Pro-Driver Tries VR Racing Sim (Comparison to Real-Life)

[@Driver61]

So, do you think sim racing is better with VR than a monitor set up?

[@BigBawMcGraw]

Driver61 100% right on the consistency thing. I used to race (Assetto Corsa) on single screen and over 20 laps could vary by 1-2 seconds. Now in VR the variation is about 0.2 seconds. Hitting those apexes are almost too easy comparatively, and you definitely do push for that extra 0.05 seconds per lap. Disclaimer: I'm not a RL racing driver, just a sim racer 😜

[@JamesBergeron]

I race in real life and started on VR Assetto Corsa just last year. It has improved my driving considerably with a good setup. VR even with the limited resolution feels very realistic.

[@Sillysoviet28]

Without a doubt. I’ll be going to Road America for the first time in May. Have had countless laps on the track in VR several can’t wait to see how it translates.

[@TMERUNNR]

Absolutely Luv Racing in VR. I tell people that VR puts you on the track and in the environment;with monitors, you only see the track. Two totally different feel. I still will use my triples to give me a break from the headset, but prefer VR. Just would like a wider field of view to be able to use my peripheral vision to sense drivers on my left or right and not depend on hellacorsa or proximity indicators.

[@ryanchenoweth5673]

After driving in VR there is no going back to playing and racing games in 2d... I want to be in the car 👏👏👏

[@SturdyHSV]

There is nothing like being in VR. Opponents are car sized, crests and camber are right there in front of you, curbs look tall, you are actually sat in the cockpit, there's nothing you can do to compare to that, even if you somehow encapsulated yourself in a perfect sphere of screens! It's an amazing time to be a sim racer. I mainly play Assetto Corsa so it's always nice to hear it rated highly :)

[@michalvalta5231]

There is! Being there in actual reality! But... Yeah... I can only afford VR... :D

[@gold333]

SturdyHSV does it have convergence? So actual 3D depth, or is it just an omnidirectional 2D?

[@SturdyHSV]

No it's proper 3D, things have accurate depth and scale. I'd say 3D is doing it a disservice because historically '3D' has always looked a bit... limited. The best way I can describe it is you ARE actually there. It's not like where you read a review of a big TV and they say "it's like really being there". As far as your brain is concerned, you are there, the cockpit really is there around you, you will reach out to touch things and lean over and headbutt your real steering wheel, trust me ;) I've gotten out of the car in AC and stood with a beer watching cars race by, and I put my hand out to lean on the railing next to me (which obviously wasn't there). Without wishing to be too hyperbolic, it really is like the Matrix... you can't really be told what VR is like, you have to see it for yourself.

[@wotever99ninynine]

exactly, even if you were completely surrounded by curved screens and somehow had no bezels. and had everythink lined up perfectly and not warped/ stretched etc in software.. and had the perfect copy of a cars interior to sit in. you still would not see depth. not to mention you would be broke.. .down hundreds of thousands of dollars..

[@wotever99ninynine]

and the hardware you would need to render it all, unless you had some sort of eye tracking software to only render the screens you could see.. that would be impossible. you would literally need a billion dollar custom made super computer.. vr only renders to one (ok two) little screens. and only where you are looking, yet you can still see 360 degrees around you on all axis... to get the same effect with monitors you would most likely have to render everything 360 degrees whether you are looking at it or not.

[@slowanddeliberate6893]

VR will eventually become part of the standard equipment for racing sims.

[@DJHeroMasta]

I fell like it practically already is.

[@slowanddeliberate6893]

Yeah, true. I meant that basically everyone will be using VR instead of a small percentage like it is now.

[@HalkerVeil]

Yeah after the butthurts get over the fact they just paid over $1500 for 3 monitors and the Oculus is only $400 and far superior in almost every way. Only to get better in the next gen.

[@realityshotgun]

Bruh a nice monitor setup is used for a lot more than an oculus.

[@HalkerVeil]

@realityshotgun I can make as many monitors as my OS can handle, any size my GPU can put out, and do it all in my VR desktop with virtual pancake screens all around my room. I can even have a giant 8k render to a wall that I can walk up to and paint on with my wireless wacom pen. Something like that would cost upwards of 20k for a physical version of all those screens. Then there's power cost and how much heat that would produce, but that's another story. So yeah a nice monitor setup is useful. But VR lets me take that farther.

[@vorakijpunyashthiti2820]

VR headset should come in helmet shape. That should enhance experience even more.

[@mtlnascarfan]

Done. www.helmetvr.com/

[@notgerardjoseph]

I believe Stilo makes one. They're Italian and even have a few F1 drivers repping the race lids on the grid.

[@gergonovak3983]

Wtf is the point of that?

[@notgerardjoseph]

@@gergonovak3983 same reason why there are simracing seatbelts that simulate g-forces. It's immersion.

[@gergonovak3983]

@@notgerardjoseph seatbelts are usefull when the cockpit has g force sim but there is no point of a 3kg helmet and you cant even see it in vr

[@bagchief]

The nicer visuals on a single or triple screen setup are nice but I just can’t go back. VR just feels so natural for sim racing.

[@magzire]

CXRXO yep lucky us sim racers, feels like it was perfectly made for racing

[@TheClassicWorld]

I think one of the greatest advancements over the last ten years in video gaming would be VR and sim rigs, without question. You don't truly need VR for other games, nor do you need 4k gaming for much, or realistic rigs for first-person shooters, but racing is where it shines and will continue to improve, until it matches real racing, more or less. I mean, the F1 Esports is pretty much at the same level as real F1 now (in terms of popularity), and you have top F1 drivers also being sim racers, such as Max and Lando. I can not wait to get the VR and PS4 even though it's worse than PC and I won't be getting the PS5, I just hope a better VR is out for PS4 by 2020.

[@sniperammow4865]

i know, i got my headset and i cannot play games i cannot either port to vr or play in vr normally. minecraft and gta 5 are the 2 fun ones you would have to mod.

[@raffitorres1714]

I just got vr today and I don’t think I’ll ever race on a flat screen again. It’s absolutely incredible.

[@seanlouis433]

That image at 3.41 is not representative of what you see in VR. I get a much better image using an Oculus rift. I could never go back to a single monitor. It's the difference between playing a video game and really driving.

[@GOPACKERSJT]

The Microsoft Mixed Reality VR sets have a higher resolution then the Rift and OG Vive. They also don't have any sensors that you need to mount, making them perfect for these setups. I picked up the Lenovo one for $145 on eBay a few months back.

[@nimmen]

@@ajaopify nah, it is much clearer than that. That photo is a really bad representation

[@Clinterpottrmus]

@@ajaopify Yeah, that photo is nothing like how it actually looks. Of course its not perfect, but its certainly better than that

[@TheDriftingStig]

@@ajaopify The graphics are really bad because they tried to take a picture of the lens and it was out of focus (for the Rift your eyes have to be in just the right place for everything to be in focus). I would put the graphics level at about the same as a game from 2010-2012, but the immersion alone really makes you not care about the graphics at all. The only annoying part is not being able to read small font that would be easy to read on a monitor.

[@toxicity4818]

Right? Not even fuckin CLOSE. If you can manage to get your camera to focus correctly, and centered where your eye would be, you can record very closely to what your eyes see. I've taken videos in Oculus Home with my phone, and if you squinted, you'd have believed it was real.

[@Orlor]

The one thing I don't see talked a lot about in VR Sim Racing is the ability to judge depth. On my single monitor system, I used to ram into the back of cars all the time. Not because I was trying to be a dick, but because I just couldn't judge the distance to the other car. Now with VR, I very rarely hit the rear of another car and when I do, it's just a tap.

[@197jm]

Orlor did you use the right FOV setting..?

[@tssmoke1488]

i started using the oculus rift in iRacing and tried to go back to using just a monitor and i couldn't do it. with the rift there is such amazing depth. it makes everything almost 3d. but essentially everything he was saying about how it feels is what i have been telling all my friends. the difference is night and day between vr and monitors.

[@wotever99ninynine]

exactly. vr has depth. its stereoscopic. you can SEE distance. im sick of people thinking vr for racing is a gimmick. .. it very much IS NOT.

[@Bkaz3678]

Orlor he mentioned that in the video

[@lukaslrg216]

Orlor I recently switched from single monitor to vr. It is amazing I love it. But I will say I didn’t have a problem with my single monitor system judging depth. I was able to learn the length of my cars hood and such. And know how close I could get.

[@ianbradley7215]

It's an insane experience. I don't think any driving sim should be released without VR support these days.

[@bijani2855]

@@weikaitsai and forza

[@gageboy14]

Amen! I do not understand why every sim released today does not have VR support? More are going to VR support. F1 finally did!

[@gageboy14]

Headsets have improve since this video. I ditched my monitors and only drive in VR. I use the HP reverb g2.

[@N75911_]

Can't race without Rift now. The Oculus Rift combined with Force Feedback turns sim racing into an artificial reality. Racing is no longer confined to a 40° portion of your vision on a flat screen. You can see the world around you now, and it's almost believable enough to make you want to touch it. My first ever drive in VR was when I just got the Rift in, and the first thing I did was fire up Assetto Corsa at Bathurst in the BMW M3 GT2. The first thing I wanted to do was grab the sequential shifter and try testing out the cockpit switches. And the first experience for me was almost like a dream, looking off into the mountains of Australia when in reality I'm on the other side of the planet. Now nothing compares. VR is definitely here. Even if in it's infancy.

[@wotever99ninynine]

fuc.. i mean hell yeah!

[@erickeller2853]

2 years later. Has it gotten better?

[@r6staller]

@@erickeller2853 It's got incredibly better and the technology is rapidly advancing. I have the Oculus Quest 2 which is one of the cheapest flagship headsets which has almost no screen door effect compared to the enormously pricey headsets 3 years ago that had visible screen door effect. The resolution has increased, visuals have gotten clearer, larger fov, and 120 hz integrated in VR.

[@houseking9211]

@@r6staller I'm interested to see valve make an index 2 with even higher res, it might be wired and not the best for normal vr games, but all you need for vr sim racing is clarity, refresh rate, and resolution, it would be the perfect headset

[@powerfuel297]

The brake pressure on the sim (fanatec v3 pedal) is quite limited that’s why in real I have difficulty to put the right pressure on the pedal. You have notice that at Winfield ;)

[@CookRacingUK]

I tried a Rift at insomnia and loved it in a Vesaro sim. Very funny trying out the karts and bracing for the kerbs! Got the winning time at Brands indy (and some free monster!) as I knew the track. Have only just got a rift myself now and using it to train Donnington for April (using your videos - thanks Scott!). It's VERY weird heading down the craners I feel like my chair is moving when it isn't! VR does feel so much more natural and that's the biggest help, everything is instinctive. It's superb.

[@DekarNL]

You should try this again. VR has made some great strides.

[@SergejGrabun]

Upload full lap or two of you driving that Ferarri with VR. Want to see your lines and lap times (mention setup too please). Thanks

[@lilkris3008]

Sergej Grabun same here I was shocked they didn’t go in depth on how he was able to improve and get a lap time then I remembered I wasn’t on the iracing website.

[@CarlHerbst]

Even with the limited resolution, there's no going back to flat sim racing after VR for me. The next couple years are gonna be exciting as we get sharper and better headsets, and hopefully advanced optics that can render focal distances more accurately: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWitm3SEi7B8hKM Day one oculus cv1 buyer, still my #1 use for it. Looking forward to hearing impressions once people start getting Vive Pros which are sort of a half-generational leap, with ~70% more pixels.

[@CaptainCrunch99]

This was also very interesting. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYrGp2djp9ekotE

[@0chriser0]

I'm also really looking forward to higher resolutions, because for me personally, the low res still annoys me a little bit. Apart from that, everything is better in VR.

[@gort7562]

Carl Herbst There are headsets that have dual 4k displays that are compatible with vive controllers!

[@CarlHerbst]

That come with extreme drawbacks, in my opinion. I'm just not sold on Pimax """ 8K """ hmd being a viable product yet, worthy of competing against the main samsung/vive/oculus models. Inefficient panel usage along with clunky, non-native res input makes it more of an apples to oranges comparison.

[@monsieurboks]

Carl Herbst THe "X" model eliminates the upscaling (but obviously requires a beefier GPU).

[@tHoM0r]

I can find apexes, braking points and sense car rotation much more accurately in VR. On a single screen with proper FOV settings I often could not see the apex on turn-in, and had to guess where it was. Therefore, any deviation in line from previously learned (mostly solo lapping) made it very hard to take the corner at its maximum. Resolution isn't that bad, especially when you use super sampling. New headsets are on their way.

[@houseking9211]

that's partly why I usually use hood cam, the view is already super limited, confining it to a tiny portion of your already downsized screen just makes it worse

[@remoorejr772]

I've been using VR with my own 3DOF motion platform for the past 18 months. We're using it for HPDE, track familiarization, car setups, etc. Scott's comments are spot on. A friend of mine tried the new Vive Pro (1440 x 1600 at 615 PPI per eye vs the current 1080 x 1200 448 PPI) out at CES this year and loved the higher res graphics. Can't wait until this is commercially available. I'm sure Oculus isn't far behind. Release date and price are not available at this time. VR changes the game for race simulation.

[@gamerdeluxe7409]

If you are going to try VR with iRacing and you are prone to motion sickness, there are some parameters you can tweak to your sensibilities. The parameters can be found in the document "app.ini" in the iRacing folder in your Documents folder. These are DriverHeadHorizon ; Percent to allow the drivers head to stay level with the horizon when the car tilts. DriverHeadNoPitch ; Percent to allow the drivers head to stay level with the horizon when the car pitches. DriverHeadWobble ; Percent to allow the drivers head to wobble when going over bumps. These and more can be tweaked to your liking. When I reinstall Windows and iRacing I sometimes forget to tweak these and the default settings make me woozy very quickly. I then change the settings, give my body an hour or two to relax and reset and then I go back driving and all is good. BTW my settings for those three are {0.9;0.9;0}

[@DMAX_DIY]

Yep I know this is an older video by Scott but I def agree! VR was the key to me to swap from triples to the DIY 3DOF rig. adding V3's and CSL helps too. Lot of videos posted so take a look if you get a chance. Love this STUFF!!! DMAX

[@papabull5550]

I agree with him on the Pixal issue. I tried a VR sim at a fairground in pullayup, and I do see what he is saying seeing the pixal due to having the screen so close. It would be nice if they can soon develop a sceen that minimizes the pixel size.

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Fantastic to see :) I've been an avid sim racer for years and been using VR for the last year or so. It's great to hear the opinions of a real pro driver.

[@tradesman1000]

The key words I believe were depth perception. For me VR and motion are a no brainer to be consistent and fast. The negatives of VR is heat but I solved that with fans. It can be a bit clumsy with VR I found but the positives out way the negatives.

[@BlackLabel2021]

Seeing the pixels in the headset is called "screendoor effect". If they upgrade their headset to the Valve Index, you'll see a LOT less of that because it has double the pixel density than all other headsets in the market.

[@cstephen98]

Playing around with the settings can improve the vr graphics but there's currently no GPU available todat that can push out the needed render resolution in AC to get a 1:1 resolution to a VR headset, at 90 fps (or better) with all the graphic options turned on. The biggest issue I find in VR is that it's hard to judge how fast you're really going so it's very easy to hit a corner too fast and go off the track. I'd guess it's probably because everything is in focus (vs what you're looking at). The next generation headsets, with inside eye tracking will be able to effectively use foviated rendering to more closely match how we see with our eyes while improving performance as the areas you're not looking at can be rendered at a lower resolution.

[@Kombivar]

I was into the sim racing for years now, I started on LFS, but never had a proper gear till this year - thanks to lockdown and furlough I decided to go full on with oculus rift and G29 steering wheel - and oh boy what a difference it makes. I got Assetto Corsa + Sol + shader pack. It took about 2 hours to get used to slightly pixelated image, 2 weeks to get rid of motion sickness, and now half a year later (with support of shared setup by one of the drivers) I'm doing 1:42.0 in F1 2004 and having 19th time on the server with PB of 1:41.82 - I would have never done it on the screen, the depth perception lets you touch the apex 90% of the time for a start, and learning process is rapid. I highly recommend it, and if you are looking for VR set - the used one is about £200 - for a good one, G29 cost about the same for new one. Although you will need a good gaming PC/Laptop, as the demand on GPU and CPU is tripled (Two eyes + monitor, [probably its possible to switch the monitor off]) - I find it the most immersive experience that any fan of sim racing can get. 12/10

[@juliuswallaceable]

just bought a VR after see your videos ....and ists lovely mate , lot of improvements as well.

[@thecanucklehead3034]

Finally someone who views vr as a tool and not a novelty. So much can be done with them and it's really exciting to think how they'll improve the tech in the next few years

[@OussamaErraji]

VR gives you more 3D space awareness: easier to spot apexes and judge distances in general. Your peripheral vision is more precise too when judging breaking points or overtaking spots.

[@lironjdb]

Great video. I completely agree. Glad you like the asetto corsa feeling

[@RonBurrgundy]

VR is just on a completely different level than anything else. Correct field of view and depth is amazing.

[@petarbg123]

October 22nd 2018 they released the Odyssey Plus which gets rid of the screen door effect (you don't see the pixels anymore) it's by far the most superior VR headset for Sim Racing today! Mine is arriving tomorrow (currently using Oculus Rift) I honestly can't wait to try it!

[@wotever99ninynine]

i would say its currently the best for sim racing... and at $299 for the black friday sale.. if it were for sale in my country i would have snapped it up instantly.. but its not.. oh well before i saw that deal i was perfectly happy with my lenovo explorer.. and i guess i still am. its a pretty good little unit. in a few years i will upgrade, but for now. its great. same goes for my pc, fx8350 @ 4.6ghz 16gb ddr3 ram, gtx 1060 6gb, sabertooth 990fx motherboard.. its fine for now, and i reckon i can get a few more years out of it.. i will need to upgrade EVERYTHING when i finally do upgrade though.. new cpu means new socket means new motherboard means new ddr4 ram, new vr means probably need/ want new gpu. so ill give it another 2 years minimum. its gonna be expensive. :)

[@gageboy14]

I actually prefer the HP Reverb G2.

[@TheGrinningSkull]

The only reason I race online with a chase cam is because I can’t look around me with a steering wheel set up. I tried VR for the first time on a simulator and fell in love with the immersion. It’ll also be that solution for allowing me to look at the mirrors without distraction of buttons.

[@JasonFice]

Track driving with VR is awesome. Rally games in VR are almost too intense because you start to fear for your life. Sooo much fun. I've only tried triples briefly, but VR is dramatically better then a single monitor. Pro: incredible sense of immersion, sense of speed, spatial awareness of competitors. Con: can't read the numbers on the brake boards and sometimes cockpit displays because the res isn't good enough yet.

[@DGDirk]

Your spa guide shaved 1.8 secs off my lap time in assetto VR, thanks for that mate

[@morbid1.]

what you said about pixels in vr it's called "Screen-door effect" and people say that 4K resolution in vr is needed to counter it.

[@supadre3239]

I already seen your video in VR with Lenovo Explorer headset in 2020 , we know is the best way

[@haxorcomputerservices]

Thanks for the video. From my real world racing experience VR makes it much easier to judge and feel the car with added depth perception and sense of speed. From triples to VR...VR you get up to speed faster and im more consistent too.

[@DailyStreetRacing]

I learn so much more from racing sim then actually going to the track!! Plus is a lot cheaper and you could always press restart...

[@sebastiankvyat3915]

Once my eyes adjust to the slightly blurry vr. Its scary immersive. You also get the sense of speed which you wont get with a single screen.

[@spinear]

like he said, you can judge the distance just by feeling. It's not like looking at the size of an object in the monitor. this is really a big deal I think.

[@angryginger791]

The only people that prefer triple screens to VR are those that obsess over resolution. I won't deny that I'd love a sharper, more detailed image, especially when looking into the distance or trying to read signs and gauges. However, when I'm racing I hardly notice the shortcomings and I think the immersion more than makes up for them. A good wheel and pedal combo adds another large chunk of realism. Add some tactile transducers and motion platform and you find out how easily the human brain can be tricked. Then you just need some candles that smell like smoked tires and race fuel exhaust....

[@kevinharkness2108]

Yea, i have Driveclub vr on ps4 with g29. I put vibrating transducers on the wheebase, shifter and pedals for engine vibration etc. When one of them dies, i literally cant race until i charge it back up again! Crazy.

[@jayboom10]

Haven't used this but I played racing demo with psvr, it feels like you are in the car. The third person view hovering above the car it's like you're a drone remote controlling the car.

[@ZpGKillua]

i do enjoy simracing, but in real life i can be full throttle cornering only at 70km in a kart and feel like my heart is about to jump out of my chest after the first fp session, sims just cant do that.

[@gypyoutb]

ZpG Killua even playing with full-motion 360 simulator and VR, if someone plays while in his mind "this is just a game/this is not real", it won't gives an immersion feeling. The main key is "the feeling of inside the game". However, game and real life are different dimension. Games/simulators are just trying to getting close to real life.

[@ZpGKillua]

yeah i agree, when i play simracing always use vr headset, longest race i've done was 2 hrs, it's so intense and soooo amazing, i love it. but it's not scary like racing in real life. not sure if you ever played games like dayz, its pretty heartpumping and scary. i wish sim racing can be scary

[@nitro677racing]

ZpG Killua one could argue that the reason someone drives a sim is to practice their driving abilities to put in practice like karts. Sim racing is light years cheaper than Karting, take Amy word for it. A used chassis is already 4k dollars w/ a ROK or X30. On a race weekend I would spend north of 3k dollars on fees tires gas and parts. so if you can afford Karting you should really be able to spend the extra dough on a decent sim with some VR.

[@ZpGKillua]

Thanks for the reply! when i go karting its all rental, i don't have my own, but i really thinking about getting into it, buying my own. so if you don't mind, tell me more about it. Talking about sim, right now I'm using a old playseat chasis that i modified myself to beef it up, with that i have small mig OSW with fanatec wheels, and thrustmaster Th8A shifter (i really want to upgrade this) and heusinkveld pro pedals, VIVE VR headset. I've been googling here and there see what else i can get, but i cannot find the justification of getting a motion seat, its just too expensive for what it does i think.

[@nitro677racing]

ZpG Killua where are you located? In the states?

[@joshlad8762]

I have VR and triples but use the triples simply for the best resolution and mostly for the comfort factor during a 1 hour f1 race for example

[@randomguydoes2901]

But the kids on steam said the simulator tag is a joke on this game, who can I belive?

[@SuperFlyingDonkey]

I tried the VR sim but without the motion seat, it was hard to get used to and the screen looked a little blurry for me but maybe that was just the setup I used. Hopefully in time they get higher quality screens in the headset and drop in price because its expensive right now.

[@hardtoget4567]

Did you try Vive or Rift. I was very disappointed with the Vive, more more blurry than the PSVR. I am looking forward to test the Rift if it is better.

[@canadiankrispybacon]

I finally dropped some 💰 💰 for the rift and couldn’t agree more. I’ve always used monitors and VR brings SiM to next lvl driving. I am just waiting for ..and as you mentioned, the coaching or joyriding, being able to actually put someone ‘virtually’ in the passenger seat ..like multiplayer if you will

[@carltonsmall682]

You should retry this on the vive index and hp reverb. I'd Luke to know your opinion on the new headsets with better resolution

[@DJHeroMasta]

If I didn't know any better, I'd think you're crazy for preferring the Rift over a Triple Screen setup as the pic that was shown of the VR lens looked absolutely horrible. I'm posting this just to let anyone completly new to VR to know that In person, it looks nothing like that. Hell, even mobile VR looks 4x better than the image that was shown lol.

[@RaphaelSmith]

With proper sumpersampling it actually looks pretty good. Supersampling from 4k almost feels like having new hardware in the headset. The visual clarity drastically improves. There is still a lot of room for improvement though.

[@DJHeroMasta]

Raphael Smith SS at 2.0 goes hand and hand with Racing games. Got a GTX 1070 or something even faster try 4.0

[@ParadiseDecay]

VR doesn't look that bad when your in it and It's an amazing expereience!

[@monsieurboks]

Meh, it still looks terrible compared to a good triple monitor setup. Where it really shines, however, is in the capability for near perfect depth perception and head tracking. Those two things alone would make me pick vr over monitors any day of the week.

[@ThomySTB]

. I preffer VR way above tripple monitor setup, it's natural, sense of speed, depth, easy to look in the mirrors like a real car. Much better than 3 screens

[@townnet]

Hi, can you make a video talk about type of motion rig like seat mover, dbox, etc..., impression and analysis which one more close to real race car?

[@ahmbouth]

add to that experience, a Direct Drive wheel, and it will be perfect :) hopefully we can get higher resolution headsets in the near future

[@sros25]

Very nice video Scott! Well done! :)

[@alphalobster8021]

Interesting. I have the same technical experience with a calculated POV and TrackIR.

[@andy.long99]

You'll still be missing out on the depth perception and the 1-2-1 scale

[@zschroer1]

I have both TrackIR and a VIVE, and TrackIR is just a cool little toy compared to VR. You truly can't understand until you've done it! Switch to VR buddy!!!!

[@DimensionDevices]

I love how Scott Mansell's wiki page immediately states "Not related to Nigel"

[@vanessacolewilkinson1668]

VR allows for a more natural view and superior depth perception. Great in rally games where the nose of the car isn’t always facing forwards, etc...

[@martindarren1780]

Got a wheel for Christmas NOW I really want to take it to the next level with VR. I just worry about compatibility for next gen consoles I’m at that point where I’m not sure if I want to move to PC or stay on consoles for the PS5? Hate to spend all that $$ for it to be incompatible in a couple years...

[@dionrest8557]

Nebula Skye I'd go with pc if you want to play with vr. Currently the diy-pc market is expensive due to gpu mining and ridiculously high prices for ram. But if you go with pc, you won't have to upgrade your whole system every 2-3 years. You can swap the gpu and play with higher settings. A descent cpu can be used for up to 5 years with an moderate overclock. There are plenty of people who play with a i7 2700k with a gtx 1070. Vr is still developing, so the resolution of the headset goes up for a sharper image. I'd wait until 2019 to see how things are before I buy it

[@primevision1]

I started Drifting with VR Assetto corsa and ended up with building my E46 Bmw LS3 Swap and drifted like pro for the first time and now am competing with PRO category

[@getsideways7257]

Kids these days sure have wild imagination...

[@CR3DT]

I have to questions: 1- what software of how do you record the VR feed? 2- How tall are you? I own the same seat and I seem to seat much lower than you.

[@icanhaskpop1239]

I think the biggest difference between triple-screens and VR is the 3D depth perception. In VR, things are more realistic because you can accurately judge depth due to the 3D stereo effect, whereas a triple-screen may give you a nice wide view, but it's still 2D and has no depth, so it's not nearly as accurate or intuitive as it relates to driving a real car. The only thing I miss about racing on a 2D 1440p monitor is the high detail, especially for distant objects, but if I'm being honest, I'm not really looking at those details while racing.

[@CaptainCrunch99]

Great video! Does the vertical movement (jitter) that's happening over the rapid bumps in the VR also happen to the same degree in real life? Or do our eyes and brain sort of smooth this out?

[@CarlHerbst]

It's exaggerated in VR capture, your brain filters it out.

[@CaptainCrunch99]

Does this start to effect you as time goes on in a racing session? Do you have any experience with this being a real issue?

[@CarlHerbst]

Some people have issues with motion sickness in racing VR, in particular Dirt Rally which has constant, huge shifts of the horizon as you go up/down mountains, but I don't think the jitteriness is an issue. Also of note is you're seeing capture from one eye (why it seems off center, to the left: left eye), and it's cropped from what you see in the headset. The actual view is significantly taller, and a bit wider with both eyes. edit: older Dirt Rally capture that allowed a more uncropped view (still only one eye): kzbin.info/www/bejne/d33XhKh7jt6hrcU

[@wotever99ninynine]

ive never noticed any jitter at all in vr unless my gpu is struggling or something.. and thats rare. the capture always looks weird. its also only one eye.

[@wotever99ninynine]

@@CarlHerbst i get motion sick in a lot of vr games, but never in a racing one.. including dirt rally. you can also lock the view to horizon to help with motion sickness in that game, so you dont have to look up/ down hills etc,

[@PeterCoulsonPhotographer]

Awesome Scott, love your work, What platform is more realistic to real-life racing for you iRacing or AC

[@vividpsychosis8222]

You should redo this with the most modern sets

[@Spock0987]

Finally Mr Mansel!!! I was waiting for that for some time now....

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

love my vive and corsa . it looks way better than you think if you've never seen it.

[@averageracing2705]

The REAL immersive thing here, is the actual use of safety-belt :D

[@bil5479]

I wish better res vr was a thing but I think a super high quality display would have focusing problems and hurt ur eyes

[@SONICBOOM-117]

I've been messing with vr since the dk2 days and I must say I had quite an experience with sim racing with vr. My dallara dw12 "suddenly" lost the rear end and my brain tricked me into "feeling" the spin. I literally felt my bum sliding. Lmao it sounds silly but its happened a few times already. It's amazing. Long live VR

[@Audfile]

I have PSVR with GTSport and Driveclub VR and Wipeout, and yes, it is AMAZING

[@3point1.2]

Glad I got my Vive but I'm so ready for a higher pixel density so you can't make them out.

[@jetrx8rew]

I had a vr headset for gran turismo sport but after a few minutes I would start getting nauseous. Unfortunately the more I played the worst it got, I just could get used to it and had to sell it.

[@0Tweaky0]

I had the rift headset for a while, it definitely better to race with, its all more natural judging braking with a better sense of speed and cornering, I when back to single screen thinking I could keep that knowledge I gained but you lose it without the extra depth.

[@ng7557]

I wounder if anyone has thought about modding/mounting a VR headset into a helmet or designing one, and still have adjustments to move to and away from the face.

[@rodrigodepierola]

Would the weight of the headset (and its center of gravity) be a problem in a long stint?

[@josh1234567892]

I just got VR today, it makes me super nauseous. I hope I get used to it soon

[@Hani_Santa]

step by step had the same problem, first day 15 min. the third day 25 min....after a week maybe 2 week you have developed vr legs. You don't feel nauseous anymore...

[@onefit1209]

IMHO, VR mode is much more realistic than monitor display. But it was a bit painful to play because my body felt gap between visual signals and sense of balance.

[@magzire]

what?? no DD wheel

[@gamestv4875]

I prefer screen. Good thing that guy is wearing a seat belt. Safety first.

[@sirtaylor2569]

kid never had a VR headset on his face LOL

[@gamestv4875]

@@sirtaylor2569 Many times but I prefer monitor ...LOL

[@mikey08857]

How about using track ir on three screens?

[@aledmb]

driving on a 2d screen makes it possible for you to apply something some people call "driving by math" or "driving by the numbers", which is defined by being able to use the exact same markers every single time, using the monitors bezels as "triggers" when they cross over references on the side of the track... that's not something you can easily do with a VR headset because your head is always in a slightly different position when you approach the same corner... so, yes, 2d screens make you more consistent if you know how to exploit them against markers.

[@maxcalder1010]

You can use braking markers in reference to your car. Like your front bumper, that’s how you do it in a real car.

[@TheClassicWorld]

@@OverbiteGames It depends. If you only care about in-game performance, then, you can use any cheat/method you want, whereas, if you want a sense of realism, then clearly, this two-screen idea is stupid. Personally, I would rather find some middle ground between the two and just use one screen best I can. It's a game, after all, but you're also trying to add some realism to it and drive really well and improve. Alas, if it was just a matter of beating the game or having fun without caring/being good, why even bother using manual and a wheel at all and more than one screen at all? Just let the game do it for you, right.

[@TheClassicWorld]

@@maxcalder1010 I have only been sim racing for a week (just GT 5, the only thing I really have right now), and I find that I find 'markers' for shifting patterns, speed points, and braking points, on tracks I know well by two methods. First, my memory/brain does the work and secondly, where I am on the track, or rather, the entire screen elements, the car and track. In short, you will just 'know' when to brake and such. So, I have found it pointless and a waste of time/energy to even bother finding markers such as trees or curbs or bumpers. I'd just suggest the racing/driving line on new tracks for 5-10 laps, then you should know it, anyway.

[@icanhaskpop1239]

If he liked that, he should try it with an Odyssey+, which has a higher FoV and better resolution than the Oculus. I use my Odyssey+ for Project CARS 2 and Assetto Corsa, and it's incredible!

[@theloner6063]

Rift S >>> Odyssey Plus >>>. Rift CV1

[@Trigenetic]

Try it with a pimax with high fov. Now that's epic! I dabble in triples sometimes but there's just nothing that beat vr besides the real thing

[@tdg911]

VR is the way to go instead of the monitors.

[@Unsqeakable]

It's amazing how it shook him too.

[@laurentr4003]

driver61 have you tried BasePerformance from Darren Turner or GTSRS type sims? what do you think?

[@Llamu]

can't wait to play Gran Truismo 7 in VR

[@Parkinsr19]

Whats the dual lok for on the front of the rift?

[@akakaksk]

When is next vid coming out?

[@hoffy1888]

ok. whts the cost of this set up???

[@HexlGaming]

So I need a wheel, a motionsim chair, vr googles, probably a better PC to run all this & a tone of seat time.

[@ghost2031]

Excellently described, thank you.

[@seannz100]

i tried a vive pro on project cars 2 for the first time the other day, and it was cool, but the resolution was about as crap as shown at 3:41, made up coming corners harder to see from a distance, couldnt see other cars in front as well, unless they where really close, the tech needs to progress massively

[@Topper_Harley68]

Do the motion on the rig improve your driving? I can install it on my rig but it cost $3000.

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Hi. Thanks. So It's Oculus and Thrustmaster T series and if you can get the hydraulic rig somehow DIY with a gaming chair (or an actual regular car seat for more comfort) and the software used here, that'd be a great setup- there's no need for the 166 hz multi monitors coz' you already have the headset. God bless, Proverbs 31

[@Woopass90]

IMO one of the best descriptions of the benefits of sim racing in VR. Well done.

[@InterstellarLord]

Which VR headset is he using? Please brand and model/version.

[@mickeyfinn80]

Is the 4 point harness necessary though?

[@ketoking9435]

Great vid,,, I play Forza,,,,in real life owned a 70 Pontiac GTO Judge,,also driven a 78 Mustang I found the SIM card pretty spot on,,,,also the Mk 2 Escort and XR2 Fiesta,,,luv your vid's,,,great

[@MrZane-bl8qm]

Irfan Khan I figured if you dont push the car to its limit, forza actually provide a pretty good experience. When pushing over the limit, Assetto corsa makes me feel more connected to the car. Although Forza is nowhere near as bad as some sony fanboys claim, I still suggest you trying out some more realistic sims. (However, in terms of variety, nothing beats forza)

[@ketoking9435]

Mr.Zane ,,,,,, Thanks for your reply,,will revisit Project cars 2 and Asseto again,,,,,have a great week,,

[@michalvalta5231]

3:42 lol what? I can actually read the dashboard easily with Oculus Rift. It looks nothing like this. xD

[@theloner6063]

It´s Zoom....

[@MrAudi220]

yep vr is beter then a screen for racing,have htc vive and it's a blast,but not for very long sessions due to the low image quality,imo.

[@dnaluis]

hi guys, would you guys recommend the new vive pro for VR regardless the pricing issues for AC? btw, i am new to VR and never got one before...

[@maxms6087]

LuLuBaby You should get the lenovo explorer instead, great price for the experience

[@realtrisk]

I have a Vive Pro and I love it. Can't sim race without it. The higher resolution makes all the difference for seeing into the distance relatively well. I strongly disagree with the Lenovo Explorer comment, it has a crummy LCD screen with less resolution. If you want to go the Windows MR route, the Samsung set has the same screens as the Vive Pro, but costs a lot less... then again, its controller tracking is crap (which won't matter to you for Sim Racing, but other games will suffer), and last time I ran it, I had problems with frame stutters that don't happen on Vive Pro... but that was a long time ago, so one could hope they've fixed it.

[@maxms6087]

Though I'd say the Lenovo Explorer is better than the rift and original vive in every way for sim racing, and that for under $200, which is an amazing deal. The tracking is actually not that bad at all. The only problem is when you have your controller behind your back for more than a couple seconds as it won't track, but as soon as it's close to your field of vision it picks up the tracking and works flawlessly again.

[@wotever99ninynine]

no definitely not, if mostly just for sim racing get the samsung odyssey plus. same screen but with newer tech and anti sde etc. far far cheaper.. currently on sale for $299.. wont be for long. www.samsung.com/us/computing/hmd/windows-mixed-reality/hmd-odyssey-windows-mixed-reality-headset-xe800zba-hc1us/

[@wotever99ninynine]

@@maxms6087 yeah, i got lenovo explorer, great little unit. awesome for dirt rally