Why F1 Teams Spend £8m on Simulators (I drove one)

[@andredornelles8014]

My room mate blows next to me when there's wind and spits when it's raining. He also kicks me depending on the crash. Much more real phyisics than those "top" simulators.

[@arj_xox]

Peak Immersive experience

[@1j3c13]

Wait. Is this the british KZbinr/ Racing driver that holds the Lap record at brands hatch???

[@naplesbluesrt]

Correct sir.

[@jansz1589]

Why would you write racing driver and lap with capital letters, but British and Brands Hatch in lowercase?

[@CoreyMcCumber]

@@jansz1589priorities, my Friend. also i think it Causes issues in the truly british. i kNow it buggEd me.

[@Driver61]

Still holding onto that one.... just.

[@lorddoobsworth144]

how did you know that?! he never mentions it 🤣

[@jansz1589]

My sim consists of a Logitech G923 wheel and pedals, gear lever and simple desk and gaming seat that I have to secure to the wardrobe with a piano stool and a guitar speaker for it not to move (it still does a little when I push the brake). I suppose it could fall a little short of F1 teams' expectations...

[@0Blueaura]

you could still perfectly learn to drive, and if serious enough, win races of drift events in real life! try it

[@acidbunny999]

I bet this pro sim is still more quiet than g923 :D Mine sounds like a drill

[@The_Rally_Forge]

better then my sim rig thats for sure

[@naplesbluesrt]

God could you imagine the grief you'd get from the wife? I have a hard enough time convincing mine to deal with my simple desk + chair setup

[@The_Rally_Forge]

@@naplesbluesrt i do have a proper rig but i can't use it as i kept stubbing my toe when i got out of bed due to how close my desk is to my bed and just how big the rig is lol

[@ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI]

People seem perplexed that theres so much trust in simulators but NASA used various analog simulators for the Apollo missions in the 60's.

[@mattt525]

The other team that he cannot mention is Cadillac. By the way

[@unklesuga1644]

This was probably made before the Cadillac announcement

[@mattt525]

@unklesuga1644 thats why I am saying that. Cadillac knew for awhile they were gonna be 11th team. As soon as Micheal Andretti stepped down that was what F1 wanted.

[@blade0667]

Or Audi

[@mattt525]

@blade0667 i do actually forget about their team🤣 you're right. IF Ferrari is using that Simulator and Ferrari are supplying Cadillac's engines it makes sense

[@hahaFunny-d8x]

it has to be Haas

[@gonzo1354]

Another reason to become a billionaire.... Get 20 of the top of the range ones so you can race the full grid with your mates..... oh wait, billionaires don't really have mates

[@boostedmedia]

AWESOME! Great video guys :)

[@reagan-priceless]

When you guys collabing?!

[@TheRenegadeGuitar92]

Wouldn’t electromagnets be able to solve the g-force problem? It could be dangerous and would require a lot of safety measures. 360 electromagnets would be able to impart forces on a driver suit/helmet lined with a responsive material (some metal). Pull on driver’s hands/body head when accelerating and cornering, repulse during deceleration.

[@JonnyWho]

Interesting idea but, size and weight would probably rule it out. Not to mention the effects on other metalic and electronics within the rig. Tensioners on the belts would cover deceleration and maybe some lateral Gs on the driver. Maybe a wearable harness with additional straps on the body and helmet could come close.

[@axlrose357]

You may be able to simulate the force outside of human body but the strain you'll feel in your muscle the movement of your internal organs can't be simulate.

[@LordSaliss]

Safety measures would be pretty easy. You would be able to know how the amperage to magnetic force curve is sloped and build your "g force" models around that. By knowing that, you also know the maximum amperage the system will pull to achieve a specific setting, and so could use fast blow fuses for a setting a few amps higher than the absolute maximum allowed. While the electromagnets would have a large inrush current, when powering the system on you can build an energizing system that does that slowly so not to blow the safety fuses, and once the electronics are all powered up and a base level of magnetic flux has reached saturation the actual ramping up to a higher specific level should not have anywhere near the initial system power-on inrush current, so quick blow fuses should be perfectly viable I think the main detractor is that a sufficiently usable metal lining a vest, helmet, and gloves would be far too much weight and be too heavy and feel so different from a normal racing suit that it might make the system invalid.

[@gonzo1354]

@@LordSaliss Could set the sim up with full 3D movement in a [large] globe to use gravity to help with the Gs

[@joemay6907]

Gotta love an idea so bizarre and outside the box. Thats where innovation begins…

[@SpeakerMunkey]

I was literally asking someone about this yesterday, and you go and make a video just for me to answer my curiosity. You are so generous! :)

[@danieldorn9989]

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[@arnaudj.5314]

I was waiting for someone like you to try a real F1 factory team simulator!! I’m so excited to watch it

[@F1Guy1]

0:33 Kubica mentioned RAAAHHHH

[@DriftJunkie]

0:34 POLAND POWER! 💪💪🇵🇱🇵🇱

[@peteorengo5888]

We used simulators extensively for aircraft testing. It is an invaluable tool for aircraft development. I’m surprised to hear of latency issues on F1 simulators as that has a relatively easy solution.

[@procatprocat9647]

What's the solution, and why haven't they applied it to what you saw in the video?

[@Dave-gf3kd]

I really enjoy being educated about these subjects. Thank You!

[@zurugula4390]

0:35 GIGAKUBICAAAAA \o/ Great content, appreciate it!

[@_ilsegugio_]

a part from Pete Windsor, nobody can touch Scott's content quality on motorsports on yt

[@lunar-tick4310]

Hey, awesome video once again. Try some noise removal on your vocals, I could hear alot of noise, just some advice :)

[@myweirdtaste8090]

Best competent video about pro simulators available public.

[@squidcaps4308]

I wonder if parallelization could be used to pre-compute all the predicted values that can happen on the next frame or frames... I mean, if the value of something is '5' in this frame it won't be 50 000 the next frame. It will be 6 or 8. Add 16k predictions matrix and you can pick the solution from a storage. Kind of what our brains do all the time... Computing something takes time but if we can solve all possible predictions of what is going to happen next then you only need to execute.

Exceptional performance is usually an exponential cost.

[@birgerg]

In theory easy to simulate g-forces. But the entire thing inside a centrifuge, like used for g simulation for fighter pilots.

[@GranDaddo]

If this 8mil is not going from the performance budget the F1 team has, then it is absolutely worth it.

[@JohnCharb87]

Virtual Spa versus the Real one? Cool concept to test on any track.

[@IrocZIV]

I kinda expected the bigger rigs to use some sort of 6 axis system to use gravity to simulate G-force, though i suppose when the cars can pull 6G maybe that is less useful.

[@Leynad778]

I was using 6 DOF, but I think there is not enough return of investment in comparison to a good tactile feedback setup with some Buttkickers. The latency is always smaller because actuators are actually very slow with their 250 mm per second, which is 1 km/h. And having individual bass-transducers for each tyre plus engine-, ABS- gearbox- etc. effects is nothing special. With SimHub you can run a dozen different channels and I'm running tactile feedback (up to 6 shakers) since 2016. After trying a dozen motion-systems in different price-ranges, I was quite unimpressed. Tactile certainly beats motion if it isn't combined.

[@AndrewKuntzman]

Wow. That is amazing tech. I need one

[@DrDeuteron]

The fact that F1 cars don't bank saves a lot of money in the sim. I mean SIMming Talladega would be rough.

[@robmanueb.]

I think they could add wires to the helmet to drag your head around to simulate g=force.

[@dbzcollector9963]

This puts my moza setup to shame…. 😭 the only thing I have that they don’t is a fan on the base to simulate wind 😂.

[@lorddoobsworth144]

having that go-pro there isnt good for aerodynamics my brother

[@IJustLikeBikes]

I bet Mazepin could find a way to make one of these spin around, or even on his best day crash and break the whole sim.

[@Moonfaster]

What is he doing nowadays?

[@deerlord2363]

​@@Moonfaster fighting with the Russian army in Ukraine.

[@Squilliam-Fancyson]

Maz once crashed a bike-hometrainer...

[@timo7641]

I need this DMG-1 and Olympic level Proto Shoes test Treadmills for my private gym

[@Aanthanur]

mmh, i felt bad spening 800$ on my PC.

[@paulphillipson2378]

Is it so they can assess who is best, then ignore the results and promote Lawson? They should bin em, meritocracy is finished.

[@jerome8670]

😂 Very true…. Face has got to fit firstly ! I think it’s a poisoned seat any way so he’s dodged a bullet

[@church493]

I wonder if "pogo-ing" story of f1 cars a while ago weren't because of problems/limitations in that simulating to manufacturing workflow

[@Arvinetor]

The real world simulation is crazy

[@adventurebikeracing]

I mean with limited real world testing the confidence is kind of relative. You actually have to trust it at some point.

[@youseftowfeq7260]

Haas, the other f1 team is haas

[@grozaphy]

haas does not have a sim. they recently gained access to toyota's sim i think

[@EverythingGaming653]

Prolly Cadillac

[@mythilisaran3961]

They use old Ferrari sim

[@johart309]

hmmm...slightly better than my dualsense gamepad

[@mahadevovnl]

Simulator? Life already IS a simulation. This is a simulator inside a simulator.

[@AlexanderPaterson-f1e]

The only team the simulator for parts doesn’t work for is Aston martib

[@IBM29]

I think I know what I want for Christmas...

[@G.e.o.d.e]

optimum's next sim setup

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

If I had the money, I'd buy one.

[@charlescdt6509]

They spend all this money just for IRacing to look a hell of a lot better.

[@trance9158]

Great interesting video...do other race series teams use these as well.. like IMSA/WEC endurance racing teams??

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

Yes. Peugeot just put out a video of Theo Pourchaire in their simulator the other day. Even F2/F3 teams have simulators (though not as advanced).

[@JohnGeorgeHill]

Is the cost of the simulator included in the team's cost cap? If a team cannot afford the best simulator, is that an unfair advantage?

[@jamesmccaul2945]

looks like I'll need a bigger bedroom...

[@germanarredondo8287]

Seria gracioso que el chasis del simulador tuviera sponsors.

[@mace1367]

Somethings wrong with the Aston Martin sim

[@Cloxxki]

But, can it run on iRacing, let alone online?

[@gtracer88]

You can say Cadillac as the other team it's fine

[@jarrodclyne707]

How can he not have a VRS setup in his office?

[@Wings_of_foam]

One thing they cant replicate is the wind and turbulence. At least not 100%

[@dbzcollector9963]

“Puts fan on dash board.” What’s next?

[@gonzo1354]

@@dbzcollector9963 Watering can hanging above the fan for wet weather

[@discodan2265]

My cardboard box and Wii controllers just aint gonna cut it no more no more!

[@Moonfaster]

Hang in there 😊

[@subinjeysun264]

Ok but Nikhil Garrett what in the indo western combination name is that!!! 😄😄😄😄😄

[@thomasgoodwin2648]

Take that 'It's_Just_A_Gamers'! ✌😎👍

[@t0ftii926]

come on now. W video

[@cloudysky302]

Cadillac are sim data testing?

[@rival2028]

I need one of these in my bedroom

[@jps339]

no Iracing is not a simulator it is just a game... this is a simulator!

[@SandraWilson-u3f]

Your ideas are always so original and interesting. Thank you for your hard work!Thank you for your creativity and efforts. Your videos are always a joy to watch.❗️🐍👋

[@andiszile]

I always wonder about software ("game") they use. What is it ? Does everybody has some specific in-house developed thing ? Or ir there some off-the-shelf solution ? How does it compare to something like Asseto-Corsa. As i know it does take some shortcuts with its simulation.

[@rikodzn]

Hi Dude! The Software that is used in the Video is rFactor Pro I instantly recognized it. It is basically rFactor 2 but more "enterprise-ish" with more specific features for these use cases and more telemetry output and things like that. So the next nearest thing would be rFactor 2 because they share the same physics engine from what I understand. Another software that is used by Mercedes for example is Panthera from Cruden.

[@Tanks_In_Space]

Nice but .. can it run F1 23 too?

[@angeleqq_]

0:35 POLSKA GUROM

[@dontwanna1602]

Why did the teams have porpoising issues?

[@gonzo1354]

Many tiny reasons.... Like track surface texture makes a difference, cos of the way it affects air flow etc

[@Squilliam-Fancyson]

0:20 Apex GP ;)?

[@jan-eriklundberg3259]

Wouldnt 3d help a bit?

[@robertsestito6821]

So when there car suck they can blame the correlation from Sim to the car.

[@LauraTaylor-d9y]

I watch your videos with great pleasure! You are a true master at creating quality content.🤞🖥⛏

[@lewis7515]

0:29 F1 teams have physical rolling tracks/roads of _this_ scale?.. Is that what I just saw here?!... Edit: Oh, hahaha, on me! The key words come a little later.... 1:40 😅

[@wbeel]

They do! The windtunnel models are allowed to be max 70% scale.

[@lewis7515]

​@@wbeel That's the thing - initially, I thought I was looking at a _full-scale_ rig!.. 🤭 I couldn't believe what I was seeing - and I shouldn't have!

[@MeRacko]

So Lewis Hamilton beat that sim that is always on the limit doesn't care how the car drives and is to good that time in Singapore

[@djse]

Can someone (with lot of money) could buy this for private home usage ? And does it work with normal game (would be fun to have a spin in this thing playing Mario Kart😅 )

[@EmilyPhillips-u6j]

Your channel is a real treasure trove of knowledge and entertainment. Continue to delight us with your talent and professionalism!🐣🤣🚌

[@OliviaCampbell-x3e]

Watching your channel is like an inspiring adventure that never ends. Keep leading us into the wonderful world of your creativity!🙉🍸🏋️

[@hubik666]

Is it rFactor?

[@kaptnwelpe5322]

Did you or they choose Spa?

[@squidcaps4308]

The simulator platform knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is Greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The motion control subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the platform from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.

[@allmachtigerkase4880]

So will there be a PlayStation Version or…?

[@window469wow3]

hello

[@subikashbiswas3237]

But is it better than my PS 2 controller

[@hahaFunny-d8x]

other team using it is of course HAAS

[@fgoehner]

Why do you need to wear a helmet in a sim?

[@maxmike181]

And yet Mercedes still ended up with a bouncy as shit car for the last 3 years.

[@alpha007org]

I wonder about the software they are running... I have so many questions, but these kinds of videos are not for me. And even if asked, I doubt they would answer.

[@gonzo1354]

Custom designed by the sim folk would be my guess.

[@alpha007org]

@@gonzo1354 Sure. But my software dev brain want to know the specifics. Like how they model tires. How do they model dampers, because for accurate damper simulation, you would need 10x faster than current hardware can do. And yes, I know these are the very secrets that made them successful.

[@zeus-mt7wx]

The track testing ban was stupid. Shows when you get FIA out of control ruling’s, end up with multi million dollar simulator machines. How much does it cost for 1 hr on these simulator machines. FIA spends millions and millions each yr on there fancy pancy buildings , laptops, personnel , limos , private jets, 1st class food. Everybody in FIA gets 1st class everything. We get nothing but this stupid video of a driver playing on a computer game that costs millions to to maintain and millions to use per team. ::::::;;; Brilliant::::::::

[@mrmozzarellasticks4510]

not haas

[@IamTx216]

A lot of yapping and no racing

[@kirionr122]

Wow

[@DFSJR1203]

Back between 1982 to 1992 I was a design engineer on the Super Mini-Computers that ran everything associated with a military flight simulator.

[@Yam_Sandwich]

When you see the technology available now compared to just 25 years ago it makes those late 20th century cars that much more impressive.

[@kristian6622]

Why is it that you hear from the likes of Aston Martin so often, that the upgrades they put on the car "don't behave how they think they will"? And they need to "understand" the car? You do not elaborate enough into this.

[@Bare_Essence]

I always thought that 3D perspective and depth perception of the real world had a lot to do with ability to drive. I've always believed and saw that a 2D screen does not really deliver true depth perception. Sim drivers are looking only at visual queues (course markers) to simply memorize the position of when to brake/up-downshift/accelerate. Maybe that is true when heading for a curve at 320KPH even in the real world. I saw no 3D aids used unless the screen technology provides that. Those do exists with limitations, just not sure if any are used here.

[@cuculeaoctavian3694]

Can't mention Haas ?:))

[@mattt525]

Its Cadillac

[@DarrylHart]

Utterly pointless.

[@scottyo64]

That's not true. It's a great tool.

[@thana090909]

Hamilton is that you?

[@DarrylHart]

​@@scottyo64 I'll take the word of Lewis on this one.

[@gonzo1354]

@@thana090909 🤣

[@jchongtk]

Hamilton said he do not drive simulator

[@Yam_Sandwich]

He will get a lot of hours in Ferrari's sim this offseason to absorb as much info from the car as possible.

[@scottyo64]

Who cares about hammy

[@elmurcis1]

Doesn't matter - even if Lewis himself didn't use it, team will have test drivers who will use simulator extensively to develop car and narrow down setup for each track. With limitations of wind tunnel time and no actual testing on tracks during season, this is middle part that allows to test things "at home" and use gathered data for calibration on real track.

[@gonzo1354]

Started using them more since 2023, prob cos there's less latency and MB needed to do a lot of dev.

[@nebelwaffel8174]

weird, that they still don't use vr headsets, but rather invest into these gigantian goofy projector walls

[@JMANN_2005]

latency is the problem

[@Wafflecombo54]

I agree give em an Oculus

[@tipo055]

I'd prefer the projector walls as my mind is still connected to the outside world and not lost in a headset. Something about VR headsets bother me somewhat.

[@Richard.Seaman]

this is way better than vr, wym?

[@Webzterr]

Surely the idea is to preserve as much real world elements as possible so all that anything learned is closer to 1:1 with the real world. As well with VR you cannot see the steering wheel if they are using or trying out new settings on wheels. The driver won't have a clue. This just makes more sense in my opinion

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

Simulators should be banned for F1 teams.

[@Sid_itsme]

Right opinion

[@makb_the_striker]

And testing disbanned? 😉

[@BigPen12435]

mate y0ur on something strong, sims are better bc theres no risk of harm if something goes wrong

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

@@BigPen12435 Do you think this is 1973? You know what will be no risk = no races. Go watch tennis or something. F1 is too much for you.

[@mtnman1984]

Hot take No elaboration Nailed it

[@OliviaMitchell-d2c]

Your videos are a true art! Every time you surprise me with the quality and depth of your content.🫰🌎🫶