PRESUMED INNOCENT Episode 6 Ending Explained

I review, breakdown and explain Presumed Innocent episode 6. I discuss the Apple TV+ show which stars Jake Gyllenhaal as Rusty Sabich as he's accused of the murder of his colleague Carolyn Polhemus. I react to Raymond collapsing at the trial, Tommy potentially becoming the main suspect and a potential twist that could involve Rusty. I also compare the story to the 1990's movie which starred Harrison Ford and the novel from the 1980s. I also give my theories and predictions on episode 7.
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Sorry I wasn't able to cover episode 5 of the show! I was away and didn't have anyway of working on it. Within this video I do mention some important details from episode 5 that has helped shape the theory around Tommy. Let me know what you thought of this episode in the comments below!

[@Kevin.Costner.]

i feel like that Character’s Actor always has heart attacks in every show his in or stressed😂😂😂 portrays it so well, dudes even sweating bricks in this vid

[@OrionTripp]

Gets me every time 😂

[@daughterofolaf]

The heart attack scene was so uncomfortable for me. Like it was too realistic. I like this character more than anyone else in the show, so I hope he doesn’t die.

[@prada8780]

I think hes going to die and rusty has to defend him self

[@tB-zq2db]

i loved that scene bc of his wife and the acting! they are actually married irl! i was so happy when i say them both on screen together! i love them individually and separately !

[@MJ-py7dm]

I think Tommy did it for now, but not because he had feelings for Carolyn, I think he's just a jealous, nerd who resents men like Rusty, the tall, handsome, successful jock who has it all, wife, kids, mistress. Tommy is awkward to everyone around him (he even says it to Nico); at the office, people dislike him because he looks creepy, he gave Carolyn "the ick" and even Nico knows he's a good prosecutor but he doesn't particularly enjoy his presence. I think Tommy was blackmailing Carolyn with something big, knowing her affair with Rusty which is why she broke things off with him. I would rule out Barbara as a suspect because she has very normal emotional responses to this whole situation. Having to hold her family together in the public eye while supporting her husband on trial is something we've seen from a lot of "wives" and the affair is a normal emotional outlet to make herself feel desirable again, something she wouldn't do if she were guilty of a crime - obviously because why make it worse? Also, we now know that it was someone with prior knowledge on the case Carolyn worked on who would've tied her up that way.

[@paulmooremercer395]

Well remember Barbara could know because rusty would have work pictures and things around the house as it showed I think in the first or second episode, so theoretically Barbara could have gotten access to

[@clintonesmaeili2864]

My guess is either tommy or barbara. The kid did say also that her mother was having problems with a “guy” at work which leads more towards Tommy. However I gotta agree with @paulmooremercer395 as well. Barbara being the wife of a very powerful lawyer has access to pretty much all the cases that he has ever worked on. My thing about her that keeps me thinking is when she told the therapist “ It just felt good to be wanted” which gets me thinking what if she killed her so that she can connect with her husband again and feel wanted again. I could be wrong about all of this but Im loving the show so far 😂

[@nabaasaadkadhim7655]

@@clintonesmaeili2864you’re right ,she’s the killer

[@MJ-py7dm]

@@paulmooremercer395but we don’t see at any point that she could’ve asked him about the case or seen any pictures or shown any interest. It’s too easy, not only that, all the flashes of Carolyn’s death, we can see her being projected violently against the wall, implying that the person who killed her must have had enough strength to tackle her, which Barbara doesn’t look like she does. It doesn’t seem plausible to me. Also, why would she allow a picture of her son near Carolyn’s house knowing it could get him in trouble as a « black » boy.

[@MJ-py7dm]

@@clintonesmaeili2864then she would then start an affair with another man after getting her husband’s mistress killed? It doesn’t add up mate.

[@CR_22]

Man Tommy not wanting Rusty to have his cake and eat it too when he doesn’t even have a cake 😢 😂

[@divineinhalewithdonnacliff8112]

Tommy was also in the court room when that previous copy cat killer was sentenced. So he knew how he killed

[@CR_22]

Wanting the show to not end 😢

[@CR_22]

Tommy is a cat lady

[@hellaaight471]

Underrated comment

[@daughterofolaf]

💀

[@JSBecc]

😂😂😂

[@ferashdaib7674]

I really thought for a few seconds that Raymond was acting to make the jury forget about the victim's son's emotional testimony

[@RMH-cm5nt]

i’ve got a wild theory. What if Carolyn’s son did it out of rage, then called the father in a panic and the father is the one who tied her up and set the scene.

[@jennifercardenas4881]

After hearing him testify, I felt this too, but it would evil for them to pin it on the son after going through all of that. He said he went there all the time

[@jorgeburke3465]

It must be the wife. Isn’t that obvious? I feel like she would have motive.

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

My wild theory is Barbara did it. My actual theory is Rusty actually did it but mentally blocked it all out hence the reason they showed that conversation with his daughter about the theory.

[@Stephen09W]

And how would the father know about the way she was tied up

[@DoctorDull]

I’m with Stephen on this…neither Barbara, Carolyn’s son, or her Ex Husband would have known how Bunny was tied up. So unless we find out they somehow had access to the files it rules them out…

[@kasiapetruk6730]

We don’t know if that was first time him being violent towards woman like with Barbara. In earlier episodes Rusty had those flashbacks that showed him clearly hitting someone and being violent. It actually could tie to this episode’s conversation about disassociation between him and his daughter. Those flashbacks could also be just a fantasy, him imagining what it would look/be like if he did it. So there is definitely as mentioned in video something about him that resembles a split in his mind, two faces, and he may not realize.

[@OrionTripp]

You can make the impression he has recently started being this aggressive, based on the way she reacted.

[@elliotcrane]

Pointing attention to Tommy seems like an obvious deflection. The famous Dwight Shrute’s logic says that it’s always the one „you most medium suspect”, so I guess you’ve already had it right before 🙂

[@Jakester1472]

Well it better end up being rusty then because he's the one I medium expect 😭

[@sophiaisabelle0227]

We appreciate how well you've articulated your insights. Keep doing your best.

[@06dking]

So Rusty got upset at his wife for kissing another man even though he got his side chick pregnant and lied about ending his affair on multiple occasions. A happy ending for this show would be for the actual killer to be revealed and for Rusty's wife to finally divorce him

[@DistortedEmpath]

Cheating is cheating

[@deeobrien5417]

Yeah I could not believe the way he reacted to her and got physical with her over a kiss when he did all that and to top it off got this woman pregnant and has destroyed their life and put them through hell and they’re so understanding of him and he gets physical with her…plus they way he was kind of stalking Caroline was such a red flag too, the dude was so lucky to have his family stick by him despite all him bonkers awful behaviour…

[@CR_22]

Michael was beating that word to the ground 😂

[@Cam1dunks]

That’s my impression as well

[@CR_22]

Bill is always an addition to stuff you’re gonna watch anyways but man does it make it all the better

[@nataliepinkston4868]

I think this time the wife will not be the killer and it will be Tommi who is the killer. That’s just my opinion that will make it more interesting.

[@Jairogliphx]

Didn’t he have an alibi ? He is icky lmao 💀

[@visualoo1918]

Yeah..of all my theories, there’s a nagging one in the back of my mind that it is actually Rusty…and then they’re going to pull a The Usual Suspects on us as he walks out not convicted. And the more I write this, the more I start to think it’s a strong possibility.

[@cpmow831]

Interesting misdirection!

[@CR_22]

Rusty was like “yo you gonna answer me damnit” 😂

[@CJB44]

Its for sure Raymond. The guy is suspiciously stressed out for seemingly no reason. I have a feeling his is the second sperm sample from the Bunny Davis case.

[@BrainPilot]

I've not considered that, but it would be an unexpected twist!

[@AbbasAli-vp7wn]

that's be one hell of a twist

[@Jakester1472]

How is he stressed out for no reason lol the life of his friend literally rests in his hands

[@aPLAGUE0113]

I found it odd how the child was there multiple times and never recorded anything up until the day his mother was murdered. The wife killed her.

[@Lordinos1992]

It’s the wife

[@cpmow831]

I’m going back and forth between the wife/daughter and Tommy. But I feel like Tommy is TOO obvious.

[@OrionTripp]

@@cpmow831The daughter? never thought of that. To me it’s been the wife from the start. Tommy is such an obvious choice which i understood from the first episode

[@marielollini9763]

It’s Rusty he dissociated

[@cpmow831]

@@OrionTripp I agree…USUALLY I can figure who the murderer is in these shows and I am nearly 99% accurate. But, this one has me stumped. The son has never really been a suspect and I’m fairly certain it’s not Rusty. So, if I had to rank it, 1. Tommy 2. Wife. 3. Daughter 4. Someone we have not thought of. It COULD be her son too. But I just don’t know. Either way it’s SO good! I love shows with tons of twists

[@georgec8040]

I think it’s too obvious to be Rusty, Tommy or Barbara. It’s more than likely someone who worked with her. So it could he Eugenia, Nico, Kumagai or even Raymond. Maybe Carolyn found out there was a cover up of the previous murder that she worked on with Rusty. She questioned and confronted this colleague and they killed her.

[@TeeTV22]

Carolyn was the one who covered it up….

[@pedropimentel5486]

carolyn covered it man.

[@imonymous]

Not sure about Barbara, but Tommy definitely screams red herring. But on the other hand it feels like such an obvious red herring it could be a double misdirection. One possibility I considered is they find an unexpected suspect near the end that seems to be the conclusion of the story, but then in the last moments it's revealed it WAS actually Tommy. Or Rusty. But that's already been done many times.

[@BrainPilot]

I like the fact the show has us thinking about multiple different suspects and questioning the red herring's as well. I'm excited to see who it's going to be

[@NEKORID]

Its the judge. Somehow she was involved in the case Poleymus hid and she didn't want it rising to light again. That's why she is pressuring both parties to come to an agreement

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

They’re throwing us in several directions right now- the other is that Rusty actually did do it and blocked it all out. That conversation he had with his daughter about blocking out mental trauma was meant to make us second guess his motives and he’s definitely got rage for it.

[@CR_22]

With Rusty they also showed us his imagining of the witness part 😂

[@kenarata1751]

It’s the daughter!! That scene with her father outside on the porch and the conversation she started referring to what she learned in her psych class about “Derealization/Depersonalization” and about how it’s a mental state where you feel or become detached from reality due to a defense mechanism that your brain uses in moments of strong trauma or panic….she asked her father about that in particular. At first I thought it was Tommy (I still believe he is the one harassing her at work & perhaps he was there the night she died, but he didn’t kill her). It’s the daughter or her father, Rusty since she asked him if he ever felt that? Maybe she witnessed it? Regardless it appears to be just an “ordinary scenes” in a dramatic episode. There’s reasons for everything & David Kelly is a master of his craft!

[@AbbasAli-vp7wn]

the son getting rid of his bike is sus

[@DistortedEmpath]

That's just her daughter suggesting he might have done it then detaching

[@divineinhalewithdonnacliff8112]

Yay. I missed you

[@noluthandozulu5007]

My suspect is the son…but that’s giving mare of Easttown

[@deeobrien5417]

I actually hope it’s not Barbara, the way she’s acted since the start really would not make sense that she did, it wouldn’t be worth the pay off of a big twist. It would make much more sense it would be actually rusty, Tommy, or one of the three kids than her, I genuinely feel it would be a cop out that wouldn’t make sense to anything we know about her character, that would drop my overall rafting for the series as a whole to play the whole thing up the way the have only to have “the wife did it” be the outcome. I don’t know if that makes sense but I binged the whole thing, first six episodes, today and that’s what comes across on a whole. The way rusty reacted to her kissing a guy, when he’s up for murder of the women he had an affair with, lied about getting back with when Barbara had forgiven him, got her pregnant, then before the kiss tells her she’s somewhat to blame when he’s the one who turned their life upside down, now she’s honest about a kiss and he gets physical with her… not good. And how crazy obsessive and weird he was about his side piece… I jist want Barbara and the kids and Raymond to come out of it as ok as they can be… which is why they’ll end up making it one of those be the killer. It’s tragic…

[@CR_22]

Jake is a monster man and it’s great to watch every week

[@jenniferlapidus2229]

I read the book and have watched the movie. However this new version is sooooo different that I am finding it very suspenseful. Plausibly, the murderer could turn out to be the same person, but there are so many differences. In the book no one except the wife knew about the affair; Caroline was sterile, not pregnant; Rusty hired a crackerjack criminal lawyer; there was a key piece of evidence that went missing…and on and on). So instead of being a retread of a story I know the ending of, it’s brand new.

[@skarasik4021]

I think it was the medical examiner. He would have known about the previous murder scene. He would also know how to clean up the murder scene.

[@prada8780]

How would a medical examiner know how to clean up a murder scene ?

[@Jairogliphx]

He’s exposed to the workings methods and techniques plus his years long of experience will no doubt make him catch certain things here and there . That’s an interesting theory I did not see that coming 😊

[@elaborateruse]

such great acting throughout

[@BrainPilot]

Yeah it really is!

[@mmnichole3115]

I was actually thinking Raymond did it, she was the one Caroline was really afraid of. In the first episode Lorraine couldn’t believe Raymond didn’t know about the affair and I thought maybe he did, he used that info to frame Rusty, He also made him the prosecutor immediately so the suspicions will grow and by becoming his lawyer he could make sure Rusty will go down for this! Tommy is probably a red herring. But after the heart attack I am not so sure anymore

[@goodkidinbadplaces7670]

no one is talking about Barbara going into the shed of their home which she locks. why did they show us that?

[@FlickerFusionRecog]

If the series is anything like the book or 90s movie then you’re right

[@sexycaze]

Yes, and she pulled out those 2 boxes and said you gotta go... maybe the murder weapon is in those boxes?

[@Jakester1472]

To throw us off I think I don't believe she did it I'm going to say it's Carolyn's ex husband as of right now but idk

[@Jairogliphx]

I mean I hear you but looking at it it’s her art pieces (artists are superstitious ) they hold value fear of them being damaged or stolen I would lock it too 🔐 🖼️

[@anomalyg]

I'm still wondering what Rusty is repressing. His behavior is incredibly selfish. I think Raymond said it best "you feel shame but not guilt" there is an entitlement that because he's in crisis everyone should understand. Yet he created the crisis and taking responsibility fully feels minimal at best. He tells half truths and it feels like something about that night he's leaving out. Barbara could be a misdirect. Moments I believe she is innocent and other times i think it's possible she could have done it. Now TOMMY he's a WHOLE MESS!! He is OBSESSED WITH RUSTY. Ironically they feel like two sides of the same insecure coin, only Rusty hides his better. Tommy feels serial killer scary and fixated. And he's lied about a lot or omitted. I think he set up the skin dna sample. He feels obvious as the one which makes me say he's a red herring. Remember when Rusty told Maya that Caroline was cold and he went home that she knew hope would get him to leave. He felt almost diabolical in that moment. If he did do it i suspect it's not proven but he remembers after the case is over and they win. Those are my theories. About to see episode 7. Love the breakdowns and theories.

[@Skeematic3]

It’s Barbara. They showed her going into locked pool house and that’s where murder weapon is. That scene meant something imo

[@weirdo6923]

Why cant it be her son i mean he was also there at her house and they were not close as she didnt want him to be with her

[@TikvahVered]

Look I believe it could be him or his father.

[@pasiya9878]

Did you read this novel?If you did I would really like to know which chapter should I read to know about the episode 6

[@CR_22]

I’m getting one step closer brother 😂

[@divineinhalewithdonnacliff8112]

I think it’s Tommy or the first woman he interviewed. She didn’t say what her convo was with the victim. But I thought Tommy from the start

[@jerilynwhite4289]

How many episodes will there be in presumed innocent

[@jennifercardenas4881]

8

[@Jakester1472]

Apparently more than 8 now since it just got renewed for season 2

[@zxz5044]

It's the wife

[@Sage-Em]

I don't know! I think Raymond being out for a while might be detrimental to Rusty's case. I feel like Raymond, as a fantastic lawyer, could have been Rusty's only chance. I agree that Raymond will likely survive - but he will not be back for the case.

[@iiLivingMeme]

I don't think we will find out who killed her. The show has been picked up for a second season and it's a "Who killed Laura Palmer?" vibe. Once the killer is revealed, people will move on.

[@jasonlloyd33]

The killer and plot of the story is well known and exists in book form and film so there isn’t really a mystery here. Do you think this version will depart that drastically from the book?

[@elliotcrane]

Of course it won’t, just seems like some people still want to enjoy the guessing game, let’em have a go.

[@BrainPilot]

I'm hoping that they will to be honest!

[@Jakester1472]

​@@elliotcraneif all movies based on books are the exact same as the books then why isn't everything from the dune books in the dune movies lol

[@elliotcrane]

@@Jakester1472 Never said the exact same. Obviously, books are too dense to be adapted without omitting a lot of stuff, and obviously there is room for changing many details (like having Raymond defend Rusty instead of a totally different character who’s not in the series). You just generally don’t turn the whole plot upside down.

[@carlyojean4757]

I think Raymond is the kids real Dad

[@howardjeffers7763]

100% was her son

[@BrainPilot]

There is something suspicious!

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

I think Tommy did it or Rusty actually did it- that conversation with his daughter about mentally blocking out things and he’s def got that rage inside him.

[@Dylan-c2h]

Is this show realistic ? I can’t decide

[@djay6610]

Why did they CGI his eyes when he feints go back and watch 😂 so out of place

[@judywright2733]

If this is a spin off of the movie with Harrison Ford then I know who did it!

[@youssefelallam5961]

Is this show worth watching ?

[@BrainPilot]

Yes, definitely!

[@baldbreezy2796]

Tommy didn’t do it. Rusty didn’t do it. It was her son’s father

[@SICKOx]

Why didn't you cover Episode 5?

[@judywright2733]

If this is a remake of the movie With Harrison Ford….. then I know who did it!

[@BrainPilot]

It might be different though!

[@CR_22]

ThinkStory isn’t even breaking this down so although he’s #2 for me after your channel it seems you’re just gonna have to kill it alone 😂

[@blahblahh1507]

It was the wife right? Am I crazy?

[@BrainPilot]

She's definitely one of the suspects!

[@CR_22]

Realistically for me the only reason I’m ok with big smart shows not being a binge is because I get to come here to watch these in between

[@izzyosborne2214]

Impression!!!!

[@fedaabed1980]

Why i feel the killer is tommy

[@BrainPilot]

It feels like that's who it could be!

[@elonmust8859]

So noone thinks it was rusty now ?

[@BrainPilot]

Right now, I don't think it is!

[@markyaus2011]

You really think it’s Tommy? That’s what the writers want u to think obviously. To me, it’s clearly the wife, Barbara. She’s a snake in the grass that one.

[@BrainPilot]

There was a period of time where I thought it was Barbara but i'm definitely thinking Tommy more now

[@hulkmad27]

@@BrainPilot tommy is too easy it a red hearing.

[@lindseystein9676]

I hope it’s not tommy. Too obvious. I think maybe Barbara or their son. Maybe Barbara and the son knows?

[@lilneets5141]

I agree. It would be too obvious to be Tommy. Im sure there is a twist. Or is it the other police woman Eugenea? She seemed jealous. I don't think Raymond is killer. His wife is fool. I would have left him just because he cheated on me and in pregnanted her. Id be like, good luck with this case.😅 ​@lindseystein9676

[@Sm00dyARugrat]

@@lindseystein9676I personally think it’s the daughter but I had that thought too

[@cat38497]

The killer is the daughter

[@Cam1dunks]

Soil alert she killed herself

[@saltus3367]

Thoery: It's Eugenia. Carolyn is bi-sexual and she's also been having a secret affair with Eugenia at the same time.

[@PunnuCooks]

Lmaoo legit

[@Jairogliphx]

Interesting but what would the motive be ?

[@TikvahVered]

Am i the only that thinks its the son or son's father that did it?

[@BrainPilot]

The camera constantly changing to the father was an interesting decision to make

[@hangmeon1234]

The killer is Tommy - mark my words

[@BrainPilot]

Seems like it could be

[@prada8780]

​@BrainPilot when is episode 7 going to release?

[@onnislash1]

If he died because of a heart attack, that's the lamest thing the show could do.

[@Trollberg]

she had a lesbian affair and the killer is a woman

[@Jairogliphx]

Maybe Rigo?

[@Educatingben]

Presumed innocent is a terrible show. The acting is terrible. The dialogue is terrible. The movie with Harrison Ford and Bonnie Bedelia is 100% better than this crap they are passing off as a limited series. I fell asleep during episode two. Horrific.

[@Jakester1472]

Did you just call gyllenhaals acting terrible?

[@prada8780]

Youre tripping

[@daughterofolaf]

JG is a fantastic actor but he was miscast here, in my opinion.

[@sherryhelal943]

It's a novel and it is Barbara who killed her, in fact there's a movie in 90s with same title like the novel. However, they might change it. As in fact they are giving his wife a bigger role than the one in the novel. It is not always about the endings anyway it's till we reach it from the aspects of dialog, acting, and direction. Till now acting is so fine, not very impressed by dialog and direction is average. Guys if u're into Crime series you shall not live without visiting ''True Detective'' season 1, nothing beats that masterpiece!

[@elliotcrane]

Anyone with half a brain knows about the book and the 1990 film. But that’s clearly not enough brain to refrain from spoiling the fun for those who want it. Maybe tell everyone about how true detective ends, now that you mentioned it, crime solving genius.

[@sherryhelal943]

​@@elliotcrane chill, and I didn't frame myself a ''Genius'', you just did, besides ppl are asking in the comments. As I said if you're watching for the ending, then don't bother watching any entertainment show, or you just skip to the end, while other ppl of taste watch for the whole aspects of a work of art and please try to work on your manners and stop attacking ppl from the screen of your mob. Clearly, you have problems need attention, or either you're just a teen with heightened emotions, but if you're an adult act like a one!

[@elliotcrane]

@@sherryhelal943 That’s called projection. There was nothing in what i said that resembles your description or even accounts for your reaction. All i did is point out that just because it’s so easy to find the answer, it’s not ok to blatantly parade it in the most visible way, so that even those who dont wanna see it do not have a choice. And THAT to me seems like some teenager trolling. If I am the teenager here, funny how I’m on youtube since 2006 since my early 20s. Why am I even engaging in this, lol

[@elliotcrane]

„people of TASTE watch for the aspects of the work of art” - god, you are so deep you forgot about those beneath you. And I just spoke on their behalf, it won’t happen again.