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Simulating the Evolution of Rock, Paper, Scissors

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Sinervo, B.; C.M. Lively (1996). "The rock-paper-scissors game and the evolution of alternative male strategies". Nature. 380 (6571): 240-243.
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@salxrn
@salxrn Ай бұрын
key takeaway from this video: the best strategy in life is to do random stuff and hope it works
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@EEEEEEEE Ай бұрын
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@MrRast0r
@MrRast0r Ай бұрын
This is an undeniable truth since Fredderick (a Goldfish) outperformed NASDAQ.
@jobkorn4085
@jobkorn4085 Ай бұрын
no the key is not to be to extrem in one property. I believe this would be healthier like that but economy forces us to be imbalanced to get rewarded
@littleclover7426
@littleclover7426 Ай бұрын
I think that sounds about right, because like, isn't that what evolution is? Very slowly sexually selecting for the strategy that survives? Be that random or just, hey it's easier to get seeds than bugs? (Like in birds)
@glowingfox704
@glowingfox704 Ай бұрын
I just do everything I can think of (good and bad ideas) and hope they all work. I think it has so far?
@Jocaolinita
@Jocaolinita Ай бұрын
as a geologist, you see these ternary plots literally everywhere in literature
@minimando99
@minimando99 Ай бұрын
I’m a geologist too 🎉
@timothymclean
@timothymclean Ай бұрын
Ternary plots are so handy. More people should use them.
@BeaglzRok1
@BeaglzRok1 Ай бұрын
L O A M
@Chiberia
@Chiberia Ай бұрын
I had to look this up, because, as a computer scientist, we use "ternary" as a conditional operation - that is, choosing a value based on whether another value is true or false. yay for engineering consistency!
@susiek4593
@susiek4593 Ай бұрын
Who is sandy loam and why do you keep talking about her?/j
@theMuBot
@theMuBot Ай бұрын
When I learned about side-blotched lizards, one of my first thoughts was "this sounds more like a Primer video than a real organism."
@hopepope6573
@hopepope6573 29 күн бұрын
finally, a comment about those guys.Deep look made a video about them pretty please watch it when you have the time.
@b1bbscraz3y
@b1bbscraz3y 29 күн бұрын
all I know is them lizard are throat goats
@theMuBot
@theMuBot 29 күн бұрын
@@hopepope6573 Clint's Reptiles also did a video including them recently!
@Purely_Andy
@Purely_Andy 26 күн бұрын
@@b1bbscraz3y what.
@Wendy_O._Koopa
@Wendy_O._Koopa 4 күн бұрын
In some countries, they play _"Janken pon,"_ totally different! /s
@cobytang
@cobytang 29 күн бұрын
"0:04 If you're unfamiliar with Rock, paper, scissors" What are the things that people who don't know rock, paper, scissors have been living under??? It's certainly not rocks.
@MisterAssasine
@MisterAssasine 27 күн бұрын
Perhaps they are the lizardfolk and live under Spocks
@John-gr5tx
@John-gr5tx 27 күн бұрын
They are geologists. Covered in papers Studying rocks.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 25 күн бұрын
@@John-gr5tx what they do wrong is licking the rocks, crumbling the papers, and digging with the scissors.
@mcaiesterin8676
@mcaiesterin8676 24 күн бұрын
​@@John-gr5tx nice a tbbt reference
@Laynes_FYLA
@Laynes_FYLA Ай бұрын
5:33 "Let's actually skip drawing the blobs" Me: 🥺 5:36 "Okay, still some blobs" Me: 😊
@eadbert1935
@eadbert1935 Ай бұрын
he knows his audience too well :D
@victorfunnyman
@victorfunnyman 26 күн бұрын
real
@wesleysilveira5692
@wesleysilveira5692 20 күн бұрын
lmao fr
@brickDOTbrock
@brickDOTbrock 20 күн бұрын
LITERALLY ME
@zeldaking13
@zeldaking13 Ай бұрын
For the last part the saying "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but still often better than a master of one." rings very true
@FinnishArsonist
@FinnishArsonist Ай бұрын
One thing interesting about this quote is that I would consider the jack of all trades a master of something - a master of versatility, which is kind of what this full version of the quote is going for.
@mrosskne
@mrosskne Ай бұрын
that saying is false, specialization overwhelmingly dominates biologically and economically
@xMysticMia
@xMysticMia Ай бұрын
@@mrosskne only in specialized environments. If the environment changes, like which is the case here with scissors alleles transforming into rock alleles, then versatility (and the ability to adapt, in a biological point of view) seems to have the upper hand.
@mrosskne
@mrosskne Ай бұрын
@@xMysticMia In all environments.
@arkdirfe
@arkdirfe Ай бұрын
@@mrosskne The saying might imply the master of one to be completely inept in anything else, which just gets you extinct in the evolutionary context. Baseline capabilities are required to reach your specialization's potential.
@palipanda9768
@palipanda9768 Ай бұрын
13:05 "I was confused in front of ALL twenty people who were watching" You're a gem, mate! hahaha
@divabhardwaj6381
@divabhardwaj6381 3 күн бұрын
I mean, imagine being in public and doing something embarrassing in front of 20 whole people😭 That’s like classroom size
@user-ie3kq9uk4y
@user-ie3kq9uk4y Ай бұрын
I think the blobs would make perfect stress balls, can that be a thing?
@JACandQuill
@JACandQuill 29 күн бұрын
Agreed
@Gilvala
@Gilvala 24 күн бұрын
take my moneyyyy
@TSPxEclipse
@TSPxEclipse 21 күн бұрын
Nooooo why would you squeeze them! Make it a huggable 3ft tall plushie instead :D
@larsatticus6807
@larsatticus6807 21 күн бұрын
There's a plushie on the website!
@user-cd4bx6uq1y
@user-cd4bx6uq1y 18 күн бұрын
He already did the plushies, was expecting whether or not I'll see a comment like that lol, people think alike
@luigiawesome6587
@luigiawesome6587 Ай бұрын
"Okay, maybe some blobs" and then there's 3 blobs (the blobs are really cute by the way) just kind of sitting there, relaxing.
@doginrefrigerator
@doginrefrigerator Ай бұрын
that blobs enjoy watching how others fight for live
@VonThallis
@VonThallis Ай бұрын
He knows we come for the knowledge and stay for the blob
@ishu4227
@ishu4227 Ай бұрын
5:36 Way too many blobs to count: 💥💥💥⚔⚔🪨📰✂ 🔴🟡🔵:🍿🍿
@benundead2198
@benundead2198 Ай бұрын
I do absolutely love those little blobs
@BazilYat
@BazilYat 29 күн бұрын
@@VonThallis Or possibly the other way around!
@genius31415
@genius31415 Ай бұрын
When are we getting the sequel with Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock?
@PrimerBlobs
@PrimerBlobs Ай бұрын
I thought about this, but a 5-simplex plot is a little hard to draw. :(
@merlijnfolkerts3066
@merlijnfolkerts3066 Ай бұрын
@@PrimerBlobs scissors cut paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and rock crushes scissors.
@midnight4685
@midnight4685 Ай бұрын
@@PrimerBlobs Do you think it'd follow the same pattern? From what I got in the video, I assume it would, but I'm curious as to whether the added variables might influence it in some way.
@floppy8568
@floppy8568 Ай бұрын
@@PrimerBlobs It's technically a 4-simplex, also known as a Pentachoron (you know, 1D digon, 2D trigon, 3D tetrahedron and 4D pentachoron)
@kristinborn8882
@kristinborn8882 Ай бұрын
@@merlijnfolkerts3066 I love the wording on this
@SamuraiPipotchi
@SamuraiPipotchi Ай бұрын
Something about the phrase "If you want to use fancy words, which I do" just felt so relatable to me
@xem1p
@xem1p 28 күн бұрын
Who said we dont use rock paper scissors to compete for food in nature? Thats like the most common method seen in my school cafeteria
@MicronationPenguin
@MicronationPenguin 19 күн бұрын
Same
@Wendy_O._Koopa
@Wendy_O._Koopa 4 күн бұрын
There are few places more _unnatural_ than a school cafeteria...
@b2n136
@b2n136 Ай бұрын
the brown blob waving at the end was so cute my heart melted
@that_tvhead
@that_tvhead Ай бұрын
hello mine turtle
@AnneMarcyandsashaVlog-md9ev
@AnneMarcyandsashaVlog-md9ev 29 күн бұрын
Yeah! Absolutely adorable!
@BinglesP
@BinglesP 28 күн бұрын
Timestamp is 14:33 🤎
@Frimpa-MJEB
@Frimpa-MJEB Ай бұрын
Today I learned normal type pokemons can be useful
@knopfir
@knopfir Ай бұрын
well, there isnt anything implying normal types are the neutral strategy. normal types are stuck in their own rock-paper-scissors triangle, theyre only neutral in the face of unrelated triangles like fire-water-grass
@Megumin_Random
@Megumin_Random Ай бұрын
@@knopfirNormal isn’t super effective to anything, so technically they aren’t even in a rock-paper-scissors relationship. They do get better move-type diversity, but it’s not really that useful.
@farfa2937
@farfa2937 Ай бұрын
Just like the brown blobs, they do nothing particularly well and suck to use, but (besides fighting) nothing does particularly well against them so they're a pain to deal with.
@XenithShadow
@XenithShadow Ай бұрын
Not quite true a "normal" type blob would infact send it self to extinction as it would function the same way the brown blob does except that is always copies the opponents choice resultsing in it always get 0.80 every encounter until it should eventually drive its self to extinction. A better anolgy would probably be dragon since it "beats" the presumable type triangle by not being able to lose.
@rambam791
@rambam791 Ай бұрын
So ez 4 me- Machamp 2024
@MrJdubs14
@MrJdubs14 Ай бұрын
This is also a perfect example of analyzing eigenvalues to evaluate stability of a system. Assessing your matrix (with all values subtracted by 1 to make the matrix a proper system of ODEs that tracks *changes* in population) pre- vs. post-tie punishment, you can see that the real eigenvalues go from 0 to negative, which indicates a shift from unstable (spiraling towards and around the edges forever) to stable (spiraling towards the center and staying there). Though, for the 0 eigenvalue case, a perfect system maybe should have forever spiraled around the middle of the triangle without reaching the edges. I think the introduction of noise and random fluctuations makes the system less stable, spiraling outwards instead. Thanks for a cool video!
@EricSmith-dx1ll
@EricSmith-dx1ll 28 күн бұрын
Linear differential equations are used for predator-prey calculations. Eigenvalues are used in those 2d cases. This is the same problem expanded to three dimensions where there are coupled predator - prey relationships
@DanielGrydin
@DanielGrydin Ай бұрын
warning at 1:10, almost got hit by a rock, barely dodged
@vampirecat8256
@vampirecat8256 28 күн бұрын
Barely saw it in time, thank you
@bravecrab5047
@bravecrab5047 23 күн бұрын
Dayum thanks bro, I can't imagine what would've happened if it wasn't for yuh😱😳 I mean, I gotta go to work on Monday, can't die from some random rock rn🤧
@kennyholmes5196
@kennyholmes5196 Ай бұрын
Fun fact, the "brown" strategy is actually an evolutionarily stable strategy specifically because it is a Generalist one that can take control of all the niches when they pop up! Abundance of Scissors? Generalists have the tools to exploit them by going Rock. Abundance of Paper? Generalists can hit them with Scissors pretty much immediately. Abundance of Rock? Paper usage wallops them back down from the Generalists. They win out because they are prepared for any situation, and as a result, can win in any situation.
@brutusthebear9050
@brutusthebear9050 Ай бұрын
Which, incidentally, is why humans are the best animal by far. Because we are the most generalist, we can actively think of new strategies to compete in nature, rather than having it ingrained in us.
@itsmenatika
@itsmenatika Ай бұрын
​That's also why brain and consciousness was created. Learning during time and adaption during life time are beneficial​@@brutusthebear9050
@ethanrutevillarreal1506
@ethanrutevillarreal1506 Ай бұрын
I think you missed the point. The browns never won nor lost against the specialist strategies because they could only win 1/3 of the time, draw 1/3 of the time, and lose 1/3 of the time. This is true against any opponent they fought, and therefore their population didn't depend on the others. It's not like they could exploit all niches, it's that they didn't exploit any niche, but weren't hurt by any special strategy either.
@nbboxhead3866
@nbboxhead3866 Ай бұрын
@@ethanrutevillarreal1506 the browns couldn't exploit any niches, but they didn't have the problem of tieing often, which all the niches had, which resulted in niches being worse than the browns.
@driftwisp2797
@driftwisp2797 Ай бұрын
@@brutusthebear9050 You're underselling animals a lot. They're pretty smart and learn and adapt well. They just don't have written language to accumulate institutional knowledge with, which is what lets us do science.
@Pridestein2009
@Pridestein2009 Ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this moment for years... a new Primer video on Rock Paper Scissors of all things! Love it! One thing I'm especially interested in is if more gestures were added. Imagine Lizard or Spock in blob form!
@PixlGamr906
@PixlGamr906 Ай бұрын
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@kubastachu9860
@kubastachu9860 Ай бұрын
a new Primer video on blobs is enough to make my day
@Fire_Axus
@Fire_Axus Ай бұрын
your feelings are irrational
@juliadavies6653
@juliadavies6653 Ай бұрын
0:09 Not for some reason! paper beats rock because it used to be cloth. the same cloth which flung stones from slings, stayed stones as embroidery, and dragged heavy stones in a process called heaving.
@kvmilos.tomaszek
@kvmilos.tomaszek Ай бұрын
Oh, never knew that! Interesting
@TheSadster
@TheSadster 28 күн бұрын
I only knew about paper covering rock not the whole cloth thing lol
@Muho_is_me
@Muho_is_me 26 күн бұрын
​@@TheSadster yeah me too
@starp7675
@starp7675 23 күн бұрын
papercut
@SirSmuggler
@SirSmuggler 11 күн бұрын
In my language (swedish) it's rock, scissors, bag (translated to english obviously). The bag can hold the rock but the scissors cuts the bag. Bags being primarily made of cloth, it makes sense I guess 😊
@jonarbuckle2894
@jonarbuckle2894 22 күн бұрын
I would add in behaviors to each one. Rock could play it safe only playing against those who have 1 or less paper choices at a penalty to its food intake, paper could go for food above all else searching specifically for wins and ties, and scissors could play aggressive seeking out the nearest opponent no matter what they throw. Id love to see that simulation.
@SusDoctor
@SusDoctor Ай бұрын
See you guys again in a year.
@mjb7015
@mjb7015 Ай бұрын
Happy Primer day! 🎉
@IRules2244
@IRules2244 Ай бұрын
Commenting to remind me when it’s a year from now.
@tom-ment-Capybara
@tom-ment-Capybara Ай бұрын
😭😭😭
@sock_sti
@sock_sti Ай бұрын
💀
@197inch3wheelelectricforklift
@197inch3wheelelectricforklift Ай бұрын
Who else attending Primer Day Anniversary next year?
@jursamaj
@jursamaj Ай бұрын
4:35 Rather than skewing the graph, realize that it's *already* an equilateral triangle, just in 3 dimensional. It's the plane that goes thru (1,0,0), (0,1,0), and (0,0,1), with every position containing any negative values cut away.
@wrpen99
@wrpen99 Ай бұрын
It's a right triangle, not an equilateral.
@Endless-fire
@Endless-fire Ай бұрын
@@wrpen99 no no, it's equilateral. But from the projected angle it looks like a 2D right angle. In 3D space it's equilateral.
@Jocaolinita
@Jocaolinita Ай бұрын
@@jursamajI had never noticed that! it's an incredible way to visualize this graph
@wrpen99
@wrpen99 Ай бұрын
@@Endless-fire It's still a 2D triangle, there's no projected angle here. Measure the distance from points (0,1) and (1,0) on a graph, it will be longer than the lengths of the other two sides
@pfk-137
@pfk-137 Ай бұрын
@@wrpen99 what they're is saying that you can imagine a 2D right triangle as a projection of a 3D equilateral triangle. The distances between the points (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0) and (0, 0, 1) are the same. When projected to the xy plane these points become (1, 0), (0, 1) and (0, 0) and takes the appearance of a right triangle. it's really quite simple
@bean9786
@bean9786 26 күн бұрын
I'm glad when you mention being surprised by results. It makes me more confident making guesses and engaging with the video more attentively, because I don't feel as stupid when I'm wrong most of the time knowing even someone who does this all the time could get it wrong.
@satisfactiongamer7385
@satisfactiongamer7385 20 күн бұрын
At least you know you are some people don’t know they are.
@MoempfLP
@MoempfLP Ай бұрын
A simulation about product quality would be interesting. If high quality products cost more but last longer, will the seller gain or lose market share? What about planned obsolescence, is it beneficial?
@m.h.6470
@m.h.6470 Ай бұрын
The reason why "paper beats rock" is usually, "because it envelops it and rock can't move".
@desertdesk
@desertdesk Ай бұрын
Implying that rocks normally try to move lol
@that_tvhead
@that_tvhead Ай бұрын
i have always imagined a piece of paper simply slipping on top of the entire rock, but not enveloping all the other sides
@Vospi
@Vospi Ай бұрын
I'd say "it wraps around it, making it softer"
@b43xoit
@b43xoit 29 күн бұрын
Paper covers rock.
@user-er2nh8yh3v
@user-er2nh8yh3v 29 күн бұрын
@@Vospi yes.
@PrimerBlobs
@PrimerBlobs Ай бұрын
If you want to play with the system yourself. Here's a desmos calculator that does the pure-strategy simulation and puts it on a ternary plot. It's a little different because it assumes an infinite population, and so you will see some subtle differences in the results. www.desmos.com/calculator/lmx7hy2dai
@kvmilos.tomaszek
@kvmilos.tomaszek Ай бұрын
I love that you share such things! Definitely worth checking out
@randomdosing7535
@randomdosing7535 Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@takenname8053
@takenname8053 Ай бұрын
I never thought I could have fun with Desmos...
@aqwkingchampion13
@aqwkingchampion13 Ай бұрын
Not sure if this eventually happens at lower speeds, but if you crank the speed up to near 1, the population just shoots off the graph in the direction of on of the ends (I’ve had it fly off after going from scissors to rock and going down the x-axis away from paper, and do the sam from paper to scissors and flying away from rock). It was funny.
@AnneMarcyandsashaVlog-md9ev
@AnneMarcyandsashaVlog-md9ev 29 күн бұрын
Thx
@nategoatchild2507
@nategoatchild2507 27 күн бұрын
I think it's interesting how much farther this simulation went than most of your other ones. Such a simple premise having so many iterations and tweaks, I admire your commitment and and I enjoy your work.
@ShinYamiZakura
@ShinYamiZakura 28 күн бұрын
I'm always both amazed and inspired by the clarity of the visualisations on this channel, and how they perfectly enhance the understanding of the narration.
@ElectricalSmith
@ElectricalSmith Ай бұрын
The 'winner take all' strategy almost looks like a logarithmic spiral (or almost a golden spiral) with some bounds. Interesting.
@EricSmith-dx1ll
@EricSmith-dx1ll 28 күн бұрын
It is actually a solution to a set of linear differential equations. The eigenvalues of the reward matrix decide the shape of the population graph
@mjb7015
@mjb7015 Ай бұрын
It's 11:48 at night, I have to be up in the morning, but here I am watching Primer as soon as I got the notification
@RaqiiCat
@RaqiiCat Ай бұрын
Damn for me it’s morning 😅
@RaqiiCat
@RaqiiCat Ай бұрын
Like really early for me-
@circuitgamer7759
@circuitgamer7759 Ай бұрын
It's 10:20 in the morning, I should've been asleep two hours ago (my schedule is 27 hours long, so it drifts per day), but here I am watching Primer as soon as I got the notification.
@user-fc3jq5cm5w
@user-fc3jq5cm5w Ай бұрын
10:20 here... What time zone are you in?
@mjb7015
@mjb7015 Ай бұрын
@@user-fc3jq5cm5w GMT+10, Australian Eastern Standard Time.
@crownedeagle2000
@crownedeagle2000 Ай бұрын
Awesome video! I remember seeing this kind of stuff in dynamical systems, but your presentation is so much more approachable while still preserving the key takeaways about how these systems behave!
@jameslincs
@jameslincs 28 күн бұрын
Lots of effort went into this video. Fascinating stuff you crazy man
@saram3604
@saram3604 Ай бұрын
Great video! Cannot wait for the plushies to be restocked. I need all of them!
@PrimerBlobs
@PrimerBlobs Ай бұрын
I also cannot wait
@dx243_
@dx243_ Ай бұрын
@@PrimerBlobs also you said stuff about how you dont want ur computer to explode, what are the specs of your pc
@hiranpeiris877
@hiranpeiris877 Ай бұрын
@@PrimerBlobs 65rgf
@joezhao850
@joezhao850 Ай бұрын
I only have one
@aaronconner1440
@aaronconner1440 28 күн бұрын
@@PrimerBlobsSame! I can’t wait to act out some physical simulations with them!
@the_reconnaisant
@the_reconnaisant Ай бұрын
Babe wake up primer uploaded!
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@dwsel
@dwsel Ай бұрын
Yay 🥳🎉
@cameoshadowness7757
@cameoshadowness7757 Ай бұрын
I'm up! Im up!
@doodidood
@doodidood Ай бұрын
It's been 84 years
@elizabethgonzalez2770
@elizabethgonzalez2770 Ай бұрын
🎉
@mushforbrains
@mushforbrains Ай бұрын
These videos are always so relaxing and fascinating to watch! Keep up the great work!!
@user-rm2qj2jh4l
@user-rm2qj2jh4l 29 күн бұрын
These videos are so cool! Really interesting and I love the pretty design and colors and the cute blobs :D Thank you!
@handcannon
@handcannon Ай бұрын
i just found your channel 5 minutes ago and seeing that this video was posted 37 minutes ago after 6 months is insane. i love your videos man, thanks
@tachrayonic2982
@tachrayonic2982 Ай бұрын
One thing I'd consider is adding in some form of 'territory', where related blobs are more likely to interact with each other. Perhaps this could increase stability by limiting how effective a small change could reach the entire population. It would be cool if we got to see cyclic fronts of population change.
@thehans255
@thehans255 Ай бұрын
You could probably do that with location as an explicit parameter - the blobs live in a 2D plane and there are a finite number of mango trees. Maybe the blobs live for 2 or 3 days total, and each day, can choose to either eat at the current tree or move to a different one nearby.
@life-destiny1196
@life-destiny1196 Ай бұрын
@@thehans255 This has interesting applications for the prisoner's dilemma, too. Which, I suppose, is almost the same problem as this one already.
@tulliusexmisc2191
@tulliusexmisc2191 Ай бұрын
If you make interactions local, the game becomes a cellular automaton. If I remember correctly, you can create a grid of squares with multiple states, where each state beats and replaces the previous one, loses to the next, and draws (no change) with everything else. When you get about 6 states or more, you usually see spirals that cycle through all the states, and gradually spread and overwhelm smaller spirals.
@thehans255
@thehans255 Ай бұрын
@@tulliusexmisc2191 I think I remember seeing that. You would probably end up with different, more stable behavior if you factored in the slight penalty for getting a tie, since that makes ensuring that fights have winners is better for the total success of the population than getting ties is.
@crystaldragon1811
@crystaldragon1811 27 күн бұрын
These are pretty cool, so I hope you're able to continue making these! I started watching these a few years ago when I was just interested in the blobs and the mathematics, but now I'm very interested in biology, plants specifically, and I LOVE seeing when plants evolve and mutate (leaf variegation, changes in petal shape & color, etc). I can't afford to donate yet, so for now I'll comment and then go browse the shop
@PushyPawn
@PushyPawn 27 күн бұрын
No matter what colors anyone eats, all that is left is brown. That was more intuitive than I expected.
@MasterTramsYouTube
@MasterTramsYouTube Ай бұрын
Coincidences can be funny, can't they... Just last night, I was watching a video about the UK election that mentioned one of your videos, so I spent this morning watching back all your stuff, and then you upload this just a couple of hours later!
@kvmilos.tomaszek
@kvmilos.tomaszek Ай бұрын
Our of curiosity, what video about the UK elections was that? 😀
@MasterTramsYouTube
@MasterTramsYouTube Ай бұрын
@@kvmilos.tomaszek Matt Parker's bad election charts video.
@JohnyRedstar
@JohnyRedstar Ай бұрын
You don't have a slithest idea how interesting this videos are. They helped me so much!
@moomoobeef
@moomoobeef Ай бұрын
PRIMER IS BACK!!!!
@domestic_canary
@domestic_canary 23 күн бұрын
Thank you for your videos! I learn something new everytime I watch them
@THEO-ou4dg
@THEO-ou4dg Ай бұрын
This is the perfect video at the perfect time for me to procrastinate to. Thank you Primer!
@KunoichiLoL
@KunoichiLoL Ай бұрын
No way, thats the same topic I got for my bachelor thesis in math. (without mixed strategies tho) Got to combine evolutionary game theory, which was a really fun topic, with stochastics (approaching the model with Markov Chains). The theory from Markov Chains gives a lot of explanations for the phenomena seen in the video, for example the absorption probabilities (one strategy reigning supreme) aswell as the expected time until that happens in the non-mutating scenario, and the repetitive cyclic flow as a stationary distribution in the mutating scenario. Another really interesting thing without mutations is "Survival of the Weakest". In the Markov Chains model, but also in reality, for example with E.coli microbes, the strategy that "punishes" its "prey strategy" the least (for example if scissors would only keep 1.5 mangos and give 0.5 mangos to paper, while paper and rock keep the 2 mangos on their wins), usually wins out in the end due the predator strategy being extinguished by the prey strategy they left alive. Perfect example for "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". (The article about the E.coli microbes is called "Survival of the weakest in non-transitive asymmetric interactions among strains of E. coli", if anyone is interested)
@downloadjpg
@downloadjpg Ай бұрын
wow! survival of the weakest is an interesting term. having just finished a couple linear algebra courses, i kept guessing changing the parameters would change the outcome due to "something something determinant < 1". i've added the paper to my reading list, but can i ask how you handled reproduction? curious if they can also be modeled with markov chains or similar structures.
@michaelwalpole2208
@michaelwalpole2208 Ай бұрын
Bachelor's thesis? Did you go to Reed College?
@KunoichiLoL
@KunoichiLoL Ай бұрын
@@downloadjpg Reproduction wasnt really important in the article I got for my thesis, it instead dealt with it in the way that the individuals would swap strategies and turn into an individual of another strategy, leaving the total population unchanged throughout the whole simulation. It basically functions the same as with offsprings, as long as 2 offsprings are born for each "battle for the mangos". :D
@KunoichiLoL
@KunoichiLoL Ай бұрын
@@michaelwalpole2208 Nope, I studied (still study) in germany
@michaelwalpole2208
@michaelwalpole2208 Ай бұрын
@@KunoichiLoL Ah, that makes sense. It's unusual to be required to write a thesis for one's bachelor's degree in the U.S., hence my inaccurate guess, but I presume it's normal procedure in Germany.
@algorithminc.8850
@algorithminc.8850 22 күн бұрын
I love this channel - one fun bit after another. Thanks for the video. Cheers.
@Treporos
@Treporos 29 күн бұрын
your videos are always so interesting, thank you for making them
@joaoteixeira3202
@joaoteixeira3202 Ай бұрын
14:32 You could also call it a Nash Equilibrium. A Subgame Perfect Nash Equilibrium, to be extra fancy.
@user-yi7yj1kz9g
@user-yi7yj1kz9g 27 күн бұрын
It's always a good year when primer uploads 🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
@Waffle_6
@Waffle_6 Ай бұрын
love your videos glad to see another one is finally out
@conordoyle3921
@conordoyle3921 29 күн бұрын
Great Video! Really cool seeing those patterns emerge!
@Iseenedyou
@Iseenedyou Ай бұрын
When I first found this channel I basically binge watched all your videos
@kvmilos.tomaszek
@kvmilos.tomaszek Ай бұрын
Haven’t we all 😂
@thatonedynamitecuber
@thatonedynamitecuber Ай бұрын
Primer's back with a new banger
@Wava-ob5ng
@Wava-ob5ng 22 күн бұрын
your video editing skills are incredible, what a treat to watch!
@AndrewDangerously
@AndrewDangerously 28 күн бұрын
Very intuitive visuals, great work! Huge fan.
@PGF1892
@PGF1892 28 күн бұрын
1:19 No mango? 🥺 No offspring? 🥺
@LethalAssassin
@LethalAssassin Ай бұрын
This is literally what happened in the Rock, Paper, Scissors tournament lol
@Tom-os7io
@Tom-os7io 25 күн бұрын
Aaaa, I love your vids, they’re the best! They are so informative and really teach me lots of cool things!
@unuisance
@unuisance 18 күн бұрын
Glad to see another Primer video
@kaifireborn7594
@kaifireborn7594 Ай бұрын
In my local version of the game, you have a "well" instead of a "rock". It makes sense that paper beats well, because it can cover it up, while scissors fall down. Guess it makes sense with paper "hiding" a rock too
@downloadjpg
@downloadjpg Ай бұрын
i've never heard of other versions! can i ask where you're from or what language you speak?
@user-uu4kz8sr5i
@user-uu4kz8sr5i Ай бұрын
В странах СНГ тоже, бывает, говорят и про камень и про колодец =)
@artsenor254
@artsenor254 Ай бұрын
I'm curious as well. Where I come from (France), we also sometimes have a well, but it's an "additional" move that is usually considered unfair, cause it beats both the rock and the scissors, and is never played because of that.
@life-destiny1196
@life-destiny1196 Ай бұрын
@@artsenor254 In an instance of incredibly stereotypical behavior, the American equivalents for this are "gun" or perhaps "bomb." Or at least that's what kids did on the playground when I was little.
@I_Love_Learning
@I_Love_Learning Ай бұрын
@@life-destiny1196 At my playground, kids slowly got more extreme with what they play.
@SigmaLemon31
@SigmaLemon31 Ай бұрын
7:14"Game Theory"??????!!!!!
@Griffin-the-chicken
@Griffin-the-chicken 28 күн бұрын
IKR
@FrozenBrawlStars
@FrozenBrawlStars 28 күн бұрын
It’s a section/field in mathematics
@TheWorldsLargestOven
@TheWorldsLargestOven 25 күн бұрын
Is Springlock Breedable?
@claytonrumer204
@claytonrumer204 23 күн бұрын
I am so glad to see another primer video is out.
@silarydoveface
@silarydoveface 27 күн бұрын
this was fascinating thanks for creating it!
@Sanskar_S_Ratnawat
@Sanskar_S_Ratnawat Ай бұрын
14:34 Did my mature adult a** just wave to an animated blob irl?
@rmlgaming2091
@rmlgaming2091 Ай бұрын
Worth
@vez3834
@vez3834 29 күн бұрын
Friend shaped and rocking a smile, really good combo
@Triantalex
@Triantalex 29 күн бұрын
No.
@Triantalex
@Triantalex 29 күн бұрын
ass
@jusauser
@jusauser Ай бұрын
HE LIVES! THE LEGEND LIVES!
@flavored_1
@flavored_1 Ай бұрын
This was super entertaining and educational, great video!
@conlon4332
@conlon4332 29 күн бұрын
I learnt about those lizards recently in a recent Clint's Reptiles video that talked about crazy reproduction methods. It was a really fun video and I would thoroughly recommend it. I would recommend his channel in general, but I did especially enjoy that video, and I also think it would be fun for a wider range of audiences than his other videos.
@potatoheadpokemario1931
@potatoheadpokemario1931 Ай бұрын
5:53 is that the golden spiral?
@user-mk8kt7hv7c
@user-mk8kt7hv7c 28 күн бұрын
Is it just me or is 5:17 looking a little Fibonacci?
@arcisle5162
@arcisle5162 Ай бұрын
always great seeing your videos!
@j.jacobdeisher1152
@j.jacobdeisher1152 27 күн бұрын
these are the most interesting graphs I've seen all day. Thank you for sharing your experiment
@NaudVanDalen
@NaudVanDalen Ай бұрын
0:32 All I'm thinking of right now is Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock.
@voidnull9438
@voidnull9438 Ай бұрын
Cancel your plans, a new primer video just dropped
@JustForFunServers
@JustForFunServers 29 күн бұрын
Your videos are always awesome!
@josephpeng6984
@josephpeng6984 3 күн бұрын
You know it's a good day when Primer posts a KZbin video.
@k.v.c.h.0007
@k.v.c.h.0007 Ай бұрын
Did earth just revolved a full. Hiya😂
@sushicat1
@sushicat1 Ай бұрын
the reason paper beats rock is because paper covers the rock up
@AubreyMK
@AubreyMK 25 күн бұрын
but how is that supposed to be a "defeat" paper gets cut, a rock breaks scissors but... paper covering a rock?? that's it?
@sushicat1
@sushicat1 25 күн бұрын
@@AubreyMK the rock actually suffocates in the paper
@caominh8622
@caominh8622 25 күн бұрын
​​@@sushicat1make sense to me, rock do breath fr (joke)
@matt003
@matt003 28 күн бұрын
These videos are just amazing. Great job
@rachelhagemeister2276
@rachelhagemeister2276 Ай бұрын
Gosh, I really love your videos. Thank you
@Noobivert
@Noobivert Ай бұрын
Yearly uploads
@PrimerBlobs
@PrimerBlobs Ай бұрын
Hey hey. *Bi* yearly.
@lukapetrovic412
@lukapetrovic412 Ай бұрын
An important distinction
@verstrahlt1907
@verstrahlt1907 28 күн бұрын
amazing video, very good explained and nice GFX\animation. Interesting evolution.
@ethanpetersen810
@ethanpetersen810 29 күн бұрын
Paper goes on top of the rock and COVERS it. That’s the reason.
@B0NES48
@B0NES48 Ай бұрын
Always a great day for a Primer video
@thewaafer
@thewaafer Ай бұрын
thank you so much for making these videos
@Tilb0
@Tilb0 Ай бұрын
Love when you upload
@cornycornsnake
@cornycornsnake Ай бұрын
It’s a new Primer!!! I’m excited and I haven’t even watched the video yet!!
@RegularBiscuit
@RegularBiscuit Ай бұрын
so glad primer is making vids :)
@DaBaSoftware
@DaBaSoftware 27 күн бұрын
that was awesome, thanks for making this :)
@ziggiethegreat7738
@ziggiethegreat7738 26 күн бұрын
oh crap, it's Primer! I haven't seen you post in ages, I hadn't realized you were still making things.
@SoThisIsMyCat
@SoThisIsMyCat 8 күн бұрын
Wow this is a beautiful video with a lot of commitment thank you
@Skeffles
@Skeffles 17 күн бұрын
Fascinating to see how the population spirals and how the different rewards effect it. Great video!
@joshhickman77
@joshhickman77 Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for these videos, and this one in particular. I've been recommending the MIT OpenCourseWare course for Game Theory for a long time, and there's still a ton of value there, but introducing ideas like nash equilibria and ESS to a broader audience is so important. :)
@luisrosado7050
@luisrosado7050 27 күн бұрын
1:38 im so happy you decided to use the fancy name for multidimensional array ♡! /srs and happy
@manero4792
@manero4792 27 күн бұрын
I thought this channel was dead! Thank you returning, frendo!
@RosebudMartin
@RosebudMartin Ай бұрын
WOOO, it's been too long without a Primer video!
@MankejYuice
@MankejYuice 29 күн бұрын
An amazing explanation as always ❤
@xycrypt
@xycrypt 27 күн бұрын
Seeing the paper comically cut the rock in two at 1:40 is hilarious
@zlothz
@zlothz 26 күн бұрын
As usual, excellent and interesting video! My predictions were quite wrong! I appreciate the reminders sprinkled throughout to encourage people to actively predict and not passively watch the video! :)
@user-ze7sj4qy6q
@user-ze7sj4qy6q Ай бұрын
the title honestly gave me a weird expectation of what was in this video and its way better than i expected i hope there's nobody passing it up (esp if they dont know the channel) cuz of that and missing this awesome video this has helped me understand population dynamics way better
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