Pressurized vs Non-Pressurized portafilter Espresso with DeLonghi Dedica EC685 ✅️

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@WrongButtonWB Жыл бұрын

There's a slight channeling going on with unpressurised basket extraction. You should try to grind a bit finer, if that's possible on your grinder or try adding extra 1gr of coffee to the basket. Should give you even better result and, hopefully, a tastier shot.

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the advice and for watching 🙂 I will try that 👍

@zdonp Жыл бұрын

Hi, my tamper, WDT and dosing ring looks the same like you. Tamper have exactly 51,00 mm in diameter, so the basket should be more than 51 mm. Do you have a basket diameter larger than 51 mm? Where did you buy your non-pressurized portafilter?

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Hello, I bought the non-pressurized portafilter online, unfortunately i don't have any link. Before buying anything online make sure you read the description very carefully and see if it says it's compatible with your machine or the tools you have. I remember that I read the description carefully and it was saying that the tamper was compatible with DeLonghi Dedica's portafilter. But I have other issues with it as it's loose and sometimes I have to keep it in place to not pop out during brewing. Maybe I'll buy a new one and I will leave info in the description to help people that face the same problem 🙂👍

@marcusfoo9549 Жыл бұрын

I've bought a non pressurised basket but the shots are way too fast and doesn't produce much crema at all, any solutions please ? I've tried dialling the grind sizes and distributing as best as possible but still unsuccessful in pulling a good shot 😢

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

You can 1) adjust the coffee grinder to a finer setting 2) fill the basket with more coffee (at least 16 or more grams) 3) tamp the coffee with more force 4) use freshly ground coffee beans 5) try to preheat your portafilter by pulling an empty shot before the brewing. Thank you for watching and commenting 🙂

@marcusfoo9549 Жыл бұрын

@Petercoffeee thank you so so much I'll try all the tips !!

@Viktorherenowhere Жыл бұрын

Yes correct, as adviced, you need to slow the water flow: use finer grinding to boost resistance of water flow. Or slow by using dimmer to water pump, but this is internal manual hardware mod

@fadlya.rahman4113 Жыл бұрын

I tried to compare with just fill the portafilter with coffee and straight up brewing, and the meticulous method, scaling, distributing, tampering, preheat machine and glass etc. Result...there's a difference in taste but not enough for me to go to all those extra effort. I guess my palette is just too simple.

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Taste is subjective, and it's based on personal preferences. Keeping things simple is better sometimes 🙂👍

@anthonydelorenzo6481 11 ай бұрын

Most of the tools are just scams you're tricked into buying because of the Internet lol

@Viktorherenowhere Жыл бұрын

Good job) I do the same every morning. And also mix with milk foam, making Raf type.

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

That's nice 🙂 Thank you for watching 👍

@NSLedeniZmaji 10 ай бұрын

Hi I have one question Where to buy this unpreasured portafilter. I can't find anything in the internet. Thank you for the answer

@aleksandar4756 6 ай бұрын

aliekspres, kucaj non pressurized single wall basket

@Kokeshiflower 7 ай бұрын

Hello - I have the same Dedica machine (Arte) and recently the coffee I buy (pre ground espresso grind) is not working well with my pressurised portafilter and basket. The water pressure seems to have trouble pushing through and the coffee sometimes doesn't drip out much at all. I think it's because the grind is too fine - it works a little better with the single shot basket but not the double. I wonder whether buying a non pressurised basket would solve it? Does it need to work with a bottomless portafilter too? I do plan to grind my own beans but I can't invest in a good grinder right now.

@aleksandar4756 6 ай бұрын

The slow extraction is only a problem because your machine doesn't feature a manual mode - you have three controls, single shot - double shot - steam. I have a different machine, also a cheaper model like yours, but thankfully it has manual mode where i decide how long will the pump work. I am able to create very good espresso with a pressurized basket and finely ground coffee - but like you said, its very slow, from 50 to 80 seconds, which is fine by me, as I absolutely hate the standard single and double shot modes (15 and 25 seconds) as they make the espresso too watery and not thick with the fake foam crema.

@Petercoffeee 5 ай бұрын

If it doesn't drip out, it means the pre ground coffee is too fine. The non-pressurized portafilter combined with a good grinder (good doesn't necessarily mean expensive, I purchased mine for 40 euros), and a scale can give you consistent quality coffee 🙂

@tomkent4656 5 ай бұрын

Perhaps you overdo the tamping pressure.

@Voltar78 4 ай бұрын

What machine? @@aleksandar4756

@monsterozgur 3 ай бұрын

Nice video. Thanks. Couple of questions, why is the less Amount coffee in the cup with bottomless portofilter ? Also do you use standart setting for 2 shots ? Like what is your end ratio after brew ? Thanks

@Petercoffeee 3 ай бұрын

It looks like that because of the size and shape of the glass. The ratio is 1:2, so for the first shot, I used 14 grams and got somewhere 28 - 30 grams of coffee, and as for the second shot, I used 18 grams and got 36 - 38 grams of coffee. I usually use standard settings, but sometimes I just count until 36 seconds for the bottomless portafilter. 🙂

@marimarfrollanni9947 4 ай бұрын

Bonjour pouvez vous m'indiquer la marque du portafiltre non pressurisé ? Merci 😊

@coolkapil Жыл бұрын

Good video- liked your explanation about the difference in crema. Question- how much time does it take to hand grind for double espresso?

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and commenting 🙂 It varies, there are different types of manual coffee grinders (mine is an old manual grinder and it takes somewhere 3 to 4 minutes to grind very fine grounds) you can find manual grinders that do the job in a minute. But manual coffee grinders have some benefits, they release more aromas from the beans just because it takes longer to grind 👌🙂

@aleksandar4756 6 ай бұрын

I have to disagree on the statement that grind size doesn't matter with pressurized basket. It does, i've tried coarser grind with pressurized and finer grind with pressurized. Coarser grind gives something i would rather call just "coffee" and not espresso. Finer grind with pressurized basket CAN create real crema without bubbles, but the extraction time is very long, for a double shot, around 90 seconds in my case. So yes, you can make "non pressurized" espresso with "pressurized" basket, although it will take a long time, therefore it is simpler to just buy a non pressurized basket. 😄

@Petercoffeee 6 ай бұрын

Your opinion is appreciated. Thank you for watching 🙂

@MrOlibrador 7 ай бұрын

Good start! Well done

@Petercoffeee 7 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙂 👍

@Hadi_Mousavi 9 ай бұрын

Hi , may I ask what's the model/ brand of your naked portafilter? Which one do u recommend on Amazon? (For Dedica 685)

@HolyN1ght1987 8 ай бұрын

All from IMS 51mm

@alainjarjar2820 Жыл бұрын

Bonne vidéo, mais l'extraction avec le panier sans fond pourrait être encore meilleure, on voit beaucoup de jets du aux canalisations. Il se peut que ça vienne de ta manière d'utiliser l'outil de distribution. Il ne faut pas piquer, mais faire des mouvements de rotation, en commençant par le fond du filtre et en remontant progressivement vers la surface. En espérant que ça puisse t'aider. Bon expresso 😉

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Très bonne observation, merci pour le conseil 🙂👍

@Jorik_Penphilimonoff Жыл бұрын

Niceee))) Going to buy non-press filter hope it will make my espresso even better!!)

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

It's a game changer, your espresso will taste much better 🙂👍

@Tama-hm8oj Жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, great video! Thanks for sharing! I have a question about the ground coffee in the video. What is the difference between the coffee used for pressurized portafilters and the one you manually grind? Is it mainly about size, and if so, which one tends to be finer? I bought some whole beans from Costco and used the machine they provided to grind them at size 7. Looks coarser than yours. I'm using a Delonghi 685 with its original pressurized filter. Do you think it might be too coarse for this setup? Thanks!

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

For the pressurized coffee it was coarser than the manual grinder. I got freshly ground coffee from the coffee shop so I'm not sure about the size. it was definitely coarser but not so coarse to extract watery espresso ,let's say medium-fine. The manual grinder grinds finer and goes better with a non-pressurized portafilter. You have to try different sizes before you decide what is best for you. Thank you for watching and your kind words! Good luck and keep trying to master the art of coffee with your Dedica 🙂👍

@Tama-hm8oj Жыл бұрын

@@Petercoffeee Thank you for your detailed answer! ❤️

@ΔημητραΜερμελα Жыл бұрын

Ευτυχως που σε βρηκα! Απελπισία!Την εχω 2 μερες κ ενα μονο μπυ τρεχει σε 7 δευτερα.Εχω παρει αυτο το κλειστρο σαν το δικο σου.Εχω παρει καφε αλεσμενο στο 2,5 μηπως χρειάζεται πιο ψιλο?Δεν εχω ακομα μυλο.

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Καλώς ήρθες στο κανάλι μου 🙂 το συγκεκριμένο κλείστρο έχει καλύτερη εκχύλιση με ψιλοκομμένο καφέ και ειδικά τον φρέσκο. Θα σου συνιστούσα να πάρεις έναν μύλο άλεσης ,χειροκίνητο για αρχή , και φρέσκο καβουρδισμενο καφέ και θα δεις μεγάλη διαφορά στην εκχύλιση αλλά και στη γεύση. Βέβαια εξαρτάται και πόσο δυνατά πατάς το tamper. Αν είναι χοντροκομμενος και πατάς χαλαρα με το πατητήρι τότε το νερό θα διαπερασει γρήγορα τον συμπιεσμένο καφε. Εν κατακλείδι το non-pressurized κλείστρο θέλει ψιλοκομμένο και φρέσκο αλεσμενο καφέ για να πάρεις το μέγιστο σε γεύση και εκχύλιση 🙂👍

@ΔημητραΜερμελα Жыл бұрын

@@Petercoffeee μέχρι να πάρω μύλο να τον ζητάω ίσως κομμένο στο 2?Όχι μια χαρά δυνατά τον πατάω!

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

@@ΔημητραΜερμελα θα σου πρότεινα να ρωτήσεις τον πωλητή που θα σου αλεσει τον καφέ γιατί αυτοί έχουν επαγγελματικό μύλο άλεσης και θα ξέρουν καλύτερα και να τους ενημερώσεις ότι έχεις την συγκεκριμένη μηχανή με non-pressurized κλείστρο θα ξέρουν σε τι μέγεθος να τον αλεσουν. Θέλει λίγο πειραματισμό στην αρχη μέχρι να βρεις το μέγεθος άλεσης, τον καφέ που σου αρέσει ,το ποσο δυνατά πατάς με το πατητήρι αλλά θα το βρεις 🙂👍

@ΔημητραΜερμελα Жыл бұрын

Έχεις δοκιμάσει με κομμένο καφέ κάτω από 2?Και δεύτερον το portafilter μου το ανοιχτό μου τρέχει και απ έξω νερά ενώ με της μηχανής όχι.Εχεις καμία ιδέα γιατί μπορεί να συμβαίνει αυτό? Κοντεύω να τη σπασω😂

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Ο μύλος που έχω δεν έχει ρυθμίσεις και μου βγάζει πολύ ψιλοκομμένο καφέ. Το οτι σου πετάει νερά μπορεί να οφείλεται στο ότι είναι ελαττωματικό το portafilter, αυτά που παίρνουν οι περισσότεροι από ασιατικές online πλατφορμες παρουσιάζουν τέτοια θεματακια κάποια άλλα χαλαρώνουν κατά την διάρκεια της εκχύλισης και πρέπει να τα κρατάς με το χέρι να μην βγουν εντελώς. Πόσο καφέ βάζεις περίπου στο καλαθάκι αν δε βάζεις αρκετή ποσότητα πάλι υπάρχει περίπτωση να πετάξει νερά 👍

@TheTrasTyd Жыл бұрын

Salut ! Je suis vient tout juste d'acheter cette machine ainsi que le grinder qui va avec. Par hasard, est-ce que ton portefiltre est un Neouza ? Parce que ça y ressemble et je n'arrive pas à mettre plus de 16g dedans...

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Bonjour ! Ce n'est pas du Neouza, s'il ne tient pas 18 grammes, mettez 17 voire 16, mais pas moins de 16 car le café sera aqueux. Merci d'avoir regardé la vidéo et d'avoir commenté

@johnsi29 Жыл бұрын

Great video Peter!!! my espresso machine comes with the pressurized filter and I’m considering buying a non pressurized. Where did you get it? and How was the change in extraction speed?

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🙂 Go for it, your espresso will taste much better! I got it online, it's easy to find one but remember to choose the right one for your machine and by that I mean the size( 51 mm for the DeLonghi Dedica) . The speed varies from the grind size and how hard you tamp the coffee in the portafilter. I have managed after some practice to reach the ideal extraction speed 👌

@Viktorherenowhere Жыл бұрын

On AliExpress could be.

@CristianDuran-sb7ng 4 ай бұрын

Se ve mejor la extracción que hiciste con el presurizado, la crema se ve más avellanada y las burbujas son mas pequeñas, en cambio, con el filtro no presurizado se ve una crema que parece más espuma, mas pálida y con burbujas mas grandes. Creo que la molienda no fue la adecuada ya que al ver como caía el mosto, hubo unos chorros que se dispararon por el filtro, al nivel de dejar una buena salpicadera de cafe. De todos modos gracias por la demostración. Saludos.

@mikel7821 Жыл бұрын

Πετρο καλησπερα και συγχαρητηρια για το βιντεο σου. Εχω αγορασει και εγω αλλο γκρουπ. Ομως παρατηρησα πως δεν εχεις επιλεξει σωστο βαθμο αλεσης με αποτελεσμα να σου κανει τσανελινγκ… Ο καφες πρεπει να βγαινει σε μια μονο δεσμιδα μεσα στο ποτηρι χωρις να πιτσιλαει δεξια αριστερα. Οταν βρεις αναλογα ποιον καφε χρησιμοποιεις,σε τι βαθμο πρεπει να τον αλεσεις ,τοτε θα εχεις και σωστη εκχυλιση του καφε.

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Σε ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια και που παρακολουθησες το βίντεο 🙂 Το λάθος εδώ πιστεύω ήταν πως αντί να αναδευσω απλά τον καφέ στο γκρουπ εγώ τον πάταγα και προς τα κάτω με τον διανομέα που έχει βελόνες, κατά κύριο λόγο αυτό και μετά αυτό που λες με το βαθμό άλεσης.Στο επόμενο βίντεο που θα ανεβάσω την Πέμπτη πετυχαίνω καλύτερη εκχύλιση, αν έχεις χρόνο μπες να τσεκάρεις 👍🙂

@mikel7821 Жыл бұрын

@@Petercoffeee δεν ειναι λαθος που πατησες με τον διανομεα.εχει να κανει με το ποσο ψιλη αλεση θα κανεις.πρεπει να βρεις το βαθμο αλεσης.και τοτε θα εχεις τελειο αποτελεσμα.οταν το καταφερεις πες το και σε εμας!!εχω την ιδια καφετιερα και με ενδοαφερει αν με μυλο και σωστο κοψιμο το αποτελεσμα Μπορει να ειναι το σωστο

@ΔημητραΜερμελα Жыл бұрын

Μήπως έχεις βρει τη σωστή άλεση και καφέ μπας και πιουμε ένα ρημαδοκαφε της προκοπής??

@russenduf 8 ай бұрын

Εμενα γιατι μου φαινεται πιο κρεμωδης με το δικο του porta?

@vsh555 2 ай бұрын

Portafilter is a holder, isn't it?

@Petercoffeee 2 ай бұрын

Yes, it holds the basket where you put the coffee grounds, and then it's attached to the grouphead 🙂👍

@ros536 Жыл бұрын

γεια σου Πέτρο! σκέφτομαι να πάρω και γω την ιδια μηχανή γιατι ειναι vfm. Εχω δει κιολας πως αν αφαιρεσεις το πλαστικό απο το ακροφύσιο και βάλει ενα tiewrap για να κραταει το πλαστικο φτιάχνεις καλύτερο γάλα! μπορεις να κανεις και ενα βιντεάκι σύγκρησης! πολύ ωραια τα βιντεάκια σου συνέχισε!! Επίσης απο που αγόρασες το non presurised portafilter?

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Σε ευχαριστώ που παρακολουθείς τα βίντεο ! Η Dedica είναι η καλύτερη επιλογή στην entry level κατηγορία και με μια μικρή αναβάθμιση όπως το non-pressurized portafilter μπορείς να φτιάχνεις πολύ καλό καφέ! Όσο για το γάλα αν ρίξεις μια ματιά σε κάποια πρόσφατα βίντεο εξηγώ πως να αφαιρείς το μεταλλικό εξάρτημα από το ακροφυσιο και να το δέσεις αλλά και πως φτιάχνεις γάλα για Latte. Ίσως φτιάξω και βίντεο ειδικά για το πως να φτιάχνεις το γάλα κάποια στιγμή στο μέλλον 🙂👍

@hifzashah5880 2 ай бұрын

The font colour on your subtitles are difficult to read.

@Petercoffeee 2 ай бұрын

It was a very sunny day, and the white font color makes it hard to read. I'm sorry about that 🙏🙂

@SEFullmetalJake 11 ай бұрын

Why didn’t you use the same coffee in both tests..seems a bit odd.

@Petercoffeee 11 ай бұрын

It was the same coffee from the same coffee shop 🙂 The first one that I used with the pressurized portafilter was grounded at the coffee shop because the pressurized needs coarser grounds, and I grinded the coffee beans at home with this hand grinder for the non-pressurized 👍

@SEFullmetalJake 11 ай бұрын

@@Petercoffeee Ah okay that’s closer. I do still find however that immediately fresh ground coffee over coffee that was previously ground can still produce different results. As the deterioration is quite fast imo. Either way good video though. I’m going to get myself a non pressurised portafilter soon and this video cemented the decision.

@Petercoffeee 11 ай бұрын

@SEFullmetalJake You'll get much better coffee with the non-pressurized. Go for it 🙂

@igordragicevic0606 Күн бұрын

Both of them need a bit finer grind.. not much...

@Petercoffeee Күн бұрын

🙂👍

@bosiorne2292 8 ай бұрын

what grinder is that?

@Petercoffeee 8 ай бұрын

It's an old bronze manual grinder made for grinding Turkish or Greek coffee 👍🙂

@kobatz82 Жыл бұрын

For my taste, even 16gr is too strong for espresso. My pressurized tastes better in 10gr then non pressurized in 14-16. I get great chanelling but too strong coffe for my taste:)

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Taste is subjective and that's what makes it special 🙂 I want mine to be strong, full of body. Under 16 grams is not enough for me. Thank you for watching 👌

@kobatz82 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, all the guides you see say,get double porta with 16-18gr :) Maybe some weaker coffe like 100% arabica would match my taste, but, at the moment i got mix with more robusta and even 14gr is dark and strong:) I use cheaper coffe for experiments and quality when I find my "settings"

@shmurk951dabz 11 ай бұрын

your pressurised you use 10grams for the single or double shot basket?

@kobatz82 11 ай бұрын

@@shmurk951dabz For the doubleshot, 25sec

@atm8600 Жыл бұрын

It runs too fast thru your filter :)

@Petercoffeee Жыл бұрын

Which one? Pressurized or non-pressurized? Thank you for watching and commenting 🙂 👍

@Viktorherenowhere Жыл бұрын

@@PetercoffeeeI confirm, your shot has too much output, you need 2...2.5:1 ratio. 36...45 ml of espresso output. Try more finer grinding, to slow water. In my hand grinder, analog to comandante, I use 5...6 cliks.