Came here to know which systematic theologies to avoid

Calvinism is a false gospel.

While your only mission seems to be to attack Calvanism, ultimately God's sovereignty and mislead others to believe Calvanists don't believe in sharing the gospel, Jeff Durbin has a multitude of videos on the street working to share the gospel with the lost as commanded in scripture. HIS sheep shall hear the call. Not a single video of you on sharing the gospel with the lost and certainly not anything that isn't Universalism. You believe that the everyone can be saved when scripture clearly states few will be and many will not. Matthew 7: 13-14

Romans 5:17 ESV [17] For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

The first impression of a worldly mind is the correct one? arminianism it's what we first believe because it is according to our sinner human mind, and Catholics made it the common believe but it was not common in evangelical gospel for centuries. I became a Calvin's after a decade of arminian gospel just by carefully studying the bible. It's everywhere in the bible. I have love for my arminian brothers and sisters that never will change, but there is only one gospel, and it's not what I used to believe. God is more sovereign, more provident, more powerful in control of everything than the arminian side portraits. Also, Bible is easier to read and clear, I don't need to find a way to defend God, God doesn't apologize to Job he just tells him who himself is; and Job praised him.

God causes us to be born again. It's isn't our freewill it is God's free will. 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Even if you would say that your decision doesn’t merit salvation, would you say that salvation is the result of our decision?

Isn't God omniscient? Doesn't he work out everything to the counsel of his own will, Ephesians 1:11, Isaiah 46:10-11. Plus he creates the wicked, Proverbs 16:4 Job.21:30 Rom.9:22 1Pet.2:8 2Pet.2:3 2Pet.2:9

I'm a classically trained Calvinist and often doubtful of this teaching. This misplaced semantic attack is however the weakest argument Ive ever heard! Misquoting a single verse and building an entire structure around that is weak. Consider all scripture and countless examples of election (Paul, Jacob, Abraham, Moses, Mary etc.) and build a systematic view.

Just a comment for myself, in case i run across this later:I appreciate the dialog, but I'm not sure whether to Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down... it was a slow dialog.

Has Bercot ever made a case as to why we should believe the ECFs? Seems to just be assumed that their chronological proximity would mean they're getting things right, but no one has ever rigorously shown this, AFAIK.

Jesus said the have Dull ears...good job Flowers

Yes..if you hear and not learn...or belive

Unless somthing happens???...it did happen ...Jammes.!!!..Jesus died ..thats what happen...if the Son of man will be lifted up i will DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME..or close to it..im not sure if its vorbatem..sory for misspeling..i did my school in Romanian

I very much enjoyed this broadcast and the Fruits of the Spirit you good Christian gentlemen modeled. We need more of it in today's divisive church where so many exhibit the worst of mankind. I hope you invite Brother David on again and I will definitely be watching Warren's channel for his chat with David on atonement. Happy New Year Dr. Flowers, Warren and David. God bless you all.

Calvinism doesn’t make sense. Its puzzling how Calvinism found footing and has flourished for all these years. I am new to protestant Christianity and found I really liked John MacArthur when I first came across his sermons on KZbin. I watched/listened to several of his sermons before I heard a sermon where he really poured on the Calvinism theology of predestination, etc. I was so disillusioned I searched for more enlightenment and found Dr. Flowers. Thank you Dr. Flowers for your work and this channel.

Amen brother

What I hear RC saying is only believers can do moral acts. The unbeliever is too depraved to do anything good.

Amen

I really am trying my best to see what you are saying, but I can't. It just doesn't seem to fit with what the text says and how it flows.

I must admit that this guy almost perfectly represents the Calvinistic world view.

So you are all going to just keep going on & on pretending to ignore me! Is that it > 🤪

Augustin really messed things up on many levels and it's hard to tell whether it was intentional or not actually when considering his past as a pagan gnostic and his returning back to some of their ideology later in his life in the church

Augustine is a false teacher in my estimation

John Lennox puts things better than Leighton Flowers

The heresy is when you come to double predestination

Hmmm... maybe that should tell us how important all these different belief systems actually are... or are not ... ...almost as if the word of God was enough for them ...

Respectfully what did Paul mean by this statement if he was not a preacher of Predestination, Election ? King James Bible Galatians 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace.

Before Augustine the Church assumed believers understood certain dogmas that later became necessary to clarify in detail. I'd hardly call total depravity, unconditional predestination, limited atonement, irresistible grace, or unconditional eternal security, ancillary or secondary.

Genuine question, ive discovered Calvinism, been told i was one but the predestination stuff so where do i go from here, what other doctrines are there, im pretty new to this. I learnt this last week the being a born again Christian can get very political!

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Yes, predestination is a difficult concept, but I think it's taken out of context. God, who sees everything past and future is able to look down the corridor of time and examine every moment, every thought, and every intention. Somewhere, sometime, in the heart of every person who would be saved was a moment of repentance, a moment a faith, or simply a moment of desire to know God. This was all He needed to apply His Grace and bring that individual to salvation in Christ. As Christ is "the lamb slain before the foundation of the world", the elect were "predestined" before mankind came to be. We creatures cannot even begin to imagine the inscrutable mind of the Most High. Thanks be to God.

Yes, Salvation is available to every human being ever created, He wishes none to perish! The entire Bible confirms it.

This is like the authorities who caught the wrong who they thought at first was the right guy but can’t be caught with egg on their face so the innocent man ends up in prison forever

I don’t think I was ever predestined to be a Calvinist.

God IS love, the scriptures say, thus a moral universe with FREE WILL is intrinsic and a glory to HIM Who IS love. That’s what is intrinsically and implicitly missing from the Calvinist view: love, God’s immense and overriding love. Calvin was a former Catholic and he dragged that rotting, loveless corpse into his understanding of grace.

2 Peter 1:10. Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble. This passage says a lot to me. It says that calling and election must be confirmed. The Lord gives us sufficient grace to respond to his calling and we can either respond or turn away. I am a Catholic and this is what is taught in the Catholic Church. Predestination is gone into at great depth by Catholic theologians and a predestination to Hell is rejected. We are all called, and God who knows everything knows who among us will accept that call and they are referred to as the predestined. No one is predestined to Hell. A little known fact is that the Orthodox Church held a synod in Jerusalem in 1672 specifically to deal with Calvinism. A prior patriarch of Constantinople, Cyril Lucaris, had basically become a Calvinist. The Orthodox Church felt the need to resoundingly refute Calvinism. The Catholic Church had no such event because we did not have any popes or influential bishops who embraced Calvinism. Nevertheless, The confession of Dositheus, the profession of faith that came from that synod, was a resounding refutation of Calvinism, a confirmation of the faith as pronounced by the church councils, and was agreed upon as being valid by the Catholic Church as well. Unfortunately, Calvinists concentrate on the Sovereignty of God to the exclusion of His Mercy. I believe in many parts of Protestantism there is almost a competition between God and man. If man does something good somehow it takes away from the Sovereignty of God unless God directs those very actions. But God created that man who does good. As Catholics we also believe that we cannot save ourselves. Grace is extended to us but we then must cooperate with that grace. The works necessary to show that we are cooperating with that grace are not works of the law as prohibited in the New Testament but works of love and mercy. “Be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect." “What you have done for the least of my people you have done for me." I think Calvinism may be almost a natural progression of a theology that believes we are totally depraved and have no good in us. But God doesn't create junk. Creation and life itself are good. God puts the spark of Grace in each one of us and gives us the free will to turn toward him or turn away. Thank you Dr Flowers

For me it always comes back to the fact that if you push your theology logically you will always end up making Christ irrelevant which breaks my heart... If our natural condition is as you teach it is then the law would have been sufficient and Christ died for no reason. In comes the prevenient grace loop hole...

She is a Calvinist if she understands scripture

I'm sorry Mr. FLowers but within the first 3 minutes you've already gone off the rails sir and are grossly misrepresenting both, John Macarthur and frankly the word of God. Thoughtful individuals without pretext can recognize that there is clearly some major proof texting occurring here, if not a flat out disingenuous twisting of what John's actual position is. His belief and teaching is absolutely not and has never been that human reason, logic, or tradition should be appealed to as the primary mechanism to determine, define, or defend one's theology as you seem to be inferring. He has never taught that and isn't now. John encourages us all to be as the noble Bereans who searched the scriptures daily to see if these things are so and that should be the source of our theology and discernment. He absolutely teaches that scripture should interpret scripture and that our reasoning should not be imposed upon it to bend it to our will as you regularly do sir. That said, explaining and communicating about things requires words and language obviously. Those words aren't all scripture and aren't all infallible or inerrant which isn't John's aim here. He isn't providing exegesis to a specific passage but is merely speaking in a human way necessary to communicate in a way that makes sense. That doesn't mean that this little fragment of a sentence defines or is the source of his entire theological framework. Had he been defending a doctrine rather than explaining a general principle or precept, he absolutely would have appealed to the word of God not man made logical theories. He could and would have done so from multiple places in scripture such as Acts 16:14, 1 Cor 2:14, romans 3, psalm 51, or Gen 6:5 and 8:21, or 1 Pet 1:3 or a hundred others had that been his aim but it wasn't. All of which do indeed either state unambiguously that God does something to/for us unilaterally to prior to repentance and faith; or infers the necessity of it on the basis of our fallen condition... Just because you start from the presupposition that something can't be true or it makes God a monster and us robots causing you to put God's word in conflict with itself all over the place to fit your system doesn't mean everyone does. We embrace the mystery, the tension, the apparent paradox, parallax, or antinomy knowing that it isn't really those things at all. It is that God is God and we are not. His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways not our ways. We expect a measure of incomprehensibility and don't feel the need to dimish the majesty of our Sovereign Creator by pretending that we can explain everything and have all the answers. We don't and it's AWESOME!! Your understanding of God is too small for us brother. He is God not us... Even in eternity we won't be able to wrap our minds around everything the way you seem to think you can now. Respectfully sir, that to me feels extremely prideful, arrogant, and borderline idolatous to mold God into our just understanding to make ourselves comfortable. That's some shaky ground man. You do you though I guess. Hopefully more will be revealed. Just please try to be at least a little more fair, transparent, and decent when critiquing one whom Christ loves for the sake of His body.

Except "gnosis" in Calvinism is when you are "correct about theology" and believe in a set of propositions expressed in words.

Calvinists project their fantasies of rape onto God so that way they actually teach is divine rape. They don’t actually understand love.

It's highly possible that the LORD our creator & teacher gives His student (me for example) a Bible & then places millions of people (like you charACTORS) in His students life who are constantly debating various views but rarely if ever actually doing God's crystal clear will as follows: 1 Thessalonians 5:16-19 NKJV [16] Rejoice always, [17] pray without ceasing, [18] in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. [19] Do not quench the Spirit. QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU: What knuckle-head actually believes that God is NOT going to accomplish what He sets out to do > 🤪 CONSIDER THIS: 1). He's the Potter 2). It's His Shop 3). All of the clay belongs to Him IT ALL BELONGS TO THE LORD: Psalm 24:1-10 AWESOME! Exodus 13:2 NLT Exodus 19:3-6 NLT Exodus 34:19 NLT Leviticus 25:23 NLT Job 41:11 NIV Ezekiel 18:4 NIV Matthew 20:15-16 ESV Matthew 24:4-5 AMP Luke 21:8 AMP

The council of Jerusalem meeting in acts (apostles figuring things out).

The "Early Church" called themselves "Followers of The Way" and had practices similar to the non-isolationist Essenes. They were not influenced by Pauline teachings because Paul wasn't a Believer. And, the charisma was upon them.

When Christianity provides a sincere apology for the millions of men, women and children who were murdered in the wars of religion, for the forced conversion of native people, for the torture of thousands, for the destruction of older cultures, and for all the bigotry and prejudices they brough unto the world.......then and only then will we discuss how to make the world a better place.

Romans 9,10,11are parenthetical.Romans 1-8 address individual salvation.12-16 are exhortation based on individual salvation. The parenthetical section is not addressing individual salvation,it is addressing the issue of the nation of Israel 's election in the purposes of God.(Paul's kinsmen after the flesh.) Did God use them and then just throw them away? Has the church now replaced Israel? NO! The nation of Israel has been set aside for a time until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.(until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.) The church and Israel are not the same. The church was a mystery (a secret) not known until it was revealed to the Apostle Paul. Israel is the subject of prophecy. Mystery and prophecy are not the same thing. There is a tendency to apply special theological meaning to words such as election. Election can mean "persons belonging to a specially privileged group" and not how they came to be in that group. The parenthetical section here is about corporate bodies of Israel and Gentiles,not saved individuals. Just as 9,10,11 are parenthetical in Romans,the church age could be considered a parenthetical period until Israel comes back into focus (in Revelation.) Romans 9:36 For of Him, and through Him, and to Him,are all things: to Whom be glory for ever. Amen.