Pretrib Rapture; An Antitype of a Jewish wedding!

[@PhysicsTom2004]

The discussion of a pretrib Rapture can often lead to arguments, sadly All too often proponents of a midtrib, pre Wrath, or posttrib, Rapture, or no Rapture at all, become very aggressive towards those of us who hold to a pretrib view I pray that this video in the context of a 1st Century Jewish wedding brings some clarity to this (rather unnecessary) area of doctrinal contention?

[@Jim-d1f]

@@PhysicsTom2004 Two resurrections as in dead rising and two judgements. Both recorded in revelation. One hidden as with parable and prophecy. 1. The caught up, judgement seat of Christ. Hidden/mystery of Paul. 2. White throne, all dead not raised in the first. Blessed are those in the first, the second death has no power over them.

[@Jim-d1f]

@@hendrikjansevanrensburg8337 the ten virgins parable points to the mystery caught up first resurrection, with the next parable being rewards to the wise, and the third sheep and goats the second resurrection. Believers don’t stand before the white throne but before the judgement seat of Christ, the white throne risks eternal separation, that’s why those of the first resurrection are blessed and reign with Christ the 1000 years. All hidden within parables. Two deaths, one in our body, the other eternal. Some in the first resurrection don’t experience the first death in the body, those who survive and are alive and remain at His first coming.

[@Jim-d1f]

@@hendrikjansevanrensburg8337 that’s why Paul recorded it as a mystery resurrection (dead rise first). Believers return with Christ at Armageddon, meaning they were resurrected prior, its hidden within the revelation narrative, which Rev 20:4-5 also points to which includes the dead killed in great tribulation (5th seal), those who didn’t take the mark, and those who are alive and remain meeting the dead who rise first. All raised prior the 1000 years, the first resurrection, recorded but hidden as with all parable and prophesies. Hidden to keep the masses from understanding.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@hendrikjansevanrensburg8337 There are at least 10 Raptures in the Bible (I've done a separate video on these, Enoch, Elijah etc for example)

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@hendrikjansevanrensburg8337 The word 'rapture' comes from the Latin Rapturos A 'snatching away', taking away. As the word 'Bible' is not in the Bible, nor Trinity nor Grandfather, doesn't mean these have no Biblical application!

[@taekim7002]

I agree with your study. I’m ready for the soon rapture unto the Lord Jesus Christ. ❤😊

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Thank you for your kind words; me too, standing by, relinquishing any connection with this fallen world!

[@J.n.A.1993]

When I first heard about 1st century Jewish wedding and a pastor mentioning how the pretrib rapture would be antitypical of it (I think I was 12?) I immediately believed it. It's how God works, makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you for this video, brother!

[@PhysicsTom2004]

You're very welcome, I also heard about this a few years ago and thought now would be a good time to make a video!

[@93komuso]

Very interesting. I've never seen this connection before.

[@kdmcnelson5185]

Thank you, good teaching bless you brother

[@PhysicsTom2004]

You're very welcome Brother, may the Lord bless you and keep you!

[@beameup64]

The Galilee wedding was unique.

[@electroraptor71]

Yeah i've never understood why people believe in a mid trib rapture or end trib rapture. And some people even think that it's a bungee jump where we bounce up to meet Jesus then fall back down and suffer God's wrath. And I've had pastors and elders believe that junk...

[@PhysicsTom2004]

So have I! What about the Judgment Seat of Christ, where doe sthat fit in?!!

[@J.n.A.1993]

Myself I feel the trumpets mentioned in 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians are antitypical of the gathering trumpets of the tabernacle (One trumpet called the leaders, two trumpets called everyone, at the last trump, etc.)

[@tjrepalda]

Mohar = Christ finished work, Betrothal(Married but Separated) = Church Age, Nissuin = Harpazzo/Rapture and the Bema Judgement, Marriage Supper = the Second Coming of Christ. I could be wrong by these. Stay blessed everyone! 👊😊

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Thanks for this, much appreciated!

[@tjrepalda]

@@PhysicsTom2004 i thank you Sir. I never knew there would be a teacher that might see and teach such incredible parallels with the Rapture Doctrine and Ancient Jewish Marriage Tradition. Im not a bible teacher though, I could be wrong, for it is a mystery, but with my sudden faith in Christ, i feel my heart speaks to stand firm to what i believe could happen next. Again, thank you Sir. At least i know im not the only one sees these possibilities. Stay blessed Sir.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@tjrepalda You are so welcome Sir, and welcome to the Body of Christ, waiting for the Blessed Hope of the Rapture to be present with the Lord! We are living in challenging times and, as you rightly say, to stand firm in the faith is our calling now It's actually a great time to witness as so many people are seeing what's going on in the world and are asking questions We can give reasons for the hope in us trusting in our Lord and Saviour!

[@squig090888]

Matthew 24:29-31 shows us that there is no pre trib rapture, but rather that Christ gathers his church after the tribulation. This is how I understand it. I think you may need to look again at dispensationalism.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Thanks for this comment. I do agree with several aspects of dispensationalism, however not in terms of the hyper, mid-Acts, approaches and especially not for dispensational salvation. "Rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15) is a crucial approach but I'm acutely aware that dispensationalism is still a man-made approach to understanding the Bible and, as such, can be flawed. Let Scripture interpret Scripture as Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 2:13; "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." Please bear in mind to whom Jesus was speaking He was talking to his Disciples about the end times. The Church was a "mystery" as it had not yet been revealed, they still had the opportunity to accept Him as a nation, even after crucifying Him. The "cut-off" point was their rejection of the Holy Spirit before the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7:51; "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." So the tribulation period was "postponed". Paul's writings show that he was expecting to be snatched out at any time, hence pretrib rapture doctrine in his very first Epistle; 1 Thessalonians 4:13 to 18 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. ((dead in Christ)) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. ((dead in Christ)) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we ((saved believers only)) which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ((note; in the clouds, He doesn't touch the ground until the second part of the second coming)) Wherefore comfort one another with these words." This is for believers only Please compare this with Matthew 24:29 to 31; "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: ((totally different order of events)) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. ((ALL will see, unbelievers included)) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." ((different order of trumpet)) This then results in the "judgment of the nations", the sheep and goats as declared in the very next Chapter, Matthew 25:31 to 32 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left." After this the millennial reign. Thanks for this comment as you have inspired me to do a video focussing on this very topic, watch this space!

[@squig090888]

@@PhysicsTom2004 Thank you for your response. I am more familiar and in line with the millennial reign being a spiritual one, which is already in place. What concerns me especially is the origins of dispensational theology, it is historically quite a new understanding, and I have reason to believe it is connected with zionist roots. The schofield reference bible is the first place it was formally introduced. Before this the curcjes understanding of end times events had been pretty consitent. I guess my view on eschatology would be the Historical view. We are waiting on the second coming.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@squig090888 Thanks for this. I don't agree that the millennial reign is in place as the world is still in chaos, and Jesus is not seen reigning in Jerusalem from this throne, dealing instantly with sin? Peace in this time, not really! Agree with roots of dispensationalism! Yes we are waiting on the second coming, but this has two parts, the pretrib Rapture where Christ comes for His Bride (antitype of a Jewish wedding) then the 7 year Tribulation period, the worst period of history man has ever seen, then Armageddon, followed by the Millennial reign of peace and the constraining of Satan

[@squig090888]

@@PhysicsTom2004 I think the idea with the historicist millennial view is that it is a spiritual jerusalem, and Christ is reigning there nowsitting at the right hand of the father, and that all spiritual powers and principalties are subject to him, but the new heaven and the new earth have not yet come, as they will not come until he returns again to bring all things to an end. "1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." This sounds to me like he is reigning and will reign in heaven, until he comes again. I am still learning so forgive me if my explanations are lacking at all. I am glad to have this exchange so I can be moved to understand these things better. One thing that makes me wary of the interpretation you put forth is that we also have an antichrist figure who will come, and seemingly set himself up in the temple at jerusalem, so if people are expecting that to be the true Christ they could end up being deceived. "2 Thesselonians 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

[@stevent8314]

Paul wrote his books largely to Jews & Gentile “God fearers”. These Gentiles were those in the pagan lands who chose to follow Yehovah. They were not full converts who sought to become Jews. But they were followers of the true & living God of the Bible. Many were very influential & wealthy. Part of their good works were supporting the local synagogues. Remember Cornelius? They were more Biblically literate than the following influx of Gentiles into the “Church”. They knew the festivals, the Law and the Prophets. Paul mentions the festivals regularly in his writings. Those who were steeped in the OT scriptures picked up on the references.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Thanks for this input, much appreciated! Isn't the Bible just the most amazing book?! And the greatest gift of salvation!

[@MB777-qr2xv]

Revelation 3:10 says, “I will keep you from the time of testing coming upon the whole earth.” Sounds like pre-trib, BUT the word translated "keep" above is the Greek word "tereo" and it means “to guard by keeping the eye upon.” It does NOT mean to protect by taking us out before the tribulation starts. Don't take my word for it. Look it up for yourself. It's the same word (tereo) translated as 'keep" in John 17:15, Jesus is praying to the Father and says, "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should KEEP (tereo) them from the evil one." Does the Father remove the Christian or does He protect us by keeping His eye (His Holy Spirit) on us?

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Thanks for this, I too speak a little Greek! Although I don't use my limited knowledge to correct the KJV, as a Bible believer and not a Bible corrector

[@MB777-qr2xv]

@@PhysicsTom2004 Did I misquote either the Bible or Strong's concordance? Is tereo not what I said it was? I simply quoted the Greek concordance. Was I wrong in Quoting John 17:15? I did NOT give my opinion and I am NOT a Bible "corrector" as you accused me of being. AGAIN, I simply quoted the Bible and the Greek Concordance. So, apparently, you disagree with both.

[@dorinamary7863]

@@MB777-qr2xv Just wondering, shouldn't it be worded "keep you during the time of testing" if it doesn't mean we are to be removed? Since it says "keep you from", that implies removal.

[@pretribtruth]

Trying to understand the rapture? Paul spells it out for us. 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, ...by our gathering together unto Him.... 2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. ...day of Christ... 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ...that day (when we are gathered to Jesus/day of Christ/rapture)... will not arrive until the apostasy happens and the man of sin be revealed. He even warns you not to let any man deceive you in these matters. Peace, PTT

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Absolutely, the beautiful simplicity of the KJV, if people would only read it and study it as we are commanded so to do (2 Timothy 2:15)!

[@suichinggo8236]

True we are saved ONLY by grace, BUT: 1 Thessalonians 4:7 FOR GOD DID NOT CALL US TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. 8 THEREFORE, HE WHO REJECTS THIS INSTRUCTION **DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD**, WHO GIVES YOU HIS HOLY SPIRIT. And Matthew 24:45-47, Luke 21:36 Jesus is warning the "servants" to be found faithful when He comes unexpectedly, to pray to be able to escape, to be able to stand before Him. And the parable of the 10 virgins explain it more. As Jesus said He will not recognize all who calls Him Lord but doesn't do the will of the Father.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Thank you for your comments, much appreciated Firstly, please note that I only use the KJV as this is the perfect, pure, inerrant, preserved word of God for the English speaking people. As Russian is my second language, I can use that one as well, but it's a lot thinner as there are fewer expressive words in Russian than English! “For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit." (1 Thessalonians 4:7 to 8) So, how holy do you have to be? Or, how many sins can you do and still 'keep salvation'? Works don't 'get you saved', they don't 'keep you saved' and are not 'evidence of salvation'. Please note that there is no 'BUT' as you have stated, in salvation. Salvation, or deliverance, from Hell to Heaven is a one off event. Service to Christ, discipleship, is a lifetime commitment which we can either do or not do. Why else did Paul encourage the saved Christians in his Epistles (calling them 'saints') “This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” (Galatians 5:16) The Judgment Seat of Christ is where your works, since being saved, are rewarded (good) or burned up (bad). What is the audience in Matthew 24 and Luke 21? The Lord is talking to His Jewish disciples BEFORE His death, and hence before the New Testament (which came into effect after His death) “For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:17) I have often written my own 'last will and testament' which can obviously only come into effect when I die and not before. Matthew 7:21 to 22 states “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?” Notice the "works" element here? These people are drawing attention to their works contributing to their salvation which is why He says them in verse 23 "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" Salvation is ONLY through the finished work of Christ on the Cross ADD nothing, MINUS nothing And what is 'doing the will of the Father'? “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:47) There are over 100 references to believe, faith, etc in Christ in the Gospel of John alone John 3:16 for example?! My favourite one is John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” This is so simple, yet so profound. Our Lord was either telling the simple truth or He wasn't. You believe, you have everlasting life (eternal life, eternal redemption). DONE What about the greatest question asked in the Bible? (Acts 16:30 to 31) “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” Paul and Silas could have said ANYTHING; Faith + works, endure to the end, persevere, do more good works than bad works, get water baptised, join a Church, pay tithes, etc. etc. “And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.” Belief ONLY!

[@suichinggo8236]

@@PhysicsTom2004 Ephesians 2:10, 5:5-7, Galatians 5:16-21...… that they which do such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God. Matthew 25:31-46 What is the sense of: the Father making His "beloved" Son suffer humiliation and excruciating pain in death if it would be okay for him for us to remain as we were? The sinners offered atonement sacrifices (Leviticus 4) because they knew they sinned and desire to be forgiven by God. We should learn from what happened to the Israelites. God came to the point that in anger He allowed the temple to be destroyed, for it was the only place where atonement sacrifice was accepted. No temple, no animal sacrifices, and no animal sacrifices, no forgiveness of sin. God was wrathful, because God ordained the atonement sacrifice in mercy, for the repentant sinners to be forgiven and start life anew unburdened by guilt of sin. But instead of being grateful for the grace of God and live righteously, they turned atonement sacrifice into a "license" to keep on sinning. For the Israelites then, the temple mattered most for them to be forgiven of their sins, for us it's our Lord Jesus' judgement of our behaviors that would matter.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@suichinggo8236 OK so Lot was lost then? (Please see my video on Lot) And the Corinthian believers who lived wicked lives, profaning the Lord's supper and one sleeping with his Father's wife? Paul calls them brethren, that is saved! Sounds like you're extolling sinless perfectionism after being saved which is false, have you been able to stop sinning in thought, word and deed?

[@suichinggo8236]

@@PhysicsTom2004 We can never be perfect. But there's a difference between wanting to change though we sometimes fail, but try again, and a no desire to change at all. In the face of a temptation, the Holy Spirit reminds us who we are and we are made to choose who to follow our desires or our Lord Jesus. And if we choose to follow Jesus we can ask the Holy Spirit to help us resist to fall into temptation. And each time we win over our desires, we slowly gain control over that weakness, till we became free of it's power over us. As it was written, to save us from sin, not only of its consequence but it's power over us. So if we had no intention to ever change, why would God gave us the Holy Spirit? And why would the HOLY Spirit indwell us if we are contented to live in sin? That maybe is the reason why the 5 virgins were left behind, they don't have the Holy Spirit.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@suichinggo8236 Absolutely! Please don't confuse with me a lack of willing to change, I'm all for 'putting off the old man' and 'putting on the new man' as Paul tells us to walk in the Spirit and 'not fulfil the lusts of the flesh' But we're never going to be sin free until we go to the Lord or when He comes to collect us We can become sanctified by the Holy Spirit in our daily journeys as long as we allow Him to work in our lives. Thank you for your comments, by the way, much appreciated!

[@Jim-d1f]

Paul taught Jesus, not Judaism, like today those he spoke with knew nothing of Israels feasts, otherwise he would have explained them in the letters to clarify.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Granted about the Jewish Feasts not being mentioned in the Pauline Epistles But does that mean he never spoke about the Festivals? He certainly taught the pretrib Rapture so early on in his first Epistle to the very early Church in Thessalonika!

[@Jim-d1f]

@@PhysicsTom2004 pre mid post are man made timing terms, same as second coming. Revelation records two resurrections and two judgements, both recorded in revelation, the second white throne easily seen, the first hidden within the revelation prophecy, same with Jesus’ parables revealing two, recorded but hidden for those who ask, seek and knock.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@Jim-d1f yes they are man made terms, very much the words 'Bible', 'Trinity' and 'Grandfather', 'Rapture' etc which do not occur in the Bible! Just because the exact words or phrases aren't in the Bible, doesn't mean the doctrine isn't, e.g. the virgin birth Absolutely right with 2 Resurrections, and 2 Judgments, although I would add a 3rd Judgment, the judgment of the Nations at the end of the Tribulation, the Judgment Seat of Christ for believers, and the Great White Throne Judgment for unbelievers Do you not agree that the typology of a Jewish wedding in the 1st Century is incredibly telling on the timing of such a Rapture ending the Church Age and bringing in the Tribulation period, the very topic of my video?

[@Jim-d1f]

@@PhysicsTom2004 Two resurrections as in dead rising and two judgements. Both recorded in revelation. One hidden as with parable and prophecy. 1. The caught up, judgement seat of Christ. Hidden/mystery of Paul. 2. White throne, all dead not raised in the first. Blessed are those in the first, the second death has no power over them.

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@Jim-d1f Yes and also in Daniel 12:2 "“And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” (The companion in the OT to Revelation in the NT) Thanks for your comments, much appreciated!

[@BorisLandorf]

Joel Richardson did some great work in examining whether these claims about Jewish weddings stand up to scrutiny. Unfortunately he discovered that there is absolutely no support in ancient writings for these customs ever having taken place at Jewish weddings. Check out his very interesting KZbin video "Do Jewish wedding rituals support a pre-tribulational rapture?".

[@PhysicsTom2004]

Thanks for this comment However, I don't follow the opinions and words of any man outside the Bible, I'm just a humble KJV Bible Believer! Jesus' words in John Chapter 14, as well as Paul's writings in 1 Thessalonians, 1 Corinthians and Titus are enough evidence for me Funnily enough external secular writings don't often support the Biblical accounts....

[@hanimarsh5275]

That's kind of a weird response ​@@PhysicsTom2004

[@PhysicsTom2004]

@@hanimarsh5275 Sorry let me explain; Joel Richardson = man outside of the Bible Jesus = in the Bible Paul = in the Bible Secular/ancient writings = outside of the Bible I hope this helps?

[@robertlanders4935]

I wrote a paper that you may be interested in to assist you in this teaching. If interested contact me.