Choosing A Main: Shadowlands - Let's Get it to 4

[@Preachgaming]

Apparently when Chris asks for Selfies with no context we should be more conservative.

[@eddbull6157]

bis

[@CandyOMBodydouble]

Rip

[@ОлегХореев]

Tank tier list please

[@zeakonz70]

I like that your talking about hunter for doing objectives in the raid but you barely cant stand the bm specc.. This vid was really different 🤣 All things considerd : i predict you pick dk and hunter xD

[@Mikade1441]

Preach you never said what covenant you and Fin were going on priest?!?

[@xStryphe93]

Timestamps: 2:27 - Unholy Death Knight 4:30 - WW Monk 7:26 - Feral Druid 10:14 - Ret Paladin 15:40 - BM Hunter 20:09 - Shadow Priest 21:18 - Shadow Priest 24:10 - Sub Rogue

[@Antrakt92]

Jana7i thank you

[@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116]

Thank you by 2

[@Gijontin]

Godtier comment

[@TrappedHere]

Epic thanks sir

[@FelipeSantos-wu1uf]

What in the fuck, this got my by surprise, i thought WW, Feral, Ret and BM were all shit.

[@joeparas]

Preach: I HATE pet classes. So Preach, what are two of your mains? Preach: Unholy DK and Hunter are SCHWEEET.

[@Kfo221]

TRUE

[@MJay_]

Well BM Hunter to be precise, coz MM hunter is better without a pet.. But yeah

[@k.f.kobold7910]

@@MJay_ you also got SV hunter.

[@MJay_]

@@k.f.kobold7910 Yeah i know, but MM is still essentially petless

[@XCeazyX]

preach: says thing sucks preach: does thing has fun does not address that he says it sucks

[@Rakinjo2]

The whole "Kyrian is definitely more fun, but you kind of have to go Necrolord"-thing really highlights the problems we're looking at with this.

[@Altobrun]

meh. I look at the covenants as occupying a position between races and professions, in both their impact to the class and their changeability. While it's toned town on live for the longest time racials were a massive deciding factor in what race-class combo you went with. Back when profession only items were bis or engineering was a must have for raiders it also pigeon-holed what choices you realistically make for your character if you wanted to play at the highest levels.

[@Despond]

@Not Drunk James No you have no idea how it works then. You can now change pvp and pve with any spec freely. Even if fire is good for PVE if it's bad PVP, you're screwed if you pick the wrong conduits/covenant. If you're a hybrid you get locked into one spec for the week, you get no benefit in being a hybrid were now I can pick full skills as prot and just swap to DPS. Its the most restrictive system that's about to go live.

[@Giliver]

@@Despond yeah see I told my group of friends I'd actually play Holy/disc for once and not just main shadow... Yee that's not happening anymore. Lol Blizzard is actively pushing me away from changing specs, it's really fucking stupid.

[@CornbreadPops]

@@Giliver why do you feel like you only have to play one spec? Is it your covenant or the soulbinds for the covenant you want?

[@Giliver]

@@CornbreadPops covenant abilities and binds aren't lining up how I'd like for my offspecs unfortunately. I'll likely make an alt to do multi roll on specifically but my main is probably staying shadow to reduce headaches. lol

[@Karne_BG]

Man I always love the choosing a main series! Your thought process and the way you make sure every element of your class is to your taste, absolutely love it. It gives me a benchmark to help pick for myself as well!

[@ii2gjdp20sjdj2]

Will you do another Covenant Wars now that everything is closing in on it's final form or maybe closer to release?

[@SmugHomura]

He said on stream he won't

[@nicwin4006]

Preach: I don't enjoy playing this class, but I might have to play it anyway. Finn: I really enjoy playing this class, so I'm going to play it anyway.

[@Pods_Vids]

Finn's got it right.

[@Outwardpd]

Kind of speaks volumes about recent events lol

[@BurritoPanda]

As someone who's mained a BM Hunter for as long as I can remember, it makes me happy to hear you give them praise. Also makes me very happy to hear how useful they'll probably be in the new raid!

[@tangman9890]

I mean, they are the same as they have always been. Full damage on mobility, its not a new concept for the class :)

[@SaltyMaud]

Doing jobs and in general being useful for the raid. That hits home so hard, that's the only reason i've still been playing hunter post WoD when they in my opinion pretty much ruined the specs.. but damn it's still so nice being able to be proactive in raids. That's 100% my thing. Though ironically i'm leaning heavily towards tanking in SL because tanking is still fun outside raiding, dps in M+ and such is so boring.

[@twidelia4102]

Feral is actually the last spec I expected to come out of preach's mouth. INTERESTING!!!

[@bmschlossberg]

I agree with preach though. It’s the only spec I’ve found to be fun on ptr

[@Bahumet22]

Brian Schlossberg compared to bfa is it more fun? How good is it pve and pvp, also better then bfa or about the same?

[@bmschlossberg]

Marcos Calderon feral on live doesn’t have the same feel because with all of the Azerite essence and corruption layered on top of it the base kit has less impact. On ptr you strip away all of the bfa systems and the feral base kit shines through. If you like a dot based melee play style with high mobility, high burst and very high self healing, then you’ll like feral on ptr. I haven’t played in beta dungeons or with legendaries and conduits.

[@theatheistattitude]

@@bmschlossberg Can confirm. Been a havoc main since 8.2 as we somehow didn't have a dh in our raid. While it's fun zipping around and eye beaming things, the spec is braindead simple. Same rotation for St and aoe. Meanwhile my benched feral since BFA launch is actually doing fine again on the ptr. And as preach says, the flexibility to do any roll is bit. Plus the insane utility.

[@kurtkrusader]

I kinda forgot it existed and I also mained it in wotlk, so if its kinda hybrid-ish again i might jump on the beta tomorrow and give it a squeeze.

[@Lazeil]

Stellaris-Soundtrack as background music, nice :)

[@Lucillevt4011]

Was just about to comment that as well lol

[@weizhang3069]

Yeah, it caught my ears the second it was played out as I have been playing the game very often recently. I was quite surprised and not sure whether I was correct about it or not. So that I went down to the comment area and that it was, my dude.

[@bubyCZ]

How is Stellaris doing today anyway? I left with 1,2k hours played when they killed entire micro in the name of macro with 2.0 ... the game went on autopilot where you had little to zero power in actually controlling the stuff. Each update after 2.0 took control from your hands and introduced yet another artificial layer of nonsense that took your attention from actually controling and deciding the important stuff.

[@pointsintostrength]

"I don't enjoy the gameplay" "high probably of being my main" Wut mate? I have a feeling 6 months down the line preach is going to make a video on why he regrets picking hunter.

[@Preachgaming]

This is the biggest concern. More realistically, 2nd raid tier has no cool odd jobs to do in the raid so it's just dps or w/e. Then it will suck

[@demoncleaner80]

@@Preachgaming Kind of weird to hear in my opinion, because I love Hunter and I have to basically force myself not to play one! The utility and movement is amazing (I really enjoy Survival in PvP) and for me, when you're bored and don't have anything to do, I always enjoyed the "Pokemon" aspect of going and trying to find rare pets to tame because they looked cool,

[@Ontspandude]

Just go feral! Druid masterrace! 😎

[@demoncleaner80]

@@Ontspandude I have been debating it myself. I haven't played a Druid as a main since BC. That, and if I have to heal (which I usually like playing healers), Resto Druid is pretty fun.

[@heyimanameheyimalastname]

@@demoncleaner80 Why do you need to force yourself not to?

[@Trashloot]

Making this video more of a discussion is such a good idea. It gives you way more insight in to why you guys choose what you choose. Way cooler video then the last selecting your main videos.

[@brandonlewis3379]

Going to stick with a Balance Druid for me we've seen many changes in the past and I'll brave the storm again this time.

[@mongobaracuda]

Honestly just the starfall change alone makes me want to come back to boomkin :D

[@pyromaniant3706]

I mained Balance until Legion. I didn't like the changes from eclipse to empowerment, even if I was in the minority on that one. This is the first xpac I'm going back to my main and finally happy and excited again to play WoW. :)

[@Xyain]

Loved this style of video. The back and forth convo makes for a really easy listen with tons of information.

[@GeNN18192]

Random comment that I mained class x for y years, and I'm going for it anyways.

[@effortlessGFX]

Random reply saying your main is trash and always has been.

[@kensebben1]

Random comment that this thread is great.

[@Giaiphage]

Random inquiry on why you picked x class and how you could possibly of played it for y years when you could of just played z.

[@xxtovarichxx]

Never understood this flavor of the month. My first character was a Druid and after bouncing around through BC and Wrath, I went back and its been my main since. Its just one of those thing were I enjoy it in pretty much 90% of all aspects of the game. Patches will change the strength of classes throughout the expansion, so you might as well stick with something you can enjoy at least. Because once the excitement of being top on meters or a patch smacks you down, you realize how much you didn't enjoy the class really.

[@xdruidmaster]

Random comment that attacks class x because class z is better for reasons.

[@celtiberianwarrior3783]

Brothers everywhere, raise your hands into the air! We're WARRIORS! Warriors of the world! 💪🏻

[@Jmarshall7066]

Like thunder from the sky , Sworn to fight and die! We're warriors Warriors of the world!

[@spriggs_fm]

Warriors for life

[@stevshaboba7476]

Warriors are basic bitches, with fury rotation being even more zzzzzzzzzz then ret

[@celtiberianwarrior3783]

@@stevshaboba7476 That's what I'm aiming for, Fury+Venthyr = Condemn go brrrrrrrrr

[@kimplin]

@@celtiberianwarrior3783 lmao dude sudden death, condemn, whirlwind. Its gonna be nuts

[@pandasempai6459]

Preach left out the actual best part of BM which is that you jump everywhere you go

[@Waevform]

LMAO I am SEEN

[@Ozrichead]

Interesting to hear this perspective on how people choose to play different classes and switch mains for new expansions. I've been playing since day one of WoW release and have been maining a Holy Priest since then, never changing. So to me there is never any choice to make when it comes to main, and I have never been in a guild that has tried to decide for me what to play or not play.

[@07Tiger1050]

I agree that keeping the same main one expansion after the next would be best. Unfortunately, starting October 13th, my Demon Hunter is less than half as strong as it was on the 12, and all my main does now is die. All the damn time. I do NOT want to have to start building a new main--for two expansions I loved playing the Demon Hunter. I really, REALLY do not want to start a new main. I also really, REALLY do not want to keep dying.

[@essamelmasry2277]

I thought i forgot stellaris in the background xD

[@MrSeanSouza]

same

[@Scrydragon]

Oops, there goes the consumer goods again. . . .

[@GermoDante]

I was playing stellaris while watching it, I suddenly realize I don't play it with music on, lol'd

[@akasha5904]

yeah same here haha was double checking

[@filipfenix]

Literally

[@jffste6149]

i absolutely love content like this. two dudes who know the game, are insightful, talking about the game....this is great casual listening while i work. thank you!

[@eddbull6157]

I've decided to leave caster dps and only so often off-healing to go main healer in shadowlands. MW Monk has THE coolest aesthetic out of every healer so that was a given for me. Lets just hope theyre atleast decent.

[@Adellund]

Lol gl it looks pretty trash rn

[@eddbull6157]

@@Adellund Doesnt look abhsolutely trash, sure, its got problems. But since im fairly casual and only getting curve and weekly keys, it should be fine

[@Adellund]

@@eddbull6157 thats fair. The wording just made me assume u were raiding mythic. My bad

[@joshhutto2069]

Preach and Fin get so much community love bc they come off as cool guys you’d want to hang out with and have a beer IRL. Cool guys and always stellar content. Ty

[@OtterSeaborne8901]

Talking about WotLK hybrid feral, Cataclysm Feral had full-blown Bearcat. Best time I've had in the game, one spec for healing and one that could swap between tank and melee DPS (at around a 5% dps loss from optimal Cat) on one GCD and have actual gameplay when the other tank had the boss. It was broken as hell and great fun.

[@Yakkahboo]

Sad to hear about the shaman changes. Its one of those classes that I have a passion for but it has never felt to be the right pick in any circumstance.

[@onyxian4978]

Sticking with Fury Warrior, was a lot of fun in BFA and Legion, going to be even more fun with the choice of covenant abilities (especially with Venthyr’s Condemn.)

[@mrfunnelz]

I was thinking the same thing, except the condemn is a rage spender which might be a little awkward for fury.

[@arke473]

@@mrfunnelz might go back to more of a legion playstyle when execute was a spender

[@Knezfilip]

@@mrfunnelz Condemn is not a rage spender for fury, it works the same way as the "vanilla" execute for both specs.

[@loukie1158]

@@mrfunnelz I would rather have it a spender and do damage than having it being a filler to get rage. I miss legion execute even the old execute was better than what we have now, warriors fury and arms alike was known for that FAT execute phase it is where we shined it was our spotlight.

[@JBrandonMercer123]

At first, I thought this was a serious video and then I heard your choices. Great video. It's such a good troll that I think a lot of people will think you two are serious. Top form.

[@Syrnix]

I've been having that feeling through the beta, and I've been discussing this with my raid leader, but having preach say "feral is viable and fun, no meme" is gonna do so much good for the perception of the spec.

[@thepolarbearfreak7667]

There needs to be a meme spec everyone can pick on tho. And feral is perfect because 1 its never going to be more than a budget rogue and 2 its a silly cat

[@Syrnix]

You can pick on it all you want as long as game play remains fun and it's okay on the meters

[@relyks8645]

@@thepolarbearfreak7667 It's not meant to just be a "budget rogue." It's more meant to be a Rogue that has the flexibility to heal and do other things. Blizzard has just been unable to really flesh that out properly for them for several expansions now.

[@relyks8645]

@@felixW94 Are we really gonna discount what they DO have? You're right, they're not the same class. Weird how that works.

[@relyks8645]

@@felixW94 I would argue that Feral is absolutely supposed to be melee, but I digress. Now claiming that Druid doesn't have enough utility is a strange one for me. They have tons of CC, they have a Battle Rez and they have excellent mobility. They can also heal someone in a pinch, which is something they'll be even better at in Shadowlands.

[@johnstrh1]

every video I see where people say how "good" or "fun" disc is they are legit struggling to keep the group above like 30% health

[@seamusb.8933]

For sure I'm sure they're hoping it'll be tuned well for launch but there's always a risk that a spec sucks for a whole patch or more.

[@Frost2599]

If you know how to heal and anticipate damage it’s fine, it’s not as strong as currently but it’s still good. And in pvp which is why I play the game it’s still really good

[@saganakist]

need to squeeze in that extra dps dude

[@fewew7898]

Disc doesn’t need to keep people at 100%

[@igorioshka]

i also dont get it. they dont even have nice animations, so I could have an excuse like "at least i look cool doing something". i want another healer for myself, and 2 possible prist choices already out of the picture because of that

[@Lunethzero]

If fin plays ret I hope hes ready for another whole expac where Crusade is BiS and half of the talents are garbanzo

[@Berserkism]

The PVP is looking especially tragic for Ret, like pathetically bad

[@quelzar]

You say it like other classes have multiple talents viable? Lol most of the classes have dead rows and garbage talents

[@colinanthony2011]

Preach, just want to say thank you for all the Shadowlands coverage. Your videos leading up to an expansion are always great. Let's just hope this turns out better than BFA.

[@MrHaudium]

idk why but i kinda feel exact the opposite about ret pally, savix has some good points in his video.

[@grimjjaw6893]

Savix is talking from mainly a pvp and especially arena perspective. He's right but not for pve and that's fine because he is not interested in pve.

[@SkullK---ht]

savix is only concerned with pvp, these two don't care at all about pvp. thats probably why they haven't different views on it

[@MrHaudium]

@@grimjjaw6893 yeah he talks alot about mobility in pvp, but i think the overall rotation feels kinda lackluster. idk just my feeling

[@AsprosOfAzeroth]

Same. It's mainly those god awful Auras for me and the GCD...

[@EndOfExistence1337]

A few things he said apply to PvE as well, like the auras that were baseline before but for some fucking reason aren't anymore, and nobody likes divine steed.

[@aockrewshi7480]

Hopefully, they address the WW Monk scaling issues in that monk blue post a few days from now

[@MrJayza89]

Hopefully. But I'm not holding my breath.

[@kimplin]

Im hoping they replace hit combo

[@alexhoward1805]

I'll still main it anyway because I love the playstyle but I really hope they do

[@derfloh205]

@@kimplin and delete SEF

[@coacharchlane]

@@derfloh205 For real, or just make it something like blade flurry instead of a cooldown for single target.

[@dariohadermann3879]

Are you going to make another round of quick looks on the specs or classes. I'm wondering because there have been a couple of changes and I want to make sure those are implemented in the vids. Thanks for the vids already, keep up the good work man.

[@ThomasBachler01]

Well based on your selection I would guess that you would only want to play DD even if you end up playing priest? Then would you mind playing legacy of the void if that happens to be the go-to or would that kill it for you? How many out of the 3 dmg specs for the other 3 classes do you enjoy playing and would you mind switching to any of them if they are the best?

[@Freeasacar]

I'm going Kyrian Sin Rogue with Pelagos as a soulbind simply because she's been my main forever and I like Pelagos because of reasons, plus he also happens to have good DPS conduits. I'd absolutely go Necrolord for the abilities if I could but the covenant goes against everything my character stands for. I'm one of those players who will be waiting for the 9.X patch where they let us choose a class ability from another covenant. You just know it's going to happen. The one thing I'd like added to Sin Rogue is the Cut to the Chase passive that refreshes our Slice and Dice with every Envenom because right now SnD has very little interaction with the rest of the spec and it can be a pain to upkeep even though I like the ability.

[@BrendanOriginal]

Never thought i'd see you consider feral as a main, hopefully the stigma is broken this expansion!

[@thepolarbearfreak7667]

No, there must always be a meme class. The budget rogue and silly cat is always destined to be that

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

Feral will always be budget Rogue, there’s a no way to avoid that Because the moment Feral becomes as good as/better than any of the Rogue specs the entire class becomes pointless. Why play a simple Rogue when you can play a Druid who is not only far more versatile but can do everything the Rogue is good at?

[@jenat82]

You finally see the BM hunter for what it is. It isn't about the rotation, it is about everything else you can do. Mechanics feel like a chore on other classes. The feeling of freedom by being ranged and 100% mobile. I fell in love with BM years ago. On a raid boss, I can't remember the expansion. Stealthed adds spawned, loads of different adds spawned, casters. I was using all my toolkit for add management, and it felt so good.

[@ninjaman0003]

15:46 you have perfectly stated how i feel as a 10 year hunter main. i've always loved doing extra mechanics. my issue is that hunter game play used to be fun and blizzard has abandoned us.

[@recoomedabest9970]

This, idk maybe bias but since the survival change feels like we are heavily reliant on MM being fun. BM has always been BM, but since Legion have felt that we kinda are put to the side. IDK if i feel this way due to losing my favorite spec in the game and MM feeling pretty meh for a bit now. I get surv is pretty fun in pvp and its close to have a melee spec to change it up but it was really nice to be able to switch between 2 specs that and the 3rd being easy mode/pet spec.

[@rfo98b]

Everything used to be fun. In my opinion, almost all classes have peaked in the past and are now just straight up worse and less fun to play...

[@thomasryan7987]

@@recoomedabest9970 BM is a such a godawful spec playing around barbed shot is the most annoying gameplay ever

[@recoomedabest9970]

@@thomasryan7987 why is it annoying? Its boring af, but actually think this has been the best version of BM we have had....which isn't saying much cause historically BM game play has been dumpster fire but whatever lol

[@thomasryan7987]

@@recoomedabest9970 because in not great gear like we'll have at the begining of SL being able to maintain decent uptime of it is difficult at best and if you mistime your next barbed shot your dps plumments

[@AUZlE]

Thank-you for your video. I'm a Paladin main and you guys have made me feel a lot better about the Cov. options.

[@GamesAndWhales]

Preach is the last person I would’ve expected to join me on the hunter train, should be interesting to hear a high level perspective on my main class from someone who admittedly doesn’t even like pet classes. Also, to Mr. Thumbnail Guy, LFR nighthold hunter set is an excellent transmog choice, I approve.

[@Damik93]

As enhancement you actually play different talents, but in single target. Over Forceful Winds you play lashing flames, maybe Elemental Blast after buffs. Over Hailstorm you play Elemental Assault, and over Elemental spirit maybe Earthen Spike will be way to go or Ascendance. Sure for m+/aoe we have one build for now but there is potential for two builds.I don't believe they just will abadon fire nova build without try to fix it.

[@phaton89]

I’m sitting with 3 out of the 4 classes I want to play being classes I’ve never truly mained before. I’m sitting with Rogue, Priest, Hunter, or Warlock and not sure which way to lean.

[@cyrents8230]

I’ve Maine’s warlock for a long time and I can tell you they bring the most utility to a raid or mythic. Especially in shadowlands with curses now. Summon people, lock rocks, gate for movement, a personal teleport, tankiest caster. Every group will want a warlock.

[@shadowlife15]

For DK you mentioned not knowing if the build is going to be breath or obliteration, the consensus now is that it will be night fae for all 3 specs, and frost will be obliteration talent with 2h'ers for the first tier. It will most likely switch to breath during later tiers.

[@4lphao256]

Preach let us get a Elvui Import string of this UI, please, just so we can easily install the base template and build it up on our own from there

[@martinbrankov8504]

Hmm i mained a shadow priest last 2 expansions and now with the rework it seems like a high apm spec which i don't enjoy. Maybe I will try my warrior mage or dk??!

[@mhdoe]

I have never had this problem my choice has been lock for the past 13 years and will be till they pull the plug. I do have alts of every class but none of them have ever given me anything exciting enough to change my main. My 2nd go to is usually my rogue but mostly for pvp and not enough to take the the top spot.

[@KoldbruiseKlips]

@Preach Gaming Can I find Fin's UI profile for ElvUi anywhere?? Super clean setup.

[@Dracounguis]

I've been maining a druid (mostly guardian spec) since burning crusade. Can't say I was overly thrilled with its 'fun-ness' last expansion. _(how blizzard screwed up artifact weapon transmogs last expansion didn't help either.)_ And I don't see any major changes to it in the next expansion. 🤷‍♂️ So maybe I'm on the lookout for a new main. My current leanings.. Demon Hunter Priest and Death Knight.

[@TacticalProjectGaming]

I'd say monk fits the thematic and 3-role capability of druid

[@wrexsoul9489]

I'm in the same boat, but I did the reroll a few times earlier. I've always ended up returning to my druid despite how boring and watered down it has become because I just miss the core aspect of the class, and have had to play catchup. For this expansion I might just stick with my druid and weather the boring, but tbh I'm terribly unexcited for druid tanking if it's going to continue to be a watered down version of a watered down version (Same as Legion minus artifact minus Heart of Azeroth).

[@DaKdawg]

Solid picks, however Priest or Demon Hunter?

[@brinks7801]

demon hunter is clunky, many ppl don't realize how much they rely on borrowed power, FG being baselined is good now, but the AoE capabilities got crushed

[@Dracounguis]

@@wrexsoul9489 I know I tried playing priest in a couple of raids. And it was like "What? I can't battle rez?!" 😱. So yeah there are some Powers you just get used to having.

[@MrReason22]

@Preach Gaming can you elaborate more on the Just No for the DH? Whats wrong with the class?

[@TravieMoney]

How on earth is Fin excited about WW?! I've loved that spec forever but it is in a horrible place right now. Scaling issues haven't been addressed. No raid utility Super unfun completely mandatory talents (looking at you hit combo) Weak survivability. Babylonius did a great write-ul on it on PoS a while back. I've got lots of love for WW but it needs serious shadowlpriest style work.

[@Zulujin]

i guess its relative to what you've played before, if you're a long time monk player then yeah its a piece of garbage, but if you never played it before, meh? maybe.

[@linkastart]

so fucking true. every word

[@diffractions6222]

I don't understand why people hate Hit Combo so much. To me it's a punishing increase of our mastery gameplay system which i end up enjoying surprisingly. Maybe should it be baseline and allow some new talents instead of completely removing it from the game?

[@linkastart]

@@diffractions6222 "don't click the last button you pressed" compare this to MoP/WoD monk it's terrible design. class needs a rework

[@kaygies]

at this point hit combo shouldn’t even be a talent anymore they should just make it baseline

[@nookysvk2546]

I have tested feral druid on PTR, and from my point of view its still a bit clunky, but hope conduints will fix the problem. What would I like to change is, make primal wrath or scent of Blood baseline, and bring back jagged wounds in this row. And also I would like to play with savage roar working similar wotlk style.

[@ChrisB913]

Can we get time stamps for each class? Thanks!

[@Jureru]

2:28 Unholy DK 7:30 Feral Druid 15:44 BM Hunter 21:20 Shadow Priest

[@myracle001]

Really enjoyed this conversation! Nice to hear some reasonable and well-balanced opinions and analysis instead of emotionally-charged and dramatic judgments. Refreshing!

[@benp9793]

Emotionally charged dramatic judgements? You clearly started playing in legion or later. Power being on covenants is an objectively bad thing. You are ignorant.

[@AdventCloudStrife]

I rolled a pally in tbc with the intention of going prot. I was prot pally in wrath, cata, wod, my brief stay in legion, and bfa. Ride or die, prot pally for life.

[@TheIllegalGuy]

The comments about hunter is exactly why I've mained and stayed hunter since forever, I just love being the mechanic monkey in the background doing what I can to help.

[@The_Yukki]

Having tough time deciding between shadow and havoc. Been melee all my "career" I'm bad at casters even worse at multidotters, but I guess gotta learn some time

[@jadelowe8050]

Well despite the nerfs, Havoc DH is still looking pretty strong. It’s DPS will likely still be incredibly strong

[@nickthompson2023]

Unless I missed something, he never said what convenant for Feral, and I’m curious because I plan to main my feral.

[@valaquenta220]

Mage is strong, but the gameplay feels outdated somehow. None of the three specs feel exciting to play, it's a bit dull imo. Warlock has its problems but I definitely have more fun playing one as a comparison

[@Zack-dv6rz]

Ive mained mage since wod and it has gotten super boring

[@cbrdealer]

Man i miss watching your videos. I haven't followed anything in WoW since Mythic Jaina, after 15-16 years off and on i needed a break but watching this makes me miss it, and shadow looks like fun again!

[@DM_Patman]

I would like to know more about rogues as well, just throwing that out there so you know :)

[@clouds2589]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't windwalker like, gotten like, no changes whatsoever carrying over from BFA?

[@justinhunthrop9992]

You didn’t say what covenant for priest despite both of you mentioning it.

[@CC_Seig]

really glad that the UH got some GCD changes - really brightened up my day. Because i always thought it´s kinda annoying to start your rotation after pressing 4 or 5 buttons and there are all on a GCD.

[@kn0bhe4d]

The last time I was this early, we were discussing needing 4 of a single class.

[@thomasryan7987]

thats still being considered lol it didn't go away

[@rattlehead999]

Yeah, you are up to 4 as well :D Mine are: 1. DK Blood primarily and I like Frost and Unholy, but Frost more as I prefer not relying on pets for damage.(Plate class) 2. Shaman, all 3x specs are awesome and have pretty much always been awesome since WotLK, but I will focus on Elemental for once since I usually focus on Enhancement(Mail Class) 3. Monk, primarily Windwalker and Brewmaster, but I'm up for healing when needed(Leather Class) 4. Priest, absolutely looking forward to all three specs, but I will main a Disc priest and OS Shadow and Holy, with Holy being the least used. And I'm talking about playing all of them as I don't plan to do above Normal Raid and then Heroic when I over-gear Normal. Mythic is out of the question.

[@thegrumpylobster2937]

They really need to add a new ranged physical class, I love the mobility and utility of hunter but I'm not a huge fan of the gameplay or fantasy.

[@bobby45825]

You basically want Draven from League of legends.

[@jollyscarecrow]

Maybe an option would be to remove Outlaw Rogue and put in a ranged spec for them. But hunter kind of does what that spec would need as in it can stealth, poison, snipe, retreat. Could go more along the ninja styling but then it becomes just like the GW2 ranged thief... which was fun to be fair.

[@sophirose5569]

What changes would you like to see to Frost DK to make it less of a snooze fest? DK is my favourite class thematically to play, and blood is looking like loads of fun, but I agree that Frost is in a bit of an awkward spot. I was curious if you had any thoughts on it (:

[@Arie25th]

If anyone willingly picks WW monk i will be surprised. Repping that 1.8% of WW monks that is 12/12m in BFA. But holy shit does WW feel bad.

[@derfloh205]

I think the gameplay is really fun, however its infested with bugs and scaling issues and lacks any good utility that a mistweaver or brewmaster doesnt already bring to the raid :( #deleteSEF

[@flippmogaming1]

This is the best part of a new expansion for me, the lead up to preach picking his final form!

[@Tokensb]

Mike, don't do it, I thought the same going into BFA with a hunter and I lost interest in it very quickly, I just can't explain it, you're either a hunter or you're not. I know people that have been playing it for years on end and are happy with it but I think no one is happy with it unless they're really into pets and easy game play. You will lose interest because mechanically and combat wise you can't really do "much", no matter how much you absord and move, there's no setting up for a big burst or anything that feels even in the slightest fulfilling.

[@recoomedabest9970]

I love playing hunter and I hate pets and outside of hunter try to play more challenging specs. I love it for the same reasons he is considering it, in high end raid content you interact with raid mechanics much more then any other class for the most part (rogues are up there too). Though for me, if I'm doing easier content ie heroic raiding hunter starts becoming much more dull. So depends on the content ur doing at least for me personally. The whole you lose interest/its just for ppl into pets and easy gameplay when I get to engage with the mechanics the most I disagree with.

[@Tokensb]

@@recoomedabest9970 My comment was referring to playing hunter for a whole expansion, through top tier content would be different as even if you would enjoy mechanics, outside of raids and m+ (although that is a somewhat annoying thing with a pet class), hunter game play would be simply annoying and you'd need to force yourself to play it, something which would make you lose interest in the game - again, speaking from my own experience, not something that applies to everyone, I might just be missing the point - I loved hunter as an alt in Legion but as a main, it just didn't work for me

[@recoomedabest9970]

@@Tokensb Whats outside of raids and mythic+? Hunter is ez mode in outside world and doing WQ on any spec is kinda auto pilot. Everyone will have different personal experiences, if you forced yourself to play a spec then its not for u. Personally I went off hunter start of legion due to Surv being removed and not liking BM/MM. I played lock until end of nighthold, had a great time with good parses and all of that but i just felt like a pew pew dps. Was boring after awhile and I went back to healing because at least I was engaging with the mechanic of the raid fights/mythic+ in a different way. After awhile all the specs in the game are pretty simple, its how you encounters for me at least that makes the game interesting. Hunters are the ones that do so the most so for me they are the most fun. Even if I still kinda dislike BM hunter lmao....i really want surv bak.....

[@recoomedabest9970]

@@SullenJazzhands I havent really been in liking their play style since WoD tbh. Playing Surv hunter on cata server was super feelsbadman Still when i play another ranged dps in raids i feel semi bored after awhile so I go heals or huntard.

[@CornbreadPops]

@@Tokensb I sure if by patch 9.2 if he got tired of hunter that he would change classes. He did it in BFA.

[@DrPluton]

I usually play casters, and I have a level 120 elemental shaman, balance druid, arcane mage, retribution paladin, and windwalker monk. I'm seriously considering my paladin right now because elemental shaman doesn't seem like it will have enough firepower, balance druid will be a mess to relearn, and mage always forces me to switch specs when I don't want to. I could also level my warlock from 101 to 120 in no time, but I'm not sure what I'd be getting into there.

[@borkguy]

Kind of sad seeing 0 shamans on either spec after the initial hype around unpruning but... oh well

[@solidbry1055]

I really like the look of your interface. Would you mind sharing what addon(s) you are using for monitoring the debuffs and various cooldowns like on the DK please? The runes addon is also nice how is it called ? Thanks :) Going DK for SL. Was a tough call between BM Hunter and Unholy DK but if things stay the same, I'll most likely go DK.

[@MelvinDorkus]

"the one class we missed, mage" DH: am i a joke to you?

[@tobagabonany]

23:58-24:07

[@MelvinDorkus]

@@tobagabonany oh whoops i blinked and missed it

[@UMCorian]

Random observation: I'm loving the Stellaris Music throughout this video. Someone on Preach's staff clearly plays!

[@itskaidude]

I lowkey thought I accidentally launched Stellaris in the background.

[@yeusev]

glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that lol

[@Bigmbrennan]

Sins of a solar empire music in the background? Or maybe stellaris?

[@violetbliss4399]

Warlock is just... it's effective, but it hasn't been fun for me for a long time. I really wish it was. :( Anyway, fun talk - my own it's between shaman and monk as always, with druid and hunter being the other tentatives.

[@byronnorris9000]

vanilla/early to mid BC locks were the most fun i have ever had playing this game. Since I have bounced around classes.

[@910suck]

Byron Norris yeah spamming shadow bolt. So fun

[@Skrumple]

? Not everyone played sac locks back then. Plenty of people, including myself, created their own builds and played for fun.

[@910suck]

Alejandro Lopez as if u could get very creative but sure

[@LeSkrumpcious]

@@910suck you could if you didn't just copy and paste the fotm build

[@ClamidiaaVD]

Will there be an updated covenant video? Going through the classes/specs with all the covenant abilities that have be modified or changed.

[@SimplyConeh]

If I get to tank, it's Paladin, DK, Monk or Warrior, depending on which is strongest. If I have to dps, it's gonna be Paladin, DK, Monk or Warrior, depending on which is strongest. Oh I have it so hard :)

[@tichey3405]

Does this video have the music from stellaris playing in the background?

[@cinibas]

"Warlock brings everything the priest does but more and better" while I didn't much play bfa, save for the very start of Legion and the very end of cata this has been the way its always been.

[@Outwardpd]

I think once you have 2 warlocks anymore than that comes down to class balance, you'll practically never be in a situation where more than 2 gates is important. Plus I think shadow excels at spread cleave way more than affi does now that malefic rapture exists.

[@GutsmanLoL]

“It has always been that way” - there you go.

[@karlwilhelm5680]

What were the Warrior changes that you think make it boring now? I haven't been following beta much, but it looked so fun at the start.

[@Twitch_Moderator]

I get a kick out of people who say they have 20 mains. They don't understand what an alt is. Lmao!!

[@bback74]

What about people that only have alts - like myself? :)

[@Kikkia2018]

I have a lot of geared toons atm and I don’t really have a main. I play a little bit of everything except tanks. Every healer and about half of the dps specs are geared (including the healers off-specs). I have an addiction.

[@AKARazorback]

Will you make, or do you plan on making tanking pros and cons between different tanks again as you do most expansions? :D

[@ChichiNaka]

Hate that a percentage of the player base gets to play around and decide what they want to play for six months

[@Bahumet22]

Ikr and the rest of us gotta make a decision on the spot and hope we dont regret it

[@Preachgaming]

I actually fully agree. Do note though. These classes are on the PTR right now and accessible for free. While you are missing the cov spells, definately a bummer.The soulbinds, conduits and legos don't make a class defining change to gameplay in nearly all cases.

[@marcfleuren7691]

Doesn't have leggos and covenants but can play all classes on ptr to get some idea. Hope that helps :)

[@ChichiNaka]

@@Bahumet22 They had an almost open beta for MoP and it was fine, opening the beta up now even just a test realm for those people who want to try out these abilities early on and plan accordingly, I'm sure the first few days would be flooded like any open PTR but those people really dont stick around and then you're just left with curious players hopping on, testing a class/spec for an hour and leaving

[@Bahumet22]

Preach Gaming mr.preach please make some more vids for us peeps who cant really try them out. Im more of a pvp guy but i want a pve alt, i loved my pve alt in bfa was a dh, so easy and good for mythics and could tank too if needed.

[@stuart7597]

Necrolord for Ret? Unless I'm mistaken isn't that the 1 holy power hammer that does almost the same damage as judgment and gives you a free divine storm on the next TV. Is that for stacking Crusade faster or what.

[@Nightstalker314]

It's simple: There is no *new* main. Warrior (90% arms) since Vanilla day1.

[@marcosaraujo4884]

Same

[@snigeling]

Mained warrior since wrath when i first got to max level, sadly i can´t stand what they have become in bfa, not looking better in SL. Real shame. Looking for a new class atm. Nice that atleast someone likes warriors.

[@Nightstalker314]

@@snigeling with SL you move away from the deadlock Azerite Traits and Essences. Currently it looks like a lot more variety is possible. And Arms is getting back to regular big chunks of damage instead of Deep Wounds and other procs.

[@marcosaraujo4884]

Its not the best state of arms but its my favourite still wich rend was on baseline and some other changes but whatever for me

[@spinkles8660]

Anyone knows what addons Finmonk uses at 5:00 for rotation/resources (looks like weakauras?) and where I can download them?

[@ShaderQ]

That Stellaris background music - Noice!

[@LyubenV]

I'm personally set on Druid but not on spec. I've been Guardian for most of my time playing WoW, so I figure that's my least likely choice. I have most exp on it so could always fall back on it. Feral seems fun so could be worth it. Their lack of utility is concerning though. Balance seems like a safe bet since they're kinda always viable. Not super sold on the new eclipse system though. Resto I have least exp with though have done some PvP with it, looks quite interesting and fun. Currently my most likely go to. My biggest hangup is that I've never mained a healer before and it seems very daunting. Plus the 4 covenants seem hard to pick from, I like all except Venthyr which is a flat boring 3m cd, the others are short CD or very versatile.

[@maxw565]

feral utility cri

[@cryptiklemur9952]

"same frost its been since wrath of the lich king" Except, Frost was tank in Wrath of the Lich King....

[@aoaoaoaoaoaoaoa5701]

All dk specs could tank and dps in WOTLK, frost dps was very strong and very popular especially in ulduar

[@cryptiklemur9952]

@@aoaoaoaoaoaoaoa5701 No one DPSed in frost, you DPSed in unholy or blood, they were *significantly* better.

[@MrDehBoss]

@@cryptiklemur9952 as someone who frequents wotlk private servers during expansion downtimes, frost dps is very good in wotlk. Though due to shadowmourne unholy is king, and rarely see blood dps unless you are armor pen capped. Min max dk tanks are actually half blood /half frost with 2H.

[@cryptiklemur9952]

@@MrDehBoss During retail, if you weren't unholy, you weren't in a group as DPS lol. You do you though!

[@Sixer535]

Hey Preach! Are you planning on doing a UI Setup video again by chance? Really liked the last time you did that a couple Xpacs ago and it really made the layout soooo butter smooth!

[@erikloma9317]

Imagine playing an unholy dk to end up playing night fae, I really hope they change the covenants man

[@EnryEsho]

I feel like that's going to be me haha

[@demineon4966]

It's honestly all Dk's sadly its the best for blood by a lot until there's a nerf.

[@CaptainIcebeard]

I'm glad that ret paladin is included. I'm never ever going to stop playing ret paladin, so I just watch these videos mostly because I have nothing going on at the moment, but it's nice to hear that it's in a good spot.

[@Crazyfixer]

Quit wow 14 months+ month ago: Im Never going back! Watches shadowlands trailer and see arthas: i will return as a priest New account or Old Account: i do really like challenges...hmmmmm

[@EpicLoot]

I want to go back to my old main as a Shadow but since I rolled lock it's feels wrong to give up the stones, rez, the gate, summoning, ect..

[@blackblade99009]

"still the same frost since wotlk" no, no it is not, frost back then was the tank spec until being changed half way through. then that change resulted in a lot of cool mechanics being stripped away like being able to multi dot (multiple plagues), having a single target and aoe disease spreader over the next 3 expacs.

[@pccloud9657]

I am kinda torn between Ret and Rogue. Pali is quite fun, but it is essentially useless in pvp, which I do occasionally. I also don't like how 4-5 of our abilities are just combo point builders that do 0 damage and everything is in Storm or Wrath. Rogue has been my main class for years now, and I am finally fine with outlaw, but it hasn't completely locked me down yet. Sub is gonna be fun and probably good again, but that's still not entirely sure. I mean, probably gonna level both first week, question is which one first. (Probably Rogue though, gonna be more usefull for early dungeon gearing.

[@randybobandy4716]

Maining 4 Paladins one for each covenant

[@pinkmaple6349]

Don't, you will hate it

[@Kim-tr5op]

for people that casually wanna play WW, heres a tip. before Storm, Earth n Fire runs out, use Whirling Dragon Punch. It will deal crazy amount of dmg. it has been a bug for so long its a feature

[@celia2405]

WW Monk is my main - that is super dope. Also with Dance of Chi Ji becoming a talent - it's best to use the proc when Storm Earth and Fire is active if you can - like if it's on CD for awhile, meh. Dumb damage dude.

[@Kim-tr5op]

@@celia2405 yea that is true