Wonderful job, guys. 🙂 Thank you for highlighting these concerns about JRC and Pastor John. As a previous member, it’s been utterly heartbreaking to watch the decline of John’s doctrine. May God cleanse the Church, bring about repentance and remind us to anchor ourselves in His Word. Proud of you, Grant. 🙌🏻
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
So thankful it was taken as we intended, and amen to that! Christ our sure and steady ANCHOR!
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
@Winterstonecalling Thank you!
@kimc19573 ай бұрын
Thanks.. precisely my thoughts. It scares me to know how few Christians these days eeem to have any discernent.. we dont follow anyone blindly. Moses, David and Solomon all made mistakes. No one is perfect and no christian should expect others to be perfect. Just be humble, ask for forgiveness if required and move on. God don't expect us to be prefect, He only expects us to respond in humility. In this shameful debacle, all I see is pride, blind defense, anger, lies and persecution..
@Once-lost3 ай бұрын
Well said, thanks for sharing!
@aubrey19954 ай бұрын
Thank you for having this conversation. It’s been tough work on the field here in Springfield, MO.
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry to hear, but praise God for you finding strength and wisdom in Him! We are praying for you!
@davidrix13704 ай бұрын
This is so interesting to me. I accepted Jesus Christ in 1978. Wow, how time flies! 46 years ago! I have seen so many cases exactly like the James River Church, John Lindell's recent debacle, it's almost routine. As a matter of fact, I live in the Pacific Northwest and am familiar with the Mars Hill Church, Mark Driscoll's old ministry. I had gone to a few services just before he was forced to resign in 2014. I lost track of him until this recent upheaval. It's so ironic that it is he who is at the center of this controversy. I fully agree with you guys, John Lindell should have just admitted he was wrong and apologized to the congregation but, nope, he seems to be going in the same direction Mark Driscoll did after he was confronted by the elders of Mars Hill Church. If I recall, Mark had very similar accusations, like the elders were dividing the church. Nope! They carefully and respectfully confronted Mark on many issues and he refused council. Now it's Mark Driscoll who challenged a senior Pastor who refuses to acknowledge an error in judgment! 47 years= *Shrug*
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
Heartbreaking indeed to see the continued problems within the church, but we know from reading the Scriptures, that this shouldn't be surprising. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) I'm also from Seattle and familiar with the Driscoll camp, and pray the Lord uses this to magnify HImself by bringing clarity and encouragement through His Word!
@andrewwoolwine10994 ай бұрын
Lindell also claims that Magala was witnessed sharing his faith at an airport.... this is either a LIE, or Lindell's people that witnessed this LIED or they don't know the Gospel, because Magala can not share what he does not understand.
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
Excellent point!
@Talletc3 ай бұрын
He lied lied and lied again
@Once-lost3 ай бұрын
@@Talletc He sure did!
@NancyWilliams-xv9fb2 ай бұрын
Amen! No one witness to him while he was here and that's sad! Alex is confused about salvation and being born again!
@Once-lost2 ай бұрын
@@NancyWilliams-xv9fb 💯
@cornpope18324 ай бұрын
This was a really important discussion...i think the situation screams 2 timothy 3....it's sad and i hope and pray that John comes to the end of himself so he can see God....because blessed is the pure in heart
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
💯Agreed!
@mtada3474 ай бұрын
To me, Pastor Lindell needs to do things in order: 1. Make it right w/Alex & John, 2. Confess to the General Council of the Assembly of God 3. take whatever punishment in the spirit of Psalm 51. Humbly resign.
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
That would be a great start and move to magnify Christ!
@ltburgess14 ай бұрын
1 Timothy 5:20 "But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. (See vv. 19-21 for context)
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
Amen & indeed. If only we lived the church enough today to truly follow through with this as members of one body.
@dr.lynnfaith23304 ай бұрын
I wonder if the movement toward Bethel doctrine was because of Lindell's health issues? And that he himself had a divine miracle in his own life, so after that, he gravitated toward Bethel?
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
That would be interesting to research. I'd have to talk to Grant about when and how John started leaning towards those doctrines.
@dianevaness47763 ай бұрын
Yes I thought the same . He was gravely ill and after his healing his messages changed dramatically.
@user-im7vf2rz7g3 ай бұрын
From an outside perspective a problem I see is JRC has one family with too much power in leadership and to many yes men. Seem more like a business church to keep money in the family. Reminds me of the High Priest and his father in law who didn’t like Jesus, and how Jesus was messing with the amount of money brought to the temple.
@Once-lost3 ай бұрын
Great insight!
@NancyWilliams-xv9fb2 ай бұрын
You are exactly right all five members of the Lindell family are on the payroll and there's a whole generation coming up behind the son's! It is a business a big business! When he retires he's already appointed his son's and daughter to run the church! You can't use just parts of the Bible you like and throw out the rest!
@FoxRunImages4 ай бұрын
“Fall on a sword moment” Unintended pun
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
indeed 😉
@katlookingup36254 ай бұрын
More & more people are picking up the Word, God’s beautiful love letter to all who believe 🙏🏻💕🙏🏻
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
My prayers are those that believe would love those that don't, enough to share it with them!
@evo54173 ай бұрын
I believe that JRC separated from the Assembly of God a few years ago, so I feel badly that they are dragged into any discussion of this situation. Have I misunderstood their relationship with the Assembly of God? Thank you for this video.
@Once-lost3 ай бұрын
Thank you for commenting! If you look on their "Statement of Fundamental Truths" page, they are still claiming to be a part of the Assemblies of God: jamesriver.church/fundamental-truths
@NancyWilliams-xv9fb2 ай бұрын
No you're right! It's JL church now! AG is hands off!
@MrMrscoffey4 ай бұрын
Look how. Many are being hurt needlessly
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
Indeed, by corrupt and deceitful shepherds that are not feeding the flock!
@user-im7vf2rz7g3 ай бұрын
Similar problems are slowing happening with the COG in Cleveland TN. In our organization we have no checks and balances however if admin. Writes a check then things balances.
@Once-lost3 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear, but praise God for the opportunity to minister to the flock while you are there. We dealt with a similar and though heartbreaking, God used it to grow great fellowship with others noticing the same and grew through it.
@MrMrscoffey4 ай бұрын
Some things are obvious…see lots of Pride and SELF protection… THERE WILL NEVER BE REVIVAL WITH THESE FLESH SHOWS…IT IS SHAMEFUL DEFINITELY NOT KINGDOM
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
We agree, the blatant lies and unbiblical teachings being allowed at James River are absolutely filled with self worship.
@dr.lynnfaith23304 ай бұрын
I'm sure there are key leaders within the A/G that have addressed him with their concerns privately, but I do not know about the institution. Although he did mention that he has spoken with the leadership of the A/G.
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
I'm absolutely sure they are talking privately and by not talking about it they are making a clear statement.
@dr.lynnfaith23304 ай бұрын
@@Once-lost I attended JRA when I was working on my grad studies at AGTS, from 2003-2007 I loved the church but I disagreed with his preaching on women in the pastorate. I too taught in their kids church, and in small groups, et., and my husband and I became members. This whole thing grieves my heart. I appreciate you all sharing about it.
@MrMrscoffey4 ай бұрын
JESUS HELP US ALL ..I HAVE BATTLED A JEZEBEL SPIRIT BECAUSE OF CHILDHOOD ABUSES…WE NEED JESUS DELIVERANCE AND MERCY..:these times are DARK AND VERY SCARY…BATTLE NOT FLESH AND BLOOD..Very powerful influencial RULERS AND POERS…just look at our gross lawlessness…and offense that we must protect our hearts!!!! NOT MAN PLEASING…allowing things to get tpooo big…BEING ON OUR KNEES PLEASE
@Once-lost4 ай бұрын
{Galatians 1:10 NKJV} "For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ."