PRGR Launch Monitor | The Swing Report

The PRGR Launch Monitor is a fantastic new, low-cost device that allows golfers access to in-depth information about their swing, including swing speed, ball speed, carry distance, total distance, and smash factor.
The PRGR Launch Monitor is available at 2ndswing.com at a low price: www.2ndswing.com/prgr/launch-...
0:00 Intro
0:45 Key Details and Specs
3:55 Testing
13:01 Final Thoughts
In this video, 2nd Swing's Thomas Campbell and Drew Mahowald test out the PRGR Launch Monitor and compare it to the numbers on Trackman.
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[@cheezburger6130]

RE-TEST guys and match the club to the one you are using. Hit the on off enter key, while it is flashing on the screen, toggle up or down to select the club you are using.

[@bjorneraker3261]

I made the same mistake when trying this out. It said my P-wedge went 180 but the unit thought I was hitting driver.

[@danielfrancoeur8345]

Did you notice that you can choose the club you hit on the device. While he was hitting a 7 iron, the device showed W1 for driver. That is where the distance inaccuracy comes from.

[@AlexSmith-sc5vj]

Love the video. Noticed you didn’t change the selected club on PRGR. I think it makes a difference in the carry calculation as the assume certain spin based on club selection.

[@bobsofia68]

100% it matters. They used the product incorrectly.

[@charlesbond4413]

You hit it. They are men, didn’t read the directions and used the driver setting to hit a 7 iron.

[@richardpietrafesa7972]

@@bobsofia68 i tried the setting with my irons and my numbers didn't match up to my yardages 8i ,110 9i ,120 yrds , when i set it at w1 my 8 is at 150 and 9 is at 140 which is on the number to how far i hit my irons, also have it set at 5 ft behind me..

[@dickbroomer7877]

Hi Thomas & Drew great 👍 Video 18month ago at the start of lockdown my son bought me the PRGR monitor & a set of speed sticks, Followed Thomas’s thr’o speed training gained 10mph with Driver, Now use monitor with all practice sessions it’s perfect for letting me know how i am striking it on the day (have my speed’s etc. on the box) it’s an essential tool for me now, thinking of updating to the new model which is more accurate, Thanks Thomas 👍Dickey 9hcp 75year Senior Golfer UK

[@jzm5014]

Thank you for sharing....I have this device and really like it!

[@starks1974]

I kept looking at getting this after seeing other reviews and this is certainly a good measurement to help increase ball/club speed. You should know your optimal distance if your ball speed is X amount, so being off a few yards is no big deal, plus with range balls you focus on the mechanics that hopefully translates to the course. Bonus points that you can use this in your house without hitting a ball!

[@cannonfodder4]

I thought you had to change the club selection on the PRGR to get better carry results? Its set to 1W (driver) for the sand wedge and 7 iron shots

[@jacksoni349]

Ahh, the icon at the top left of the PRGR? Maybe they will have to do some re-testing for the yardages.

[@MAGFAM6]

YEah..they should have changed the clubs to SW and 7I - I think it would change the Carry distances...they were getting too much carry with it being set to W1 Wonder if they can compare it to the original PRGR (that I have) to see if the new one is any better? love the videos 2nd swing..keep up the great work!

[@sbarth846]

Yep they definitely needed to do that

[@jacksoni349]

@@MAGFAM6 I would assume switching to the other modes for the SW and 7iron would put the PRGR in window for the distance to be around approximately

[@guillermomercado1902]

Hitting every club on the driver setting isn't ideal. I own one and find it's really good on carry with most clubs. The wedges is where it loses some distance accuracy.

[@Brewtal2009]

I have PRGR and love it - for info Ib think it got the carry distances wrong as you need to set the club first on the PRGR. You had it set at W1 (driver) shown in top right of screen. As I understand it the algorythms (based on pre-=programmed loft and spin numbers) are different depending on club selected. Hold down Enter and uses arrows to scroll through the clubs.

[@MrUlfdub]

Thanks for the in depth reporting. By now you obviously realize the monitor MUST be set to each iron hit for distance. It would be great if you consider doing a multiple 7 Iron test (3 irons) using weak to strong lofts on the 7 iron setting. You could then pick the most accurate results based on LOFT and perhaps see if the stronger lofted club needs a 6 Iron setting and so on. This would be appreciated.

[@dbeasleyphx]

I have the PRGR using it outdoors at the range. PRGR picks up about 80% of swings in my experience. I’m looking at other monitors at the next price point up hoping for more accurate info.

[@LifeLover2020]

Do you have the newer 2021 version or the older version?

[@stevefurniaux9978]

I think it done incredibly well seeing as you had the unit on the floor rather than elevated and didn't change the club selection at all. Strange how the carry was closer when you actually had a driver in hand rather than a wedge or 7 iron.

[@josephmcgee1454]

I have the older model of the PRGR. The carry distance seems to be calculated based on the club selection in the device. The video appears to show that Driver (W1) was selected for all the tests. I recently had a mental lapse while using mine at the range and left it on "I7" (seven Iron) after I had switched to hitting Driver. It took me a few minutes to grasp why my Driver was only carrying 203. After I realized I had the wrong club selection, I switched the PRGR to Driver (W1) it showed a gain of 40 yards carry. But I really think that head speed and smash factor are really the only two values worth using.

[@jayfangRSA]

I noticed this "W1" setting as well on the video as well. I use PRGR and if you want to look at carry then MUST select the right club where it will use a sensible spin profile. I do not use PRGR for gapping but rather efficiency of strike and consistency,

[@josephwirtz8352]

Drew, you have a nice swing! I think this is the first I’ve seen you swing on the channel…

[@waynepark4430]

That was awesome. Impressive.

[@mastnasty2861]

Always outstanding. How they only have 44k subscribers is beyond me...

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching. 44k is only the start - Thomas

[@franidelaserna]

Good video guys!

[@dougcarroll7502]

If you set the monitor on the box it came in (or anything to raise it a couple of inches) it reads distances much more accurate.

[@skesno309]

just received this yesterday. I compared it to the garmin r10 that i have. The ball speeds were identical to 1 mph off and thats it. However the swing speed was read low on the prgr by 2 to 4 mph just about every time. Makes me wonder if prgr meaures at impact and garmin before impact. I can't seem to find out the details

[@daviddenton6033]

On other versions of launch monitors you can put the loft of the club information into the device to get better accuracy in the display.

[@derekramp]

Great video. Would love to see a compare of the Full Swing Kit to Trackman and/or GC Quad. Based on the metrics the Full Swing Kit offers, if they're accurate, it could be the first launch monitor to provide club data at price point many people can justify. Just want to know if the club data is accurate before dropping $4k!

[@DaveFogel]

Full swing kit is not good. Read the mgs review. It's way off. Get a gc3 instead. Plus full swing does not work indoors and can't be used fir a sim at this time.

[@jeffsharp104]

Have to set it to the club you are using. Is it always right on the money? No, but when you hit it in the center it’s pretty darn accurate. Off center hits affect the calculations.

[@cosmicheretic8129]

I was going to buy this for gapping but after watching this and noticing carry is not accurate I will do it in a fitting room instead. Excellent review as usual!

[@enzy6434]

Dude just go to a indoor golf sim place and rent a trackman for an hour to get your distances for ur gapping, will cost you like 30 bucks.

[@paulgeppert4559]

how does using range ball influence measurement accuracy compared to using premium balls?

[@peterharrison7152]

I stopped watching when they started testing using the wrong club setting…they used driver instead of lob wedge. The club setting is used in the carry/total estimate algorithm. You have to change the club setting whenever you change your club. I have the newer version. It’s great. Especially for inside 80 yds. Old version can’t see most wedge shots. I also use it in garage to calibrate wedge distances based on my known relationship between club speed and distance. Fantastic practice tool.

[@TGO88Video]

you have to select the club type, in the video during the 7 iron test, it says wood 1....

[@yogamon]

I would say carry distance doesn't matter much with most devices. Club head speed, ball speed really matter, especially ball speed. Launch angle, spin also mean more than estimated carry distance.

[@markk171]

What unit would you recommend for club speed, ball speed, spin and relative accurate distances but won't cost thousands of dollars? There are no facilities near me with tracman or GC Quad, etc.

[@gunnyg3417]

I own one and I really like it.

[@DaveFogel]

The Carry distance on there seems to be useless, but the ballspeed and swing data are pretty good. Who knew Drew was such a beast.

[@cheezburger6130]

It would help if they had the proper club selected on the monitor. Looks like it was set on driver with all the clubs they used.

[@DaveFogel]

@@cheezburger6130 true but even with driver selected with driver, it was 20+ yards off

[@yogamon]

Yeah I only use this for ball speed and club speed. The distance I would say is almost useless unless you're ok with an educated guess. It doesnt know height or launch angle

[@TicoToni13]

@@DaveFogel this guy was having 117 mph swing speed but hitting it all over the place. Hard to get solid data that way…

[@ricblic901]

I have the PRGR, I use it to check the gap between my irons, and work on club head speed with my woods, this unit uses doplar radar to measure club head speed, everything else is extrapolated from that number, and your right it assumes you hit the center of the club each time, I find it a useful tool

[@josephwirtz8352]

Ric, if it assumes center hits, then that’s actually makes sense to me. I say this because I would want one for gapping clubs as well, and I do my current yardages based on center hits.

[@ricblic901]

@@josephwirtz8352 right it measures club head speed so that should be accurate, it's not the GCQuad, but it's a handy little bugger

[@josephwirtz8352]

@@ricblic901 I’ve been waffling for over a year on buying a launch monitor, and am now seriously considering buying this one. I would like more features/readings, but I think this will suffice. I especially need to get yardages for the wedges to include 1/2, 3/4, and full shots. It seems like this will do that, correct?

[@ricblic901]

@@josephwirtz8352 like most lower end monitors it reads clubhead speed and extrapolates that info, but it is accurate doing that so it is helpful gaping clubs and giving confidence when hitting the ball, and isn't that what we all really want, it's a tool, it's how you swing the club that's important, not how hard, that will come with reps

[@gjsmedia1040]

By not adjusting for the club you used each time you switched the carry was off. Adjusting for the actual clubs brings the carry variance 3-7 yards. Pretty solid.

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching. Yes we did need to switch the club for more reliable distance numbers - Thomas

[@zackoakes6382]

What would be another option that has more accurate carry and total, but still maintain the spot on club and ball speed ?

[@napkimplz5416]

When you swung without a ball and captured your club speed, was it accurate to your normal speed?

[@wayneharvett6170]

I found that my clubhead speed when hitting a ball is significantly higher than when swinging with no ball.

[@DaveFogel]

Also, I took my GC2 to the range and even against a MEVO+, the $2000 Mevo was wrong by 20 yards on a 7 iron! I have found almost all LM are the same with ballspeed. Club speed varies, but this unit is pretty impressive with club speed.

[@yogamon]

That is what I've noticed. The club speed can vary because what part of the face you talking about. I have the old school prgr lm and the club speed is consistently about 3 mph high and from what I know it measures peak speed meaning the toe. I also had the sport sensors swing speed meter and consistently high to flightscope, although they compare.

[@yogamon]

Ball speed is one of the best metrics to follow and that seems pretty easy to measure for even these $200 dollar devices

[@Barney29508]

What sort of warranty do you get with this device? If it develops a fault, who do you refer to?

[@nmelectricalservices262]

Helps when u test you change monitor to correct club

[@BAA3595]

Does it measure your swing speed if you aren't hitting a ball. Can you just swing and use it to measure club speed only?

[@cameronloveless1751]

I would choose the Garmin R10 based on reviews I’ve seen. Also very accurate on club and ball speed like PRGR, but in addition you get “decent” launch, apex, carry, total, spin, path, attack angle, club face etc… A lot of extra data for not that much more $. The carry numbers on PRGR are downright misleading, to the point of being meaningless (the way I strike the ball everywhere but the centre most of the time 😢)

[@MrMartwy]

I have both. R10 is on another planet... Although it is still not Trackman 4, but R10 gives you tons of info plus it can work as a simulator quite well. In fact, compared to trackman 4 from all data I use it misses only low point and impact location. R10 is a really great piece of technology and recently got better with updates. If you can find one to buy ;-) In my country, they go second hand for like 150% MSRP. I use it basically as a driving range training support. It is good to know why this last ball was so short and curved so much ;-) I've recently bought PRGR for like $60 (dunno why on amazon it is now selling this so cheap) - but the data is very basic. And I keep getting really low readings (like -10, -15 mph club speed from my normal reading) with irons swings without a ball. I guess this "no ball" mode works better only with a driver.

[@cameronloveless1751]

@@MrMartwy great insights, thanks. I’m in Australia and can’t get any new stock. Used ones selling for at least 30% more. Guess I’ll just keep waiting…

[@No_Fear_33]

Does it measure tempo?

[@chrismalicki6579]

You forgot to adjust for club being used. The setting was W1 for all clubs.

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like that adjustment may provide more accurate distance numbers - Thomas

[@randallsiedschlag1036]

Ya, you guys need to redo this like others say. Need to toggle to the proper club. Its why your 7i is so off. Strange the wedge wasnt worse

[@julia-6195]

So basically what I'm seeing is that if I want carry distance is to go to a range with Top Tracer or book some time with my instructor to use his GC Quad.

[@2ndswing]

Depends how accurate you want your numbers. If accuracy is important Trackman & Quad both are very good

[@s18169ex3]

I did not see you change the club selection on the device

[@2ndswing]

Good point. It does effect the estimated distance depending on the club selection - Thomas

[@PedroGarcia-xh6bk]

Does IT measure practices swing without a ball

[@2ndswing]

Yes! I only use this device for speed training without a ball - Thomas

[@wayneharvett6170]

I found that the swings without a ball are slower than with a ball. Weird I know, but that's my findings.

[@golf4fame]

Looks like you guys didn't change the actual club you're hitting. It stayed on ""W 1"" for every hit. That's why the cart distance didn't match up. It calculated the roll.

[@tonyfrostad2730]

Your club setting is incorrect for a 7 iron that will effect the readings

[@HATAH23]

It usually helps when you change the settings on the monitor. When you hit wedge and 7 iron, you had it on driver. 🤦🏻

[@bradfriedman9398]

Can’t you tell device what club you are using ?

[@kymstock1852]

yes you need to adjust the PRGR for each club to make it work better

[@randymahony8157]

In my opinion, these

[@oscardarlington790]

You didn’t change the club for the 7 iron, thats why it was going too far. In the driver setting it expects the ball to go further

[@user-oj9kd9pe8g]

You never changed the club selection to correct club. This uses the club in its calculations of distance too.

[@NoelPrendergast]

Make sure you have the correct club selected on the PRGR

[@bigboots6114]

they forgot to change what club on the monitor

[@randymahony8157]

In my opinion a launch monitor that can't calculate the correct carry is an expensive paper weight. I bought a swing caddie and it was worthless. It's about gapping and how far you hit each club.

[@jacksoni349]

They had it in the wrong setting I think.

[@barrycole5930]

Interesting that you didnt test this without a ball. I got this today for speed training with speed sticks, here is what i noticed so far with 30mins testing, note that my driver swing speed is known at an average of 102mph: 1. Driver speed when hitting a ball is similar to my known speed. 2. Driver speed with no ball is around 10mph lower at around 92-95 at best. 3. 8 iron swing with no ball is around 82mph 4. 8 iron swing speed with a ball is over 100mph! But carry is right(ish) Yes i am changing the club on the device to W1 and I8. This data is wildly inaccurate making me wonder if i can reliably use it for just logging gains assuming i use only the device ans ignore its 10mph lower speed, if i pretend thats my baseline and see a 5mph gain does that mean i am actually gaining 5mph on my real speed of 102mph? Who knows…! Finally i know the speeds are way off with driver as a) its higher with a ball, b) have been tested on gcquad, c) i have a launch monitor that doesnt measure club but accurately measures ball speed to within 1mph, and that shows driver ball speed of around 155mph which is impossible with a sub 100mph swing speed, certainly a 95mph one. All in all, im very underwhelmed with this device.

[@garlandxx3400]

Hits 7 iron 197. . . 197 😑

[@guysmiley1757]

No way that dude is hitting a 7 iron 195…

[@DensyL01]

Bought one in 2021. Works poorly outside when it's hot weather. Not recommending this product

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for your feedback - Thomas