for the simple reason that, based on the historical context, the West are entirely to blame for the conflict. Was Russian seen as a serious / existential military threat by the West before the events in Ukraine took place, I don't think so. According to Tim Marshal NATO is far stronger than Russia. The West has miscalculated, got itself into a position it never dreamed off, and now has to talk up war because it's messed-up big time. It chose to ignore another countries genuine security concerns and is paying the price.

[@Salford_Chap]

Unfortunately Ukraine has already lost the war

[@marisabenson1222]

Wrong

[@user-lk2vh7vk3k]

Has that been officially announced ? The " 3 day special operation " has been generally viewed as a failure so far to achieve complete victory.

[@robm509]

Says who?

[@user-od1pe2ip2n]

You cannot defeat 🇷🇺🇷🇺Russia 😅

[@jimjoelliejack]

🤡

[@marisabenson1222]

Bs

[@boink800]

Germany did in 1917.

[@RedBrigades]

​@@boink800Russia was in the grips of revolution

[@boink800]

@@RedBrigades Are we making up excuses? Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅