Preprogrammed to Believe Lies? | Leighton Flowers | John MacArthur | Calvinism

Leighton Flowers responds to a John MacArthur sermon in which MacArthur presents the human condition condition as being innately unable to believe truth from birth.
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[@lindsaysimplified]

I couldn’t figure out why I was so unhappy listening to MacArthur, Sproul, and the rest. Then a parent attempted suicide and I had to come face to face with whether my parent was elect, which then led me to figure out if God determined for this to happen, then our history of abuse in the name of “biblical childrearing” led me down the rabbit hole of how Calvinists view children, to which I was horrified at the consensus that we (Calvinists) are suppose to accept that our children are “reprobate depraved rats who would murder us in our sleep if they could” (a combination of MacArthur, Sproul, Voddie, and Paul Washer quotes). I was a prideful Calvinist until I had to put my money where my mouth was and until the rubber met the road. 2023 was rough, but it led me straight out of Calvinism. Praise the Lord.

[@JamesLee-pb6dl]

Amen 🙏

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

Praise God you found your way out of the 'fog' of Calvinism with your faith in Christ intact. Many don't. THAT is why channels like these are so very important. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR TESTIMONY.. .IT MATTTERS A LOT.

[@WayneSmith-zx3tf]

I've edited this post as I've been challenged and found to be errant in my assertions. More to come.

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

@@WayneSmith-zx3tf Interesting, it sounds like you suggested Lindsay isn't a 'true' believer.

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

@@WayneSmith-zx3tf Well, I just read what you said. "True believers understand this". I took it to mean that if Lindsay, or anyone else, doesn't agree or understand it as you do, they're not a 'true' believer. So, it sounds like you are willing to make a judgment about that. Do you affirm that man cannot believe unless God has determined and effectually causes them to believe? I.e., that whatever you believe about God is only by his sovereign decree?

[@donalddandrea9893]

Can't get enough of this. Thank you, Dr. Flowers again & again for pointing Jesus' promise - "You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Jn 8:32).

[@524kirkd]

I always thought John MacArthur’s radio program, “Grace to You” would be better titled, “Grace to You; but NOT to You!” 🤣

[@DamonNomad82]

My name for it is "Grace to Me but not to Thee, I won the John Calvin Lottery!"

[@blackwater642]

Grace to some of you

[@shawnmason8543]

I know no one wants to say it, but Calvinism is very dangerous

[@riaanolwage2931]

I WANT TO SHOUT IT OUT. CALVINISTS ARE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE TEACHERS AND NEED TO REPENT....OH BUT THEY CANT....BECAUSE CALVINISTS ARE PREPRIGRAMMED BY SATAN!!!

[@renzrose9050]

It is more than that, I believe. Calvinism is wicked and blasphemous, a fastpass to hell. In my missionary work, I have heard atheist use the same responses that calvinists use to make their points. If your theology lines up with unbelievers, your theology is wrong.

[@graftme3168]

I say it all the time. In fact, I say it is a doctrine of demons, a false gospel, has a Pharisaical spirit, and a religion of elite narcissists.

[@DamonNomad82]

Sadly, if one looks into the claims of Calvinism carefully, the unavoidable conclusion is that Calvinism is much closer to being Luciferian than it is to being Christian. The "god" of Calvinism is essentially what the devil would be if he somehow acquired God's name and power while remaining as he is morally.

[@ironleatherwood]

I say it all the time. Calvinisim changes salvation in many ways. Even our president knows that. Lol Seriously though, Calvinisim is a lie.

[@davidgrant2008]

I thank God that i was never exposed to the lies of calvinism as a babe in Christ. I didn't get saved in a church i gat saved by reading the Bible and believing it.

[@Vae07]

Then why does the doctrine of calvinism even matter if you were saved by faith through Christ and repentance?🙄

[@ronniequalls7522]

You have no idea what Calvinism is and you will never know listening to Flowers 😎

[@cooperchoo9898]

Same here. I distinctly remember that I realized I had to weigh up the cost and make a decision. Thought it through for a minute or so and Chose rightly.

[@kevinkleinhenz6511]

@@ronniequalls7522 Ya no one who rejects Calvinism could possibly know what it is. 😂

[@airborne10x]

I agree, I was never exposed to Calvinism when I first became a Christian. Looking at their views it just makes me wonder how they can think that way.

[@jass0033]

One of my favorite arguments with Calvinists has always been this. “I can’t help you. God has obviously blinded your heart to believe the unbiblical lie of Calvinism. You’re simply a vessel of wrath”.

[@WilliamNoelle]

Brilliant

[@Vae07]

Stupid argument What’s that got to do with repentance and faith in Christ?🤦🏻‍♂️

[@sheilasmith7779]

jass0033: Wrong approach and UNTRUE. YOU have zero knowledge of anyone's final destination. And your narrative is completely ineffective. Threats and attacks, never persuade anyone. How we present truth, is of more value than the truth itself. If our approach is ineffective, the truth will have ZERO positive impact. And isn't that our goal? I will speak to the error of the Mormon, J.W., and Catholic beliefs...and others....but never attack their intelligence or intentions... .and never claim he'll as their final destination. Christians should stop being tyrants, bullies and crazy zealots with others that claim to be, "Christians."

[@opindras.bangerh129]

Thank you Leighton for exposing this man's calvinism and errors. MacArthur is reading the Bible with his calvinistic lenses and through TULIP - I feel for his congregation who he is leading astray.

[@emilclark645]

If you go to a church that believes that, get out fast!!!

[@jimt3409]

Thank you my brother i always appreciate your sharing the truth. ❤

[@buildtolove]

i was a calvinist of 10+ years... I got out of it by Dr Heiser, now I am enjoying debunking it

[@dw6528]

DW: The Lord delivered you from the mental ensnarement of Calvinism! Jesus is wonderful!!!

[@dissidentleathermonster]

I am starting to think that Calvinists worship a different god than I do.

[@daddylee4216]

Narcissus

[@sdgarrison]

I noticed MacArthur skipped over verse 46...perhaps unintentionally. But in that verse Jesus questions their unbelief...as though there was some reason OTHER than God's eternal, unchangeable decree for all people to be born unable to believe ;)

[@primeobjective5469]

5:16 -- "They are pre-programmed to believe lies." They're pre-programmed - or as the scriptures state- "knit together" in their mothers womb. Now insert Calvinism: Knit together dead & totally depraved, and pre-programmed to sin & die in disbelief, "for the good pleasure of God's will to glorify Himself."

[@JohnK557]

You are not allowed to talk about the logical implications of their system. You must affirm their contradictions as truth. Once you trade the truth in for lies you will understand………

[@BPond7]

Let me refer to the playbook. “You just don’t understand Calvinism.”™️

[@daddylee4216]

Mystery smh

[@throughthegrace7893]

I'm so glad you made this video! This is awesome.

[@lauren8407]

My new favorite verse for this topic: ”Behold, I have found only this, that God made men upright, but they have sought out many devices.”“ ‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭7‬:‭29‬ ‭

[@LemonLimeJuiceBarrell]

Thank you so much for this response. Fortunately my only exposure to Calvinism has been the internet and their doctrine immediately sounded so contrary to what the Bible tells us about God’s nature. Calvinism turns God into a monster and I think that if you take this theology to its ultimate conclusion, it completely takes away the need for Jesus’s sacrifice. I hope your channel continues to grow so more people can start to work this stuff out. God Bless 🙏

[@InHIM564]

Thank you for bringing clarity to soteriology. So thankful for your ministry. I was set free from the doctrine of Calvinism and I praise God!!! The clarity and peace I have received from rightly understanding God’s Word regarding salvation are the greatest gifts. I started with the ministry of Dr Andy Woods, the pastor at Sugar Land Bible Church in Texas. Then I found you. Mike Winger, the Bible Thinker is super helpful too. God bless you all.

[@IdolKiller]

How did I miss this live? Watching now

[@brandonvonbo9708]

Only 9 min lol

[@truthseeker5698]

The continued exposure of the cult of calvin and ridiculously reformed has been an ever growing fount of blessing to my heart mind body and soul. Thank you for this continued work, Jesus The Messiahs will pronounced ever more clearly.

[@sheilasmith7779]

truthseeker5698: STOP with the "cult," claim. There is no unified agreement on what a cult is, and a dictionary definition, would actually include all religions as "cults." But more important than the truth of what constitutes a "cult," is how this label (actually indirect attack) affects the calvinist believer. As Christians, our goal should be to deliver truth in a manner that will persuade the listener. While your label could be technically true, it will never persuade the calvinist to consider your point of view, because you have insulted him/her. Words matter. Choose wisely.

[@truthseeker5698]

@@sheilasmith7779 The knowingly/ aware subscriber to calvinist /reformed .theology is definitely in a cult. One body many parts Sheila regarding how to confront /take action. Your continued enabling of the reformed calvinist position simply prolongs the cult attachment The calvinist / reformer seeks those like yourself and many others who will assuage their deep seated adherence to “ the disgusting s of dis-grace. How is it you think your not using “ cult” is better.? STOP?” really Sheila? How about developing and demonstrating love/empathy for those harmed / being harmed by reformed calvinist? Your choice and stewardship . I will continue direct confrontation / flipping tables with calvinist / reformers. I recall your “as christian’s” application regarding Paul Washer and Susan Heck. May you consider the harm and burden that knowingly subscribed calvinists/ reformers propagate.

[@sheilasmith7779]

@truthseeker5698 #1. I never insult the believer. I always address error and lies....but I must have evidence that the teller is lying, and not simply mistaken. I wiil respond accordingly Decretion matters. If that can not be determined, I respond to the comment, as an error. AGAIN, details matter. You are free, as we all are, to behave in the manner you choose, but just because you can act in an inapproriate, offensive and ineffective way, doesn't mean that you should. As to your justification "flipping tables with calvinist/reformers." over." again you are mistaken. 1. These Jews in the temple were not serious about the law, and 2. were not men Jesus was attempting to reform. Which is why Jesus spoke in a completely different manner to the woman at the well. She was a person whose heart and actions could be changed. How is your manner of response to a Calvanist, and/or followers demonstrating love or empathy? So, from your perspective, my lack of insults, or attacks on calvinist teachers or followers, demonstrates my lack of love and empathy? The tenor of your comments clearly indicate that if you believe something is true, you can justify a strike with a sledge hammer. And you will convert no one using the approach of insult. Maybe consider a course on human psyche, and the role of pride. Why did Jesus not call the woman a whole, condem her to hell....all true of course, yet that was not the manner inwhich He delivered the truth to her. Why? Because that manner would not have drawn her closer. Decernment is essential. Know when and how to respond. You sir, are going to be in for a shock on judgement day. Not that you will be condemed, but definitely chastised for your behavior, not for your "truth."

[@sheilasmith7779]

Whore not whole. Hate auto spell check.

[@truthseeker5698]

@@sheilasmith7779 Please step into reality. Your judgmental candor makes Paul Washer more proud. Life is not academia and taking courses. I’m well aware of 1st century context and table flipping. Those selling were ripping off those coming to the temple. Many similarities pts rices around the world today. Notice the qualifier Shelia, ….Knowingly reformed calvinist…. Develop your EQ Shelia .Consider ramifications of where conclusions lead. Read up on trauma of those who experienced calvinism reformed churches. Your continued enabling of calvinists reformers is evident. Were you and Susan Heck college small group friends, classmates, or other? I’ve known Jesus and He has known me for decades now. Your unawareness of intent of my previous use of Jesus The Messiah and calvinism reformed theology are nothing like Him in application speaks to your greatly limited scope of real life application of reforms calvinism. Jesus whipping and tipping tables was partly in response to religious system persons actively and knowingly hurting hindering and burdening people coming to the temple. Use a little EQ in application Shelia , and the clarity you’ll experience will reveal the reasoning in my choice of words actions. Jesus The Messiah and His desire love ,hope ,for all is clear simple childlike. Easy light yoke and burden. Calvinism Reformed theology are an antithesis to His message, while attempting to appear orthodox. Those who knowingly propagate this deceptive stifling counterfeit message using His name are to be addressed and confronted in succinct direct actions. Storge, greek for protective love. . .

[@peteslager]

What I don't understand about Calvinism is why do they preach Calvinism with such fervor and self righteousness, what's in this for them. Why are they so certain that many are bound for hell and can't do a thing about it because we are not able to choose Christ. Aren't they (Calvinists) supposed to reflect God's love for everyone. I just can't fathom what their motive is

[@graftme3168]

I feel the same way. Why would anyone believe such nonsense? The way they describe God's character is how the Bible describes Satan!

[@JohnK557]

Many of them admit that they don’t believe God loves everyone.

[@dw6528]

DW: There is a phenomenon which Dr. Gordon Fee used to mention in his seminary lectures. A certain Christian has a very strong urgency to make a name for himself - or to see himself as somehow superior. The strategy for accomplishing that - is to *ADD* something unique that glitters and sets him apart as special and superior. When we read about the history of John Calvin and his personality - we read that he was extremely competitive and aggressive as a young man. In those days - there were certain men who had become shinning stars within the Reformation. Martin Luther became a shining star - and the new translation of the Greek New Testament by Erasmus made him a shinning star. It is believed that Calvin as a young man have an intense drive to make such a name for himself. But he would have to produce something special in order for that to happen. If you read Calvinist literature about Calvin -you will find they put him on a grand pedestal and treat him as a super apostle. There is a kind of vicarious boasting and hero worship at work there. Calvinist ministers cannot brag and boast about themselves in order to create heroes of themselves - because that would be clearly recognized as carnal. But they can brag and boast about Calvin and others whom they put on a pedestal of hero worship. By boasting and bragging about Calvin they position themselves in a superior guild vicariously I think that is a huge part of what lures - especially young men - into Calvinism.

[@captjon1959]

To a Calvinists there is no motive they are just reading the script God wrote for them. In the real world of free choice, I think they honor their systematic over the gospel and love defending their worldview against all challengers. It reminds me of a debater defending a bad position because that is their assignment.

[@graftme3168]

They don't need a motive. Satan is their father so they can't help it. They do what their father does, as Jesus said about the Pharisees who believed they were the elect and everyone else was already damned. Satan blinded them to the truth. Jesus also said that they seek to convert people so they can count them in their numbers but they don't really care about them. He also said when they convert someone they make demands on them that even they can't keep and won't even lift a finger to help. They are finger shakers instead of finger lifters. Jesus also said that when they convert someone to their teachings they make them twice the sons of hell as themselves. Notice that new believers in Calvinism seem to be even more radical than their leaders! Calvinists are sneaking into churches all over the place in order to manipulate the people toward Calvinism. If they have to sneak in and use manipulating tactics it is definitely not of God. If they are not open and honest about who they are, they are of the devil who manipulates people by deception. This is how the apostle Paul says we can know them! They are sneaking into the churches in disguise! Calvinists are modern day Pharisees. Make no mistake about it! The ways of God are plain and simple and easy to understand. Calvinism is chaos and confusion and double talk. They are too deluded to acknowledge their contradictory ways. Instead of acknowledging their double mindedness they call it "God." They seem to take pride in the fact that they don't know what they are talking about and call it God's sovereignty. It is definitely Satanic. The way they operate is in the character of Satan, not God. The same blasphemy that Jesus warned the Pharisees about when they called Him a devil. Calvinists call the devil "God." Study the character of the Pharisees and see if what I am saying is true.

[@janetdavis6473]

Calvinism and context never go together, never ever. The entire system is built on proof texts and inferences.

[@daddylee4216]

Don't forget mystery and 'his ways are greater than our ways' and my favorite 'I believe in the elect because I conveniently am one" 🤯

[@Yaas_ok123]

Blessings from Finland.

[@davidgrant2008]

Blessings from Oklahoma

[@pigsfood27]

Calvinism indirectly teaches that a Christian cannot know they are saved. They can have hope at best.

[@dw6528]

DW: Yes that is correct. But it is also critical to remember - in Calvinism an impulse cannot come to pass within a human brain - unless that impulse is decreed. So if the impulse of "hope" comes to pass within the Calvinist brain - it is because Calvin's god decreed it. But since he creates a large percentage of believers as CHAFF believers - deceiving them with a FALSE SENSE of salvation - then that hope that they have would be a FALSE hope which they are not permitted to discern as FALSE

[@lessofme53]

Wrong! Your knowledge of God's word needs improving!

[@dw6528]

@@lessofme53 DW: Your knowledge of Calvinism and what Calvinism's doctrine stipulates is apparently pretty dismal. :-] John Calvin explains -quote The creatures...are so governed by the secret counsel of god, that *NOTHING HAPPENS* but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed. (Institutes 1. 16. 3) Accordingly- an impulse cannot happen within the human brain - unless that impulse is knowingly and willingly decreed. So the only way an impulse of "Hope" can happen within a Calvinist's brain is if that impulse is decreed. And an infallible decree does not grant any ALTERNATIVE from what it decrees. Thus if a sinful evil impulse is decreed to infallibly come to pass within your brain - that impulse is (in Calvinist vernacular) RENDERED-CERTAIN Which means - no ALTERNATIVE impulse is granted existence. There now! You learned something about Calvinism today! :-]

[@pigsfood27]

@@lessofme53 Are you a Calvinist? If so, how do you know you are saved, one of the elect, if God decrees people to have a false sense of salvation and a false identity as a Christian? How do you know you're not one of them?

[@geoffreymilke5176]

When MacArthur claims Jesus said something he never said, isn't it blasphemy? If not, why not I have a hard time thinking Calvanists believe in the Jesus of the Bible.

[@riaanolwage2931]

Its not hard to belief that...the Bible warned us of this false teachers (calvinists)of the last days...

[@PonyboyCurtisV1]

💯

[@kiwisaram9373]

If you do not have the Spirit, what else do you have to rely on?

[@sheilasmith7779]

geoffreymilke5176: No it isn't blasphemy. And here's why. The calvinist does not preceive God in a bad way or negative way. Blasphemy is to be an ambassador of God, tepresenting s4lf as a Christian believer, but behaving in an immoral fashion. Violating God's commands, but claiming to be a reprentative of God or Jesus. Representing self to be a follower. On some level, intent also matters. The best example I can think of for blasphemy, would be the Christian missionary preaching the gospel, while abusing the village children.

[@KISStheSON...]

Hi brothers and sisters...Please don't forget to like and subscribe to help get the truth into the world 😍💌

[@JohnK557]

@h2s142The Word of God. Not Calvin or reformed theology…….

[@KISStheSON...]

@h2s142 The truth is that God gave us the ability to FREELY EAT. We can FEED the flesh the wisdom of the world to satisfy the lusts thereof or we can FEED our spirit the wisdom of God and be made wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

[@andys3035]

​@h2s142Jesus is the way, the truth and life ☦️

[@brucegolston6507]

The point about calvinists who become atheist can't be stressed enough.

[@dw6528]

DW: Yes! And I feel so sorry for children - like John Piper's sons - who sat in his church and heard him tell his congregation that he has no idea if Calvin's god created both of them for eternal torment in a lake of fire for his good pleasure. Can you imagine telling young children god probably created them for eternal torment?

[@timothykeith1367]

​@@dw6528Your view is peculiar

[@dw6528]

@@timothykeith1367 DW: My view??? You mean what Calvinism stipulates is peculiar?

[@andrettanylund830]

How does God get glorified by sending people to hell because he created them to go to hell. That is for God's good pleasure. I would have never become a Christian if iI went to McAurthur church . How many people has he made into atheist and sent to hell by his teaching. What do they do with all the rest of the scripture they ignore but just take a few verses to try to prove their point. how is making God unloving bringing glory to him.

[@Brian-kl1zu]

@@dw6528 "timothy" must be one of Piper & MacArthur's loyal followers. Nothing "peculiar" about your comment. It strikes at the frozen "heart" of Calvinism.

[@clintbeacock7663]

So hard to watch - I can't believe that Mr. MacArthur doesn't see the mistake he's making here. Side note: I REALLY love when you share your content in shorter videos like this. It's a lot easier to refer back to them and share them with others with the hopes they'll actually watch them.

[@riaanolwage2931]

He is not making a mistake....he is choosing to reject Christ by his own free will.

[@KISStheSON...]

PAINFUL to hear...it makes my ears bleed 😩

[@clintbeacock7663]

@h2s142 The mistake I was referring to isn't that MacArthur failed to see the words "free will" in that passage, it's that he applied a condemnation that was clearly aimed at a specific group of people in the account to the entirety of the human race. That application is simply not present in that passage. To use it as a launch-point into asserting the reformed doctrine of total inability is simply not going to be compelling at all to someone who's simply reading this passage at face value. There's no actual tie-in, despite how confidently Dr. MacArthur believes his theology to be correct.

[@KISStheSON...]

@h2s142 1 Timothy 3:15 “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to BEHAVE THYSELF in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”

[@AndrewJohnH]

​@h2s142 Where is Calvinism mentioned in the New Testament? If you're looking for the exact wording, you won't find either... although if you look in the Old Testament, you'll find many verses referencing freewill offerings... how fortunate that part of the Law has zero counterpart or relevance to our lives today under Christ, am I right? ;) Isn't it also fortunate that "I set before you life and death, now choose life" has zero meaning today since it was in the O.T. That "I take no pleasure in the death of anyone" has zero meaning today because it's in the O.T. Let's restrict it to the New Testament, to avoid those heavy hitters. OK, here goes: Romans 1:18-20 - wicked people are given the knowledge of God and suppress it. That's just one of many examples. So how would you get around Romans 2:11 - for God does not show favoritism?

[@BrianAz]

As for me, early in my Christian walk I bought the MacArthur study bible. That bible was suggested from my pastor at the time and before I even KNEW what Calvinism was. Today, I completely reject all forms of Calvinism, yet I am stuck with the MacArthur study bible packed full of Calvinist commentary. The good part is my wife and I can read and compare the Calvinist view of MacArthur's commentary and discuss why we disagree! So, its not all bad but it hurst a little because I started watching John MacArthur a long time ago and like most of what he preaches until his Calvinistic views creep out and my disappointment follows.

[@AnniEast]

It is still a bible, so skip the commentary part and just read the Scripture part, that is what I do with mine

[@IronSharpensIron127]

Now you have to learn how planned parenthood purposely brought in alternate versions of the Bible to deceive the masses. KJV is the Bible. God bless

[@docbrown6797]

I dabbled with reformed theology. What kept me from going the whole way was being able to believe that God causes people to sin. That is apostasy. God is good, God is love. He isn't some practical joker with an evil and ironic sense of humor.

[@greydogmusic]

I don’t know where you dabbled, reformed theology doesn’t say that God causes people to sin. Reform theology says that man is born a sinner and because of this he will sin. It says he is a slave to his sin, and doesn’t seek after God. That God seeks his people and enlightens them so they can turn from their sin and follow him. Any reformed theologian telling you that God causes man to sin needs to open his Bible, and do some more study.

[@docbrown6797]

In my view, if you believe people are born in ultimate depravity and have no choice to accept Christ and are predestined to Hell, they were made that way by the Creator and by default, God in a way, is causing them to continue to sin and not find Christ.@@greydogmusic

[@2wheelz3504]

You are right - sort of. God doesn't cause sin but he preordains all that happens. Since sin happens, God ordained it to happen. John Piper, R.C. Sproul, etc. So, he is not the tempter, but he is the reason there is sin. This makes no sense. God gave us intellect as an element of our soul. He does not ask us to place our brains on the shelf when we leave the house every day.@@greydogmusic

[@alanmunch5779]

Terminology has changed over time. Calvinists were just one group that came out of the Reformation. I think it’s still possible to be reformed, i.e. justification by faith, through grace, exalting Christ, authority of Scripture… without swallowing the errors and quirks of Augustine, Calvin and their followers. I said to a Calvinist friend (I’ve no doubt he’s a believer) that he’d been hoodwinked and was now following an -ism, and he tried to say Calvinism isn’t an -ism. I still chuckle about that, years later! I suspect that when we are in glory, most believers will never have heard of Calvin, being from countries like China, India, Iran, Nepal, Brazil, Argentina, etc.

[@docbrown6797]

I agree with all of your "ie" points. It's TULIP that is flawed. @@alanmunch5779

[@emf49]

I get the same cringe factor watching MacArthur as I do watching Justin Trudeau. Curious. 🤔

[@MrsKuhn.2]

Thank you so much for this insight.

[@Redkurtain]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: If Calvinism is true, then the entire bible is just God yelling at Himself.

[@raphaelfeneje486]

Exactly!! It is basically God blaming himself for everything

[@ramong26]

😂 so true! I’ve thought something similar, if Calvinism is true then the Bible is a joke.

[@TimWismer]

Your argument about God yelling at Himself is the exact argument Paul refutes in Romans 9:19-20. If God does not make sense to you (unsurprising since God is God and we are men), you need to reason from what God has said (e.g. Rom 3:5-7), not from your own perspective.

[@raphaelfeneje486]

@@TimWismer Is that what God said, or what you say?? Is that the interpretation or you're reading into the text?? Of Calvanism is true, then it is basically God creating evil and being satisfied with it, however God doesn't create evil. Evil isn't part of God

[@ramong26]

@@TimWismer you got it backwards, is not that God doesn’t make sense to us, you don’t make sense to us. If it’s true what you’re saying then God is yelling at Himself for making us do what He accuses us of. On one hand you Calvinists argue He makes us do whatever he wants and on the other you don’t like it when we say that’s exactly what He does. Make up your mind.

[@highwaymissions1]

Thank you so much sir ❤❤❤

[@kevinburtnick7818]

Romans 1:18 ¶For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who SUPPRESS the truth in unrighteousness, WIN THE ARGUMENT BIBLICALLY. Thank you Leighton for all of your heavy lifting! God bless you and your family and your much needed ministry!

[@raphaelfeneje486]

Good verse. It says "MEN SUPPRESS THE TRUTH."

[@KevElder]

“Because I speak the truth you DO NOT believe me” verses “because it’s the truth you CAN NOT believe it”. The first from Jesus and second from JMac. A 3-old watching Sasame Street can tell one of these is not like the other…

[@AlexanderosD]

😔 Such a fatalistic defeatist Gospel. "I'm speaking the truth, but it doesn't matter, because they're already going to not believe..." Bro, says who? That's the whole point of sharing the Gospel! "These things were written, so that you might believe, and by believing, have life in His name..." At least Calvinism is consistent in its inconsistency

[@rickyc-bolt2331]

Amen brother!

[@normmcinnis4102]

When you deny the will, you extinguish love

[@Brotheral-pb1oj]

How dare you Leighton?! You have the audacity to challenge the " THE GREAT AND POWERFULL MCARTHUR "! May your ministry be fruitful. Many, including myself needs to hear you. GODSPEED!

[@russellcurtis6334]

Amen. If we were pre-programmed to sin and were incapable of choosing to believe the gospel without God’s help, why did God bother to give the law? It is clearly written that the law was given to be a schoolmaster, so that we could be convicted and cry out “Abba Father” for salvation. Also, if we don’t have a choice, we also can’t be held responsible. The law wouldn’t hold any meaning. It may be true that we are born with a sinful nature, but that doesn’t detract from the fact that every lie we tell is a lie we *choose* to tell. The law was given because we have the power to choose what we do. If there is no choice, God would have no need to give the law. He could just pick out individuals indiscriminately and save them. If that were true, why not just save everyone? Maybe, it’s because we have *a choice* about whether we want to be saved or not?

[@kevinkleinhenz6511]

God gave the law to fool humans into thinking they actually had choice. Boy did He ever succeed!

[@doncline3386]

my grandma went a Christian and i went to Sunday school there. in my adult life, i took my kids to a Methodist church and loved the messaging there, but friends go to other protestant or non denom churches. now I returned to the Catholic church my grandma took me too. this has been enlightening

[@graftme3168]

The Bible says that where there is no law, there is no sin. If people are too depraved to acknowledge the law, how can they be held accountable? We would have to have the ability to understand and the free will to choose for God to hold us accountable, if God's word is true.

[@lightofathousand]

It's remarkable how closely John MacArthlur's theology tracks with that single by Lady Gaga. Actually, if I understand Calvinism correctly,, you do have individual responsibility for your choice to reject the Gospel. What you don't have is the agency that would allow you to choose to reject it or not reject it. This sounds absurd, but Calvinists don't seem to have a problem exempting God from the Law of Noncontradiction.

[@georgenatividad675]

Jesus is both God and man...how do you reconcile that contradiction?

[@lightofathousand]

@georgenatividad675 If you're a Calvinist, you don't have to. I'm not a Calvinist, but I'm not a theologian, either, which means that I don't see how understanding the hypostatic union at that level is necessary for salvation.

[@orangepeel3465]

Excellent

[@Brian-kl1zu]

Wish I could listen to the whole video. I fast forward past the High Priest of Calvinism. Listening to that heretic is too hard on my molars; I can't afford to grind them anymore.

[@AR-rz3tk]

I was born into a catholic home. Even as a very young person I sensed that the system was placing the priest where only God belongs. Calvinist put their false theology in place of where God belongs. Most seem more bent to misrepresent Gods character in their faulty doctrines.

[@nancycastro6210]

I’m a little confused as to if everyone is born totally depravity how do they who are the “elect” become Christians or believers? Or is total depravity only for the non-elect? I’m so confused what they are teaching. I’ve gone back to read Clement and he said you must believe and repent.

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

Scripture answers that doesn't it? Ephesians 2:1 "And you hath he quickened, (made Spiritually alive) who were "dead" in trespasses and sin." Ephesians 3:7 says it's a gift given by the "effectual working of his power." The 1689 London Baptist Confession says that at God's Chosen time, He sends the Holy Spirit to quicken us to New Spiritual life. Then we see John 3:5, Titus 3:5 "The washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit." Which Ezekiel 36:25-27 lays out perfectly. God Bless...📖🌷

[@zebra2346]

According to Calvinism, Total Depravity, applies to all of fallen humanity, even God's elect. And it is only God's elect that are quickened by the Holy Spirit on their spiritually dead state so that they are born again and can now apprehend the things of God. Be very careful Nancy. The Bible does not support Calvinism. I was a Calvinist for over 20 years, and it is not Biblical. No wonder you're so confused when presented with Calvinist ideas. Yes, the Gospel is very simple. Repent and believe that Christ died for your sins, that He was raised from the dead, believe the Gospel. It's very simple

[@primeobjective5469]

No one is born totally depraved; "I was once ALIVE before the Law, but when the commandment came, sin revived & I DIED." -Rom. 7:9

[@dw6528]

DW: The doctrine of Total Depravity did not appear in Calvinism until about 100 years after Calvin's death. At that time - the only real writings available to anyone interested in Calvinism were the writings of John Calvin himself. The problem with the writings of John Calvin - is that in his day he was the sole defender of his doctrine and he could not afford to white-wash his doctrine - which is predominantly a doctrine of divine malevolence. Calvin's god has two provisions for mankind. His PRIMARY provision is for the vast majority of the human population (THE MANY) which is to create them specifically for eternal torment in a lake of fire for his good pleasure. That was also his provision for a large percentage of believers - whom he creates for the lake of fire - by creating them as CHAFF believers - divinely deceiving them with a FALSE SENSE of salvation. His SECONDARY provision for mankind - is to save a (FEW) from his PRIMARY provision. Calvin's writings are full of explications of divine malevolence in which he does not flinch. You can imagine - 100 years after his death - people reading that - are not going to find it very palatable. So Calvinists came up with the TULIP which is a strategy to OBFUSCATE the underlying doctrine of divine malevolence Calvinists use TOTAL Depravity to OBFUSCATE the fact that Calvin's god creates people specifically for eternal torment. The Calvinist wants to attribute the eternal destiny of people to their nature rather than to Calvin's god's infallible decree in order to OBFUSCATE the TRUE reason why people are destined for eternal torment.

[@joningram4187]

I wrestled with this concept early on in my faith. There are many Christians who believe this, even many folks who wouldn't call themselves calvanists believe this...even subconsciously sometimes

[@buddy_132]

That’s crazy! It blows my mind people often question if we have free will when we clearly do. Think it’s due to all the movies and black mirror shows that keep asking people “What if?” Like the devil does.

[@Vae07]

@@buddy_132of course you have free will, what’s that got to do with calvinism or even the gospel message of faith in Christ?🙄

[@buddy_132]

@@Vae07 Calvinism. Video focus: preprogrammed to believe lies. Did you watch the video?

[@BPond7]

@@Vae07What does Calvinism have to do with free will? Nothing, actually, since Calvinists claim we have no free will.

[@dw6528]

DW: Yes - I think you are correct. But I think the reason that many NON-Calvinists have been influenced by Calvinistic thinking is because many Calvinists - and especially Calvinists like John MacArthur - are dishonestly pumping out Calvinist materials into the NON-Calvinist marketplace- which are never advertised as Calvinist materials. MacArthur knows if his books are marketed honestly - as Calvinist materials - a lot of Christians will avoid them because they don't want to risk getting influenced by aberrant doctrines. Consequently a lot of NON-Calvinist Christians are being unwittingly influenced by deceptive marketing tactics.

[@dr.chadeverettd.c.6604]

I apologize up front; this video popped up in my feed and I was so surprised by the response and comments given to this sermon - thus, I’m commenting for clarification as I don’t fully understand the response and admittedly I’m not a theological expert but I did not hear or interpret what you did and as I searched the comments for clarification, it just seemed like a Calvinist hate group. That being said I always want to better understand my faith and be sure I’m not in error so can anyone point me to a video or a book that takes a non attack form of this topic. Thank you in advance for your response.

[@ericd6932]

Glad you could see that. It's sad. Yours is one of the few humble, biblically sound responses. I would encourage you to check out a helpful little book called, Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God, by JI Packer. It easily deals w/ some of the issues Flowers is confused about. Blessings

[@blackwater642]

Check out John Lennox “Determined to Believe” or either of Dr Flowers books “the Potter’s Promise” or “”God’s Provision for All.”

[@goodshorts]

Oh the thickness of the goggles of Calvinistic presuppositions. God's Word is true, Calvinism changes it.

[@Vae07]

Or you people just have a higher standard than God so must twist the plain meaning of scripture to suit you🙄

[@dw6528]

@@Vae07 DW: Calvinists do follow a noticeable pattern. For the Calvinist - EXHAUSTIVE DIVINE DETERMINISM EDD (aka the doctrine of decrees) is the most sacred divine truth Because that is the case - the Calvinist quite naturally has an urgency to read EDD into the text - because EDD is the foundational core of the doctrine - and his mind quite naturally wants to see it affirmed within scripture. However that is where it becomes interesting. When he follows that process of reading EDD into the text - and the conclusion he reaches from doing so is palatable to him - he will accept that text as affirming the most sacred truth within scripture On the other hand - when he follows the process of reading EDD into the text - and the conclusion it reaches is NOT palatable to him - he will treat EDD (the most sacred of all truth) *AS-IF* it doesn't exist. By observing that pattern - one can see the reading of scripture is very subjective.

[@goodshorts]

@@dw6528 Calvinists for some reason take John 6:44 and want to limit who the Father draws. Scripture is clear, Jesus is clear and states that He does what He seeth the Father do. Jesus later states: John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. All men are drawn through the gospel! When we believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, His death burial and resurrection. He now sits at the right hand of the Father. We have responded to the Holy Ghost inspired gospel, we have done the will of the Father. (John 6:40) Glory to God in the highest! Praise Jesus every day. Let us love Him and serve each other due to what He has done. He is worthy to be praised.

[@riaanolwage2931]

MacArthur is blind in his sin and he is preprogrammed by himself to reject the real Christ!! Flee from this FALSE TEACHER!!!!

[@sheilasmith7779]

@riaanolwage: Absolutely NOT. If I genuinely believe something is true that is not true, God will determine if it is sinful. Not you. Certainly there are actions that we can agree are sinful, but not necessarily a belief. In the final judgement God will decide MacArthur's destination.

[@riaanolwage2931]

MacArthur decides his own destination...all people have free will and God wants ALL to be saved but will not force you.

[@joshwilliams3939]

What’s the difference(s) if any between Free Grace Theology and Provisionism?

[@tombsemptybro]

Is there an Email address? I would like to reach out regarding churches in JHB South Africa - TIA

[@JamesBrown-fd1nv]

Calvinism removes the "why", the "purpose" from everything ultimately, It is for shallow thinking followers.

[@mrmcgowan]

Are children born destined to perish? Have children been predestined to burn? Or are they hardened by sin as they mature?

[@geronimocrazyhorse]

Amen 🙏 ✝️ calvinism is way off

[@mrupholsteryman]

Have you determined the predetermined position is wrong through a Greek word study on the terms elect(ion) and predetermined and prestined?

[@dw6528]

DW: If Determinism is TRUE then the perception in your brain would be 100% predestined and cannot be other than what it was decreed to infallibly be. If it is determined that that perception will be a FALSE perception - then your brain is not granted the ability to discern it as FALSE. Since one does not know what has been Determined - it follows - if Determinism is TRUE - your brain wouldn't be able to know it one way or the other.

[@mrupholsteryman]

@@dw6528 my wife and daughter both told me that they have read the Bible for themselves and have found election to be a real way that one can be saved...I told that this puts the God the Bible teaches of in jeopardy within Himself as God SO loved the world and Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world....and said that there was no other way into the Kingdom except if man were born again...and while Jesus said to not be concerned if people didn't receive the Gospel positively cuz they hated Him first...not cuz HE hated them.... I was looking at the original Greek words and the concept even more destroys the Calvinism concept....

[@dw6528]

@@mrupholsteryman DW: They are simply lying to themselves. There is no such thing as a human in our society reading scripture within a vacuum. The probability is - some Calvinist teacher has strategically planted that thought into their minds. It makes sense that a Calvinist teacher would to that because there is a very common saying among NON-Calvinists - called the "Desert Island Test". If a person were stranded on a desert Island all alone with nothing except a Bible - there is no way that person would see Calvinism within that Bible. Calvinism has to be taught to a person in order for a person to see Calvinism in the Bible. So it would make perfect sense for a Calvinist teacher to pump that thought the minds of - especially young believers. The reason they would be lying to themselves is because - the Calvinist conception of Election is a GNOSTIC conception of election. If you review all of the statements in the N.T. where the author is identifying someone as ELECT it will always be the case that those people who are identified as ELECT are people who are ALREADY believers. There is no statement by any N.T. author which identifies people who are NOT YET believers as ELECT. So the only way your wife and daughter could get the idea that people who are NOT YET believers are ELECT is by getting that idea from a Calvinist teacher. And there is a huge amount of STEALTH Calvinism going on. So your wife and daughter would not even be suspicious that someone was influencing them surreptitiously. BTW: You can let them know - in Calvinism a large percentage of believers are specifically created to be CHAFF believers - whom Calvin's god deceives by giving them a FALSE SENSE of salvation. So every Calvinist has a statistical probability of being created for the lake of fire - rather than for salvation. Consequently no Calvinist has any CERTAINTY of election. That ought to give them something to think about.

[@ericd6932]

Friend, I'm so glad you asked the question. Beware of both the sad slandering in this feed and the wrong teaching. You'll also notice that many of the answers and arguments related to Flowers' understanding are philosophical in nature. In other words, "We can't believe in A, b/c if we believe A, then B, C, and D will be true, and that would be bad." But not only is that logically fallacious, God is so great, so glorious, we don't need to be afraid. Nor should we confine him to what our little minds can philosophize. You ask a great question: what do the words in Greek mean? You can look up it up in any NT Greek Lexicon for yourself (Louw-Nida, Danker, etc): The word translated "foreknew" in rom 8:29 has the idea of to know in a love relationship beforehand, and "predestine" means exactly that: to ordain/determine something beforehand. And, it cannot mean that God looked into the future and predestined those whom he saw would believe. That makes no sense: God would not need to predestine something that he had no control over but that he simply saw was going to happen. We must let the text speak for itself. See Eph 1:3-14, John 6:44, Deut 7:7. Also read RC Sproul's helpful little book, Chosen by God. Our God is so good and so loving. @@mrupholsteryman

[@ronniequalls7522]

@kevinkleinhenz6511, well I’m not sure if you know what it is or not but if you’re getting your information from Flowers and agree with his assessment then I know you don’t understand it.😂 So on a serious note what is the main point (I’m sure there are several) you disagree with?

[@archam777]

Calvinists......MASTERS of the eisegetical.

[@KISStheSON...]

This is so easy to understand. "Ye are of your father the Devil" was said to Israelites who THOUGHT they KNEW the Father. Jesus said, had you KNOWN the Father, you would KNOW that I was sent from Him and you would follow ME because WE have the same voice. It was a slap in the face to arrogant Israelites who were ignorantly in unbelief. They were ignorantly in unbelief because they put their trust in the traditions of their fathers rather than in God. They listened to the voices of their fathers who fed them lies therefore they did not have God's word in them. They were "programmed" by their FATHERS, not God. Simple. Consider the audience. John 5 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41 I receive not honour from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? They were professing themselves to be wise but they were actual fools...1 Corinthians 3:18 “Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.” Leighton is working hard to make it known that Calvinism is a lie that makes a man think he is wise...he is patient and kind which is the perfect recipe for helping a person let himself become a fool so that he may be wise and PURGE the false doctrine that they, themselves, claim was a "hard pill to SWALLOW". I almost swallowed it until I found Leighton and Kevin who helped me see that I should not swallow it....Thanks, guys😍

[@ezequielarce8079]

Hello, what are your thoughts on 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 and Jhon 1:12-13

[@KISStheSON...]

@@ezequielarce8079 Well, my thoughts are that God has a brilliant way of humbling people by using the foolish, weak, bottom feeders to make the wise, high, and mighty things of the world know that they have become fools because they swallowed the wisdom of the world.

[@ezequielarce8079]

@@KISStheSON... do you think that Corinthians passage talks about salvation? This is not a tricky question but I would like to know what you think. For me it is a work feom God first… regarding the Jhon passage I say the same,we are born from him by him, by his will and not of our own.

[@KISStheSON...]

@@ezequielarce8079 The wisdom OF God MAKES a person born OF God...it is a work OF God to FEED sinners His wisdom by the power OF the Holy Spirit working in the believers who came before us. God made His creatures able to FREELY EAT of any "tree"...we are "of" what we eat, it's not tricky!💌 I was "of" my father the devil because I was freely eating what he was serving me out of the mouths of my fellow companions. Now I am a child "of" God because I found something else to eat and I swallowed which made me wise unto salvation. Now I am a server to enable all sinners everywhere to freely eat thereof. Listen please, The serpent FED Eve something that SOUNDED "pleasant to make one wise" but it actually made her a "fool" when she DID EAT and she FED it to Adam and he DID EAT......by God's grace He sends people to WALK towards sinners to FEED us His wisdom to make one wise unto salvation. He knows we CAN EAT which makes us responsible for what wisdom is found IN us. If we are found without His wisdom in us it will mean that we starved ourselves to death but not without Him serving us life. It pleased God by the foolishness of PREACHING to save them that BELIEVE, for the times of ignorance God winked at, BUT NOW commands all men everywhere to repent in that He gave all men assurance because He RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD and SENT teachers and preachers. I hope it see it clearly now! Titus 2 11 For THE GRACE of God that BRINGETH salvation hath appeared to ALL men, God SENT His Son/Word to make Himself KNOWN. He was obedient unto death in the cross ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, He died and was buried ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, He rose again ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, He was SEEN by over 500 EYEWITNESSES, and He was raised up in glory. That is all the KNOWLEDGE sinners need to be BROUGHT to them to SWALLOW to be made wise unto salvation...so God SENT servants to SERVE it to enable us to SWALLOW it! The only way to believe it is to be served it and swallow it, it's called hearing it AND learning. John 6:45 “It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all TAUGHT of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath LEARNED of the Father, cometh unto me.” If a person LEARNS about a false god they will not COME to the Son because they will be led in a different direction. God SENDS His messengers to WALK in their paths to enable them to LEARN of and TURN to the one true God God! Colossians 4:5 “Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.

[@Yaas_ok123]

Please do episode on free grace. I am puzzled about it.

[@andrettanylund830]

What I don't understand about RC sproll and mc Arthur. Is that they seem so happy to tell people that they are going to hell. I've heard them say you believe you are going to heaven cause you accepted Jesus but are you in for a big surprise. God is going to say I never knew you. Your going to help. They were gleeful when they said it. They seem happy that only a few people that God ever created are going to hell but us chosen few are going to heaven. They make God so unloving and they are unloving. They don't believe in the God if the Bible. And I believe he is the judge and he judges righteously. I don't understand why Christians who are not Calvinist uphold them even though they don't agree with them. We don't condone Mormons and JW's to me their teaching isn't any worse 😢

[@dw6528]

DW: Yes you make a good point! Because Calvinism evolved through Augustine - and Augustine mixed two pagan components into his doctrine. 1) DUALISM in which "Good" and "Evil" are Co-Equal, Co-Complimentary, and CO-Necessary. This DUALISM is why you find so many things within Calvinism appear in the form of "Good-Evil" pairs. Calvin's god has two intentions for mankind - and he has two wills, and he has two kinds of love - and he extends two kinds of grace etc etc. One of these is "Good" and the other is "Evil" It is believed that DUALISM was a major component of ancient Gnosticism which existed in Augustine's day He simply mixed it into his concepts of God. 2) EXHAUSTIVE DIVINE DETERMINISM - as enunciated in the doctrine of decrees.

[@andrettanylund830]

@@dw6528 thank you. Very good explanation.

[@ericd6932]

Being familiar w/ both of them, I assure you that neither of them are happy to tell people that they re going to hell. Please don't misrepresent them. Yours, and many of these responses, are so unchristian in their lack of charity. This entire feed has largely become a rumor mill totally devoid of actually digging deeper to see what MacArthur and Sproul taught. Very sad. If you really want to humbly dig into this issue deeper in a spirit of mature charity, read a book called, Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God, by JI Packer. @@andrettanylund830

[@silfredoesquivel2870]

Woa woa mcarthur is equalling both falling nature of Devil and falling man's nature? Pardon me , but that sounds like a blasphemy.. Am I wrong about this? I'm Antonio From colombia Greetings Dr flowers I really admire your Work..

[@MaryLewis-jt5jx]

People keep their sin Why? They enjoy them. There are choices to sin or not after we are saved at times Our Lord has to chastens us at times to conform PTL!!!

[@gk.4102]

_"People keep their sin Why?"_ According to Calvinism, it's because God decreed for them to do so and they couldn't do otherwise.

[@dw6528]

DW: In Calvinism -humans do not have choice between [SIN] and [NOT SIN] because of the infallible decree If it is decreed that Calvinist_A will perform SIN_X at TIME-T That decree is infallible and it does not grant any ALTERNATIVE If any ALTERNATIVE were to exist - its existence would falsify that decree The decree is infallible and cannot be falsified So NO ALTERNATIVE is granted existence. Consequently - NO ALTERNATIVE exists for Calvinist_A to choose. That decree granted only *ONE SINGLE PREDESTINED RENDERED-CERTAIN* option to Calvinist_A He will infallibly perform SIN_X at TIME-T because that is the only option granted to him.

[@joshuamoberly9291]

Calvinism in a nut shell: satan wants everyone but God doesn't!

[@timothykeith1367]

Satan does not possess souls. God also owns the souls in hell. All that exists is God's

[@mrupholsteryman]

Bible speaks of demonic possession....so the demons can do what satan cannot? Who entered Judas? ​@@timothykeith1367

[@Commenter563]

he said "wants," not has control

[@mrupholsteryman]

@@Commenter563 but 99 percent of most reformers believe that sovereignty means nothing gets past His decree. (Control)

[@jopa8960]

The distinction between humans and robots lies in the fact that humans possess the intrinsic capacity to desire and request God to reprogram them, essentially seeking God's grace. It's not that humans were initially programmed to hate God, but rather that the inherent nature (programming) given by God to Adam became corrupted and flawed due to sin. Just like the prodigal son, humans can recognize their condition and return to God seeking forgiveness." Luke 15:17-18 (KJV) - "And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee." These verses highlight the idea that humans have the capacity to recognize their need for God's forgiveness and return to Him, just as the prodigal son did.

[@beppiek]

I’ve believed for years that John MacArthur is still on this rock so he can repent

[@OldGuy70s]

So why/how does John get it soo wrong? Ive listened to him aLot.............

[@kiwisaram9373]

If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

[@pwx13]

This is what happens when you shut down gifts, discernment leaves

[@osowers6755]

4:32 Amen, it's their own heart. Jesus said because of the hardness of their heart Moses permitted a bill of divorcement (yet it was not God's will) so it was not based on God but their heart being hard.

[@osowers6755]

7:51 Amen, they are responsible for the truth they receive and the amount of freedom is based on the truth that they will receive.

[@shutterpuk]

Leighton, I almost see an inconsistency with what you are saying, if you wouldn't mind clarification for those who might not have listened to you prior. Does the child that you speak of need God to make Himself known or call the child prior to that belief or trust in Himself. Thank you and love your ministry.

[@dw6528]

DW: I think Dr. Flowers would always say that there is a divine intent to reach out to every human being as the expression of Agape love. And that intent would have to exist prior to point where that human is even born.

[@jopa8960]

Human limitations do not stem from an inability to understand God, but rather from a lack of innate inclination to seek God. Consequently, people cannot come to know God as the creator on their own unless God intervenes. Romans 3:11 (KJV) - "There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." John 6:44 (KJV) - "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) - "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." These verses highlight the idea that humans, in their natural state, may not seek or understand God without divine intervention.

[@neilgovender7450]

I am glad that you calling out Johnny Mac because he freely criticises others with impunity. Its not just Calvinism but many other areas of theology. His take on healing recently was unbiblical whether or not you a cessasionist or not. He characterized Jesus and the apostles ability to heal with 6 principles that were just frankly wrong. Furthermore he has cultivated other followers like BTWN channel and wretched radio that treats this man like the pope and the others who would simply criticize the "charasmatics", Don't get me wrong the charasmatics need calling out for skipping soterioloogy and focusing on pneumatology but they are afraid to call out Johnnyy Mac because he is so highly esteemed in our faith.

[@blackeyedturtle]

When I think of the spirit that inspired those in authority, the spirit they had given themselves over to. A spirit that opposed Yeshua, because He called them out on the precepts they had established, which contrasted Mosaic Law. Forms of korban that sidestepped the Mosaic korban illustrated in Torah, allowing children to disregard ancient forms of traditional honour due their parents. They wanted to silence Jesus. This reminds me of the same spirit that inspired John Calvin to silence those who opposed his teachings. Even though Calvin did not kill those who opposed his teachings, he held the match to the tinder through which his opponents were burned at the stake. The excuse, "It was different times", does not excuse Calvin for silencing those who only desired to debate him in a public forum. Divine Truth does not require state sponsored legislation, to fortify its validity. Specious religious truth has historically always used state sponsorship, to silence its opponents.

[@maximinotovar5798]

Thanks for exposing the twisted theology of calvinism.

[@melissaschubert1653]

He knows what he is doing too

[@buzzbbird]

I just kills me how dishonest Calvinistic Bible study is. With ANY other book (history, geography, science), Calvinists would never DARE to read bastardized sentences and claim honest accurate understanding ot the book! That, however, is not only what they do with the Bible, but they REQUIRE it to be read in such a method! Verse Theology, The ONLY possible conclusion it leads to is heresy.

[@blackwater642]

I’ve noticed that Calvinists have an odd hermeneutic of considering the Bible to be a collection of 31,102 (the number of Bible verses) stand-alone true proverbs, each one is about why they are chosen and everyone else is not. Nothing they read has any context.

[@ashermarcus5242]

If wht MacArthur is saying is true, than baaes in their doctrines of sovereignty than God is responsible and accountable because God programmed them to be against Him...their thinking hurts my head and I am amazed they truly hold onto it.

[@riaanolwage2931]

MacArthur, stop preaching and REPENT!

[@clarkl4177]

Was reading through Sproul's "'What is Reformed Theology"🤔😒😖 THEN I began reading Genesis,"hmmm... surely there must be EVIDENCE for all these"ideas" he's espousing...like at the fall...seems like THAT'S where to find election, that we're ALL rebrobate, etc." Ah, well, not so much.

[@BereaBaptistVoice13]

Oh the worst is freewillers program their God because they cannot accept that God has His plan and program instead you program your god.. There's no in between in that things..😊

[@TalkingOutOfSchool]

(John 18:37) Pilate, therefore, said to him, 'Art thou then a king?' Jesus answered, 'Thou dost say [it]; because a king I am, I for this have been born, and for this I have come to the world, that I may testify to the truth; *_every one who is of the truth, doth hear my voice.'_*

[@mr.seapig2811]

The thing about John MacArthur, John Piper, and Ray comfort is that yes, they all lean towards the Calvinist side… But that’s not the main focus of their ministries; it’s mentioned in occasional sermons, but rarely is the main focus. Especially Ray comfort ministry. I hear the gospel every time I watch a Ray comfort video… Charles Spurgeon was also Calvinist leaning, and he made it a point to present the gospel in every single sermon that he gave. I have watched a lot of Soteriology 101s videos and don’t think I’ve heard the gospel yet. I don’t think ministries like these are earning any reward in heaven. I think they are just causing more division and hate. The Bible says you need both faith and repentance to be saved… If you focus too much on faith, you end up with easy believeism and antinomianism. If you focus too much on repentance, you end up a prideful legalist, but the Bible says both repentance and faith are needed. The Bible also says both that God chooses, but we also have to choose him. I like Philip Yancey‘s explanation and his book “reaching for the invisible God“. He says “maybe truth isn’t found in the middle, but it’s found in the extremes“.

[@glstka5710]

0:17 Jesus was talking to Jews who had believed in him "Jesus therefore was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;"Jn.8:31

[@gojohnnygo3209]

All human are programmed in stages by this world: beginning with whoever feeds them.

[@tomhepple1799]

The Word does say They come forth from the womb speaking lies. And that the natural man can not understand spiritual things Neither can He know, for they are spiritual discerned.. Funny almost that the same people saying, it is only our choice for Salvation but then think we can't lose our Salvation. Can you choose to lose your salvation too..

[@SpotterVideo]

New Covenant Whole Gospel: Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay. ===================== Based on Hebrews 12:22-24, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary. See the words "church" and "mount Sion" and "new covenant" and "Jesus" and "blood" in the passage. Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate. Daniel 9:27 And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

[@andrettanylund830]

In fact they say most people are going to hell

[@charliesteck6105]

Saw your debate tonight with White on John 6:44. I get sicker and sicker hearing Calvinists talk. You made an excellent point about an infant being born then dying and then going to hell since he/she wasn’t elected. Terrible theology. Keep up the good work !

[@eeman1335]

_For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are_ *clearly seen* AND *being understood* _by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead,_ *so that they are without excuse,* _because, although_ *they knew God,* _they did not glorify Him as God, ...but_ *became futile* _in their thoughts(implies a new condition)....Professing to be wise,_ *they became fools,* (not fools previously) _....Therefore God also_ *gave them up* _to uncleanness....to dishonor their bodies._ -Romans 1:20-24 _Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, and not that he should turn from his ways and live?_ -Ezek 18:23 (Implies God's desire for you!) _Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin._ -Ezek 18:30 _is it not My ways which are_ *fair?* (Yes, He made you to know what is fair) Ezek 18:29 _For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies, says the Lord God._ *Therefore turn and live!* Ezek 18:30

[@richardjames6613]

To use that term is to admit we are robots... That's what Calvinists taught all along

[@billmarvel8111]

They are responsible for their unbelief. They just need to believe that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. The Word of GOD is Full of Power we dare not limit its Power!!

[@isaaczhou3619]

Simply put, freewill is that man is free to do things without external coercion, and it must be done from his OWN will （heart， desire， thinking）. Correct me if you have a different definition of freewill. You know, i believe in that freewill, but it is still an influenced will. I know that many people believe in Jesus out of fear of hell. I hear them evangelize that way. The hearers are pushed and urged to accept Christ. That does not sound like a freewill. I do see many who have accepted Jesus, then left the faith because they accepted Christ for the sake of not hurting their friendship . It is like my kid needs a surgery, by nature, my kid, even adults, don’t desire that. But I tell him the terrible consequence if he does not. Then my kid agrees but you can see his fear and reluctance. It is a sure thing that he is battling with his real will. In other words, he is going against his freewill. Let’s take the gospel for example, I don’t see a natural reason for people to believe in Christian faith when Jesus says that Christians would be persecuted, hated, rejected and even killed. By man’s own freewill, relistically speakking, naturally speaking, anyone who is in the right mind, they would not choose Christian faith. There are many other religions that sound much appealing. My conclusion is this, man, by his freewill, will not choose Christian faith. If you say, everyone is sinful, and they have already sinned against God. Then, it does not make sense why they changed their will not to sin against God without some influence. If you say, that’s the Holy Spirit’s work, then, i will say, that’s not freewill as well because man is influenced by God. I think the theology (reformed theology) you criticize is more honest with man’s freewill which is that Man does not have a freewill, which is either affected by natural sinful desire or God. But either way, i don’t see a pure freewill. We do what we want to. Man is controlled by whatever seems right in their own eyes. I really want to know what makes sinners choose God and be hated and rejected by the world, just by his pure freewill? It will only make sense if you say because of God’s work. Then, i cannot talk back. Because of God, who can say no to God. Then, where is my freewill? I mean pure, independent freewill without any influence. Reformed theology just admits that man has no freewill, and that answers my question. Your answer is appealing as well because that makes me feel capable like an independent thinking men. But that’s just a naive thinking. To be honest, We are being influenced or brainwashed all the time.

[@graftme3168]

You fail to acknowledge that the Christian believes in eternal life, and that the suffering now is nothing compared to what is prepared for us when we are with Jesus. So, to be a Christian knowing that we will suffer is very logical. Of course, nobody wants surgery, but it's usually better than the alternative. Nothing wrong with fear being a motivating factor!

[@isaaczhou3619]

@@graftme3168 Thank you for that. I still have problems with freewill, a pure and independent freewill. As I mentioned in my example of surgery, people go to surgery because they believe the terrible result if they don't. but that does not necessarily remove people's desires not to have surgery. in other words, people are kinda compelled by the terrible reality to choose the surgery. It is the same with Christian faith, people choose God because they were either threatened by the hell or attracted to the eternal life. How can we call this freewill? this pure and independent will does not even make sense with human beings. I believe in an influenced freewill. Ironically, even when I’m saying that, I think I’m contradicting to the true meaning of freewill. Even philosophers and scientists know that we are actually not as free as we think. Human will is influenced and even restricted. Our choices are not always from a willing heart. If someone puts a gun upon my head, asking me to give him my money, I think I will choose to do that, but with an unwilling heart. Be honest with ourselves and our human nature. No one will choose God willingly. They will only choose God either by threat or by reward.

[@unclepauliestl]

Speaking the truth is speaking the gospel and speaking Jesus because he is the truth. So is John saying he doesn’t believe in the gospel? I think he is being blind.

[@marcelocardoso1507]

Hello Dr Flowers, Im new to the channel and have been watching a lot of your videos and while I agree with most of your criticisms towards calvinism I disagree with you philosophically on the more general problem with a theistic deterministic view (not the calvinistic one): First, in the "free will" concept I dont think you are as free as you think unless you think of it like magic. Where does your free choice comes from ? I know you wouldnt say out of nowhere, like its random, so maybe out of a spiritual part of you that wills it ? Ok, but how does that spiritual part work, if it has any logic and non randomness in it it must be structured like a "nature" of your soul, but then we go back to the same problem: you didnt choose to have that nature, thats just part of who you are, and that nature was created by God, so he ultimately determined the choices it would wish to make as well ! A lot of criticisms towards a determitnistic view of choice sound to me like "I'm not free unless I can choose what I will want to choose" or " I dont want to wish anything I didnt wish to wish before", this goes on in an endless loop. We are free because we get to do what we wish not because we get to choose our fundamental nature. Our nature is who we are, if God had given us a different nature we wouldnt be ourselves and we can only be free to choose because we have something in us that is our fundamental indentity and in principle its not a problem to not get to choose it. I like the analogy of the love potion that you used elsewhere and I think it could apply to God directly intervening to manipulate our wills, which looks indeed bad to me. But other than that I dont see problem on him doing it indirectly, as we all influence each others wills with our persuasion.

[@googleuser8036]

I do not mean at all to sound disrespectful, but do you really consider yourself the final authority to interpret what God said, meant, heperbalized and concealed? No offence but the greatest theologians, whose entire lives were devoted to the Word of God and its meaning often did not see eye to eye on many biblical premises and exegetical views. Just to name a few of those great minds, who were fully committed during their lifetimes to the task of truest and most disserning studies of God's Word: Irenaus, Polycarp of Smyrna, Doinisius The Areopagite, who by the way was a companion of Apostle Paul for three years...and so many others, on whose broad shoulders bibliology, hamartiology and christology stand. It is strange when appologetic views on such immensely important issues are drawn primarily only from very modern sources and understandings, leaving completely behind the solid interpretations of generations of exegetical giants of the past.

[@googleuser8036]

Regarding the truth. You twisted JM's words. He is not saying that truth is not powerful. He is saying that the ones who hear it (strictly in the context he is talking about) are uncapable of receiving and/or understanding it. Such splitting hairs are dangerous, counter-productive and demagogue.

[@shelleythomas1046]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that "whosoever" will believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3 :16

[@TimWismer]

Leighton, you said, referring to MacArthur's position: "They should not be able to say, 'I was born like this God -- couldn't do anything about it'. But your doctrine is actually affirming that lie" (4:49 ff.). MacArthur never says that God is to blame. You are using your reason to suggest that his position implies this. But the apostle Paul already dealt with that precise argument in Romans 9:19-21 (I copied it below my comments below), which makes it clear that man DOES make this argument -- that they shouldn't be culpable for their sin because they couldn't help it. And yet Paul doesn't argue, like you, that man COULD in fact, help it. He argues that God can do whatever he wants with man, because He made man. I challenge all your viewers to the following: Prayerfully read Rom 9:19-20 in the context of Romans 9 in general, asking God to give you wisdom and open your eyes (Jas 1:5; Ps 119:18). Then ask yourself, "How does Paul, in Romans 9:20, refute the human argument found in Romans 9:19? What is His logic?" As Christians we have to read the Scriptures and ask God to give us understanding (1 Cor 2:14), rather than sit around trying to reason out the truth, using our fallen minds & hearts (see Jer 17:9 , Prov 14:12, and 1 Cor 2:8-16 for why this is futile). ROMANS 9:19-21: You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?