Pro-Choice Christians? | Doug Wilson

[@kevinjackson4933]

'Can't we all just get along' means 'can't you all just submit to me?'

[@Sundayschoolnetwork]

And accept my sinful lifestyle as good.

[@michaelversace456]

Yeah if that's what you take from this then you make me glad I don't subscribe to this child raping cult.

[@kate60]

Correct

[@cabbage9412]

Yes love our neighbors but love them enough to tell them the truth so they are not deceived and do work for the devil Jesus came for our hearts full of grace and truth so we may be set free

[@Sundayschoolnetwork]

Amen.

[@DM-dk7js]

What if they don’t want what you’re selling? Well then you ought mind your own business and leave them alone and stop invading their privacy.

[@jamiejay7633]

This guy looks like the evil villain from Shrek 2. Just saying.

[@hilarywalton1143]

@@DM-dk7js so if your next door neighbor decides it is ok to kill their two year old and they disagree with your opposing their opinion, should you mind your own business?

[@billmoran6957]

“When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” - Thomas Sowell

[@megofiachra3247]

I agree with Brandon: we should not dehumanize humans…starting with the practice of dehumanizing babies in the womb. Let’s remember they are human and deserve the protection of their fundamental right to life just as much as every other human being.

[@Kyle_Hessler]

Nailed it!

[@StaceeMassey]

Bingo 👌

[@kennysfdg471]

"They had us in the first half, ngl."

[@JB-em9po]

First thing that came to my mind as well.

[@DM-dk7js]

Sure. For your family. But you don’t get to tell random women how they can and can’t treat their own pregnancies.

[@thewisceeeggg1624]

I often wonder why pro-choicers want civility from pro-lifers. There is NONE granted to the innocent, helpless child. But the request seems more about the feelings of the pro-choicers.🤯

[@arepadetrigo]

His position is basically, "let's all be friends while we continue to kill babies." Sounds like a certain philosophy from the 1940's.

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

Doug is such a much needed voice right now. I really value the wisdom and admire the guts it takes to say what needs said. God bless Doug and the Canon guys.

[@jamestrotter3162]

It's better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Brandon Robertson definitely removed all doubt a long time ago.

[@megofiachra3247]

Did Jesus fit Brandon’s definition of loving and civil when he drove the sellers from the temple?

[@keithwilson6060]

Jesus had a terse word for quite a few people while remaining perfect Love.

[@Numenorean921]

he didn't turn sinners away, but he always rebuked their evil.

[@ungas024]

Jesus have a very interesting use of words against hypocrites and sinners.

[@banemaler]

At what point does one admit that the pleadings from Brandon are simply from a wolf.

[@kaylar3197]

Oh, yeah, he’s a wolf for sure. He has been for … everything I’ve ever seen from him. Not sure how that changes the response to him?

[@fabiogalavotti61]

It is amazing how this guy, thinking that he is speaking in accordance with biblical teaching, can communicate completely distorted messages on every subject.

[@franceshaypenny8481]

They think of Christ as being a hippie-communist revolutionary. Reading the bible is too hard and judgmental.

[@gavinfortin1584]

I wonder if he actually thinks that or if he’s not just using Christ for notoriety because he actually doesn’t believe. It’s not hard to imagine that someone would recognize how popular they could get if they found a way to “reconcile” Christ w the wicked human heart and it’s desires

[@argerm57]

I assume you mean Brandan Robertson, not Douglass Wilson.

[@fabiogalavotti61]

@@argerm57 Obviously I'm referring to Brandan. The first time I saw him he was explaining how Jesus had been convinced of racism by the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:21 ...). In that case, his video was analysed by Mike Winger. Unfortunately he is not the only one who promotes this type of heresy.

[@fabiogalavotti61]

@@gavinfortin1584 Maybe ... however, I see that this is his job, he is a "priest". Maybe we say the same thing, but what strikes me is the conviction with which he says what he says. Yes, he is seeking notoriety, but not just for himself. I think his goal is to promote an interpretation of the gospel that can authorize lifestyles that are normally contrary to the Christian faith. For example, as you may know, he is a gay, and his interpretation of the bible authorizes and encourages these kinds of relationships as accepted by God.

[@MasteringMayhem]

A fixed transcendent Standard is necessary for all moral and ethical judgments. Amen.

[@aallen5256]

It really isn't... As all democratic societies everywhere attest. I mean the Taliban and ISIS operate from the position that theirs is the only standard; fixed, transcendent, but the moral and ethical judgements on display in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria hardly confirm this!

[@MasteringMayhem]

Democratic societies have their fixed transcendent standards as well, it can be the State as the ultimate standard or the people or the majority, etc.

[@aallen5256]

@@MasteringMayhem The standards and practices of democratic societies are not fixed, nor are they predicated on a transcendent god or sacred text, they’re developed from social interaction and legislated by democratic process. The people, the state, the majority, none of these are fixed standards - they are liable to shift and evolve with social, cultural, technological developments. Unlike the incontrovertible word of God as found in the Koran and enforced in society by the Taliban, for example.

[@jaquirox6579]

I’m about giving up on Christians that hold “Thou shalt be nice” as the 11th commandment. It feels impossible to get through to them. 🤦🏼‍♀️💔

[@dave1370]

I agree to an extent. But even St. Paul talks about the virtues of love in 1st Corinthians 13

[@jaquirox6579]

@@dave1370 Well there is about a million different ways to take my comment, so that’s fair that you took it that way. ♥️ But I was actually referring to the war on Truth, and how even churches have compromised it now. Preferring “niceness” above truth, and viewing any about of honesty concerning lifestyle, theology, God, as harsh or mean or rude. Even when you earnestly do try to speak all things in love and out of love. It’s more the sudden revealing of the truth that they don’t like. So it’s easier for them to title you as sort of “not being Christlike” and “rude”, instead of actually considering the thing you have just spoken. And taking that thing on its own to consider if it’s true or false. People don’t care anymore vastly as a whole. They just want smiles and nice, even as they trot straight to hell, while believing they are Christian. But you speak a basic Biblical truth like the Gospel, and now you’re “being mean”. Paul specifically… would have some really strong words today if he saw what I’m talking about in the Church. I don’t think anyone would consider what he would have to say as “nice”. Paul was a very strong and direct man, from how I read him at least. He often was very set apart from the others because he was very different. Today our churches would rebuke Paul for their “11th commandment”.

[@mrs.garcia6978]

Brandon isn’t a Christian but I completely get you 👍🏻

[@jaquirox6579]

@@mrs.garcia6978 Oh I didn’t know that, thank you for the info friend. 🙏🏽♥️ So I suppose my comment is moot now. 😂

[@markmeyer6729]

@@jaquirox6579 Brandon still utilizes (distorted) scripture and the (misrepresented) persona of Jesus to make whatever convoluted points he cooked up. He also directs appeals to young Christians, so is not beyond being held to Christian standards beyond which I would not ordinarily apply to non- believers. He used to be in evangelical circles, so he knows what he is doing. I would also consider your comment generally good. Agape, as instructed in 1 Cor. 13, may require tough honesty.

[@stevenpage1932]

He never once mentioned "babies are killed in the womb". Why should we agree to that, there is no debate.

[@flavadave3943]

It’s so hard to love your neighbor when they’re this stupid. And I don’t mean that flippantly. I seriously find it difficult, and that’s a problem for me as a Christian. But it’s so hard to believe that these people are genuinely this ignorant or unintelligent. It just looks like evil. Anyway, great video. Thank you for calling this kid out on his idiocy.

[@AnniEast]

This guy is a minister, or should I rather say a 'minister'? He is also openly homosexual and condones pretty much everything the Bible teaches us not to condone but since he doesn't see the Bible as the inerrant word of God it would make sense that he thinks this way. Pray for him, but really pray for the people that go to his church, they are lost.

[@flavadave3943]

@@AnniEast yeah, I’ve heard his bs before. Insanity is running rampant in this country.

[@reihanabi]

"and the science--" that always makes me laugh. the science? "it isn't a human" = the science is the first thing they throw out, in every argument, about anything, every time, yet they ALWAYS claim it's us that throws that out the window. I mean ... ... ... sigh. "you must have a fixed standard." yup.

[@DM-dk7js]

That doesn’t really matter either way. What does matter, is forcing you theocrats to realize the FACT that you have absolutely no authority over the bodies of 167,000,000 random women. Worry about yourself. Mind your own damn business. Or in other words, stop putting your nose where it doesn’t belong. You’re not a factor in a woman’s pregnancy. It’s creepy.

[@AlienPsyTing1]

To him the bible should be subject to science not the other way round

[@OhioCoastie94]

Brandon is a smiling, friendly, winsome ambassador of Hell.

[@AnniEast]

Isn't that what the Bible says they will look like, much like their father that comes as an angel of light. Pray for the people that think this 'pastor' brings truth.

[@OhioCoastie94]

@@AnniEast Brandon isn't a pastor.

[@AnniEast]

@@OhioCoastie94 my apologies, I should have written 'minister'.

[@MDART-oo5dt]

was gonna thumbs up but 33 is such a nice number.

[@riders.oregon4474]

I am extreme. Extremely against abortion.

[@JB-em9po]

Thanks for your response Doug. My word it’s good to hear some sense spoken. Wisdom is more valuable than gold and silver.

[@twood6992]

Answering a fool according to his folly. "Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes." Proverbs 26:5 Brandon Robertson is definitely "wise in his own eyes"

[@2wheelz3504]

I don't think that verse is very nice. Brandon is a butt-head. No logic whatsoever.

[@TomBombadil89]

How is Brandon Robertson so consistently wrong? He's worse than a broken clock.

[@wojak91]

he's a slave of satan doing his father's work of attacking the truth of God's word.

[@reginr]

Watching from Okinawa Japan Pastor Doug~

[@zacdredge3859]

Condolences and blessings to Doug and his family. Thanks for the video.

[@jp22344]

A wise person once said, “It is not that the person who murders babies has no other choice [in murdering babies], it is that they have no other desire.” To claim that those who are “pro-choice” (a self refuting claim, by the way, since they care not for the choice of the unborn in the womb), do not want to murder children is demonstrably and evidently false.

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

If abortion is “murdering babies”, what do you think the penalty should be?

[@JessiD618]

If we as a society agree to recognize abortion as murder, then I think it should bare a similar penalty to any other murder charge.

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

@@JessiD618 Clearly society doesn’t agree to recognize abortion as murder. What do you think the penalty for abortion should be?

[@HogMOther]

Death

[@Steve_T14]

@@Jonas-gl9ke he told you what he thought the penalty should be

[@jeanettejeanette1199]

Love is telling someone they have spinach in their teeth. By this guys standard, he'd let someone walk around with food in their teeth. Sometimes you need to be uncomfortable and tell someone something uncomfortable to help them. But in this circumstance with abortion, its helping someone with their journey of salvation. Not telling telling they are in the wrong is selfish, because it makes you feel better to not have a difficult conversation Lol

[@quantum-q8j]

... so how come there's music playing in the background... 🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelnapper4565]

So... The homosexual "preacher" is also a pro-choicer? Go figure.

[@justwannaridemabike]

Thank you Doug, the more this man talks the more he shows himself to be a fork tongued wolf in sheep’s clothing. May God bring judgement on his false teaching, show him his sin and grant him repentance.

[@arepadetrigo]

Amen.

[@nathanflory9641]

Wow you are wrong

[@justwannaridemabike]

@@nathanflory9641 in the words of Doug Wilson ‘by what standard?’

[@janettelewis6681]

Chillingly similar to the talking points of Tim Keller

[@toddhenryvanvoorst]

You do not love your neighbor by letting them murder your other neighbor

[@Mustachd]

Exactly Douglas. Why would a pro-choicer want a decrease in abortions? Thank you for pointing out that logical inconsistency.

[@jesuguru2394]

@@austink641 Why just the pre-born then? Why not just kill more people outside the womb to reduce poverty? Fewer people = less drain on limited resources. Why limit the "choice" to those (conveniently and helplessly) still in the womb? In some societies, not only pre-born but babies up to 2 years old could be left to die on a mountaintop. Is that wrong, and why?

[@hudjahulos]

​@@austink641 *A Christian can say “I see that all life God created is good” and thus value pre-born life* How much do you value it? Apparently not enough to fight to preserve it. *while also recognizing a poor pregnant woman, by continuing the pregnancy, will likely lose her job for taking time off to care for herself and her developing baby, creating circumstances that would jeopardize her very life. This is a real things that happens often.* Even granting all that, that still doesn't justify the taking of the unborn life. I can speak from personal experience that my mom was poor and single when she had me. She was in nursing school and made unbelievable sacrifices to provide me with everything I needed. This was all before she became a Christian which testifies to the incredible _natural_ love that a woman should have for her child. If a Christian woman is legitimately confronted with the moral dilemma or choosing between her life and the life of her child, and I suspect this is very rare contrary to your postulate, would you really encourage the mother to preserve her own life at the sake of the baby? What does the Bible teach? Self-preservation or self-sacrifice? I could rattle off verses if there is any doubt in your mind. I remember during my wife's first pregnancy I asked her what she would say if there was a medical complication that could put her life at risk and I will never forget what she said. "I would never kill a baby just to save myself." I was stunned. I will never have to make that choice as a man and thankfully neither did she, but for her at least the choice was clear. *It is always more risky to be pregnant than to not be pregnant* This is true. *especially if you’re living in poverty. 50% of abortions are obtained by those in poverty, with the next 25% at or near poverty levels.* The current poverty level for the continental U.S. is 17,240$ annually. If that's what you mean by "poverty" than realize that nearly every single person is human history has had less than that. You would justify the killing of nearly everyone in history based on your blatantly non-biblical standard. The Bible teaches that children are a _blessing,_ not a financial _burden_ as you suggest. Even today, the poorest countries tend to have the most children and the fewest abortions. Why do you think that is? *This is why focusing on the policies that increase economic security, education, and access to healthcare* Those are all good blessings, but that's not what Christians seek first - Matthew 6:33. *dramatically reduce abortions without tying the hands of women who know the risks in front of them. This is why the pragmatic position - one in which you don’t outlaw abortion but seek to address the circumstances in which they are obtained - is a moral and Christian position to take.* Do you want to "dramatically reduce" sex trafficking or do you want it abolished? Would you have argued for the "dramatic reduction" of slavery or for it's abolition in the 19th century? Where does God ever qualify any of his laws in terms of reduction? My Bible says "thou shall" and "thou shall not". Jesus said "Go and sin no more." The Bible is clear and the Christian position is clear.

[@markmeyer6729]

@@austink641 regarding losing her job to care for herself... endangering her very life... Ever heard of the family medical leave act (FMLA)? An employer would have to be really stupid to fire a woman over pregnancy related issues. They would end up in court. Secondarily, a Christian can also say that bad and or immoral decisions have consequences. If you are in no position to support a child, don't get pregnant. If one is married and birth control fails, supporting you is a husband's responsibility. If you are single, well, everyone knows how pregnancy occurs, and under that status, that is called fornication. And God's law prohibits that. Sin has consequences. Because sin is a conscious decision to disregard God's will and established order. Not to judge, given that I have learned a few hard lessons as a consequence of my choices as well, and thank God that there is grace. There are Christian groups and organizations through which Christians manifest that grace by offering compassion, emotional and practical support, and love to girls and women who find themselves pregnant. There are also Christian support groups who help women who have made an irreversible "choice". Your "compassionate" option ignores this consequence of sin. Ever seen a woman dealing with the realization that "I killed my baby "? That is an exact quote I have witnessed a woman make. It was said amid sobbing and tears. No one was accusing the woman, there was no context of it even being a topic of discussion. It was just a heartfelt, gut wrenching recognition of the truth of her irreversible choice. Your argument that the baby is expendable in the name of Christian compassion is, frankly, abhorrent.

[@AnniEast]

Jay Hu and Mark, both your comments are filled with excellent points and I truly pray the pro choice Christian would reevaluate their position and seek God through His Spirit and Word on the matter. I was once a 'whatever rocks your boat' and 'who am I to judge' type of girl, but since the Spirit came to reside within me, His Words echo so loudly in my head...here is an example...You knitted me together in my mother's womb, I am fearfully and wonderfully made. We cannot ignore the fact that abortion means to end the life of a living, growing and already loved by God human being. Regardless of the circumstances that brought this life into being, it's not that little growing human' s fault their parents are messed up. What they deserve is respect and love, and what is more respectful and loving than to not kill them, but to grand them a chance at life as that mother was granted a chance at life. I'm still pro choice, I'm always pro women making good choices...one of those very good choices would be to not kill your baby. There are wonderful organizations that can help.

[@Telkor]

I think if Jesus had to watch this young man's video, He'd spit it out of his mouth.

[@AnHebrewChild]

Jesus is all knowing, he is God. He has watched this video.

[@Yela927]

The crazy thing is the more you go further to the right or the left, the more sense the issue starts to make. There’s not as much nuanced hogwash as he wishes there to be.

[@shftin2gear]

Never really thought about it like that but yeah I agree that the more you go to the right or left, the more consistent the argument will become. In the middle you're trying to pull conflicting things from two mutually exclusive moral codes.

[@run4cmt]

The lifestyle that leads to abortion should also be condemned. Sex outside of marriage is what leads to many of the abortions.

[@GeneralProfessor]

You don't get to invoke 'love thy neighbour' but ignore 'thou shall not kill', especially if you consider babies to be mere 'clumps of cells' because you're trying to preach against dehumanization.

[@rexhamilton6381]

Whenever I hear an alleged Christian try to argue a pro choice position all I can hear is “Did God really say if you eat this fruit you will die?”

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

Do you believe that Yahweh murdered the entire planet less 8 people via a world wide flood?

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

A gay guy in favor of abortion saying we need to love our enemies and not dehumanize each other is beyond laughable.

[@cateclism316]

Love without holiness is not loving the truth.

[@JonJaeden]

I don't need to "gain understanding." I understand full-well what dead is.

[@theauthor8901]

What’s his name is a complete waste of space, which is really quite sad, because he’s made himself an enemy of the very Lord that he claims to serve and obey, all the while vehemently practising open rebellion. Therefore, I don’t give a fig what he’s got to say about anything, let alone the murder of children for profit and convenience. God bless you, Pastor Wilson, and everyone who stands up for the rights of those who cannot defend themselves, especially children in their mothers’ wombs.

[@JoseRamos-rj9dd]

Very gifted Doug. The Lord keep you strong Actually may He keep ALL OF US strong

[@CriticalThinkerUK]

Brandan Robertson sounds like a certain pastor in New York who used to lead a church called Redeemer.

[@AnHebrewChild]

Keller is not at Redeemer anymore? Also, very generous usage of the word "pastor" there. And "church"

[@CriticalThinkerUK]

@@AnHebrewChild I thought he'd retired, but I may be wrong. Indeed, pardon my abuse of the word.

[@indistructi-bill9770]

Brandon needs to remember Jesus said" the GREATEST commandment is this to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, strength! The SECOND one is like it, love your neighbor as yourself."

[@NicholasPaulFranks]

Thanks Doug. People that talk like this, at the very least, reveal a question mark over their salvation. “It needs to start…” … with rebuking anti-Christ chit-chat simultaneous to daring to claim the Name of Jesus Christ. The fear of the Lord does not exist.

[@michaelversace456]

I have an evil bugaboo residing under my bed. You can't see him but he is evil. You should fear him. That is how I fear your god.🤣😂

[@NicholasPaulFranks]

@@michaelversace456 It’s the square one of wisdom, mate. Check Proverbs 9:10 if you’re feeling brave 👻

[@michaelversace456]

@@NicholasPaulFranks That is vapid and just nonsensical. Which buybull version? I've read 6 and it's the reason I stay the fuck away. Also I know the proverb, as I've read the buybull. How about you learn that the buybull holds nothing but contradictions and shouldn't be used as anything moral. Don't challenge me mate, you won't like where this ends up. I know the buybull better than priests and preachers.

[@NicholasPaulFranks]

@@michaelversace456 You’re threatening me because I’ve directed you to the beginning of understanding something that you think you already do? Mocking emoji-filled comments are OK but the moment someone responds to atheism with more than a little unction the expletives and aggression break like a damn. 👻

[@michaelversace456]

@@NicholasPaulFranks Threatening? Its called a warning dude. I understand it in it's entirety as its been a part of my life from the beginning. Don't even start with that "you never believed" BS either. I challenge you lot with your own book of immorality and yous just attack me out of fear. Defending Atheism? What level of idiocy farted out that notion? I've noticed you'e not addressed one of my points but focused on me using pictures to mock what clearly is an immoral cult. Are you going to address my points or are you going to continue to focus on BS things such as emojis and swear words. I gave you legitimate verses of your own book. Either address these issues or run away like all christians do.

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

One thing I notice, and maybe because I was guilty of this at one point in my life, is that a lot people in the pro-choice camp want to create Jesus in their own image. What I mean is, they want a libertarian Jesus who says love one and another and judge not, etc. but not the one who talks about the road to Heaven being narrow. They refer to the parts of scripture that talk about the forgiveness of sin, but leave out the follow up, the part where Jesus tells us to sin no more. Can anyone live up to that standard 100%? Of course not. But you can't have it both ways. You can't be like Nancy Pelosi and play the Catholic card when it is convenient and push for legislation to legalize abortion and champion the LGBT agenda when that is convenient. Some of Christ's sternest warnings were to the Pharisee's for being hypocrites. If you want to promote sin, promote it. But if you do, you need to understand what that means and what camp it puts you in. I know because I spent too many years swimming in the devil's lake. To borrow a cliché that fits here, you can't be a little bit pregnant. I pray for all of us because none of us are worthy. On that point, I will find common ground with that young man.

[@CuteSceneChic]

Psalm 26:5 "I have hated the assembly of evildoers, And will not sit with the wicked." Psalm 34:21 "Evil shall slay the wicked, And those who hate the righteous shall be condemned." Psalm 97:10 "You who love the Lord, hate evil! He preserves the souls of His saints; He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked." Considering David (The Psalmist) had the heart of God, and God is Jesus, (I personally feel like) these verses should not be over looked as to how much the Lord God Jesus hates sin, He can't stand the sight of it. It makes me nervous for people who try to defend their sin by abusing the grace that Jesus provided by His excruciation death on the cross for all of us. I used to defend sin too, but the convictions are too much. It actually hurts physically not just spiritually. How seared is their conscience for them not to feel anything. The god of this age is disgusting.

[@DM-dk7js]

No.

[@AnHebrewChild]

A lot of people make over Jesus into their own image. Spend a couple months reading nothing but Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and this will be shockingly clear.

[@michaeldavis2039]

Thank you Doug for your objective, Bible -based critique of Brandon's subjective, emotional and unbiblical plea on this issue. It starts with alignment of oneself to the objective standard of God's Word on the issue and not one's own subjective experiences on the issue.

[@TheCannonofMohammed]

I come here for clarity. I’m not disappointed.

[@TGuard00014]

I bet if you asked this young man how Christians should have behaved in the 1860s surrounding slavery he wouldn’t advocate for scientifically based rational conversation based on personal experience….

[@mcgruff7355]

Can't believe that demon has a legit platform now he is not a Christian he is an adversary of God he is a tripping stone for young believers

[@johnwurfel2862]

Psa 139:21 - Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? Love protects. "...better a millstone be tied to their neck and they be drown in the sea."-Yeshua. Don't Simp for Satan, Brandon.

[@billyholly]

I also love murderers, robbers, and rapists. However, they are criminals and I won't support their sin behavior. Any responsible person KNOWS that unprotected sex makes babies and should be avoided unless making a baby is on purpose. Why do they (and both male and female) don't "think?" ...and follow the science that Brandon mentions? There's nothing like soft-selling sin. BEFORE I became a Christian, I was already against abortion.

[@seannel4996]

Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” God knew each and every one of us in the same way as with Jeremiah

[@seanhauer7236]

Good job calling out that snake in the grass. When you pointed out his soundtrack,I hit the like button !!! I was thinking the same thing!

[@IsaiahEli]

The Lord is coming! Amen. God is merciful. He always forgives. Never be ashamed to take your failures to him. He is for you, not against you! God is with you in the storm. He knows your troubles, he hears you! He is for you, on your side, always! It may feel silent at times, but he’s holding you close! May the Lord return soon! We are drawing closer. He is coming! Believe and trust in the Lord, you will be saved. Period. May the Lord bless you all! Hang in there family. Stay strong. It is not easy following the Lord. We are scoffed at. We give up our earthly dreams, our fleshly desires. What the enemy offers is short lived, but heaven is forever! Life may seem or be unfair, but God is with you! Always remember that. Things may get better or worse for you, but a kingdom awaits you! Finish the race! Repent daily and carry your cross. This world is fading fast. Your troubles are temporary! New channel here, I’d appreciate any kind of support. Don’t give up! God loves you so much! So do I. The Lord bless you!

[@davidperman7517]

Walk in grace, but don't fear making a few enemies if that is the price of upholding truth.

[@thelordshousechurch]

Yes we all agree as orthodox Christians that human beings sin (Romans 3:23). But I don’t like sliding in the inference that we all affirm the doctrine of total depravity.

[@casenswartz7278]

Yes Jesus told us to love our enemies, but that wasn't front and center, above all. It was actually to believe in Him.

[@CuteSceneChic]

Yes, and Jesus also said to hate what is evil. Killing babies is evil. I'm also speaking as a woman who had an abortion before coming to the Lord. I was blinded to the world. I'm so ashamed to know what I did and so grateful Jesus forgives. These people need to know the truth so they can be sorry. The Lord loves a contrite spirit and a broken heart (Psalm 34:18, 51:17 and Isaiah 57:15.) They don't get the forgiveness without the "I'm sorry" that's not how it works. Grace is not to be abused.

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

The Bible also says that if a person claims to love God and hate fellow human beings, they are a liar. You can't prioritize believing in Christ over loving enemies because believing in Christ means following His example, and Christ loved His enemies.

[@CuteSceneChic]

@@decepticonxhunter4850 actually it says "if a man says I loves God but hates his BROTHER is a liar."(1 John 4:20) it doesn't say human beings. A brother is someone else who believes in Christ. Not an outsider. But that's why Jesus also pointed out we should love out enemies. We shouldn't put words into scripture that isn't there. There are really only 2 greatest commandnents anyway. Trying to preform them all is next to impossible, hence Jesus on the cross anyway. If we were capable of performing all tasks in the Bible Jesus wouldn't have needed to die on the cross. It's not easy to love someone who makes it hard to love them. That's what we NEED Jesus.

[@kimberlymurray304]

This man believes a baby isn’t a human (with dignity, rights or worth) until viability. Talk about dehumanizing. 😕

[@seanpearl8156]

Great point you raise...loving others as ourselves INCLUDES loving preborn babies. This is the central element this so-called 'pro-choice Christian' ignores.

[@-RM-]

In the vein of "Christ or Chaos", Brandon Robertson appears to be a "chaos sympathizer" and an enabler of sin. That's a problem. Flee from such people.

[@rockycomet4587]

"You just need empathy, maaaan!"

[@evanwilliams7152]

how is the murder of babies 'love and civility?'

[@joshbishop5961]

Funny to hear Robertson appeal to "science" here - he actually thinks a fetus is neither human nor alive; he says it's a "potential life" and a "potential human" as if those are scientific categories.

[@reginaford8575]

Psalm 139 answers his questions about life. God is about life!!!

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

@@reginaford8575 Except when he’s allegedly destroying the entire planet less 8 people with a flood.

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

If you believe a fetus is human and alive, what do you think the penalty for abortion should be?

[@Sundayschoolnetwork]

Love our neighbors, includes the baby in the womb.

[@lorrainem.swartzentruber3077]

I don't understand how their talk of "respecting" and "loving everyone" ends with a child in a woman's body. That is not a political statement. Either every human has the right to life or you are being intellectually dishonest.

[@reginaford8575]

There are many atheists are pro life!

[@enoch3874]

The problem with Brandon Robertsons logic is that abortion is dehumanization by definition but then again he has a theology in which the priorities are backwards putting Jesus first gives you a logical justification for treating your Neighbour as you would like to be treated but a man Centered theology actually does the opposite and actually ends up devolving into morality being personal preference instead of an objective standard. .that might explain the logical leaps he's making.

[@arthurb2005]

Thank you Doug.

[@BirdDogey1]

I heard a female pastrix (denomination unk. Thinking Unitarian) speak at a pro-abortion rally in San Antonio. She said she was proud of her three past abortions. The pro abortion position would win because of love. The crowd cheered. A far cry from Bill Clinton's "safe, legal and rare".

[@johnmoss4624]

We should love our neighbor, but that doesn't mean we stop hating the evil. Narratives like this make it sound like evil is just a mere difference of opinion. It is not.

[@thelastoferrathen613]

This is our standard ✝

[@lovefortruthministries913]

3:20 "Rejecting the emotionalization. So, how come with the music playing in the background". - Doug Wilson Nice one:)

[@jeanniestaller797]

He speaks about extremes, but we have leaders who are promoting the extreme. I only side with him in the idea that, like slavery where our founders had to compromise in order to create a unified country, but with the idea that they would work on abolishing it later, we may need to first pass legislation to limit abortion to 8-12 weeks with the idea to eliminate it all together.

[@coldjello8436]

I suspect the only reason that Roberts is putting this out is that he feels he is losing the argument.

[@rockycomet4587]

It's amazing how little of a grasp he has on reality. He might as well say that Germany and Britain should've put their differences aside and gotten along during World War II. Just lol.

[@PrentissYeates]

Al Mohler has encouraged Christians have a conversation with those who don’t look like us, think like us , etc.., and guess what ? .. for 22 years Christian’s have been having that conversation and the results were some walked away from their faith by means of deconstruction, but many thanked God for the salvation offered when called.

[@elainedefoor8599]

God is my standard for Truth, for right and wrong! For most people God is not the standard and that's why we as a society are falling apart!!

[@aallen5256]

God’s standard states (Leviticus 20:10-12), Deuteronomy 22:22-24) that if someone cheats then both adulterous parties most be put to death.. Do you think society should have more or less executions by stoning for infidelities?? Also, do you think of yourself as pro-life?

[@CWRobinsonMusic]

He said let’s keep Jesus’ values front and center yet Jesus’ values were that marriage be a man and woman for life. So as a “gay” I wonder what else Brandon picks and chooses on. Also, If he’s a “pastor” then Hitler was a saint.

[@fnfjedi]

I am for loving my neighbor and my enemies as myself, but if it must "come to blows", not that I am advocating such barbaric behavior, far from it, but if it must come to that over abortion, then those "blows" will land squarely about the head and shoulders of those who would dehumanize the unborn, not the unborn themselves. Abortion is murder and to call it anything other than that is delusion.

[@maron3777]

I really despise it when people use the "love thy enemies" argument, if you speak out against evil acts of others. Loving someone does NOT mean total acceptence/ support of everything they are doing. As Christians we are expected to call out evil, so that the ones we love can change for the better!

[@gabrielbrennan4149]

Perfect response

[@JasontheLayman]

He defeated his own argument at the start by saying Christians are commanded to love others. If you loved someone, you wouldn't kill them.

[@huh2275]

"If you want to be wrong then follow the masses" - Socrates "The Christian life is a life of non-conformity" - R. C. Sproul.

[@reginaford8575]

Agree! A fixed standard. 10 Commandments is the start of the standard

[@michaelversace456]

@@reginaford8575 Oh get lost. The majority of the commandments are from a vain god.

[@Jakegothicsnake]

Brandon has the kind of face that you want to bark out “Shut up, Wesley!” to......

[@patrick_dy3r]

Unity without Christ is just delayed division within His Church.

[@Sylver_Echo2923]

What part of that are we supposed to believe? There's no way he hasn't seen the tiktoks of woman saying they're pregnant and dancing because they're gonna kill it. They throw parties and have cakes...what part of that screams regard for the life they've taken?

[@cockroachv]

Love your neighbors (except for the most dependent precious unborn babies because choice lol)

[@axelz4316]

Ah, yet another person espousing the idea that love means “don’t make me feel bad”. So original, so brave

[@silashollis6630]

I am so sick of the woke church

[@seanpearl8156]

Calling out those committing evil is not "demonizing" it is holding accountable the guilty. And even if it was 'demonizing'...so what...do we not do that with Hitler and the Nazis?

[@Numenorean921]

I was about to comment on his emotional manipulation with music before Doug mentioned it, it's completely obnoxious

[@Stareingattheson]

Truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.' Warren weirsbe

[@briancasey4917]

There is no nuance between life and death, it is either or.

[@Terminal-Vet]

I'm a pro choice Christian. I'm all for making choices and being ready for the consequences. God gives us free will. God commands us saying, "Thou shall not commit murder." Abortion is murder. So, just like the other 9 commandments, you can choose to commit them, just be ready for God's judgement, if there is such a way to be ready for it. That being said, murder in any form should still be illegal.

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

If you believe abortion is murder, what do think the penalty should be? Does the pregnant woman pay the same penalty as the doctor performing the abortion?

[@Terminal-Vet]

@@Jonas-gl9ke well, it has nothing to do with what I believe. Murder is defined as the willful taking of innocent human life, so abortion is definitely murder, regardless of what we choose to label it as. That being said, no. I don't think the penalty should be the same for the pregnant women as with the doctor. The reason millions of human babies are killed every year isn't so much because women are in an unpredictable crisis and need to be free of their babies. The reason is, it's super easy to get one, and they're so readily available. It's foolish to think a great many people use abortion as birth control when whomever didn't pull out on time. So, we just kill babies, because people were irresponsible. Of course we hear the arguments, "what about rape? What about incest?" That's less than 1% of all abortions, so that's not the real argument. The argument is for there to be no consequences for irresponsible behavior, except of course for the babies.

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

@@Terminal-Vet If you believe, “abortion is definitely murder” then it must logically follow that the doctor be punished for 1st degree murder. The pregnant woman would have to be an accessory (before or after the fact might be difficult to define) and therefore would probably face the same charge as the principal offender. Would you advocate that both the doctor and woman serve life in prison?

[@mikebrines5708]

The Left always approaches disagreement with the argument that "for the sake of unity we should all get together, so you need to surrender."

[@gregsquire9704]

Brandon needs to watch Pastor Durbin at a EAN rally and ask himself who's being emotional and who's being rational.

[@zombiekilla7463]

Genesis 2:7, when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." not conception but the first breath

[@banjo3751]

I would never lister to a light in the loafers guy telling me to just be nice.

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

To the thought the Pro choice don't want to kill babies. How quickly we've forgotten about Gosnell or the Planned Parenthood executive joking about selling baby parts to by a Lamborghini.

[@possumhunter1179]

It's not so much about humanization vs dehumanization so much as it's about the Image of the One in Whom humans are created. It's about His honor. Humans either worship God as God, and seek His honor, or they don't. And He's clearly revealed the various sizes in which He creates those made in His Image. And He's clearly revealed that it's the children of the evil one who work so hard to despoil His Image. Soli Deo Gloria.

[@taylor-bh8re]

Just say it Doug. This guy gives a description of Christ that you would expect to hear from Kamala Harris.

[@nickwiles9427]

6:08-6:24 Got the smash-mouthery, but not a lot of incrementalism. Thanks for all you do Doug! -An Appreciative Abolitionist

[@mr400meter]

I think he’s coming out of the closet

[@mr400meter]

As an abolitionist I mean

[@johnwoodruff1878]

God is the only stand.

[@jacobw1644]

That Brandon kid is honestly a disgrace. This is the tragedy of social media, anyone can get in front of a camera and speak to the world and spread destructive ideas.

[@rockycomet4587]

It's amazing that anyone takes him seriously. He can't even throw together a halfway-decent argument. He mostly talks about feelings. He has no idea how the world actually works.

[@pavelshalnwv8494]

PROCHOISERS! CHOOSE LIFE!