Printing at 600MM/s 35K

In this one im trying to print with the maximum recommended acceleration from input shaper resonance measurement.
-PLA: BTT black Mat 250C
-35K accel/decl
-600mm/s with 30 SCV
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[@Vez3D]

Ok guys, sorry if this has come out the wrong way, but this is not a video for TESTING input shaper or seeing input shaper results.. this was just a video having fun when you crank up accel to what klipper suggests. This part was perfect for high accel since it doesn't have corners or sharp angle... so there is not much shaping happening. Just high speed printing :) Maybe I should have not talked about input shaper first hehe... and just say lets print at 35k and 600mms.

[@articn0va]

Always so impressed with the walls on your prints.

[@killsalot78]

you can still see some ripples in the corner at 5:05 , filament and lighting do a lot, also this is a vid about the 'recommended' input shaping values so the results are technically pre-tuned and should be good on a good printer. also layer height helps a lot, even on a slow printer

[@Vez3D]

​@killsalot78 im not too shy about those ripples for 600mms and 35k :)

[@articn0va]

@@killsalot78 Yeah I understand it's not a flawless print, but considering the speed and size of the print, I would consider that pretty good. Can't even imagine how long it would take on a well tuned prusa or ender

[@killsalot78]

@@Vez3D not sayin you should be, but as speed printing gets more refined and profiled its very quickly gonna become the norm, but maybe I'm optimistic 😛

[@macropad]

It's amazing to see printers move this fast and at this quality. Got my 2.4 set up and I'm only hoping I can get close to this quality sometime soon at a fraction of the speed!

[@TheNamelessOne12357]

2.4 you mean Voron? It's not rigid printer, and if has flexible gantry. It can't be fast by design.

[@theloneliness7128]

​@@TheNamelessOne12357 BS some of THE top ten benchys where printed by a 2.4. Its just heavy. Stability ist more than given.

[@Blakes_Makes]

Easy. I run 25k and 400mm/sec with a rapido uhf and cht on my 350 2.4. That's with a longer stealthburner toolhead and running 40k 600mm/sec travel.

[@TheNamelessOne12357]

​@@Blakes_Makes What input shaper and frequency do you use? 40K is too much for any gantry, you'll get either ringing or filleted corners.

[@Blakes_Makes]

@@TheNamelessOne12357 40k TRAVEL moves.

[@davidwilliams-xc6kt]

jesus dude. always impressive. Like the F1 of FDM every time.

[@UmbraAtrox_]

This machine is just insane. I want one.

[@Vez3D]

build one :) we have kits or you could selfsource it too. Easy to build

[@UmbraAtrox_]

@@Vez3D I will when i am done with the printers i already have

[@davidhunt5885]

I think you said it perfectly when you said " It depends on what you use it(the part) for". I've printed at 120mm on my bed slinger printer and it still prints perfect looking but layer adhesion is a bit weak, but on those parts strength wasn't important so speed won for me (because it was a prototype for checking fit), especially when it turned an 18 hour print into a 4 hour print. I'd add that it's important to know your printers capability and what you plan to use the print for. Very useful information that might save you a lot of time in the future. In my case, it bought me time to tweak the design, reprint again and then later slow it down for better adhesion whereas I might have had to print 36 hours to get the final part I only spent about 26. 8 on the prototypes and then the final at regular speeds.

[@Wuast_3D]

thanks so much for all your work, im running my RR 500³ now on 15K@500mm/s, not completely tuned in for now, hope to get somewhere near 20K@800mm/s when i have more time, but lets see.

[@Wuast_3D]

movement limits are 25K@1000mm/s, lets see how fast i can print

[@TheZombieSaints]

Wow! Now that was a joy to watch. That's a good quality part too... Not just something that vaguely looks like the part. Well done 👍

[@ebrahiemmurphy6506]

beautiful printer, lovely work, competition for X1 Carbon and K1. Thanks for sharing.

[@johnnymac1976]

How your channel doesn't have more subscribers I am confused. Awesome content and sharing of your detailed research. Thank You!

[@TheExtremeElementz]

When it’s moving around at those speeds it’s making music to my ears. 😂

[@GantryG]

That printer is a work of art 👍

[@deathcube2006]

I print as fast as you do your first layer! Very nice setup!

[@s1ugh34d]

VZBot-3300 is looking hella awesome

[@3DPSpro]

Been watching and waiting a long time for full kits to be offered (no time for sourcing). I've been using a V2.4 350 for production for a couple years now, but it is now looking slow by comparison. This video makes it clear that I can likely get and easy 2x-3x print time cut with your kinematics and printhead/HE combo. Your designs have come a long way and now I see a kit, but it doesn't look like I can order it with water cooling. Also, I saw you were developing water cooling for steppers as well... is this ready for primetime yet? I'd like to use VZ printers for production and would like the option of PEEK/PEK and similars. Will we see a kit with all options offered soon? Perhaps at least water cooled HE option with the kit?

[@Vez3D]

There are kits available :) check link in description

[@ww-pw6di]

Impressive as always. Have you tried ironing at super high speed? Like crank up the hotend to 400c (if it can) and then blast away at those same speeds. I don't know what would happen, but it would be something at least.

[@Vez3D]

That might be cool to test

[@ryanw501]

Just came across this page today. Running ender5 plus. Nothing like u got... I'm envious. Have u done a walk around with ur printer

[@VladOnEarth]

Great gantry! Love it! Would be nice to see a side to side comparison of same part printed with 0.2LH instead and half speed to compare quality and see if it makes any sense to drop LH that low. Should take roughly the same time too. My guess is that you will see less ripple and ringing at arcs, while 0.2LH increase from 0.1mm isnt much noticeable IRL with eyes especially on larger parts.

[@Vez3D]

that would definetely how I would print it normally. Bigger layer height, more flow, and less speed with the same print time. But it would not make it as impressive to watch hehe. this is content creating and it has to be a bit of wow effect. BUT sometimes its nice to have the same print time but ultra smooth walls with 0.1mm too

[@VladOnEarth]

@Vez3D yeah, that speed is very impressive man indeed! Have fun with that! Haha! 🤙🏼🤙🏼

[@mbaulfinger]

This is an amazing piece of engineering. Printing at these speeds is the print’s structural integrity compromised at all? I print 1 wall thickness PLA and wonder how layer adhesion would be…thank you

[@SeattleShelby]

I’m putting linear rails on my Neptune 4 Max so I can crank it to 500 mm/s. I doubt it’ll look nearly as good as yours, but it should be fun trying!

[@olivier0092]

Can’t wait for the big cooling duct ❤

[@olivertrees]

that's gorgeous man, the extrusion is perfect. alarmingly quiet too?

[@justmalfu]

that first layer is better than my 30mm/s print.

[@mataksik]

Amazing project. Upgrades coming for my x5sa

[@FreakEnough246]

For mine too! 😍😍🔥🔥🔥

[@thorgraum1462]

this is by far my favorite platform. how much is it to build that motion system?

[@Vez3D]

you can get this full printer in a kit with all those parts for about 1250$ us plus 2-300$ shipping

[@thorgraum1462]

@@Vez3D DAMN! do you have a link brother? i was literally about to order a ratrig as we speak

[@thorgraum1462]

never mind, i saw it in the info section. thank you for making this mate, i cannot wait to have this mastepiece of a machine next to me

[@carlperreault8520]

Is this a pei bed ? I’m looking for a bed that support those fast movement glass is pretty heavy makes my room shakes

[@Vez3D]

@@carlperreault8520 yes pei

[@zacharymontgomery5597]

That’s amazing

[@Dave-wv9vc]

Thanks for the practical speed print! On a side note is mellow planning on selling your Nema 17 motor water blocks, I'd like to pick up a set for my Hevort.

[@Vez3D]

yeah in a soon future

[@rmatveev]

Simon, so what was the speed settings for the "superspeed" part?

[@Nairod785]

Have you ever tried sorbothane ? Magic material to dampen vibration

[@alex.germany]

Imagine this becomes the standard 😮

[@girenloland]

When are you making your own firmware ecosystem? You can call it Vezon 😁😁

[@jmsivori]

That's a crime scene, and the body is from a competing printer manufacturer. 🤭🤪

[@Vez3D]

haha

[@GreySectoid]

This is art.

[@torxfighter]

super slowmo footage of high accel when hehe. would be interesting to see if there is some wobbling or shaking going on

[@torxfighter]

Also. Do you measure with the ADXL mounted at the nozzle?.

[@Vez3D]

@@torxfighter yeah.. direcly on the nozzle. I wish I had a high speed cam . I have my mobil that can 960fps, but it needs to high light that doesnt flicker

[@jimbotron8552]

that's future fast baby

[@TH-wr1dv]

will it affect if you push infills to full speed and use recommended values only to walls?

[@kazolar]

I was seeing those ripples when printing with high accelerations too -- wonder where they come from.

[@jamesbont7052]

My old CR-10 can do this too, with a maximum of 150 mm/s... ;-) However, the higher the speed, the more it applies in the last layer, resulting in a slight overhang. All my printers have that, the faster ones.

[@spectermk1]

Isn't ZV the least aggressive input shaper?

[@Vez3D]

By agressive i meant only fighting one frequency where mzv smooths out wider band.

[@spectermk1]

@@Vez3D ah ok, was confused for a second there😂

[@LeandroPinheiroTI]

Great video ❤

[@francisnitsch-jones5908]

how do you get sqv that high? recommended is to not go above 5

[@ruzzcraze1862]

Would you ever ship some parts to CNC kitchen for hobby material science testing? I think he’s done videos on how print speed affects properties in the past, but I would be cool to see what difference you would find in a range of 10-600mm/s rather than just something like 10-60mm/s

[@Vez3D]

He tested with bad hotends though. Going fast and keeping strenght is possible. More heat and a hotend that can keep up :)

[@tigerkingboss9106]

Hi what slicer are you using ?

[@Vez3D]

Orca

[@tigerkingboss9106]

@@Vez3D thanks

[@PattysLab]

Looks verry nice!

[@mohsinhussain9983]

@vez3d are you selling complete printers?

[@Vez3D]

yes link in description. Its a kit though.. DIY.. but its complete with all CNC parts you see in this video

[@mohsinhussain9983]

Damn, I'm absolutely useless at building kits. Do you have video where you build them yourself. Also 2 more questions. Is the build guide detailed? Does it included the water cooling?

[@bentarr17]

How long did these prints take?

[@Vez3D]

1h

[@jme2006]

Hi, I've never seen this channel before. Is it possible to get this printer as a completely assembled kit? And is this your own printer that you started selling through Aliexpress? Or is this channel owned by a "vzbot" company and youre advertising for them? Is your company sole proprietor?

[@Vez3D]

haha there is no VzBoT companny, only me and my team :) I started this solo, but slowly a team of awesome people have joined me to create the Vz Team. The printer can only be self made either from buying the full kit or self sourcing all the parts from the BOM list. The VzBoT will probably never be a companny. Its open source project with a posibility to upgrade all parts to metal CNC. This is on the CNC parts that we can make a bit of money, im not going to lie, but we reinvest in dev and parts, and rum.. .cough cough... I meant coffee. I own the VzBoT licenses and we partner with Mellow and F3D in germany to produce parts etc. I have designed the goliath hotend as well. Its a fun project and the goal is to have fun and share the fun and create a nice community where can share the love and passion

[@jme2006]

@@Vez3D That's very cool. What advantages does your printer have over the famous voron? I'm new to this space of prosumer klipper machines. Also thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

[@thehaze1972]

@9:06 My thoughts exactly. :-)

[@abdulla060]

How long did this print take start to finish?

[@Vez3D]

1h

[@lukasschworer840]

What slicer was that you showed in the beginning?

[@Vez3D]

Orca

[@akira5872]

How long did it take to print bro ?

[@Brouk10]

The last 1 mm on height is expanded. Why is this happening? I have this effect on my V400 too...

[@Vez3D]

thats a good question and it has to do with the solid infill. I would have to check the slicer to see what happens on those layers

[@Brouk10]

@@Vez3D Hi, i couldn't try it. Could it be a issue with PrusaSlicer/OrcaSlicer with "massive Infill" or another setting?

[@zulelectronic]

That blower is for what? Only for first layer?

[@Vez3D]

for all

[@rexxx927]

great job

[@skrebneveugene5918]

wow, looks better than x1c )

[@TheNamelessOne12357]

I see over and underextrusion on the top surface during accel-decel moves. Probably, it needs some PA tuning. btw, what is your PA factor? I tried printing 0.3 layer 0.6 width @ 200 mm/s and my feeder (Mellow NEMA14 Sailfin) was not able to keep up with 0.04 PA.

[@twanheijkoop6753]

I saw a interesting write up from someone that showed that pressure advance effectiveness drops the further away you get from the speed you calibrated it at. So we might need to have speed bases PA

[@MuntyScruntFundle]

And how do you get one of these printers?

[@Vez3D]

its a DIY. You eitehr selfsource it yourself from the BOM or you can buy a full kit with all CNC parts you see in this video :) check in the description

[@pavelkolar9543]

That top layer "artefact" is caused by low infill or low nuber of top layers. But great job!

[@Vez3D]

could be

[@nikolakovacevic6063]

What slicer is that

[@pavelkolar9543]

Orca Slicer

[@Fearmelol]

Orca Slicer

[@SantiagoLuz]

First layer looks like it's just plotting ink! 😮

[@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov]

Maximum recommended acceleration is about "rounding" of trajectory created by shaper, it's not some random number, but math, exceeding this number will result in rounding of sharp angles on parts the more you push acceleration. So i don't really understand what exactly you've tried to test here, but your part is basically wrong for testing this recommended number

[@Vez3D]

im not trying to test IS or anything.. just wanted to print at the max recommended accel.. and at the end I mention that the part is perfect for high speed and high accel because there is no sharp corners :) this is not a test, more like a show off print :P

[@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov]

@@Vez3D i don't really want to argue and pick statements from video, but you know what you tell in it, if you believe that it is not misleading - ok than. I've watched it completely and gave a comment for those who might be mislead by statements in video and i've got useful info from it anyways, like the fact that effective belt length is indeed a main contributor to low frequency resonances

[@geometerfpv2804]

​@@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov...it's not misleading, get over yourself. He says "what would happen if we set it to the max accelerations Klipper suggests? Let's find out". Then he runs the thing. What is there to be misled about? He made no technical comments at all, it's literally a "let's see something cool" video. Some people need to get a life, I swear...

[@interdimensionaleagle6685]

holy shit 600 mm/s

[@jamesbont7052]

4, 6 or 8 Nozzle ??? oh, sry. 0,5mm ;-) 👍

[@DeepMoondark]

Fuck!!! and i keep struggling with the bed level of my ender 3 v2........

[@3D_Printing]

No option to Like or add to a playlist

[@daliasprints9798]

I don't see what this is testing. There are no corners to get rounded. The max recommendation is computed as the point at which the IS filter produces potentially unacceptable toolpath deviation, not anything to do with the max acceleration the machine can handle, which is easily 5x higher. I generally run 50-75% of the recommendation for outer perimeters and the max achievable without skipping steps for everything else.

[@Vez3D]

yeah I mention this at the end :P

[@daliasprints9798]

@@Vez3D Haha okay. I swear I watched almost to the end but then got interrupted and didn't realize there was more addressing this. 😁

[@olafmarzocchi6194]

You don't trust klipper, you use the test tower to find max accel without smoothing

[@ruzzcraze1862]

Bruh, this dude has made probably the most insane consumer stepper motor printer there is. I think he knows a thing or two about klipper.

[@coltenmeredith8899]

​@@ruzzcraze1862 My thoughts exactly.

[@maxdefire]

That's not how should you test layers adhesion.

[@Vez3D]

I know i know.. but that gives me a quick idea if it was strong

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[@dano5143]

Inseane

[@TheLiddokun]

What jerk ??

[@Heqsdee]

its on the description, SCV value is 30

[@leonle3168]

First

[@cristianopersi7953]

Man spending 5 minutes telling the same over and over. 🤦🏽

[@Vez3D]

just to annoy you my friend :)

[@cristianopersi7953]

@@Vez3D really??

[@geauxracerx]

I think if you added one or two more top and bottom layers you likely wouldn’t have the artifacts Man I’d be happy with ⅓ that speed

[@JamieHarveyJr]

You should name that part “Ollie” 🛹