Privacy-Friendly Security Cameras...Synology Did It!

[@techlore]

I'm hyped for the cameras but definitely let us know your thoughts on things! Stay subscribed to catch proper reviews once we get the products 🙏

[@cybeast0076]

They are hacked, show in Chinese hackathon

[@HarnoorSingh-pt2vf]

Make video on opera browser and opera gx

[@unlucky1307]

My question with their solution would simply be "Does it work with no internet connection?" If I can't have full 100% functionality and control on a local network that's airgapped from the internet entirely, then no amount of encryption or security buzzwords are trustworthy and it's all an act to try and harvest data and try and make people feel like they're not.

[@loopernagic4658]

This is my question every time I look for cameras and always ended not buying anything.

[@randykitchleburger2780]

Unifi video(now deprecated) or other more custom systems with zoneminder

[@MrREALball]

What does that mean "end-to-end encrypted" in case of these cameras? If footage is stored localy on the cameras and than you can access it through their cloud server bs, than their "cloud" acts like a proxy and you see the footage. So, if everything on cameras is encrypted, than who holds the keys? Your device? Where does it get it? Do I have to scan some qr-code on every device for every camera I use? Doubtful. Most likely the keys are stored on synology cloud account, which A) gives them full access to your recordings and B) could prevent you from accessing the footage at any time just because synology decided to. In fact, no matter how and where the keys are stored, the (B) would ALWAYS be applicable, since tHe ClOuD.

[@cornmanclips2671]

In this case it is a bit vague, but I think what they are trying to say is that there are two options, either not paying for a cloud, server, etc. and accessing the camera's remotely. (I assume over a LAN connection, via the router without directly accessing the internet.) End-to-end encrypted would likely mean that the camera's recording is encrypted, then sent to the recipient's device, then decrypted on that device meaning it is much harder for any potential middle-men to access the recording. It is possible to store an encryption key locally (For example, YubiKeys) If a cloud server is purchased, I would assume that the server allows sending the encrypted data to store, to then be decrypted by the local device for viewing. The above is based on assumption, I have quite a bit of experience in technology to make these assumptions, though you are correct in having doubts as no exact answers have been given yet. Apologies for the inconvenience, and hope this might help as an explanation, as speculative as it might be.

[@jonaharagon]

You enter your encryption key each time you access the dashboard, so similar to how Proton works.

[@MrREALball]

@@jonaharagon so, than how on earth do I know if Synology doesn't store it somewhere? I just don't trust any cloud, but especially there is no way I'd trust my CAMERA data with Synology.

[@l32789]

Thanks for the video. Look forwarding to the future review on Synology cameras.

[@jeremykrall1694]

I can't wait to see your reviews of the cameras to figure out which will be best for my house!

[@chrislaw42]

Would def like to see a review

[@tnetroP]

Love these. Interested in getting one.

[@shihyunchiu3747]

Great video! Love it! Thanks for sharing :)

[@likebot.]

So they require internet. Hard hard pass

[@LeonEdwinsHeart]

Thank you for this video. I am aware about Synology because of NAS. I didn't know much about their security system. This video helped a lot!

[@itsapersonn]

This is so exciting! I've been waiting for privacy-focused cameras for so long, and now it's (almost) here!

[@Jenny-px5tu]

Who holds the encryption key?

[@RichardDressler]

Synology: We provide you a key to your own property. Aren't we awesome? Consumer: Do I have absolutely any way to verify that you haven't kept a key or installed a hardware backdoor? 🤨 Synology: 😏

[@LordHog]

What are the models numbers for these cameras? I think that Synology DSM requires a license of more than two cameras are used. So, is a DSM license required if using more than two cameras?

[@GrandmasCamera]

I think each of the Synology branded cameras comes with a license or doesn't need to be licensed

[@Tom_Neverwinter]

@@GrandmasCamera needs a license. so $$$$

[@jasonshere]

2:56 A "Electromanetic" Lock - But in all seriousness, it sounds like a great product.

[@RichardDressler]

I'm finding techlore less trustworthy by each passing day.

[@chow9893]

Why, what happened man?

[@RichardDressler]

@@chow9893 Relax, don't be so paranoid. Adjust your threat model. The governments not out to get you. You can totally trust this one brand of spy-crap recommended specifically by us. Why? Have they actually done any kind of hardware analysis? Best case scenario they've taken a paper bag full of money and decided they just don't really give a crap. More likely they have caved to some form of pressure, from some party; that has some specific undisclosed interest in remoting my home camera system.

[@c0wg0d]

Really interested to see how the cameras do, especially would love an in depth review like The Hook Up does where we see how it does at night time and with reading text and seeing faces at different distances. Hopefully it's easy to setup and easy to access remotely from your phone.

[@2masMusik]

When they say "stored locally" i assume they mean on my NAS? Or is it a memory card in the camera?

[@techlore]

Memory card on the camera

[@2masMusik]

@@techlore Thanks for taking time to answer, much appreciated. Why memory card thoough when the camera is connected to a NAS that has superior storage capacity and that is also backed up properly? Sorry if its a stupid question but im new to both the channel and security cameras overall.

[@LakeVermilionDreams]

​@@techlore great so someone destroys the camera that captures them breaking into my property and I'm screwed unless I pay for their cloud retention...

[@SHALLGLISTENBEFORETHETEMPLESOF]

@@LakeVermilionDreams Why directed at techlore? Do you think he makes the product? A face covering would achieve the same result, for any camera

[@B-RaDD]

​@@LakeVermilionDreamsI have zero knowledge in this space but I'm assuming that there's no way you a "security camera company" would make a camera that you can just break or steal and now have no footage. Im assuming the footage will be going into your hardware memory that's in your home.

[@JuggaloNY]

I picked up on pretty much the same critiques AI related. From a really dumb down and friendly UIs end perspective, people want to know whether this thin is connected to the internet safely? Is it all local hosted? If so, can I view it on my phone without the internet add view on mobile? 😂 I have to use X. How is safest? What way date/mobile/ hardwire/SIM? How is the safest way to go about doing so? If there's a cloud involved, why do I have a local device? Can I cut the cloud out altogether? But If I have to use the cloud, why? People need to know this stuff plainly and very clearly. This is what I've seen people trying to communicate. When trying to ask, Thx good video.

[@Tom_Neverwinter]

use a vpn. run blueiris or frigate. stop buying overpriced junk. onvif cameras are cheap and plentiful. you can vlan

[@milkywaffles5701]

“Why everyone needs a Google Nest cam” in your next video please. Would love to see you guys go to Google HQ and have an exciting day out while shilling that their e2e encryption is the best for privacy. Love the new direction in pushing cloud based services for privacy

[@Square31]

Or just get wired cameras? If ANYTHING is wireless it can be hacked and spied on.

[@rjbse]

LMAO this is such an old school thinking. Wireless transmission is encrypted, so even if you intercept the data you can't decrypt it.

[@-someone-.]

Exactly. Wireless itself is a vulnerability, even if one has an encrypted transmission... and the noise / traffic that wif creates is a health hazard.

[@laurencefraser]

@negativerfan to be fair, things that are encrypted Properly take such an absurdly long time to decrypt that it's functionally irrelivant... if the hacker actually has to break the encryption. Which is why the prefered attack vector is the human who uses the encrypted system, and/or vulnerabilities/flaws in said system that allow the hacker to bypass the encryption process. Wired is preferable to wireless whereever it is sufficiently practical, of course, as it's just generally more reliable and one less weak point. Mind you, I'd argue that being connected to the internet at all is a more significant weakness than a (compitently implemented) wireless connection to the LAN, for much the same reasons. Ideally your cameras would connect back to a PC that managed them and connected to nothing else... but if you aren't in a position to have someone monitor the cameras 24/7, you lose a lot of the benefit of having the cameras in the first place is you don't have a way to access them remotely, which means an internet connection... at which point the weakest point in the whole thing is probably either your router or the mobile device you're viewing it on. (of course, then you're sending Video over a mobile data connection, which is its own issue in many places). Tradeoffs all the way down, really, and as with all such things 'how much do I trust the people who made this?' is a big issue.

[@kristopherleslie8343]

Square just retire

[@Tony_Sab]

so i can have my own camera system monitoring and recording while saving everything to my private cloud?

[@kristopherleslie8343]

Yes

[@valley5882]

Shoul be open source to verify the claimed end to end endcryption, needs to work locally without internet connection for maximum security...

[@NomadOutdoorAdventures]

I really like the idea that this company is doing. I have been using TP link they have really affordable Wi-Fi cameras that don’t require a subscription and also allow you the AI features. Don’t really know how much security they really have as far as encryption goes. I need to look into that a little bit more.

[@quillometer]

There's this Dutch saying "wij van WC-eend..." which seems to be applicable to this video. Bit disappointing tbh.

[@arisoda]

Synology: FULLY ENCRYPTED, 100% SECURE IN THE CLOUD, BABY Clients: Cool, so who holds the keys? Synology: WOOO YEAH BABY!

[@jonaharagon]

You hold the keys, otherwise we wouldn’t have said they’re end to end encrypted lol

[@arisoda]

@@jonaharagon Can we actually see that? Like on Signal? Or is it more like WhatsApp where we have to "trust" it's end-to-end encrypted

[@jonaharagon]

@@arisoda you enter the key whenever you log in, so it’s most similar to Proton. Of course we won’t know full details for sure until we get our hands on them ourselves later this year, like the video says.

[@satysin630]

Do they have HomeKit support?

[@LakeVermilionDreams]

This is a huge disappointment from this channel. Where are the tough questions promised at the beginning?! Why are we trusting some corporation's cloud platform with our camera footage? This video is nothing more than the bare minimum video synology demands to take you on a field trip. Corporate lackeys! I really fucking miss Michael Bazzell.

[@penultimatename6677]

Michael Bazzell is still around.

[@LakeVermilionDreams]

@@penultimatename6677 is he? He stepped away from the podcast. Where is he now?

[@nedludd7622]

Do security cameras make you safer? What are the statistics?

[@RichardDressler]

Oxymoron. The Australian government has after all decided that my front and back porch are outside, and therefore public space.

[@penultimatename6677]

In the US the BC500 and TC500 cameras have been sold out for months. What is going on? In that group on the wall there appears to be a long range camera that is new.

[@MrREALball]

Reolink are the best quality cameras overall and are able to be 100% local on your server. And has always been, unlike synology. I have zero trust in synology cloud bs.

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

People seem to fail to comprehend that "the cloud" is some other fuckers hard-drive

[@Tom_Neverwinter]

you can buy onvif cameras and still pay way less over the lifetime of your hardware vs synology

[@hellocyrax]

Plz respond