Prince Charles seeks Queen's approval to marry Camilla - The Crown Season 6

The Crown S06 E10
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[@rrickarr]

...so can we agree, there is nothing heroic about any of this. Well said by the Queen.

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

And yet she allowed that harpy to be Queen consort 🙄

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

​@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Charles remained with his one true love Camilla ❤❤. Diana took her married boyfriends to Kensington Palace. I feel bad for their innocent wives and children! Diana was a SLOB! It makes me wonder if Charles was a butcher or a baker or a candle stick maker would "lady" Di have married him? No! She wouldn't even have noticed him! The same thing about Waity Katie and William. Carole Kardashian Middleton pushed her daughter with William! Another loveless marriage - hence Rose Hansbury.

[@hinahinananoha7783]

No, we can't agree. It is so easy to judge. And yet none of us are perfect. We are trying to get on with our lives and deserve love❤

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

@@hinahinananoha7783 Well said!! I also think that the queen is in no position to judge extra marital affairs. The queen was very close to both Lord Patrick Pinchett of Northern Ireland and England's Lord Porchester. 😢

[@normadesmond6017]

for sure. Charles, as usual, thinks only about himself.

[@pattikapp6506]

Imagine Princess Margaret's reaction had she been alive when this occurred. Or Diana's.

[@Jaja-hx6ch]

What Charles is talking about in this scene is actually the crux of all the problems that follow. This is what he should have done from the beginning: ask for permission to marry Camilla at the very beginning of their relationship. And be much more consistent with it if he really loved her very much. It would have saved so much suffering for so many people. And yes, maybe Camilla would never be loved by people as much as Diana, but then again she wouldn't receive as much hate either. You can't blame others for not having enough courage to fight for your dreams.

[@honestea1828]

Camilla wanted to marry another man then and did. Charles didn't even get a chance. To his credit, he did try to get her to call it off to no avail. Ftr, Camilla was quite attractive and would have received and built on the good will customary afforded to Royal brides.rathe than right hypocritical, projecting Diana's inaccurate portrayal of her and the situation. The bottom line was neither Diana nor Charles should have married each other.

[@n25bast]

Charles and Camilla would’ve been fondly viewed as star-crossed lovers kept apart by family if Diana hadn’t been one of the most charismatic people to walk the earth.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@honestea1828 she was never ever attractive.

[@stephaniequinlan8988]

It’s not quite as simple as that though. The Royal Family had stringent rules for who the heir to the throne was allowed to marry. She had to be an aristocrat and preferably someone without a “past”. Camilla was a commoner who’d had several serious boyfriends. The Queen would not have approved the match. It was only after almost all her children went through divorces that she relaxed the rules.

[@honestea1828]

@@stephaniequinlan8988 There certainly were pressures and expectations at the time but the truth is Camilla wanted to marry another man then even though Charles tried to get her to call it off. His tried then and certainly stood by her decades later. It is unknown if QEll would have approved the marriage in 1970s as the option was never even presented to her.

[@inigobantok1579]

Ignoring Charles' nagging and begging to go for a marriage, i like how they went back to season 1 atmosphere, literally back to smoky indoors and the gloomy spaces with cinematography that made those seasons special.

[@frname7665]

I don't recall any of those elements disappearing after season 1 though

[@inigobantok1579]

@@frname7665it kinda went away after season 2

[@Coryraisa]

Aaaa, Camilla was not blameless, LOL. Glad the Queen called Charles and Camilla on their BS.

[@honestea1828]

QEll did no such thing and Camilla was not on the scene until the marriage was over and Di on her bodyguard.

[@Coryraisa]

@@honestea1828 No, Camilla was well there even when Charles was marrying Diana. Stop whitewashing Camilla...no one was completely blameless there.

[@honestea1828]

@@Coryraisa She was at the wedding. Her husband was working the wedding. They were both friends with Charles. William and Harry had old girlfriends at their wedding. NONE of them were having affairs after married. Even Diana's own accounts from the early 1980s was different from the narratives she tried to paint in the 1990s. Di and otr security staff confirm she was first to stray.

[@ellevillamor4454]

​@@CoryraisaI think the other commentor meant that Charles didn't cheat on Diana with Camilla until Diana cheated on him first. As Diana herself admitted that she cheated first and it's also a known fact that Charles paused his romantic affair with Camilla after marrying Diana and only resumed when Diana had an affair with her bodyguard.

[@Coryraisa]

@@ellevillamor4454 No, Charles cheated first. He was having flings with Camilla and Kanga early in their marriage. Stop whitewashing Charles and stop villainizing Diana. Neither one of them were blameless.

[@chiaracoffani8543]

Staying silent doesn' t mean that you are not to blame ...In my opinion "Camilla" and" thank you" are two🎼 words that don ' t go together well🎼.Diana forever❤

[@shikazh5139]

The late Queen and Prince Philip approved of Diana for a reason and so the world did.. To think Princess Diana was only used as a brood mare by Charles was a huge miscalculated judgment on his part, she is not only the mother and grandmother of our future kings but a significant and watershed figure in history that will invariably be celebrated for her devotion to her boys and relentless charitable activism inspiring a new generation of royals and beyond ❤️

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

Prince Philip and Queen approved Diana bcz she was a virgin and Spencer, nothing more than that. Btw, rest of the royals have been involved in way more charities than Diana.

[@kate_cooper]

Diana was considered a brood mare by all of them, not just Charles.

[@shikazh5139]

@@kate_cooper Prince Philip actually wrote a letter to Diana expressing his utter disbelief at the prospect of leaving her for Camilla.. After all he always pointed out his son's inadequacy, also the fact that he died on their wedding anniversary is serendipitously morose ..

[@jasonkoch3182]

Good lord, what a ridiculous take. Nobody viewed Diana that way. Certainly not Charles. People really need to get over the fact they got divorced. They weren't happy together. I really do not understand why people are made at Charles for pursuing happiness.

[@1993digifan]

@@jasonkoch3182 Some people refuse to move on from the fact that a so called Real Life Fairy Tale was anything but that, or that people can and do move on from divorce and/or death of (ex-)spouse.

[@bunkertons]

This man is FAR better looking than chatles could ever have hoped to be. Swine.

[@mariahoulihan9483]

lets hvfe a good look at you shall we.. how good looking are you.. or not? What a shallow person you definitely are.

[@AlexanderMccarthey87]

I wish they would've shown this side of her all throughout the series.

[@borisc6714]

It all goes with the talent of the actress... Imelda Staunton was the best actress to play HM the Queen.

[@lordalessan]

Charles and Camilla should've fought harder if they loved each other. They didn't break any rule getting together the first time, so there was no threat of Charles losing the crown. Imagine all the pain they would've spared if that just happened.

[@nadinehart8624]

You really don’t know what you are talking about. This show isn’t a documentary. Remember that

[@Alvin_Vivian]

Back in those days, it wasn't that simple. Camilla "got around" back in those days, it would have been scandalous for the heir apparent to wed a non-virgin.

[@tasi4372]

She was married to someone else. Charles was not her first choice nor did she love him that time. He was just her side puppy.

[@nujeru99]

Camilla is a social climber. She had been bouncing back and forth between Andrew Parker Bowles and Charles for years. She wasn't going to "fight" for anything--she ultimately is loyal only to herself

[@deliagroer2613]

It was a different time. Sadly it caused so much heartache

[@Ed-uz6em]

Diana was used like a breeding mare

[@mariahoulihan9483]

no she wasn;t. she LOVED her children and is on record saying she loved him then.. so that is hardly the callus description you hae jut put on it. You were NOT in the bed now. were you? Donl be so utterly horrible to someone.. and by that I mean the late Princess.

[@cjevans3640]

@@mariahoulihan9483this isn’t an insult to princess di it’s an insult to the crown and how they treated her.

[@mariahoulihan9483]

@@cjevans3640 rubbish. what the hell do you know? your head is filled with mis information.. sorry to say. How is it an insult to the Crown.. lol.. its an insult to the late Princess of Wales to say that about her having her children.. Likening her to an animal. Shameful language.

[@rebekahnewman9419]

If Camilla had truly loved Charles from the beginning, she never would have married Andrew Parker Bowles, she would have waited. It would have also saved a lot of heart ache for everyone involved in the mess.

[@honestea1828]

Camilla had already been in a 7 year on-and-off relationship with the more mature APB before young Charles even briefly ame on the scene. They were all different people then than 5, 10, 15+ years later (and she learned after-the-fact that marriage did not quell APB's philandering as hoped. It's precisely why most schoolage, May/December, and young unions don't last for the long haul. People are capable of loving different people at different points in your life and sometimes even more than one person at one period.

[@Fondrom]

You could say the same for Charles, its best to hold your judgements aside as you weren't the ones in their shoes when they made life-altering decisions at young ages

[@deniseball7764]

Camilla has always just thought of what's best for Camilla and used whatever was available to get it .....

[@honestea1828]

@@deniseball7764 You obviously know nothing.

[@shayg4327]

@@deniseball7764you’re spot on

[@girl1213]

I often feel I probably wouldn't be as disliking of Charles and Camilia had they done this in the beginning, avoiding all the emotional affairs before the actual straight up affair. But I can't exactly expect people to be wise or strong when they are young, which neither of them was. All I can be thankful for is that at least someone in the next generation learned what not to do when it comes to fighting for who you actually love and didn't repeat the same cycle of mistakes. I've come to accept that they're not going anywhere and I don't have to like them because of my beliefs, but there's only so much energy you can give to hate before you grow sick of its adrenaline and the dopamine it brings doesn't work anymore. In the time since the Queen's passing, it's not *them* who are taking up the news screen time. Just like it wasn't the Queen who was on front page news in the 90s. They're not the ones causing problems, the drama.

[@hinahinananoha7783]

He did his best to marry Camilla, but he was given so little control. Why are so many so judgmental, is beyond me😮

[@Indy44636]

I love how the queen brought up diana . Showing how she did like diana

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

Bcz the RF chose Diana for Charles

[@Indy44636]

@fahimfaisalmahir567 though diana and queen didn't see eye to eye . Elisbeth did care for her in a way

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

​@@Indy44636 the queen DID care for Diana but did Diana ever care for the queen or the rest of the royal family? Diana was enormously ungrateful!!!

[@glen7318]

I dont think she liked her much by the end. She was sorry for her and tried to hlep but she found Diana impossilbe@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc

[@Vydio]

I think the Queen was a bit put off by Charles description of Camilla's behavior as heroic. None of the people involved showed "heroic" behavior.

[@user-tk3bi8hq3y]

Im sorry but this guy was delusional. Camila was never shy into reminding Diana, she was there and that she own Charle’s heart.

[@benjaminkurilla3943]

Well... love is blind?

[@dietdrpepper15]

I WISH Charles understood at the time he held ALL the cards. He was getting older more pressure to get married, but simply refuse “sorry, Camilla is my choice, period.” They had nothing to threaten him with. When the press asked about his bachelorhood “well I wish to marry but when I am able is up to the crown’s discretion”. Poor guy didn’t realize couldn’t be forced into anything, they would have had to bend to this choice.

[@HolgerRuneFan]

This would never, ever have happened in 1981. Diana even had to undergo a physical exam to prove her virginity. The Queen or the church would never have consented to Charles marrying a divorced woman with 2 children. Your scenario is engaging in presentism and not recognizing the stark reality of his choices as Prince of Wales in the 80's. He had to marry a vjrgin, period. Camilla was far from that.

[@autumninthewoods4522]

Exactly. He could've done what he wanted and they would've had to accept it, or else he could've abdicated and been happier with Camilla much sooner, and Diana would've been spared dealing with the royal family.

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

@@autumninthewoods4522You ppl talk as if abdication is something regular. It is a taboo for the royal family.

[@destinywhite2063]

⁠@@fahimfaisalmahir567Notice it’s ONLY taboo for the British Royal Family. For the other royal houses, abdication IS truly an option if they don’t like the rules. Or if they want out after a time. Simply give up their claim to the throne. They don’t exactly see it as a birthright to be held hostage to. The same way the Brits do. They will do what makes them happy. They see being king or queen as just an occupation, a real job. NOT something they’re entitled to. The British are always far too dramatic about the whole thing.

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

@@destinywhite2063Their positions are fixed by their birth. So it is their birthright to wear the crown or to be in the line of succession. To choose retirement is a luxury which they are not allowed to enjoy. Unlike other occupation, a monarch's boss is God himself and He decides when it's the time for retirement. Monarchy will get destroyed if they sway away from the traditionalism. British monarchy's strength is their strict adhere to rules. Everything has to go by the rule book and that's how they have survived for so long. The thing is Monarchy has to be dramatic, full of magic and mystery; otherwise, what's the point of having it.

[@pbhoulden8212]

I think the Queen's look at 01:29 says it all. It's her realizing, very bregrudingly, that she made in error in judgment about Camilla 25 years earlier and that Camilla is the love of her son's life, and that perhaps Camilla provided the love, support and confidence to Charles that she never could, since monarchy came before motherhood. There's the line in S3E9 "Imbroglio," where the QM and Lord Mountbatten are expressing all sorts of concern about Camilla but the Queen briefly dismisses them and says Camilla is not dangerous.

[@Krzyszczynski]

Charles never proposed to Camilla 25 years earlier, though, so the Queen had nothing to regret (except for raising such a dithering, petulant, self-centred prat of a son). Their romance had never been serious till he took up with Diana, to whom he offered the gratuitous insult of allowing Camilla to “vet” her for him. That was nasty.

[@R.J._Lewis]

I'm not sure if you meant it figuratively or literally, but if it was literal, the crown did not come before motherhood. Charles was born in 1948 and she acceded to the throne in 1952. If you meant it figuratively, well, I have no argument with that.

[@pbhoulden8212]

@@R.J._Lewis In the figurative sense yes that was what I meant. But also thank your for the literal reminder too LOL. I just always wonder if KG6 could have lived another 10 to 15 years, Charles would have been at least a teenager by the time his mother ascended the throne, if things would have turned out differently.

[@catherinespark]

I don’t believe this conversation happened. It doesn’t seem in character for the Queen to be this full of personal resentment and reluctance.

[@GypsyVictorious]

They really did Charles a favor with this actor 😂

[@TigerLily077]

Charles reminds me of my dad after my mom had died, but he's rather in love with himself not with someone else lol

[@heatherchandler1184]

You had me in the first half, not going to lie

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

So very sorry for your loss! This must have been very difficult for you honey. Your father won't get anywhere in life being this way! But you move forward and be your own individual !!! God bless you and good luck 🍀🍀🍀🍀 Stay strong.

[@dollparts4918]

They should have just let him marry her from the beginning. I’ll tell ya, this show would be a season less. Absolutely zero drama in that marriage.

[@JavertRA]

Camilla had always been willing to behave more like what is expected of a monarch's spouse, though she is less "showy" than Diana. Kate Middleton seems to have struck a happy medium; she's admired by the public (and does things like going down a slide during a visit grinning her head off) but she's also not someone who wants her life across the tabloids (as recent events have shown.) Whether Diana would have revealed that sort of thing to the public could only be speculated.

[@jgibbs651]

The late Queen made a massive mistake when she listened to her snobbish mother about Camilla; and her hypocrisy in continuing to champion Andrew PB when she knew of his serial adultery was breathtaking. In fact, the Queen Mother's influence on her eldest daughter was to the detriment of the monarchy far more than people realise. It was the QM who thought Diana would be suitable as a bride for Charles, even though she must have known about her deep-seated problems; worse still, after discovering just how impossible it was for women with an unstable background to settle into "the Firm", she still gave the green light to Sarah Ferguson, knowing that the long periods of separation involved in being married to a naval officer would be unsupportable for her without a strong family network behind her.

[@honestea1828]

Diana was good at concealing her issues to a point. Lady Femoy later apologized to the QM for not disclosing such.

[@ellevillamor4454]

​@honestea1828 I'm glad there are people who acknowledge that Diana had issues. Charles was not good in the marriage, but Diana was no saint either, both were very incompatible for one another.

[@autumninthewoods4522]

@@ellevillamor4454 I'm sick of hearing that she was no saint; we are all well aware of that by now. Had Charles stayed away from Camilla and tried to make his marriage work, perhaps Diana would not have cheated, either.

[@ellevillamor4454]

@@autumninthewoods4522 actually it was reported that Charles paused his affair with Camilla just after marrying Diana and that he only rekindled relations after Diana cheated on him first with her bodyguard. Diana also confirms this as she admitted in an interview that she cheated first in the marriage. And witness reports from people who worked with Charles and Diana actually said that Charles did a lot to try and please Diana from firing staff just because she didn't like them, distancing himself from his friends again just because she didn't like them, and to even getting rid of his long time dog just because Diana disliked pets. Apparently, Charles also tried to get Diana professional help for her bulima, but she would refuse. Eventually, Diana began cheating with her bodyguard and Charles, who had enough, rekindled his relationship with Camilla. Look, I am not defending Charles or his infidelity because he was far from the ideal husband, but to say that he didn't try to help Diana would be an overstatement. Diana herself, was also reported to be a difficult wife and she cheated on Charles with many men, including married men, which as a result broke several marriages. Again, I am not defending Charles, but if we are to look at the situation from a bigger picture, both sides of the marriage were unfaithful and just ultimately not a good match for each other. They had different likes and a huge age gap for one. When I first learned about the whole issue, I was quick to dislike Charles as well, but knowing what I know now, they really were just not suited for each other and to blame Charles solely for how the marriage ended would be an injustice.

[@Weiyinglou]

@@ellevillamor4454 That's not true. He was engaged to Diana, was fucking camilla, then post wedding avoided camilla for a time, but they were still fucking. He only had sex with diana once every 3 weeks until harry was born. She says this herself in the peter settlin tapes on camera, never knowing it would be released to the public after her death. Monarchies are retarded. Being 30 and dating a teenager you don't even like is even more retarded. No one forced the monarchs into anything. It's just idiocy the whole bit of it. Why anyone feels bad for them is beyond me when people in the world have real problems. They'll all (monarchies) die out eventually.

[@sharmisthabose243]

In all of this it was DIANA who lost everything

[@susancoddington6393]

They treated Princess Diana in such an awful manner,she was young beautiful compassionate but never had a chance with this bunch

[@IMP1963]

....and the true Queen really !!!!

[@susancoddington6393]

@@IMP1963 Agreed

[@rorythompson5410]

@@IMP1963 You would have to know nothing about diana to think that.

[@inmyelementblue7186]

@@rorythompson5410We know enough about to know that was done wrong. She was surely no Camilla the wicked homewrecker

[@rorythompson5410]

@@inmyelementblue7186 You know even less then the first poster diana had like 7 affairs during the marriage most of them married men, in fact the relationship with camilla was paused for years until charles and dianas marriage started to break down and then diana broke her vows first get a clue, her house was referred to as the revolving door for christ sakes. diana was a home wrecker far more then camilla ever was.

[@BirdGang6]

So this is what McNulty got up too after leaving Baltimore PD!

[@aaronramsonwhite]

Natural Police

[@unarinemutheloramabulana2505]

Do you guys think Charles had that kind of tone with the queen? 🤔 I dont think so, I imagine tjis conversation being a bit calm😅

[@RoadNetworkTV]

She naturally is silent lol

[@mistymeaner1753]

What the Queen needs...is Nanny McPhee.

[@kca3346]

Imagine going to your mother and asking for her blessing to marry your mistress who broke her grandchildren's home. 😒

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

Camilla didn't do that though

[@elite_artist351]

@@j-mshistorycorner6932she was was willing participant. She could have backed off, and insisted that Charles be divorced first. I’d she the sole reason for the mess? No, but she didn’t exactly try to step away from it.

[@honestea1828]

​@@elite_artist351She wasn't in it until Diana was already straying. He couldn't get a divorce until QEll approved it which, in trying to save Monarchial face, was a decade late.

[@agentrikamcgee]

How convenient of you to leave out that the one who broke the home was the wife they arranged for him who slept with several men, broke up MULTIPLE marriages ASIDE HER OWN, and trauma-dumped on her teenaged son. But sure, it was all Camilla and Charles' fault. Saintly Diana could never do wrong...

[@glen7318]

it was not at all clear if charles could be divorced in hte 1980s@@elite_artist351

[@robinrobyn1714]

I'm surprised that homeboy talks to the Queen of England like that.

[@KP-zd3hc]

I love Diana, but I love Camilla and Charles, too. 🥹 Diana made her son a better king-in-waiting. Camilla made Charles the best version of himself. They’re all complicated human beings.

[@kca3346]

How can you love Diana and feel any love for Camilla and Charles relationship? If Charles really loved Camilla then he wouldn't have married Diana and Camilla would have divorced Andrew if she loved Charles. But if they did that then Charles wouldn't be able to become king and Camilla wouldn't be the queen. They wanted it all and they didn't care about hurting Diana at all even though she walked into this mess at 18 while they were both in their 30s.

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

@@kca3346 Because we are all human beings. And we act like assholes during really serious parts of our lives. Charles and Camilla carrying on does not reflect on the kind of people they are in their jobs as king and consort and they are obviously absolutely devoted to one another. Diana was not an angel herself and gave as good as she got. She was still a wonderful human being who did a lot of wonderful things in her life and so have Charles and Camilla.

[@whoahorseywhoa4685]

@@kca3346 exactly ... they smugly played Diana

[@whoahorseywhoa4685]

@@xxwhispersxx2856 nope .... nope nope.... cannot respect loose morals

[@Yo19724]

​@@xxwhispersxx2856💯👍👍👍❤

[@terribolan2010]

If the queen and Philip would have stayed out of Charles' and Camilla's relationship from the beginning things may have gone much smoother.

[@honestea1828]

They were never in it. Camilla wanted to marry her love at that time and did.

[@terribolan2010]

@honestea1828 Please, they sent Prince Charles away because Camilla wasn't the sort of woman you married. She had been around the block and they didn't approve of her.

[@rosiebottom3870]

He never asked the Queen if he could marry Camilla back in the 1970s. Camilla wanted APB, not Charles. There was nothing to stop Charles marrying her, apart from the fact she had had a few boyfriends. Camilla and APB used to laugh at Charles crush on her. Camilla and Charles didnt get serious until years later after Camilla had her children and was fed up of APB's philandering.

[@honestea1828]

@@rosiebottom3870 AOB was actually threatened by Charles' interest in Camilla and he soon proposed soon after Charles came on the scene. Camilla did not mock and did care for Charles but has long been hung up on the older, more suave APB long before awkward young Charles ever came along. By the time she eventually grew tired to Andrew's philandering, Charles had grown up a bit.

[@rosiebottom3870]

@@honestea1828 no, APB kept her hanging on a string for 7 years. Her dad had enough and put the wedding announcement in The Times. APB, as a 'gentleman' went through with it.

[@bubbagump6934]

Don't call me Shirley!

[@misscoutts6193]

He didn't need to marry Diana Spencer to provide heirs he could have married someone else.

[@susanne9602]

If enough brats learned that they cannot have everything they want, this would be a more grown-up and responsible world. Most people learn that lesson many times in their life. I totally agree with the Queen's message in this scene that IF Camilla would have said NO to continuing their relationship while they both were married to their first spouses and put the same energy into making their marriages work as making a clandestine rendez-vous for a quickie they both could have saved their marriages. Charles asking the Queen to thank Camilla is beyond ridiculous. If Camilla truly wanted to protect The Crown, she would have backed out of the adulterous relationship to save the families from scandal. Isn't the King supposed to be head of the English Church? Isn't the royal family supposed to be the example of harmony to their public? Charles and Camilla have been nothing but. To Charles and Camilla it was and is still all about them. They didn't stop to think how breaking up their former marriages would damage their children and they didn't care. And yes, the royals did trick Diana by not telling her she would be a babymaker and not to expect any love or devotion from Charles and that he expected to have Camilla as his mistress permanently. Charles the King and Camilla the Queen.....what a farce!

[@JWRogersPS]

By "brat" you mean Diana, right? She was the childish one who acted out and pouted when she didn't get her fantasy world handed to her an a silver platter.

[@linzainib7441]

You obviously don't know the true story of camilla and charles, camilla was will always reamin chalres first great love. If the royal family were strong and not stubborn, and hateful towards camilla and accepted her and talked to the shand family instead of the spencer family, where the the father is after money and has been absent to his children leaving them with nannies. Camilla would have been amazing princess of Wales and diana would have learned to love someone for her. Camilla wouldn't have know as the listless and the royal family would let always blame her. Its not all camillas fault its mainly the royal families fault for not knowing their eldest sons love interest. Eventhough he was aplayboy he still held deep love for camilla and is the shand and parle bowels parents didn't plan a fake engament in the paper it would saved everything

[@rewind2482]

It’s a shame to the Church of England that Charles took up another wife and abandoned his first one. If he REALLY wanted to stay true to his role as head of English church, he’d do it four more times.

[@anyaw340]

@@JWRogersPS And yet, Charles would've been the same immoral, selfish individual no matter who ended up marrying him. The reality is that Charles was unwilling to put duty above his personal desires. As long as he didn't have Camilla - whom the Royal Family was NEVER going to let him have - then he was going to carry out the same affair no matter whom he ended up marrying in the end. He should've stepped aside, as his grand uncle did, if he wasn't up to the task of putting duty first, and insisted on pursuing a relationship with a married woman.

[@anyaw340]

@@JWRogersPS Also, it is the Royal Family who was in the wrong, not Diana. They snatched this very young, naïve, hopeful virgin out of her mundane, innocent life, and threw her into the very grown and harsh world of loveless marriages and affairs - and on the world stage, no less. Of course she wanted a fairytale - she was only 16 when she met Charles, and 20 when they married! How did they think it would work out - crushing a girl whose head is full of dreams and expectation at that tender age? She wasn't some old, worldly woman accustomed to major heartbreaks, disappointments, and scandal of the magnitude that she was forced to endure. And worse - Diana had more eyes on her than any other bride in history. She wasn't the first royal wife to deal with a cheating husband, but her shambolic marriage was more visible than any other marriage in history. The media was more advanced, ever-present, less deferential, more all-knowing, and more vicious than the media was in Queen Alexandra's time. Queen Alexandra was probably the last major royal wife to deal with major philandering by her husband - but it was without the incessant media coverage and visibility. Charles' affair was therefore FAR more visible and far more talked about than any other affair in history - making it all the more embarrassing and humiliating for Diana (who, again, is VERY young). The Royal Family reaped EXACTLY what they sowed with Diana. The correct thing to do would've been for the Royal Family to find an older, mature woman whom they knew would be experienced and emotionally strong enough to be content with the second life they KNEW Charles would be living as the world looked on.

[@deniseball7764]

Damned if you do and damned if you don't

[@gabyfields3235]

Why is it always so damn dark in the palace? Don't they have sunlight, or lightbulbs??

[@marywise7661]

the queen was right as always.if camilla would have ended her relations with charles when he married diana all would have been well.camillas husband left her because of her affair with charles and thats why diana left as well because of charles affair with camilla

[@jasonkoch3182]

lol. Sure, "all would be well." Let's just ignore the fact that Charles never actually loved, nor wanted to marry Diana in the first place. I simply do not understand the people who seem to think Charles is the bad guy here. He had an affair. Diana had multiple affairs. They weren't happy together. They got divorced. It happens multiple times a day every single day. It's long past time for people to get over it.

[@startracker5895]

@@jasonkoch3182Diana only had multiple affairs because she knew her husband didn’t love her. So she looked elsewhere for love instead. Can you really blame her for that?

[@marywise7661]

diana loved charles but he did not love her.if charles and camilla had not been lovers then perhaps everything would have been ok as the queen said camillas husband left her because of her affair with charles which is why diana left charles.diana only had affairs because charles did not love her@@jasonkoch3182

[@bailing77]

Andrew PB had always been unfaithfull so...

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

@@marywise7661 Camilla's husband had been unfaithful to her since the day one. That's why even after marriage Camilla used to sleep with bachelor Charles. Andrew and Camilla had an open marriage. Both were cheating on each other. Btw, Charles wanted divorce from Diana in 1986 after her affair got exposed but Diana refused since she didn't want to inflict the pain of having divorced parents on her children as she had faced in her childhood. But after the Panaroma interview it was Queen who ordered both of them to tread the path of divorce.

[@dusanpetrovic1181]

Good for him and for everybody else in this world who find a courage to end toxic and loveless relationships, as oppose to those who remain and torture each other as well as their children who, then, continue to cary emotional damages further.

[@joannegregory3024]

Heroic 😳 loyal 2 words that woman has no idea of

[@linzainib7441]

I do have to agree with charles here, i dont why many people hat season 5 and season 6 i say they worked much better on camilla and chalres then in season 3 and 4 where they shiw the actors jsoh and emerald playing them immature, manipulative and naive. I will always rate dominc andpivias role as camilla and charles higher then emerald and josh simce theh played them queit correct and mature, and they had more chemistry. So thisnis why i agree woth charles here, the queen was a good leqder and queen but when it comes to a good mother to charles she kind of failed. Here in thos scen moght not be queit correct but we all know the queen and prince philp and the royal family hated camilla. And when the press described camilla as a villian or whore, homewrecking marraige breaker, slut shamed on the front pages of the paper. They believed it here we see the queen being on andrews side. It literally annoys me when people blame camilla and charles for breaking each others marriages. When andrew cheated on camilla first and camilla did tell charles no she is married to andrew, she was a good mother to tom and laura. Just because qe didnt see camilla playing with her children on camera for everyone to see. I mean i filmed my niece but its on private snce i dint want anyone to see it. Camila probably has videos if her children but she keeps them private

[@heatherchandler1184]

Agreed. Andrew PB was known as an f-boy back in the day, not sure why she even bothered. In those circles they say the first marriage is for money/security and the second is for love. They say Diana cheated first too but I haven’t seen reliable sources on that.

[@andrefigueredo34]

His children motherless and he wanted a thank you to his mistress for making him happy.

[@barbara1407]

Those of us who were around from the beginning saw it all unfold. Diana and Charles were diametric opposites, both terribly needy in their own ways. He was far too old for her and of a serious mind. She was young and frivolous. He was in love with another woman - she retaliated with many lovers of her own. There were so many unsavoury incidents reported. Neither were blameless and they plotted and press released against each other. It was not a pretty spectacle that unfolded day after day in the newspapers. ‘The War of the Wales’ was a daily newspaper event. Prince William was used by his mother to listen to her grief and stories he should never have had to hear at his age. It terminated in a Paris tunnel with a drunken driver. I admire Prince William so much for how he came through all this and is a wonderful husband, father King in the making.

[@autumninthewoods4522]

I was around then, too. First of all, Diana was 19-20. Most young people are going to be frivolous; it's in their nature. It's called immaturity. Second, she didn't "retaliate"; she was abandoned and tried to find love with others. What was she supposed to do, sit home and pine away forever for Charles? Third, we don't know how much William heard from his mother; it's all speculation and hearsay from others. Fourth, this series is a partly fictionalized retelling with many real events and politics added in. "The Crown" is NOT a documentary, nor did the news stations and tabloids entirely tell the truth in all aspects. Fifth, as far as an age gap, there was 13 years' difference between them. Many men marry wives much, much younger than that-decades younger-and their marriages endure because they most likely have the same interests and ideals. Charles and Diana were worlds apart in every way and had nothing in common. They made mistakes because no one is perfect. Charles may or may not have had a dialogue with his mother about Camilla. Had he been a real man of courage, he would've stood up to his family even if he'd had to do what Edward VIII did; abdicate. Instead, he went through with a sham marriage and put two women and himself through hell for decades. Had he done the right thing, Diana might still be alive and be happy with someone else, and Charles and Camilla could've been happily married for much longer than they have been.

[@mysticalarchives7821]

Charles is so self-centered

[@giovanniserafino1731]

Don’t quite understand why all the fuss about divorce and remarriage. I’m not an expert, but wasn’t the Anglican Communion founded by a British Monarch who married and divorced several times?

[@suefisher4172]

Thank goodness common sense prevailed and Charles got his strength and stay. Imelda Staunton is excellent as the Queen.

[@urfavsh1teditor]

Charles: She's never never complained! Camilla in S5: Oh Charles, I cant even leave my own bloody house! Cant, go shopping, cant take the dogs out for a walk. I'm _literally_ under siege. *Literally* Right Charles, sure 😂

[@RoPiDe]

He means complaining publicly, washing the dirty laundry in public. Like Diana did...

[@urfavsh1teditor]

​@@RoPiDe ok fair but I still hate them both

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

​​@@RoPiDe very good point. Diana helped Andrew Morton write a book about Charles!! Diana complained non stop. A snake like Diana, doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[@CooperDianeBob]

We got give to Dominic he managed to make his Charles utterly insufferable

[@l.a.3479]

Dominic is good, but the previous actor was better at making Charles "insufferable."

[@honestea1828]

Dominic is a good actor but misses Charles' essence. Same with the Queen.

[@l.a.3479]

Good points ​@@honestea1828

[@rileykernaghan]

The dialogue here is cringeworthy. Glad I stopped watching long ago.

[@valaki469]

Poor Queen. It could be really tiring and boring to listen to the whinig of this grown up baby🤮

[@jhemmingway806]

Doesn’t Charles know to never lie

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

Diana, was asked by the queen's secretary, " Did you help to write this book with Andrew Morton"? Diana said, "no" Hmmm - doesn't Diana, know not to lie?

[@dawe-film]

A hommage on the great cast from this brilliant tv-show "The Crown" kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqbPqKJ_irCHbpo

[@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc]

What is Jimmy McNulty doing there?

[@nifralo2752]

Its fascinating how the queen and philip had a rock solid marriage but 3/4 children's marriages were train wrecks

[@c00mgoblin]

I find it deeply satisfying that her children will never be on the throne. It will always be Diana that won a battle she never should have had to fight to keep her marriage.

[@honestea1828]

Neither she nor.her children are interested in the throne.

[@leokeyxleokeyx9570]

how the show portrays Charles is absolutely abhorrent i understand they must ask for permission from the Crown, but seriously screw that dude irl

[@MrCardioFreak]

Indeed, the Queen sided Diana

[@MP-dn4bs]

the Queen sides with the crown. the Queen thinks Charles brought shame to it, but the moment Diana aired out her grievances in public she was dead to her as well. what the Queen would want is for them to live in their unhappy marriage turning a blind eye to each other and pretending for the rest of their lives. And that is something neither Charles nor Diana wanted.

[@honestea1828]

Not at all. Hence the divorce grant and lobbying for the law changed that allowed Charles to marry Camilla who QEll became quite close to and highly honored through the years. This scene is fictional.

[@glen7318]

sided her?

[@glen7318]

there was no law change, there was no legal bar to Charles marrying a divorced woman@@honestea1828

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

@@honestea1828 Maybe the queen realized that Camilla was stable whereas Diana was emotionally unstable and treacherous. The queen probably also thought that Camilla was very good for Charles whereas Diana was a homewrecker with all her mental problems and married boyfriends coming back to Kensington Palace!!!

[@ritamgbe6986]

Seriously if this is what he said and how he sees he’s actions, then I couldn’t be more grossed out by him. By both of them. To believe he’s actions destroy the life of another wonderful soul, ultimately leading to her death. I don’t think he even cared for a second. And to think that he believes that Camilla deserves a “thank u” for her involvement in this, is beyond me.

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

Btw, this is a fiction. So, the conversations are for drama. Now how do you claim that Diana was wonderful? She was equally adulterer. It wasn't like that she was faithful, and he was the one philandering. Destroy her life? It was quite opposite actually. Diana destroyed Charles' life by refusing to have divorce initially in 1986 when her affair got exposed.

[@jasonkoch3182]

OK, first of all this is a television drama, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that reality is different than dramatic television writing. No one has any idea what he said to the queen when he asked to marry Camilla, save for Charles and the queen.

[@ritamgbe6986]

⁠@@fahimfaisalmahir567Charles’s neglect of her lead her to commit adultery. Let’s get that clear. That woman wanted her husband, but he was too busy with someone else’s wife at the time. She was only human and needed to feel loved by someone since she clearly couldn’t get that by her own husband at the time who made vows to love and cherish her at their wedding. A need we as humans all share. Not only was she lonely, she was hurt by her husband’s infidelity as well. It’s true that this is television drama, but it’s mostly based on their accounts published so far.

[@user-uj2ku5fk7c]

LMAO what ? Diana death was by caused by the paparazzi incessantly following her which was the direct result of the obsession her so called "fans" had about her private life

[@Diamondelle84]

@@fahimfaisalmahir567 The Queen refused to let them divorce

[@Sir_Typesalot]

The Courtesan must win! Must always win! And in the end, the courtesan won.

[@hmmmm4005]

Charles went off to the navy and while he was gone she got married. Sounds like true love?

[@bullbunnies]

This show needed 2 more seasons at least. I think they wanted to avoid Prince Stop Touching Me

[@GooinBoots]

They cast him as Charles?! Way to rewrite history 😂😂😂

[@Adamdidit]

What does this even mean? You know the real guy is probably a bit busy to be on the show right?

[@fashionwire3364]

Netflix did a great job with casting actors that look nothing like the people they're portraying.

[@meekmeads]

The true reason the Queen reigned for so long ladies and gentlemen!

[@misscoutts6193]

Wasn't this the same as Uncle David had asked for?

[@r.stevens6205]

I find it so interesting that this man in his 30’s decided to marry a teen, that he and his mistress felt was mailable enough, to adjust to the pressures of her status. As well that would allow them to continue their special friendship. She did not get the warmth and support she desired to keep her going with all the restrictions placed her. And it’s her fault. Really 😳

[@carolcole570]

“ 5 months ago “ ? Get real.

[@christ1159]

A pity he has to grovel to her - over the women he actually loved.

[@honestea1828]

He didn't. This is fiction.

[@VenusEvan_1885]

It's ok to grovel your own mother, there is no shame in it

[@misscoutts6193]

Uncle David's ghost must have been in the Palace.

[@Sunimoal]

What Charles should have done is grow a spine. To be steadfast to his decision. Always be true to thy self and not to the decision of others. If he had been he could have avoided a lot of problems.

[@paulinedouet6740]

Je soutiendrai toujours ce type quoi qu'il arrive pour une raison l'amour personne je dis bien personne ne peut manipuler cela....

[@ianumpil873]

Diana was not a saint. Behind closed doors, she commited fair share of adulterous acts. Both of them are to be blamed.

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

Well said! I think Diana was with her married boyfriends at Kensington Palace and I wonder how she could hurt all those marriages and innocent wives and their children! At least Charles remained with his one true love Camilla. Those innocent wives should have given an interview or did something to shut her down! Diana was emotionally unstable and yet protected by the royal family - the same family that she almost buried!! Somehow Diana got over that part of her life. Hmmm...

[@glen7318]

how coudl Camilla not mind that she was hurting Diana and her children?@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc

[@phoenixr6811]

You don’t think ending your relationship with her when you married Diana was heroic. Burn😮 I know this a show based on actual events but if came to mother in an entitling way I just can’t 😒 it’s like he had no remorse and just selfish until he got what he wanted. I really hope he is not like for real.

[@Vydio]

I think Queen Elizabeth would have been more understanding if he hadn't tried to portray this as heroic, when it was 4 people (to include himself) behaving horribly.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

We could have avoided so much strife, toxicity and mental breakdowns if they had just allowed Charles to marry Camilla when he wanted to. Yeah she was never a better choice across the board but at least it would have freed Diana to actually go find someone who loved her and for Charles to be the person he wanted to be with.

[@Greekhistoryyy]

Camila was really heroic.

[@agnessalarda8011]

Even the Queen didnt approve the marriage because its a big no shes the witch queen i ever known even if how many years Princess Diana died iits stil lin my heart the real queen how can Camilla complain for many years she know she cant replace Princess Diana in our hearts even though im not a British cetizen i still adore her

[@ancientmariner7372]

So very many mistakes made by this family. So very many.

[@deniseball7764]

That statement exactly shows how just how conniving she is and he has no qualms over it because he is happy with it

[@deniseball7764]

So he should have done the decent thing and kept his groin away from camilla ... but decades later he was STILL bo..ing her - not again because their paths crossed. He helped to create the way Diana became and still luved most of his dream - no sympathy for him

[@restlessdj2094]

You have to ask your own mum to get married ?

[@Coryraisa]

Charles and Camilla are neither villains or heroes.

[@LichanEzung-fi6qj]

Charles is always under coke I guess

[@linzainib7441]

Stop you're talking crap he just wanted to be with the woman he truly loved th woman everyone hates but I feel like she will soon be loved and remembered for her book club. She is phenomenal and my idol

[@l.a.3479]

​@@linzainib7441Camilla is your idol?! Unbelievable.

[@honestea1828]

​@@linzainib7441Everyone hates? Not even most.

[@tonimcbride2205]

Not hard for me at all that both William And Harry suffer greatly in their own way when it comes to their parents, still to this day. P.t.s.d. Is real yall that’s what past trauma does to us. I can’t imagine my grandchildren at this age or any age for that matter …..walk behind their mama’s casket. Gut wrenching to this mamaw. Idk 🤷🏼‍♀️ 😢 then I sit back n see all the drama on Harry n meagan. So much bullyiness from the press media to social media. Issues bout race. My grandbabies are bi racial. Black dad n my daughter. I wouldn’t trade these blessings for anyone else. Now it’s the brothers n dad n if Harry belongs to his dad. Just absolutely gut wrenching heartache for this entire family. Now cancer omg, all of their stress levels have to be unbearable. I don’t know all the nitty gritty on it all but they need prayers. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@tigerfanfrv]

Should have told him “no”. Both showed poor judgment in continuing their relationship after both were married .

[@christophergough3100]

After the late Queen, Charles and Camilla will always appear as 'damaged goods' - weak people who couldn't face up to their responsibilities.

[@glen7318]

dont be ridiculous. Do you not know other people who have been divorced?

[@Susieq26754]

😂 Those spoiled royals!

[@girl123interrupted]

“Blameless” the toothy woman who wore white to their wedding. Awe so on brand for Camilla

[@hederlisa]

Him saying Camilla was his strength and stay, was the way to ask for the marriage. Him calling her heroic for not more openly galivanting their whorescapades was ..... a choice. Still whining like a child even at that age...

[@AnthonyJMurph]

It does make me think that Camilla, while wrong, seemed to take the criticism fully and never really complained in public. Charles seems to be a main problem in all of this.

[@waynethurman2144]

Charles the creep!

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

Diana, the pig! She took married men back to Kensington Palace - I feel bad for their wives and children - oops I forgot poor Diana was "lonely" and "hurting" two wrongs don't a right.

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

Diana, the SLOB!! Diana had her married boyfriends to Kensington Palace and ruined marriages and the innocent wives and children were hurt!

[@some_metalhead]

As wonderful as Diana was, yes, Charles and Camilla should have been allowed to marry way back when. Charles always loved her, and while that does NOT excuse his constant cheating and neglect of Diana, his wife, a lot of pain could have been avoided had the monarchy not been so rigid back then.

[@AnthonyJMurph]

I believe he couldn't marry Camilla because she was divorced and already had a kid. The Queen (now King) is the head of the Church of England. Their "Pope". The irony is that the religion was started by a divorce.

[@christianliechtenstein4879]

THIS WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT THE QUEEN'S FAULT !! SHE; THE RF; SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED CHARLES TO MARRY CAMILLA IN THE FIRST PLACE! ALL THESE SOAP OPERA WITH DIANA WOULDN´T HAVE HAPPENED; NOT TO SPEAK OF MY RUINED LIFE !!

[@jeromefitzroy]

Once a mistress, always a mistress

[@joelleginger599]

Funny how the princess of eating disorder was also mistress 😂😂

[@JoanMorrison-vq2jc]

​​@@joelleginger599 Very well said! Charles remained with his one true love Camilla whereas Diana was emotionally unstable and took her married boyfriends to Kensington Palace!. I feel bad for their innocent wives and children. Diana broke up 💔 a few marriages - Buckingham Palace hid Saint Diana's craziness every day! And yet Diana showed no gratefulness. She hated every member of the royal family.

[@glen7318]

she didn't hate them, and she iddn't break up any marriages@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc

[@startracker5895]

@@JoanMorrison-vq2jcCharles had lots of affairs. Not just with Camilla. He also had an affair with a disabled woman who committed suicide because he got bored of her and dumped her. Do more research on the matter.

[@user-cc4qd8nz2b]

In my humble opinion, this was a poor casting choice for Prince Charles.

[@jelficloud4635]

Wow so selfish

[@egortasa240]

What a complimentary depiction of Charles...

[@mickmerk1575]

totally unrealistic

[@Jacquesharris96]

How they go from talking about that evil woman to talking about Prince Philip Funeral hearse

[@thutmose7506]

This series lost its way in the last two seasons they made Princess Diana look like a naive spoiled girl while making Camilla look like an angel and Charles like a smart caring guy. The truth is clear Diana is a victim of these two psychopaths nothing more. Charles losing it while signing something about leaking pen days after his mother died was the best demonstration of that idiot normal behavior. He needed somebody that will not overshadow him like Diana and even his mother and Camilla offer him the best solution. I wish both of them get what they deserve.

[@michaelb9554]

I adored Queen Elizabeth, however, she was largely at fault for Charles' infidelity. Yes, of course, Charles was the one who cheated. That's on him! However, he never actually wanted to marry Diana. He was marrying Diana to satisfy expectations of the monarchy. He loved Camilla. His marriage to Diana was doomed from the start. Yes, Charles and Camilla engaged in an adulterous affair...but where was the forgiveness for them that the Church preaches as essential? Countless millions of people have divorced over the decades of the last 100 years and few of them have faced the outrage faced by Charles and Camilla. Divorce is a private matter, and it should have been kept private. Charles and Diana didn't make vows to the world. They made vows to each other. Their divorce was no one else's business. Everyone painted Diana as a saint...but she was far from it. Yes, she was a good person at heart, and she did many good things...however, Diana was no saint. She, too, was an adulterer. Her trysts are well-documented. I have never understood the desire of people to hate Charles and Camilla. Regardless of what has happened, Charles is a good man who has lived his life in service to his country, and he has done a remarkable job. Charles is always dignified, always well-spoken, always upstanding, always loyal...always a great representative of the crown, and for the people. Many members of the public need to learn to show that man some respect and get over their childish need to hold a grudge that was never theirs to hold in the first place.

[@jaxmanx]

Never liked the queen ever 😅

[@silverkitty2503]

sadly she is dead now thank you for your service