Can You Beat Final Fantasy 2 Using ONLY Magic

[@pheonixmmkc]

I did thiss challenge about a year ago in the NES version, the bugs in the nes version make it so much more fun

[@Nevict]

I like how leveling works in FF2.

[@MienpraKhmertomtom]

by attack oneself.

[@devinbuettgenbach2941]

Before I even watch this: Yes you can, I have done it. Turning everyone into uber mages is hilariously broken if you are patient enough. Also tossing in some bare knuckle shenanigans makes it even better because then you can essentially make a team of Fairy Tail dragon/godslayers

[@reloadpsi]

Helps that being barehanded makes your spells more effective.

[@Cyril86]

@@reloadpsi Wait, it does? FF2 is weird, man.

[@RoninCatholic]

Any armor stronger than Mythtil also makes your spells weaker.

[@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257]

Oh hey. I like Fairy tail.

[@SaanMigwell]

I did it once too. I think I was 24. Destroyed FF2. Me and one of my soldiers took turns grinding at outposts with a GBA.

[@DumBinchJuscal]

As someone who has done challenge runs in ff2, i was like: "Oh yeah, that will be easy" Then it hit me; "Wait, we aren't just spamming Berserk, Haste, and Aura in this run"

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

You don't even need that much if the optional dungeon is there to get the character unique weapons... or can do the matching minigame after getting toad to lv16

[@michaeljohnson6905]

Two streamers on Twitch, who do an annual series replay with entry specific challenges, just did a run of II with no magic or swords. It was pain x]

[@mr.katain4095]

I actually like this game- it's a shame it gets the amount of hate it does. I have liked all the FF games (yes, 8 and 13 as well). This is an interesting challenge to tackle in this game!

[@Primalliquid92]

i agree FF2 is actually in my top 5

[@knightsurda]

FF8 is the only final fantasy I loathe playing, but thats due to my ineptitude as a child getting to disc 4 at level 100 wondering why the game just keeps getting harder, was the max level higher or was I undergeared? Nope turns out im a dumbass and made the game unwinnable and because im so stubborn I refuse to play the game again from the start to fix my mistake ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 2 isn't bad once you get the ball rolling, it takes a bit to get there though and not a lot of people have that kind of patience.

[@Iavasechui]

@@Primalliquid92absolutely love ff2 so fun to just break the game ^_^

[@uidsea]

If there's a way to speed up the grind, always do it. We aren't trying to make you waste hours for no reason.

[@gotdangedcommiesitellyahwa6298]

You're an absolute madlad for subjecting yourself to this, but I'm all for it. Also, the FF series really loves to use the "boss burns down towns" trope.

[@Buff_Marksmen]

It hurt my soul to see you put so much armor on them because it actually lowers their magic damage considerably. If you make them just have mage armor then their damage will sky rocket. Makes the challenge a bit easier because you can one rotation most enemies

[@locke103]

Ha... imagine if the Int/Soul penalty were still a thing

[@randydapurpleboy]

@@locke103 true, they removed these penalties in future releases (from GBA onwards, correct me if im wrong) but what armor actually DOES is reducing your evasion significantly (also the chance of increasing evasion is diminished you basically will not increase evasion ever) when i play ff2, first thing i do is remove armor, helmets and others to get high evasion, and if you wanna crank up the evasion some more put in your left and right hand shields, also always get better shields since the better the shield, the higher your evasion increases (your evasion also increases whenever your weapon level goes up characters probably learn how to parry with their weapons which could be the reason for that.)

[@Redmage913]

Pixel remaster makes this more difficult by dual shielders having a melee attack each round. It boosts more stats, which is nice, but you can’t abuse the full shielding attack rounds any more. The other rebalancing has been quite nice. I turned off HP boosting, and am playing it straight through. I accidentally did the ocean cave way too early, but I’m about to go back to Altair to begin the fake Hilda arc.

[@AstrumKitten091]

I only seen the start so far. But Teleport in this game is OP it can teleport a lot of endgame bosses at high levels.

[@benjiiiiiiiii]

Yep there's not much it can't get, IIRC it's just undead, flans, golems, and some unique bosses that are immune.

[@HarbingerYT]

I'd love to see you do a Challenge run for World Of Final Fantasy. Maybe beating the game as only Lann and Reynn?

[@mekataclsim6215]

The thing with pixel remaster ff games is they are more for nostalgia purposes,not quite for challenges for general playthrough. This is the only problem i have about pixel remastered FFs. Good to know that people think out side the box lol. Good vid.

[@strategyplayer1988]

Currently playing this all the way through for the first time. Loving the game!

[@rommyremus9650]

I enjoyed this game. I liked that every battle mattered because of the way you got stronger. What you did during a fight actually mattered. Very different very 😎

[@starpowerel7172]

if you like ff2 i highly recommend the saga series, they have pretty similar level up system and all sorts of cool diffirent gimmicks you can use

[@MinervaNeuhart]

Flare in FF2 is essentially a black magic equivalent to holy. Both do physical damage.

[@Valerik01]

It's nice to see one of these challenges that actually looks fun to play. Lol

[@SpJrD]

Nice! I like your challenges!!

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

I've spent an uncomfortable percentage of my lifetime trying to level up magic in this game.

[@deathblade32]

I did a double equip of shield, fought the commanders, then spammed attack 100 times, swapped the shields out for weapons, to power level weapons so they could be 16 at the start of the game

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

@@deathblade32 I might have to try that.

[@deathblade32]

@@ZeusTheIrritable With the way the leveling formula works its for weapons is (Current battle rating - current weapon rating) + 10 + actions in combat (cap 100) The max xp needed for weapon level is 100 so this guarantees a level up since the commander is a 5 combat rating that doesn't run away

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

@@deathblade32 I always did the tried and true method of beating the snot out the party with a single weak enemy watching in confusion.

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

If you're patient enough, you can get ultima to do over 9000 damage. And no, I'm not saying that cause of the meme. This game is so hilariously easy to overgrind in. I knew this wouldn't be that much of a challenge unless you intentionally keep stats low. Even a SINGLE character can do this run easily if you're grinding enough.

[@imperiusvogt9740]

I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos, always nice to watch ff challenge runs. I've been playing them for 30 years, and never have I become bored with them. Excellent

[@aarondeemer5610]

Solid, now looking forward to Solo Magic Only 😀

[@benjiiiiiiiii]

It's probably faster to solo the game since menuing just Firion over to Teleport away all foes in one action is way faster than menuing four characters all game.

[@zakatalmosen5984]

I love this game so much... Maria: "Hey Firion, how are we going to get strong enough to defeat the Emperor? Are we going to slaughter scores of demons in some remote dungeon for training?" Firion: "Nah, let's take a walk outside Altair and beat the shit out of each other for hours while a goblin watches. Also, we should probably be naked. Oh and constantly rain fire down on us during the whole session." Maria: "I think we should see other people."

[@benjiiiiiiiii]

This is actually my favorite mainline FF

[@MrGaiakid]

The way he says "Lamia" is like nails on a chalk board to me. It's "La-Mia" not "La-MeyeAh"

[@reloadpsi]

I think at this point he's doing it on purpose as he's got a lengthy KZbin career of mispronunciations and malapropisms. Once you get used to it it's quite charming.

[@brentrichard9529]

@Primalliquid idk if you ever knew, but there is a hidden mechanic for magic damge that is based off what your armor weight. I learned this from another youtuber HCBailly, he has done alot of research for finding out all the mechanics of the game and the heavier your equipment is the less magic damage you do. I cant remember if its magic accuracy or actual base damage. If you need more information on it, i highly looking at HCBailly's FF2 videos to get some information on that.

[@locke103]

A lot of earlier FF games used early D&D elements. As in, consider what armor does. It protects you, yes. But it weighs you down. Magic requires focus, maybe specific hand movements. If armor hinders their ability to utilize magic, of course potency will drop faster than the soap in a federal prison. Imagine a Cure10 targeting your whole party, and everyone only recovers 30-ish HP per cast. That's the system at work. That's the "design flaw" that adds a bit of logic to how fantasy elements COULD work.

[@raddie1799]

this is a challenge that i would love to try myself too, so thank you for making this vid!

[@PunkStar767676]

Thanks for your videos. They help my sanity regularly.

[@SaanMigwell]

FF2 would've surpassed FF originals had square released it in the US. I'm just thinking about my 10 year old self. The modern gripes would not have existed, and we would have thought the system was the "best" rpg system. I was a nerd though, most of my friends preferred SMB, Contra, Life Force, Tecmo bowl etc. But my best friend named after Lake Tahoe, well; we found, rented, and beat every NES rpg we could get our hands on. Never beat Tombs and Treasures though.

[@ZorotheGallade]

Guy broke the challenge rules when he spoke beaver. Speaking beaver is not a magic spell.

[@JosephJohnson-gu5fw]

I find it funny how everybody always talks about how final fantasy 2 is one of the worst games and yet I'm finishing it up right now and it's one of the favorite games that I've ever played I think. I realize that the original version may be not quite as polished and accessible as the pixel remaster but the pixel remaster version that I'm playing is a great game and I am very much enjoyed it

[@Rain-sr9pp]

Great song choice for the video

[@KainDrake]

Hey, you defended with Gordon. You broke your own rule. 😆

[@Sombrelame]

i just finished FF2 PRand i found magic completely broken most of my melee attacks were really weak against bosses for some reason, must be something i didn't understood while my magic user was fine for almost the whole game (only exception is the red soul) no joke my melee were doing 100 on the final boss while magic nuked it also i barely did any farming, most of my run i just used magic during all fights and my mp/int/spells increased naturally, by the time i was at the cyclone, fire/blizzard/thunder were lv8 anyways, love your content, keep the good work

[@keithmccall2902]

I'm always impressed by the magic only runs without ethers.

[@callmehkyle6609]

I started an “attack only” ff2 run. Was planning on doing a magic only run after because I hate myself.

[@annikamyren3026]

😂

[@staren1991]

now the question is... can you beat FF1 with 4 black mages ?

[@reloadpsi]

I've done it. I didn't have fun.

[@AstroTibs]

17:57 You chose "Defend" with Josef. Maybe your rule set needs to be fleshed out more.

[@MechaOracle]

I love FF 2 because it's the first of the "junction" FF games (FF2, 6, 7, and 8) and was so ahead of its time. With a proper leveling system for the characters, or at least a less bad one, it would be even better. I did a no grind challenge once, basically had to plan out every step and take the shortest distance between two points. It was 1.5 hells.

[@marcosaguilar5622]

I was honestly looking for this challenge a week ago and was sad to not see anyone do this haha. I commend you

[@sergioontiveros4984]

FF2 had one of my favorite mechanics in the use it to level it mechanic

[@DaGreatBrandonie]

Are you ever going to platinum the other pixel remaster games?

[@DerTiefenentspannte]

FF2 has many flaws, but i still like it. You made yourself a real Challenge there. Every weapons exept staff and knife, every shield and every heavy armor lowers your magic. Attack and healing. This effect stacks, so the more you have equipped from the above, the weaker you'll get.

[@johncameron1935]

You know, looking at Josef there, that didn't look like a spell. Looks like that run is invalid doesn't it?

[@patbrown783]

Hands down the best FF

[@quinkelly1441]

Getting ultima to level 16 take a long time the grind is real.

[@reloadpsi]

Thankfully it's actually worth it in this version.

[@polaris5554]

Ff2 is a great game I love breaking this game.

[@Azarif367]

Great video!

[@000Codex]

Just signed up for a monthly Ko-Fi and I can honestly say that using the speed up for grinding (time and xp) is only a good thing. Means less grief for you and more video for us.

[@kalythai]

I would suggest a fists-only FF2 run but that might be too easy.

[@reloadpsi]

Yep :P

[@abluejazz2680]

I remember doing this on NES with my best friend during highschool. It's easy if you know what magic Is broken and make it easy.

[@danielhartmann2425]

I love FF2 and 3 from the pixel remasters!

[@JuliaSin]

In honor of rule 3. Praise to the Baha!

[@AwsserGaming]

Hello , you say the magic is weak but i'm prety sure the magic damage is nerf if you equipe gear, you should try too remove equipement on 1 character and test if the damage change

[@godsplayingfield]

FF3 onion knight only. pixel master version. good luck lol (honestly think this would be nigh impossible without grinding to jblvl 99 at the very start. dont even get spells in the pixelmaster like the 3ds versions. but the reward would be getting the onion gear and making the final boss beyond easy)

[@pheonixmmkc]

I've done blue jobs only and it's quite a struggle, outside of NES glitches, I don't think it's possible

[@theoryjoe1451]

If you're thinking a solo Firion run is worth doing, it's not as hard as you think. Since you're the only target, your HP raises faster.

[@Primalliquid92]

i know that was why i did magic only instead of solo character

[@sebastianlucas704]

It's not hp, it's evasion. Evasion is busted in this game. Just get it up to 5-50, and watch as most attacks miss you. Evasion also snowballs in levels. This means, it levels up faster later on. 8-99 make you nigh untouchable.

[@senjo39]

I believe soul of rebirth ff2 expansion on the gba was more challenging for me. You use the dead characters from ff2 and if you didn’t level their stats and spells you were screwed

[@cj_skywalker]

i really need to get back to work on this game's trophies. :)

[@Azenatrail]

Have you heard of Etrian Odyssey?

[@kiriannapatrick7243]

Yay! You did it!

[@kingheenokgaming4783]

The hard part is never ever bosses. Its the fight to get there so if you use no encounter this game is too easy.

[@mindlessmeat4055]

I actually really liked ff2

[@Narutsist]

What's the background music?

[@DuckAvenger]

Commenting at the start of the video but seems like one of the easier challenges. Just got to get good at casting magic with 2x speed and you will get the 10k max in no time.

[@Naldito15]

Can you beat ff7 only using chocobo mog

[@nemeziskill]

Isnt early magic only hard on gold? I think that with no x4 gold drop you would run out of money on healing mp compere to gold got from monster. Or did they incrise gold drop on pixle remaster

[@Anime-Doom]

Love these challenge and Overpowered videos but please change up your music a little, as good as FF9's soundtrack is it's not the only one with a God-tier OST and no matter how good a song is it's never a good idea to have it be the only one in the background for an entire video.

[@mindlessmeat4055]

I think the spell is barrier, doesn't that block a lot of stat debuffs? I think I recall a spell that blocks some.

[@locke103]

Aura, which was glitched in the FC version

[@rocketmaster23]

Im guessing toad and mini dont act as instant kill spells in this version of the game since thats 100% what i was expecting to happen lol. Guessing its only original and ps1 anthology versions

[@Abysslover91]

It's in the nes version too

[@rawcoustic1718]

What version is this?

[@locke103]

It's in every version

[@retronemesis7064]

Can you beat ff2 using only drops?

[@djrakman3909]

DO FINAL FANTASY 8 WITH ONLY MAGIC NEXT....

[@Primalliquid92]

i have done... check the playlist int he description xD

[@djrakman3909]

@@Primalliquid92 I could only see the requiem and ragnorak mods. i could not find a FF8 magic only challenge....

[@frodofranz]

if you needed a boost doesnt double shields in the backrow give you basically max evasion and take less damage? also if you need an hp and mp boost theres a hp/mp switch spell that will get you an hp boost every fight. but since you are not grinding and just running through the game it could always be easier.

[@coryfelker665]

Can you beat FF4 with only Cecil?

[@WoobertAIO]

I like how you named the guy who can't articulate sentences properly "Twitter" lmao

[@miloclarke6171]

Weapons and armor also penalize magic too

[@bellkins]

FF2 is one of my favorite FF's. I enjoy watching your videos, but FF2 was on the Famicom, not the NES.

[@AstroTibs]

The grind is *three times faster

[@armaleyvaten2782]

I can only imagine who wrote in rule #3...😉

[@thegreatwalrus153]

Fast forward option is fine with me

[@miloclarke6171]

Why double shields.. they have a huge magic penalty for shield that stack

[@Primalliquid92]

because the extra evasion works out far better earlier on

[@marcoschukerberga1418]

Imagine if they ditch the stat progression method and change it to normal exp gain and levels, people would still consider it final fantasy 2? is the only game I tried and never finish it because i never adapted to this new system

[@retronemesis7064]

At least you are playing the pixel remaster and not that psp version.

[@darkholyPL]

Funny think is I was going to suggest this as a challenge run, if you didn't do it yet. Well, nvm eh? ;)

[@silentwyvern]

"Can You Beat Final Fantasy 2 Using ONLY Magic" Its really not hard. Get warp as soon as possible, carries you til Teleport. Once you get Teleport GG.

[@screwtokaiba]

Hell nah you cant mention a low rate boss drop in a video without reseting for it! #JusticeForLamiaRibbon

[@reloadpsi]

The drop rate isn't even all that low. I ended up with spare ribbons by the end of Pandaemonium.

[@moopert86]

Said this would probably be pretty easy, and I was right.

[@Snorlax8801]

Look behind you

[@GerBessa]

Before watching, I'm gonna say "Wild Soul" then watch. Edit: Ok, didn't know holy worked. I tried Solo Black Magic only on DoS years ago and was blocked there.

[@kanor13]

Please do FFX but you can only use bahamut

[@LOVEPHOENIXDANCER]

if it was not so hard to get, i would say do dawn of souls for this run. but im gonna be nice .

[@adriancoleman2876]

Can you beat final fantasy VI using only slot?

[@praetorxyn]

One of these days I want to just start the game with a save that has me maxed out in anything and go through wrecking face. The grind in this game is real and saps the joy out of it.

[@polaris5554]

The real question is how OP can you get before you have to face the first 4 black Knights? 😜

[@JoyousOblivion]

Like for the Like God, Comment for the Comment Throne!

[@miltongleason930]

I hope the editor can eat..

[@sethswaim1797]

Sooooooo...... Why is it that you only have 120k subs? I've been watching your videos for...... A while, and sure, as a Christian there are more important things to do with my time, but as a gamer I think it's a travesty that you don't have more subs. Am I missing something? Cause I'm just gonna blame KZbin. KZbin! GET ON YOUR GAME AND FIX YOUR ALGORITHM! This guy DESERVES WWAAAYYYYYYY MORE SUBS. Keep having fun primalliquid. Jesus loves you. Be blessed.

[@spatrk6634]

i have disease where if game lets you grind i will grind. so i never played ff2 because of the way you grind. i can see myself spending hours attacking myself to level up defence. no just no.

[@lunarhare4215]

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[@rowanmorris2187]

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[@jacobkallenberger8903]

FF 2 was Cecil and Kain

[@locke103]

Wrong. Try again, sailor.

[@deatho0ne587]

Should have done this on the original FF2 on the Famicon, okay maybe emulated. Would have made ultimate pointless.