A Song of Ice and Fire: The Deeper Dorne Part 6

Oberyn and Justice
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[@ivandankob7112]

I never felt Dorne so deep.

[@ByteMe619]

You can just imagine George R. R. Martin smiling to himself as he adds the little clues to Tywin's poisoning.

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

And in the next 100 years maybe our children's children will finally get the Winds of Winter!

[@ExileOnDaytonStreet]

I don't care how off the rails these get, I love watching them.

[@akrybion]

I actually hope the Oberyn poisoned Tywin thing is true. And all in all this theory is one of the most likely to be true ones Preston has made yet imo.

[@Truedatas]

+akrybion Preston didnt make that theory, its been speculated for many years.

[@ThereIsNoLord]

Yes, I have been motivated to re-read the books by Preston's analysis, and despite how clear it is that he is going off the rails, I love and appreciate the attempt to find better meaning. Sadly, I'm not sure GRRM is worthy of these efforts anymore, esp. after listening to Preston's video about meeting GRRM, where Preston seemed to be a more scholarly authority on his work than the author himself.

[@whiteraven6068]

Actually Preston is trying to find conspiracies (hidden meanings) where none exist. Just look at his analysis about R+L=J, the Tower of Joy videos.

[@akrybion]

whiteraven Well, they are still fun.

[@freehouse5006]

"It occurred to me as I was pissing" is probably my favorite line from the entire series

[@nobodysghost8752]

"Justice is like pornography" -Preston Jacobs, 2016 Careful with your context there dude

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

Well, both do give me erections.

[@EstherTheNicey]

+Preston Jacobs Yeah you like to go deep into... Dorne.

[@goluthedevil]

@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin It reminded me of a scene from DareDevil

[@Ozymandias83]

Someone gets fucked, one way or another?

[@ribkan4759]

0:24 I just gonna comment about that😂

[@georgesimmonett6012]

I think you miss the point of why GRRM - thematically speaking - has Oberyn fight the Mountain. Time and time again throughout the books, GRRM teaches us that revenge is a dangerous path to go down and that ultimately any justice you get will be imperfect and will probably just fuck you up even more. Oberyn, even more than Arya or Robb or the Sandsnakes or any character sworn on revenge, is a lesson in why revenge doesn't work. He doesn't just want revenge; he wants the *perfect* revenge. Indeed, he's the embodiment of the fallacy that there is such a thing as the perfect revenge, that justice can have this beautiful symmetry where you're wronged and then, boom, you make things right again. Notice how Oberyn doesn't just want to kill the Mountain during the fight; he wants him to confess, very specifically, to the crime. But, as if to say that there is no such thing as a satisfying confession, GRRM - in a gruesome but wonderfully hubristic and ironic way - doesn't have the Mountain merely confess to the crime but *demonstrate* it ... on Oberyn. Oberyn won the fight and could have left it at that. But his fatal flaw as a character - and the inherent flaw in going looking for perfect justice - means that he just can't stop himself. So he finally gets his perfect confession, but, er, it doesn't work out so well for him ... I think it's an incredibly inventive and narratively satisfying way to basically say that if you go looking for exact justice, you will not find it.

[@TheDeetster]

Punish Tywin Fight Mountain Get confession oh my god it's so simple but freaking genius. This video was so eye-opening and awesome I could almost ignore his hilarious pycelle impression

[@pettersoderberg6903]

"Preston Jacobs has posted a new video." T'is a good day.

[@Lionbug]

It is known.

[@EstherTheNicey]

The old gods have blessed us, truly.

[@mr-century]

Snaps me right out of my unrequited love fueled depression

[@kkilla415]

Preach!

[@mankytoes]

Just don't end up like Littlefinger...

[@BaalFridge]

Justice is like Pornography. I love that line

[@deathmachine808]

Why, it's silly and untrue.

[@alecesne]

+Nadav Drewe what Justice or Porn? It's as real as you believe it is, and not all that fair

[@lite4998]

+Nadav Drewe It's spot on actually.

[@ThereIsNoLord]

They might be equally rewarding, but one is much more abundant than the other.

[@amba74]

I name you Lord Commander of The Kingsguard for your service, rise Ser Preston of House Jacobs

[@EstherTheNicey]

Stannis the mannis has spoken my noble Lords. Let his word be heeded.

[@deathmachine808]

The show may have robbed us of you, but seeing you here once a week really cheers me up.

[@davedark27]

saying that GoT is a fanfic is a horrible insult to the whole concept of fanfiction, insulting even to the likes of E.L. James

[@jonny2hotty378]

His banner shall be a large penis and 4 balls... The king has spoken !!!

[@JasonViolation]

I don't think it would be out of this realm to believe that Oberyn's discussions with Tyrion had two purposes. 1. The obvious one is fishing for information he can use. 2. Planting the seeds of Tyrion fleeing King's Landing and the Lannister name. I think he was very aware of how smart Tyrion is, and how useful a man like that could be. He gives incorrect statements about History to see if Tyrion catches them. It could have been all in fun, but I think there's more to it. He's sizing him up. While it's pretty common knowledge that Tyrion is a smart man, how many times have you heard of someone's supposed intelligence just to find out first hand that they were a moron? I think Oberyn was seeking an ally at the end of the day, whether personal or for Dorne is the question. Then you have the story about meeting him as a baby, and pointing out how shitty Cersei has always been to him. Why tell him that story? To further drive a wedge and stoke the feelings that Tyrion already had.

[@CadaverJunky8]

YASS SER DADDY, *YASS!!!* SHOVE YOUR DEEPER DORNE (part 6) INTO MY CAVERNOUS CRYPTS! I WANT YOU TO RIDE ME WITH YOUR INSANE CONSPIRACIES AS HARD AS AEGON II RODE HIS DRAGON SUNFYRE ATOP ROOK'S REST BEFORE FALLING FROM THE SKY AND GETTING MANGLED MMMMMMNNGG!!!!

[@amba74]

Madness, madness and stupidity.

[@stocktonlord24]

+Stannis Baratheon his grace the mannis is completely right

[@CadaverJunky8]

Stannis Baratheon I think Stannis secretly wanted to slurp on Renly's peach. Your thoughts?

[@amba74]

CadaverJunky My brother was a traitor but i still loved him.

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

"INSANE CONSPIRACIES" ~ Priceless

[@kilo1012]

I dunno, what trips me up is the idea that Tywin would be in the mood for having Shae there if he was in the middle of super bowel death

[@rickard3137]

it was his last resort, he needed her to fuck the shit out of him.

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

An interesting point, though it may have only been day one of no poo. The no pee is harder to picture. Oberyn did say that justice would be that day.

[@kilo1012]

+Preston Jacobs Indeed. and even assuming he didn't actually have sex with her then and she was just there to be pretty to comfort him, I dunno, that doesn't seem like a situation you'd want anyone there to see period, even someone you trust as much as I imagine Twin trusts Shae to be discreet.

[@nicks1299]

dude yes

[@tomgjgj]

If the symptoms were like a colic, then it probably struck him very suddenly while he was sleeping. After he and Shae did their thing. Muscle contractions strike suddenly, hurt like a bitch and can feel like you have something hard blocking you up. Kinda like a limb cramp, but in your digestive system.

[@CharlesOffdensen]

It is very clear why Oberin wanted the Mountain to confess - he would have killed him swiftly then, because a confessed sin is half a sin. Since the Mountain did not confess, Oberin chose to kill him slowly with poison instead. Only, if the Dornish prince wanted sir Gregor to die in pain, he could not have won the duel, he would have to die as well.

[@Icemoose48]

Perhaps Tyrion's and Oberyn's conversation about Viserys II wasn't Oberyn screwing with Tyrion but Oberyn trying to get an honest opinion of Viserys II from Tyrion. Viserys II is not just an example of good governance but also an obscure one. One that only somebody either truly committed to history or highly interested in governance would study. By making false statements about Viserys II Oberyn tests both Tyrion's knowledge of the history of Westerosi governance but also extracts an opinion about the quality of that governance.

[@treesarecool12345678]

I've lay in bed all day feeling so ill and sorry for myself. I'm so excited for this, this is exactly what I needed. Thanks Preston

[@fyreteam2085]

I hope you get better!

[@davedark27]

the subject of Justice its so central to the Dornish plot and ASoIaF that it takes us back to Plato's republic. + *Preston Jacobs* the more I think about it, the more sense it makes that GRR Martin told you not to read too deep in his work so you won't unveil all of his secrets

[@Prince8of8pella]

This series is just the most amazing thing in youtube, I love the detail and thought process you take us too. The ah hah! Moment at them conclusion of each video keeps me waiting for the next.

[@jakehorsburgh2878]

I wasn't sure when you started the video by delving into each characters version of justice and different levels and stuff, because it's such a vague concept, but once you got onto that Oberyn stuff with him testing Tyrion and realising he is a victim was really good man. Oberyn could easily have been another arrogant killer, this stuff giving him character is cool

[@alecnava5465]

Preston you're the man man. Let me make a stained glass window depicting you in your glory.

[@christopheraldenhucumwoodi2203]

Oberyn poisoning Tywin right before Tyrion shoots him unnecessarily with a cross bow, is somewhat reminiscent of Arya unnecessarily freeing the northern soldiers at Harrenhal who were just about to be freed by the Bloody Mummers.

[@musculusiv4172]

I think there is a pretty good chance that Oberyn did believe in the "system" level of justice. Just look at what would have happend if Oberyn succeded in his original plan: First he would have killed Tywin. Then he would have confessed the murder publicly. Then demanded a trial by combat, which under current law, no one could have denied him. He would have won the trial by combat and could have walked away freely since the law would have then concidered him innocent of Tywins murder. He would have literally become the living example of a man, who is able to get away with almost anything just because he's a skilled fighter. What better to show how crappy and injust westerosi law is and how much better and fairer dornish law would be? Now that does sound like a winning move to me, doesn't it?

[@Arcessitor]

You can't confess the murder publicly, then trial by combat. If you confess, there is no need for judgment or further trial. You can implicate yourself and have yourself arrested, sure, but not confess.

[@musculusiv4172]

+Joven Christopher lol you're right

[@jeffreytan2333]

He could've just said something like "I was there when Tywin died." Not a confession, but enough that people think he did it.

[@musculusiv4172]

+Jeffrey Tan Yes and Tyrion and Cersei would have come to the conclusion anyway that is was lickely him.

[@louiswilliamson2191]

I wonder what would happen if he won the trial and then confessed. Were the gods wrong? Is he lying? Would people finally realise that trial by combat is a mockery of real justice?

[@trevorpjames]

Forgot to mention the brunch Tywin and Oberyn were said to have shared before the wedding! Certainly would be an ample time for poisoning.

[@ssa3101]

I have been a book fan for almost a decade but just this week found your channel and so far have binge watched most of the playlists. Great work.

[@KioraNaidoo]

Loving this Dorne series. Thank You!!

[@DamianShaw86]

I also seem to remember in an Arya chapter about this time there was a suspicious listing of poisons. Upon my recent reread I couldn't help notice a description of a poison which affected a man's bowels.

[@BaalFridge]

i havent heard the word justice so much in such a short amount of time since that All Pharah Overwatch game

[@musculusiv4172]

lol so true

[@deathmachine808]

Watch the red dwarf episode 'justice'. It's great.

[@Jaqen-HGhar]

but what does justice do, cause I'm not sure? I forget sometimes and need constant reminding.

[@Epicurwat]

So when we see the small council ( in the show) where Tywin mocks Mace Tyrell by using him as his water boy,do you think they wanted to suggest another Tyrell / poisoner conspiracy? Oberyn was grinning not at the inadequate Mace but doomed Tywin ? that scene seemed rather superfluous to me when I saw it.

[@richiet8688]

I'm convinced that Tywin was poisoned now

[@arraikcruor6407]

The video misses the part where Tywin's dead body is full stench that Tommin cannot handle. Causes him to puke at the funeral. Tywin was definitely poisoned

[@CrystalblueMage]

He is working VERY hard to get solid proof against Tywin, so he can stick to narrow justice.

[@carleenedenard9852]

Preston, your videos are kind of like the ice and fire series. The more times I watch all your videos the more I pick up on. I just wish you had like a thousand more videos I could watch. I really appreciate your point of view, it's refreshing!

[@daggerdoom9793]

And Just like that, my day got better. Thanks Preston!

[@johnnye87]

I love the double meaning of "the Enormity that Rides". "Enormity" is commonly used to mean "great size", but the traditional definition is "terrible violation of law or morality", often used to describe things on the scale of war crimes. In particular, used as a count noun the way Oberyn is (he's essentially calling Gregor Clegane "an enormity") it almost never refers to size, but to a heinous crime.

[@sagebias2251]

Justice is a somewhat ridiculous ideal without first establishing rule of law, presumption of innocence, fair trials, equal protection under the law, ect. Dorian is putting the cart before the horse. That's why I struggle to root for the Dornish cause. It is doomed to fail. You can't skip steps b-f on your route from a to g.

[@aemonwarrick4654]

Bravo!!! I like your analysis of the word justice. I strongly believe that justice is making sure no one is mistreated and the people that need the most help get the most help. Imagine applying such a definition the many issues in the story. Imagine if this definition was applied to the wildlings and the nights watch rather than killing each other each side of the conflict could help each other with their needs. Such a doctrine could have prevented Robert's Rebellion and the War of Five Kings.

[@musculusiv4172]

This is the first time I feel like Oberyns actions in Kings Landing make somewhat sense.

[@knass8232]

Simply beautiful. Can't wait for the deepest dorne yet to come

[@ThereIsNoLord]

1:17 "Justice cannot be served via proxy" I feel like I am listening to Christopher Hitchens criticism of the vicarious redemption offered by Jesus -- "I will die for your sins". In other words, +Preston Jacobs, you are in very good company.

[@supahwafflz]

Woo! Your account is one of the best and most committed to content Preston! Your videos bring a smile to my day!

[@tynoguchi7450]

I thought you were the slayer

[@supahwafflz]

+Ty Noguchi you funny guy you

[@tynoguchi7450]

Yep I'm wittier than Patchface, I know I konw oh oh oh!

[@S2Tubes]

Flat is justice, but seriously, Oberyn wanted Tywin and Gregor to admit what they did. He could have simply killed them, that can't have been impossible, but he wanted it to look like his vengeance was justice. Not simply an assassination.

[@luiscarloscala6923]

I hadn't seen any of the deeper dorne videos until yesterday, imagine my happiness getting a new episode just as I finish the others :D

[@prospecial]

i have always had the idea that oberyn wanted a confession in public to let all of westeros know about lannister cruelty, but on the other hand it was common knowledge all the time that tywins henchmen did kill the princess and her children i am confused right now, cant wait for the next part ^^

[@davishgraff9594]

I'm glad the show is done so you can focus on the book. I love your season watch series, better than the actual show at times, but your in depth analysis of the books are always great videos.

[@itachiuchiha9773]

Battle against mountain wasnt planned by oberyn(he sure wanted to kill him but to fight against him in trial by combat wasnt planned) .it was just an interesting turn of events that he got to fight against mountain

[@shaunkerr902]

Could you imagine if tywin agreed & married cerssi to oberyn? That marriage would've been... interesting

[@Jaqen-HGhar]

I don't have anything to add, just to say well done and can't wait for the next one. I thought that this past season my take some of the wind out of your sails for theories but not at all. Keep it up man, you give me hope.

[@BandanaDrummer95]

Have you considered the possibility that Oberyn is making a distinction between ruling and governing when describing the reign of Viserys II? He might also be pointing towards silence on a more just governance being kinder than portraying it as abnormal and possibly incorrect.

[@toonbartholome479]

That the orddr was the other way around makes so much sense.

[@omg_look_behind_you]

Classic Preston. When will your name be printed on hard-back? I'm sure a Kickstarter publishing campaign would be well received. I'd put $50 on that. Everyone else?

[@Gman-109]

Great job as per usual Preston, very interesting points regarding justice, vengeance, etc. Hilarious Oberyn voice, next to the Rogue Prince music/interlude, your voices are my favorite parts of your vids aside from the intelligent content.

[@TheRkelly3001]

Love the videos man. Deep deep analysis. The break down of Oberyn is awesome. I'm really looking forward to rereading the series after following this series of videos.

[@deathmachine808]

You can't define pornography? I think you can mate.

[@deathmachine808]

lol yeah but the same could be said for romance, or love, or grandma's fruit trifle or anything based upon personal preferences... there's accepted colloquial definitions of these things

[@davidjay7116]

I think you might be missing the cultural reference he's making. Look up obscenity laws/trials in the US. There's a history of judges subjectively deeming things legally obscene--much like characters in ASOIF are subjectively deeming acts of vengeance as justice.

[@badjokemaker3051]

Is there penetration? Yes? It's porn. Only naked people? Erotic art movie.

[@recoilAbs]

Pornography as a preversion, not a material item.

[@ryancosgrove3104]

It's a famous saying pal, calm down.

[@Weltraumfee]

While I don't always agree with you on all your theories I really like the videos on Dorne. I feel like I don't know a lot about the dornish and their goals so it's interesting to see how it could have been planned and affected the overall plot. I'd be happy to see a video further explaining Tywin's relationships to whores, Shae, Alayaya and her mother, and even Tysha (though I'm not sure she was one).

[@1knurlagn]

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, Tyrion is Tywin's son. Lannister men keep mistresses, a source of shame for Tywin who is reminded by it of his fathers weakness as a lord. Tywin hated his father Tytos' whoring, hates his own whoring, and hates tyrion's whoring. The incestuous Jamie and Cersi mayhaps fall from a different tree?

[@nonstantine]

SUCH QUICK TURNAROUND! Thanks for keeping my lore hunger at bay.

[@LeftRightSquare]

I listen to Prestons videos all the time while is rice I love them, so happy this came out now!

[@AWFarmer]

I forgot how much I enjoyed these videos before the season started.

[@jamesyoung3731]

Vengeance on Tywin is as much about disgracing him in front of the kingdom as it is about killing him. The public confession wasn't for Oberyn, it was for the world

[@packetman1]

The scars were left by Cersi, and the brothel was not the rendezvous point, but the escape method used to get to Shae's Manse.

[@JonesJr_art]

It never occurred to me that Tywin was poisoned. It's observations like this that compel me to watch all of your videos. Well done again!

[@larryhinkle9390]

really, its really obvious in the book - the most obvious read between the lines thing IMO. they specifically mention the poison, Tywin stank so bad Tommen vomits. The only real question was who. Oberyn is the most likely but who knows.

[@JonesJr_art]

+Larry Hinkle I thought him sitting on the shitter may have had something to do with him smelling and the fact he was a rotting corpse. I guess I missed it.

[@TheDelinear]

+Larry Hinkle Yeah they even go out of their way to mask the smell with strong incense or something, and it's still really overpowering, to the point Cersei suspects foul play (a rare moment of insight from Cersei, except the foul play almost certainly happened before his death whereas she thinks it happened after). No other dead body is given the same description in the whole series, which makes it stand out even more as a point of suspicion.

[@JonesJr_art]

+Barry Hood I went back and read the passage and you're absolutely right, it stands out as obvious foul play. I definitely should have caught it the first time for sure.

[@TheDelinear]

+Rich Jones It's easily done, there's so much going on at the time and George is very good at burying little details like this :)

[@IIBizzy]

Wow I'm not buying in, in all of your theories, but the Obery/Tywin part I am completely sold on, Amazing.

[@HaYlEeXx19]

Joffrey fucking things up even in death lmao

[@christiancristof491]

That little piece of shit is really annoying.

[@Asafdavidson]

I think the name of the poison used allegedly on him is suspicious... Widow blood. What widow's blood do u think it's relate too)

[@laxpatrtick]

I love this series! Thank you Preston!

[@akeelbrown7675]

The only true justice that Westeros will recieve will be delivered by the Others. A cold, sweet justice.

[@sylviahoward1065]

You spelled Stannis wrong, but I'll let that slide

[@akeelbrown7675]

@@sylviahoward1065 😂😂😂

[@wisdommanari6701]

@@sylviahoward1065 stannis Stannis STANNIS!!!

[@eamonncleary1539]

I dont know how you did it, but you have made Dorne (book!!) my favourite story...

[@raziel3145]

Dornish videos are the best! Can't wait for part 7!

[@amsbeats841]

the confession is important for obvious reasons, especially a public one like he was trying to extract from the mountain. he wanted the world to know that Twin was guilty, to tarnish his legacy AND kill him because a simple death wasn't enough, not for a Martell anyway.

[@ferraghamo]

your video is like a piece of art ♥️🐝 thank you so much for your hard work

[@starkotarak]

I laughed at 15:35 so hard... Yeah... he did. Great video. Can't wait for part 7.

[@DubsUp-pf9xz]

fuck yeah! ive been waiting impatiently for this for two weeks. take us home Preston!

[@14dodo14]

midnight biking and listening to this...ohhh

[@liamparker2590]

is the upside down picture at 11:30 bothering anyone else?

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

There are no coincidences! Preston is trying to tell us something!!!!!

[@manband20]

You can hear the castle whisper "help" at 11:42 so I think we should call the police!!!

[@ribkan4759]

10:12 innocence 11:37 Elia to Rhaegar 13:43 Doran is a big fat liar 15:46 Oberyn’s poison 16:46

[@kass43611]

Thank You again Preston!

[@eamonncleary1539]

I have to say, i love your impressions.

[@lordbloodraven835]

Ser Preston of House Mindblower ! DAMN NICE PART ABOUT TYWIN !

[@mellonsymphonic8658]

this feeling when PJ releases a new video

[@davidjacobs5200]

Your Oberyn voice is really good

[@stuartm4921]

Fantastic as always Preston. Good work

[@matthewbradbury7132]

maybe the reason Oberyn decided to go to Kings Landing at that particular time was because Jaime had his hand cut off- in a trial by combat Jaime would be the champion, not the mountain, but with no hand he can't fight, so they had to choose the mountain instead

[@richardfitzpatrick9732]

Oberyn went to KL for 2 reasons to kill Tywin and too cause trouble for everyone

[@Salamon2]

You really are bringing up a lot of the Oresteia's points. Give Aeschylus a read when you can. His tragedy trilogy, the Oresteia (Agamemnon, Libation Bearers, and Eumenidies) is all about the difference between Vengeance and Justice, and how Justice can bring an end to the cycle of vengeance.

[@yaketysaks]

Loving the new production quality, makes me proud to be a patreon supporter!

[@CABRALFAN27]

I never thought that I'd hear the phrase "Justice is like pornography." XD

[@shananika]

Loving this series! Nice attention to detail.

[@martux9]

Great stuff as always, but I think you should have also cought that widows blood was explicitly red so can easily be mixed up with wine and when Tyrion says that he looks like he just drank some poison he most likely just did.

[@yourarchfoe]

I haven't seen your next video yet, but this one got me thinking. Assuming that these clues add up to the truth, why do they matter? What difference does it make if Oberyn killed Tywin or if he didn't? And I think the answer is that perhaps if Tywin was already effectively dead before Tyrion shot him, maybe in the big karmic picture of Westeros, Tyrion isn't counted as a kinslayer after all. "There are degrees in kinslaying, as in anything else. Fighting a battle in which a brother dies might be frowned upon, but killing him with your own hand would be considered far worse.[7]" If you stab the corpse of your father, you wouldn't be a kinslayer, right? What difference does a few hours make? So, I think, it may be revealed later on that Tyrion has escaped the curse of the kinslayer because his father was already dead.

[@Baratheon.]

Pretty much giving Tyrion an out of having killed his father, he was already a dead man walking. I'm convinced of The Vipers intent to poison Tywin then opt for a trial by combat, if [Oberyn] dies either way he gets his casus belli and has sown the seeds to predicate the downfall of House Lannister

[@GotMullet1985]

in the chapter where tyrion is heading to the brothel the second time it mentions how the moon is peaking in and out between the buildings on the way there.

[@radu0011]

i love these videos

[@michaelalan6459]

Great video! Man, when Gregor smashed Oberyn I was devastated. I had to stop reading for a couple days. lol. Since, every time I've read through his parts it's always seemed to me he was up to something. I think you nailed it.

[@tylerjohnson5756]

Great video as always bro, Keep up the great work

[@RespawnM]

Revenge is an act of passion, vengeance of justice

[@itaipee]

In the first "deeper dorne" , you mentioned cultures wars , that Dorne master-plan is actually Rhoynish masterplan , about dying culture , and dying land. Than the next 5 videos .. back the "classic" Dornish masterplan . Shouldn't such Rhoynish masterplan , include plan for mass immigration? maybe taking over stormland and/or the reach? because even if somehow Dornish will be on the top at the end-game, their land is still dying , and winter has already arrived

[@ryancosgrove3104]

Good point, it does seem like he's drifted off a bit from this idea or maybe he'll come back round to it?

[@arbiterskiss6692]

Arianna may be leading the Dornish by Dream of Spring. But that doesn't give too much hope, she learned nothing Doran wanted her to from her Queenmaking adventure or her imprisonment in the tower. She may end up being our first impression of Oberyn-light.

[@andrewlevin6331]

Culture doesn’t necessarily mean race. Rhoynish culture could come to the seven kingdoms without changing the demographics.

[@countchocula2169]

Excellent as usual Preston

[@mueezadam8438]

Every author dreams of having an analyst like Preston read their works; though most books would break under such meticulous pulling and prodding.

[@lawrieseed8290]

Preston, I'm not sure if you've mentioned this before, but was Oberyn's death a part of the plan? Because to me, it is actually quite plausible (not to say it is true), or was Oberyn's death simply an accident, in your opinion?

[@kristieannkeys]

I saw someone else post a comment very similar to this one, in which Preston responded with something like [I believe Oberyn probably had a plan for both scenarios]

[@marsstrider3705]

I am under the impression that Oberyn planned to win also. Why would you plan to die unless you're insane. Oberyn defiantly thought he would win. Preston quotes a line that is like {Doran remembered Oberyn toppling boys many times his size in the water gardens. Oberyn had reminded Doran of that before he left for Kings Landing.} Why would Oberyn do this except to reassure Doran that he's going to be ok, and he's going to beat the Mountain?

[@manband20]

Well to be fair, the key was the confession. If he really wants to avenge the life of Elia, he'd do anything for it to ruin Tywin's rep. If anything, his death rallied more support to his cause because now Dorne is very pissed that their favorite Prince is dead.

[@lawrieseed8290]

+manband20 that was partly my thinking also, his sacrifice could potentially be beneficial to Doran's ultimate goal.

[@ryancosgrove3104]

really?...

[@Smeebit]

I was wondering where all of the dissection of Oberyn's motives was going. Then it all paid off in the end, with the revelation that Preston has very quick bowels.

[@neriumsuitedher]

Hey that would be great, maybe the gods will forgive Tyrion for kinslaying then and he won't die.

[@ToastedToast21]

The Gods aren't real

[@neriumsuitedher]

ToastedToast21 If that's what you choose to believe. I, however, choose to believe that anyone who breaks guest right or slays a kinsman is living on borrowed time.

[@ToastedToast21]

neriumsuitedher Fair enough. Hopefully they will get theirs one way or another :)

[@countchocula2169]

5:13 I think Doran wants vengeance and justice but he respects his daughters view even though it disagrees with his because she's intelligent and understands

[@doctorchublins3410]

THANK YOU