Precision to Predators: Adapting a PRS Rifle and Custom Loads for Coyote Hunting

[@longrangeprecisionshooters8935]

Anyone who’s even so much as tried to edit a video on their phone has a glimpse of how much effort this video took. If you actually edit video, you know this was an insane task! Well done guys exceptional Video …appreciate the incredible content as always.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Appreciate you watching and commenting! Hope it helped

[@HendoSam]

That 300yd coyote shot is MONEY every time I see it. Solid video dude. Giving me some solid ideas for a varmint load for my AI.

[@FullCircleReloading]

I may take a normal 109 Match load out and give it a whirl too this year. I know you got those ATips though and coyotes arent huge.

[@annahonorata990]

Very good informative video. For a dasher (I shoot dasher myself) the groups are dissapointing. I think you have a constant problem whith double grouping. Could be wind doping, trigger pressure, parallax, bag technique, flinch, cheek weld, scope mount. Secondly, I would recommend a proper load development meaning finding the right powder charge in smaller increments. then seating depth. Try the Berger guidelines for finding seating depth with VLDs.

[@warrenhumphrey3956]

Thank you for taking the extreme amount of time it takes to make this video and for all the info🤙

[@FullCircleReloading]

No problem 👍

[@jaythe306snowmexican]

I have never had any luck with hornady out of my 6mm Creedmoor, they fly apart about 10 meters out of the muzzle with 1.7 twist 28" barrel. I have had great results with berger and nosler . Great video.

[@FullCircleReloading]

OH YEAH, they are WELL known to do that. The very heavy for caliber ones, atleast in 6, 6.5, 7mm from what I've seen.

[@Ilooknothinglikemyfather]

Fantastic job on the video. Informative, entertaining, and impressive to watch.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed and got something out of it!

[@AboveMediocrity2010]

Load development can get you scratching your head. It looks like you have head room on the powder charge, but this looks like a “no free lunch” situation. Thank you for talking through the decision-making process.

[@AboveMediocrity2010]

The 87 grain VLD with a sprinkle more powder looks like the conclusion you’re coming to. … or different, faster powder.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Yeah it definitely can sometimes!

[@TimSteitz]

Great video Greg, tons of information. Also sounds like it was a good cardio workout running 200 yards all day long 😂

[@FullCircleReloading]

Lol was definitely the days workout

[@fattigla]

Thanks! Great video!

[@FullCircleReloading]

Appreciate you watching!

[@BuckRaeder]

Quite literally my favorite KZbin channel right now. This video scratched an itch. I’m very green to PRS style shooting and reloading. After finding which bullet/powder weight works best would you then create another batch of 5 with differing OAL?

[@FullCircleReloading]

I appreciate that! I wish we could pump more out, often, but man do they take way more time than we were expecting! Some people will, I personally wont because I jump them so much generally that going a little or closer to the lands from where I'm starting isnt going to make any significant difference

[@reloadingfun]

I've done a lot of load development over the last 20 years for prairie dog guns, f-class guns, fun range guns, and hunting rifles, and yes, I've seen what one could correlate effect of different powders and bullets to, but I've never gone back and tested it. ive also seen where it obviously didnt effect it. so i can't say with any certainty. dont forget to consider how many other people have actually tested it. i would guess no one else has either. there could be times when people have shot a known good load after using a different powder and/or bullet and gotten "bad" groups with the first group. the different powder or bullet is the easy thing to blame it on, instead of it just being natural dispersion. long story short, im skeptical that it is really a thing. if it is, to what degree is it a thing. in your situation here, I wouldn't blame your overall results on it being a different bullet. also, over the last 20 years, ive only ever heard this conversation over going back and fourth between ball powders and extruded powders.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Yeah not discounting anything and ultimately its just a coyote killing load so anything under an inch is good enough for me to consider! I did find it very interesting with the way out of group flyer on the group with the leftover match ammo where 4 shots stacked after that, replicating what the rest of them did when switching bullets.

[@reloadingfun]

@FullCircleReloading yeah, I thought about that too when you shot the match ammo. I'd really like to know what the cause was. the other thing i wondered about is, was that shot a result of your barrel being worn out or the different bullets being shot before. you said retired it from competition use. this is one of the situations i was talking about before where there are a few variables to consider with this barrel, but the easy thing to do is go along with what everyone else has concluded. you barrel wear and how many rounds since it was cleaned to bare metal last is two big ones. I've seen "shot out" barrels shoot good for 20, 50, maybe 100 rounds after cleaning before they shoot bad again. in this situation, more testing is really needed to say what the cause was.

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@reloadingfun the barrel is really fine. And I know how that load actually shoots out of it which is why I really wanted that "control" group after shooting so many "bad" groups with the varmint bullets. These Hawk Hill barrels all take the exact same load, seating depth, and shoot the same velocity and group size when I get them cut by Hunts Long Range. So that flier is DEFINITELY an out of the norm thing I never see from these. Probably only has 1800-1900rds on it. I just retire them for comp use at 2k now. I've had one die on me I was trying to stretch life on at a match 4 hours from home. I try to get two new ones broken in over the winter and ready to go before the next season starts so I dont have to scramble to do all that during match season on top of everything else.

[@mikesheriff1459]

Good work! Any chance for a bore scope video and maybe round count. Also appreciate the second round of loads to tinker and verify your results. Since Hornady has started the “your groups are too small” what’s your best 20 round group?

[@FullCircleReloading]

I dont ever shoot 20 shot groups into one. I shoot 5-10rds before each match and if you compile those over a season I plot at good sample size. Biggest I ever do is a 12 shot and its done from 4 positions shown here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3qrgomjd9OIoa8si=QP9r7Q_4kUJbf3V5

[@Shoot_More]

This comes at a great time. Looking to get started in reloading for a centerfire rig and this really helped give me a rundown of the process. Thanks for the video!

[@FullCircleReloading]

Glad we could help!

[@46caliber]

I see why you were asking about 1st shift shift after bullet change. I think that's exactly the culprit of that first shot when you switched from Match loads to the 87 VLDs. What can was on the gun at the beginning before you put TBAC on?

[@FullCircleReloading]

It was a buddies Dead Air Lazarus. I was worried about ruining my magnus and he said "here, use this one"

[@sethperry1323]

62gr barnes varmit grenades there wild... iv been running the 55gr noslers

[@FullCircleReloading]

My only concern with those is the bullet RPM. These are 330-350k range

[@64ig6kg0]

Great video production.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you, I appreciate that!

[@randalljeffs7272]

Great vid

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you!

[@wvlongshooter3912]

What’s the highest magnification but still have decent clarity are you using through your day optic when running your Iray ? Thanks!!!

[@FullCircleReloading]

10-12x seems fine. I'm going to do a long one with the thermal here soon but wanted more coyote footage through the triggercam. If you go on my IG (@gconnoyer) I actually have a 15min reel just aiming around and going through 3-15x mag and showing stuff out to about 900.

[@wvlongshooter3912]

@ awesome, thanks!!!!!

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@wvlongshooter3912 anytime! Let us know if you need one!

[@Lucysdad66]

Another thing for note if you switch from solid copper to leadcore, you have to clean your gun. It will affect your Accuracy

[@4thforcon426]

Awesome looking rig you got there. But unrelated question though. What kind of pad are you using on your cheek rest, and what grip are you using? Great video on how to give PRS set ups a new life and different purpose.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Its a Weibad Cheekpad. You order them specific for whatever stock you have and it velcros on around your cheekpiece. Run them on everything I can. The grip is just an Ergo Deluxe Grip. The AI ATX's come with them but they are my preferred AR style grip. Thats what I have on my MK12 and KAC as well

[@calebw7177]

Try the Nosler Varmageddon 70gr bullets they have a g1 of .3 and they are flat base. You will also get more velocity out of a flat base bullet because it’s more surface area for the powder to push against. Plus they absolutely grenade on yotes, my favorite bullet to use. They are not pelt friendly though if you are looking to keep them.

[@calebw7177]

Also they always shoot fantastic for me.

[@FullCircleReloading]

I'll have to check them out. Dont care at all about fur, but the Blitzkings also did REALLY well with that.

[@ericmccowen5599]

Nice video bud! Lots of good info. Thanks for taking the time to do it.

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@ericmccowen5599 Thank you! TONS of time in this one for sure lol

[@Bf1942cod]

What contour are your barrels on the at-x? What’s the thickest you can go?

[@FullCircleReloading]

They are all Heavy Varmint, M24, MTU, or the newest ones from CRB are their "Competition Contour" which is 1.250 and finished at 1.050 at the muzzle at 26" Without the front bridge you could easily run a 1.250 straight, but I feel like you do need a LITTLE taper to have a comfortable amount of room.

[@Jtmorrison2000]

Been doing the same thing but with 6 creed. Using 80gr TTSX for deer and coyotes. I swap barrels every year at the end of PRS season and then use my deer and coyote rounds as a break in for the new barrel. Been using the same load for years, usually half moa or less depending on the barrel. Running 3450-3550 and could go hotter but I don’t really see why. Slap the action in a carbon stock instead of the heavy chassis and it’s pretty manageable for a deer and thermal setup

[@FullCircleReloading]

Sounds like a killer setup!! Do you find the TTSXs to be too tough for coyotes at that speed? I'm not against a solid, but really dont have the experience on super light targets at high velocity like coyotes.

[@thebogwalker]

Oh baby I love this

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thanks for watching!

[@brandonchance9941]

Yeah the bullet data is interesting and cool, but that rifle setup is sexy AF

[@FullCircleReloading]

Hahah thank you! Have you seen the full build/layout vid?

[@tonyg9722]

Great video, load development is always something you wonder if you are crazy or stupid while doing it. So I’m glad to see I’m not the only one that goes “wtf” while developing.

[@FullCircleReloading]

I appreciate it! Sometimes it really is like that. I try to take 5 round groups with a grain of salt and admit the potential for me ruining the results lol

[@Bf1942cod]

I notice out of a mag, you may have 1 round get hung up a little. Does this happen with your competition bullets since they are a little longer?

[@FullCircleReloading]

The longer bullets feeds flawlessly. These little guys are finicky from AW mags and long tenons.

[@brandonsauer7483]

What thermal do you have mounted?

[@FullCircleReloading]

Its an IRAY MATE MAH50

[@American_hobo]

Awesome video. Appreciate the footwork on load development. What thermal are you using on your rig?

[@FullCircleReloading]

Its an IRAY MATE MAH50. I'm working on a Clip On Thermal vid now, but really want to get some more hunting footage for it through the scope camera instead of just the onboard recording.

[@American_hobo]

⁠@@FullCircleReloadingdope, Ive still got my at-xc on order. Im sure AI will send it…when they want.

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@American_hobo haha for sure once they fill lord knows how many backorders!

[@jump7057]

87gr V-Max? Would also be interested whether borescoping shows increased copper fouling caused by jacket stripping at the grillion RPM those things are running at in a 7.5" and 3300MV+

[@FullCircleReloading]

After these tests and hunting, I never really noticed an increase in how much copper I get out when cleaning. They are CERTAINLY pulling some RPM though.

[@tylermartin9385]

I swear Berger Bullets pays this guy to say Hornady bullets blow up!

[@FullCircleReloading]

You can watch on the youtubes!

[@JustinRJager]

How do the ballistic numbers of these varmint bullets compare to your PRS load? I bet they aren't much different. Why not shoot the competition load?

[@FullCircleReloading]

Its not TOO far off with a 100y zero (enough to not be able to hold on fur to 400 though), but when I zero with a MPBR zero thats where it makes a huge difference.

[@JustinRJager]

@FullCircleReloading so why not zero at 200 and carry on? Wouldn't it make most sense and be great practice/confidence for PRS?

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@JustinRJager It really only allows for about 250y dead hold on that 4" Vital. Plus, half the fun of reloading is being able to tinker in the winter when you're bored.

[@JustinRJager]

@@FullCircleReloading agreed tinkering is fun. Was just questioning the thought process. Good video and great channel. Keep up the good content.

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@JustinRJager Appreciate you watching and commenting!

[@chrisdavis4500]

I’m disappointed in the lack of fudd comments here so far.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Check out some of our other videos. No shortage of them there lol.

[@DLT704]

None looked too hot for the accuracy column

[@FullCircleReloading]

Less than stellar for sure! I'm sure the RPM also has something to do with it, but we'll see with a bit more testing on the 87s

[@Lucysdad66]

The really pisses me off when I forget to reset the conograph

[@FullCircleReloading]

haha hate it. And there's no way to "split" it after

[@MrBoostin18]

The eldvt is a secant ogive and very jump sensitive

[@FullCircleReloading]

Unfortunately all I can really do with them in this freebore is go farther.

[@Ohmslaw1]

Even if you clean between different bullets/charge weights you will still need to fire a few spoilers to prefoul the barrel as you will definitely be taking follow up shots. Heavy for weight/higher BC mostly works. Reduce the exceptions and you will have a greater success. Happy hunting.

[@jamesdowns425]

100gr hornady ELDVT 43.2 VARGET CCI 450 SRP 6.5 CM lapua brass 20 inch AR10 it’s 3250 FPS

[@FullCircleReloading]

The Hornady VMatch out of my 16" 6.5 Creed shoots 2950-3000. Its pretty impressive!

[@MrBoostin18]

I think your getting baffle strikes or something

[@FullCircleReloading]

No sir, endcap bore is perfect and still coated evenly with carbon.

[@JediOfAzkaban]

JBM only working on IOS apps? That's unfortunate.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Honestly not sure. I use it on my computer at home. I was just looking at a PDF of a google sheet that I made. There are TONS of great mobile ballistic apps

[@JediOfAzkaban]

@@FullCircleReloading on their website they specifically say they will not be making Android apps. I have a couple that work pretty good already but, a company refusing to develop an app for one of the 2 mobile platforms... yeah that seems like an odd decision.

[@Operatoroveralls]

You're pretty

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thanks ☺️

[@hpjperformance2304]

Worthless video. Why would anyone use a heavy rifle for hunting?

[@FullCircleReloading]

because we arent little fortnite noodle arm sissys

[@EtherFox]

You said you tried the ELDVTs and didn't get good results - what did you get?

[@FullCircleReloading]

3-4" Groups. It was so unpredictable I didnt even bother measuring. Looked like a Buckshot pattern lol

[@neildomo-san3332]

3670?! 🤌 dats a spicy meatball

[@FullCircleReloading]

Worked awesome!