Watching these guys motivate me to perfect my Drywall jobs. Job well done with precision.
@AnthonyBarnett-ez3ni10 ай бұрын
Longest sheets of drywall I've ever seen in my life
@Maxkil10 ай бұрын
hell yeah!, its thin though. dont be fooled we are not that strong
@GigaChad-lr2gx6 ай бұрын
How long are they? 16ft?
@Jabberwok285 ай бұрын
I was going to say, are they like 3/8”?
@atedinahalf62885 ай бұрын
@@Jabberwok28It's probably a half inch.
@bigears40144 ай бұрын
@ated1inahalf6288 10mm 6m
@smellygoatacres Жыл бұрын
As a former painter, a good drywall crew is important. Paint can cover a lot of crap and caulk can make a poor trim job look decent but bad drywall is impossible to pretty up.
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
yeah mate I agree
@MAGAMAN11 ай бұрын
This is why I am replacing all the drywall in me house.
@Florida_nikk7 ай бұрын
Any good finisher can hide the dry walkers mistakes.
@harryhoudini2645 Жыл бұрын
Why are you leaving gap at top and seeing board on floor. We always went tight to ceiling and left gap at floor
@Josh_D0310 ай бұрын
We d the same thing in the states on commercial buildings. Metal flexes so we put in plastic made for that so the rock doesn't crack. Basically an expansion joint
@BENABARE4 ай бұрын
I know that in Australia they use cornice which covers that gap
@dragonf10924 ай бұрын
Yep the floor trim covers the gap.
@dragonf10924 ай бұрын
I wouldn't hire these guys to sheetrock anything.
@rektyourface6955Ай бұрын
@@dragonf1092 why’s that
@edwinwise6751 Жыл бұрын
Been in construction most of my life as a contractor, these guys are the real deal. I wish my crews had been 1/2 this fast
@Dubyea Жыл бұрын
Yea no kidding. The large boards not joints… most crews would take them 15 20 mins to do that wall
@michelchartrand725711 ай бұрын
Chances are that they are making much more though.
@ianreiner158611 ай бұрын
they would have been faster if 3 out of 3 all had tattoos then they work harder too not pay their rent and work for another paint on their body. lol
@greeneggs16Ай бұрын
No insulation! Right on!
@DomesticDave Жыл бұрын
No insulation or sound proofing???????
@davidh73004 ай бұрын
I'm a carpenter that hangs drywall once a blue moon maybe on a rainy day. Just watching you guys for 5 minutes will help me up my game. First off I mark both sides of the piece to verify square. I think I will keep that habit I get paid well but don't have to fly like you guys, just hustle a little. Yeah a drywall crew would fire me.
@macduff144 ай бұрын
I used to carry 2 x 12.5 up apartment stairs .... on own . I would fit 60 sheets a day . 12.5mm. I'm 60 now . I got one metal hip at 50 year old . And the other one is on its way.
@kerryklopfstein42604 ай бұрын
I hung drywall for 17 years, I wish this light weight stuff was available in my day. Well done guys.
@chriscrowell-lv7wm4 ай бұрын
those gentlemen are mechanics not just hangers and yes when i was hanging in the glory days it wasnt as easy
@afridgetoofar18184 ай бұрын
I always use screws when I hang drywall. Takes a little longer, but much less likely to pop over time.
@jasonalba7679 Жыл бұрын
Never seen sheet that long.good job guys.
@harryhoudini2645 Жыл бұрын
14 footers probably hung many of them you can also get 54"instead of standard 48" for 9 foot ceilings
@Josh_D0310 ай бұрын
Might even be 16' I've hung many over the years
@82acresfarm3 ай бұрын
@harryhoudini2645 20ft sheets 3/8" standard in australia
@MrSnakedta7 күн бұрын
ive been a pro Drywaller for 2 years and I'm still not good..... thank you tapers
@Maxkil2 күн бұрын
An honest man is a good man. I say the same thing about I'm a good sander
@tvpi-z1v10 ай бұрын
thats a good crew, finish at 12 down too the local :)
@SaerTurner-wn2qh4 ай бұрын
Every Drywaller and boarder Gets my Respect over 40 years in the trades and Drywall well its takes a special bread I hate it can do it but no ..So my Respect boys
@MAG-12343 ай бұрын
Made me tired but inspired just from watching these craftsmen work! I'm teaching myself how to really lay block at the age of 47, and seeing these guys turn and burn is awesome!
@Maxkil3 ай бұрын
yeah I really want to learn more, some day I want a farm and to build some things myself!. Never too old to learn something new I say
@fredsavage49257 ай бұрын
Sometimes you pay for a man's expertise, sometimes for his tools. You get both with this crew. Top dollar for top work is where it's at.
@geneo1976 Жыл бұрын
Are you leaving out where you cut out where the receptacles are in the rooms? NEC code spec are supposed to be every 12' around a room. I didn't see anything exposed. I didn't see any switches either. I have done my share of sheetrock work over the years. Great job, just asking.
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
The electrician does that and they are all marked out prior to sheeting and get pulled through later
@kelvindawe5123 Жыл бұрын
Fast work chaps god nows where you get sheets that length but most amazingly you must have the only makita screw guns that don't constantly jam up my 2 drive me mantal keep it up chaps.
@82acresfarm3 ай бұрын
I thought the same about the makita but all the drywall crews in australia seem to use them exclusively
@faisalbaz123Ай бұрын
after 5 years, I figured out today how the hack did my office has such precise drywall install that not even a single curve or joint is visible. Now, I find out that there is a long version of drywall too. LoL
@scherm55147 ай бұрын
Gotta love Australia. 20 foot boards. Cornice everywhere.
@Maxkil7 ай бұрын
Yeah, the sheets are thinner to elsewhere you know. Only 10mm walls 🫣
@82acresfarm3 ай бұрын
@@Maxkil you can get 10 mm in europe as well but 12.5 is the most common. Soundproofing is more common too. I did a job where all the internal walls were sound deadened and double hung first layer with moisture resistant and second with knauf purple board. That stuff is heavy and rediculously hard to cut. Also need special screws to fix it, found that out through trial and error mostly error😅. Great watching you guys work though learnt a heap. Miss the 6m sheets everything is 2.5-3m max here.
@AAB-bo7pt2 ай бұрын
well done boys !! that s good practice indeed
@breeze7872 ай бұрын
Are these guys always in the zone? They seem so content.
@JoeBaugh-v9o3 ай бұрын
These guys are for real!🔥💯💯
@jordanholmes40523 ай бұрын
Wow I've never seen sheets this long🤣 what are these weighing in at? I've just invested in one off them cutters that your using too trim round the doors on this video recently, it's fair too say they are quicker than a jab saw🤣 save a lot off time when trimming around sockets etc. Top job boys👌🏻
@gordonclark763211 ай бұрын
Now that is efficiency. Is the guy doing the cutting called the 'cut guy' like the framers use?
@MattMc365 Жыл бұрын
Wild lookin studs . I’ve been framing metal for over 20 yrs , mostly piece work . That framing looks a bit different than here in the US. :)
@williamrobinson88674 ай бұрын
I been doing it 51 years u earn your money people in offices should never complain
@Maxkil4 ай бұрын
Hey William, for sure. Its not easy but wouldn't want to work in an office too! 51 years that's awesome.. you would have seen some things. I would love to hear some stories
@robertbutler800411 ай бұрын
That can't be in Australia because they did not use stud adhesive on the studs before fixing the sheeting!
@Maxkil11 ай бұрын
Yeah we did
@hhusain884 ай бұрын
rebull can at 4:26 is still there when they put the drywall at 6:56. lol enjoy the ants 🤣
@Maxkil4 ай бұрын
We eat ants here in Australia
@markhodges1276 Жыл бұрын
Why do builds in Aus not often use interior wall insulation? Are they just being cheap?
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
Yes they are being cheap
@vangogh1588 Жыл бұрын
I dunno.. Maybe so that if you fart on one room people in the other don't hear it?
@smellygoatacres Жыл бұрын
No reason to insulate interior walls. Duh
@markhodges1276 Жыл бұрын
@h2s142 For sound primarily, but also thermal. If you have a multizone ducted AC system, especially using newer tech with individual zone temperature settings, you can close doors to unused zones and have less thermal transfer, more efficient cooling/heating. But yeah the main reason is sound. It's very commonplace in most other parts of the world to have internal wall insulation, but Australia is so far behind the game with insulating buildings in general. We may not get the same cold weather as the northern hemisphere, but we get extreme heat. We still have new builds with 4mm glass, and limited wall insulation FFS
@markhodges1276 Жыл бұрын
@@smellygoatacres see above
@lewisriggs6596 Жыл бұрын
These guys are good but why gaps at the too
@scouseaussie1638 Жыл бұрын
Crown moulding goes there
@WarrenKelly-fq9ro2 ай бұрын
What's with the huge gap in the top angle? I see boarders starting on the top sheet first then lower, a huge amount of boarders never take into account of how a taper would do his job without unnecessary butt joints,screw nibs not recessed.
@zachwagner1838 Жыл бұрын
Just curious about popped screws. Work behind guys with screw guns, and always have pops to deal with
@Ketchupbelongsonsteak9 ай бұрын
Installed wrong . Nothing to do with them being screws.
@zachwagner18389 ай бұрын
@@Ketchupbelongsonsteak no shit!?. It was more or less about using the guns with bands, and just pumping and dumping… why I said, what about popped screws. Pump and dump, leave it for the finisher. Not my first day
@Ketchupbelongsonsteak9 ай бұрын
@@zachwagner1838 I hate those guns. My shoulder can't push them.
@zachwagner18389 ай бұрын
@@Ketchupbelongsonsteak most of the hangers we work around nail the perimeter, screw off the field. Problem we come across is they don’t have the depth set right, pump and dump, and leave us with the mess. They use screw guns, but they aren’t the decking screw guns. That’s why I said, what do they do about popped screws. No good with the OG if not set, what about the decking screw gun? Even worse for wear
@Ketchupbelongsonsteak9 ай бұрын
@@zachwagner1838 when I started we nailed perimeters. Now I never use nails but I glue when I can. Vapor barrier obviously not gluing there. The paper on the face of drywall is so thin these days it is hard to get screws that don't pop through but it is still possible guys just need to pay attention more. I'm still on the fence for cordless guns. I feel to often when I'm finishing I'm turning those in 1/8-1/4 turn before the sheet is actually tight and doesn't move when pushed on. I love gluing because less screws and in the case a screw does break paper the sheet still doesn't move so it's not coming back as a pop later.
@danielrutigliano7938 Жыл бұрын
3/8 inch...for ceilings maybe. Those walls are paper thin.
@frostbite1991 Жыл бұрын
lived in a crappy house with walls that thin. Made many repairs when moving out. Just a minor bump between the studs would break it. Awful stuff. New house has 1" thick walls, a bit overkill but it was built to last over a century.
@jimmys511 Жыл бұрын
You guys are quick
@skliros92354 жыл бұрын
Are these cheap homes you're working on? With the metal studs, thin drywall, and no insulation, sound must travel across the house with ease.
@arod67894 жыл бұрын
Who insulates an interior wall?
@craigpalmer2564674 жыл бұрын
@@arod6789 pretty much every country besides Australia
@jonathoncarranza44144 жыл бұрын
@@craigpalmer256467 alot of interior wall are not insulated in homes it's just the exterior for heat amd cold
@whoobie20084 жыл бұрын
I noticed there are no electrical boxes.
@arod67894 жыл бұрын
@@craigpalmer256467 haven't seen any and I'm in the US
@Peterviegal2 ай бұрын
We don't call it drywall in Australia mate.
@wranther4 жыл бұрын
Have you previously done a video on the framing requirements with metal studs down your way before? Appears very detailed behind the sheetrock. -Bob...
@victorguerrero42493 жыл бұрын
All the houses in Australia and New Zealand that are steel frame are pre fabricated and just assembled on site like a puzzle
@steventhebroker Жыл бұрын
@@victorguerrero4249 does that make it more economical and/or more efficient? If so, is there a way to bring that to the United States?
@victorguerrero4249 Жыл бұрын
@@steventhebroker less time less waste so easy a trained ape could assemble it
@steventhebroker Жыл бұрын
@@victorguerrero4249Lol. That’s dope. How do I go about getting that system here in South Florida? What’s the cost?
@houseofwonders1 Жыл бұрын
@@steventhebroker Pretty sure they build metal garages & shops like that in the US
@willj8610 Жыл бұрын
Yep that was a huge Milwaukee tool haul, pity every tool on site is Makita
@noelnichols35543 ай бұрын
What ya gona do with that crack at the top? I hung rock for 40 + years, commercial and residential. Commercial starts at the bottom and residential starts at the top. I they would have pushed the top wall piece up to the ceiling there wouldn't be a crack, and the finisher 's job would be a lot easer...
@Maxkil3 ай бұрын
It gets cornice, otherwise they would need to get wider board
@82acresfarm3 ай бұрын
Australia has cornice everywhere as standard
@marcarriaga320111 ай бұрын
Good work
@billmulkins3217 Жыл бұрын
Never seen sheet rock that long.
@LEK-we2hh Жыл бұрын
You just did 🤭
@82acresfarm3 ай бұрын
Its standard size in Australia
@kasteelvannieuwland8875 Жыл бұрын
No insulation in the wall? Gonna be a noizy house...
@adi-d59023 жыл бұрын
What’s with the gaps at the top, curious
@stephenc41613 жыл бұрын
cornice
@HARRYYZ125 Жыл бұрын
But what if customer at a later date doesnt want coving..thats shocking you dont care. Amateur at best .
@markhodges1276 Жыл бұрын
@@HARRYYZ125 If you pull cornice anyway your going to need to hang new sheet. The cornice cement will take a good chunk out of the sheet on both wall and ceiling. Decision to use/not use coving would only be made on new build or major reno.
@DavidSchreiner-cc5zqАй бұрын
Pretty impressive skills hanging sheetrock is no joke.
@nickoregan73084 жыл бұрын
??? How long is that board
@dismaldog4 жыл бұрын
6m-(20ft)
@michaelfahandez50424 жыл бұрын
Good job guys how long r those drywall? I love mudding
@Maxkil4 жыл бұрын
6meters man, I love mudding as well. Everyone does I think 👍
@markhodges1276 Жыл бұрын
@@Maxkil I want to love it, but as a DIYer I just don't get enough reps. I spend more time swearing than mudding.
@dmitripogosian5084 Жыл бұрын
@@markhodges1276 As a DIYer, I hate mudding, painting, tiling etc. Much prefer screwing, nailing and assembling in general :)
@markhodges1276 Жыл бұрын
@@dmitripogosian5084 yeah any finishing trades are rough. They require technique which only comes from practice and repetition. I'll probably annoy a few chippys with this comment but framing just requires building code knowledge, the ability to measure and the right tools. Much more fun.
@dmitripogosian5084 Жыл бұрын
@@markhodges1276 Yep, that's why I always feel that plumbers, electricians, installers etc overcharge, while finishers ? I just bow and ready to pay anything they ask :)
@mattheweggers83453 ай бұрын
No there men im59 been do stuff like that for 40 yrs still walkin upright
@ELPeeDubYou4 ай бұрын
Try that with 5/8" 😂 JK...thats how it done, son!
@WickedLobstah9789 ай бұрын
All can hang by themselves and are fast. Ive been hanging over 20 years. Ive never seen framing like that though. Its nice to get a square open layout like that. Pretty fast with those screw guns you guys use. Couldnt pay me enough to run those but I gotta give you credit for the speed with them. I could definitely work with these guys, but not running that monstrosity of a gun lol. Hand fed screwing is the best and fastest (for me). Good work though guys!
@ianreiner158611 ай бұрын
na all ya need to be a good drywaller is a sleeveless Iron Maiden shirt and some acid Rock.... I am a Carpenter btw
@Maxkil11 ай бұрын
Iron maiden. Hell yeah, with rips in it.
@Mael_GomM7 ай бұрын
What’s the drill holder you guys use?
@ClementAbel-k8x2 ай бұрын
Conroy Lakes
@Ryan-yb3bf Жыл бұрын
Dude has some SICK tattoos.
@blastmasterparker63583 ай бұрын
Used to run 2miles 530 am lift wieghts then lay hi density block all day or concrete
@LearningOfOld8 ай бұрын
That’s the longest sheets of drywall I’ve seen
@MrThrock09 Жыл бұрын
Whoever said these people will be in wheelchairs by the time they’re 50 you’re completely clueless. I’m one of those guys I’m now 66 years old and can run circles around most 40 year olds. These bastards are tougher than nails when you say work smart what the hell does that even mean apparently you haven’t been a pieceworker before. these guys probably show up just as it’s getting daylight and they probably go home by 2:30 3 o’clock in the summertime so they can play with their families and they were made $300 $400 for the day.
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! You need to give us some tips!!
@Bryanvaughn-s4t10 ай бұрын
Swisted showed up to the party
@darenrrful Жыл бұрын
why dont you put the drywall all the way up
@markhodges1276 Жыл бұрын
Cornice (coving) closes the gap. Leaving a gap makes it much easier to hang. If they were going to tape and mud the corners then for sure they would hang a tighter fit.
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
@markhodges1276 yeah mate, we put the bottom sheet on a block of plasterboard then sit the next one on it. Cornice finishes the top
@ACDC940 Жыл бұрын
Fukin easy with one cut per wall. Try this on a reno
@jw8556 Жыл бұрын
You want the right crew to get it done you gotta pay the right bucks good tradies are worth there weight in the best tools
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
Sure are
@dragonf10924 ай бұрын
Where the hell did they learn to hang Sheetrock big gap between the ceiling and the wall.
@xander17564 ай бұрын
55 or 90mm Cornice covers the gap. Where did you gain your Sheetrock knowledge from?
@EmilioGarcia-fr5po4 ай бұрын
Why the gap at ceiling joint sssss?
@galegregory973 жыл бұрын
These guys right here Mexican put it up as fast as the other guys can tape it off what you think
@039raymond Жыл бұрын
no soundinsulation between the drywall??
@jackoneil4164 Жыл бұрын
What are those shoes covers called?
@WarrenKelly-fq9ro2 ай бұрын
Faster is not always better.
@user-yz1gh8rk3k4 күн бұрын
What is that 4.8meters? !!!
@Maxkil2 күн бұрын
Hey mate, not sure could be longer, they come in six meter lengths of drywall out here
@dubiousdistinction65004 ай бұрын
1 5/8 steel studs in a house?
@dangelomack14 ай бұрын
What are the tools being used?
@Maxkil4 ай бұрын
Makita collated screw guns
@MAGAMAN11 ай бұрын
It will never not bother me seeing people do drywall from the ground up instead of the ceiling down.
@Maxkil11 ай бұрын
You know why?
@Itakiki9 ай бұрын
Genuinely curious, but to my knowledge you start from top down so that the inside corner joint for the ceiling has 2 factory edges for finishing. Ifyou don't care about that though going bottom up is easier to hang, since you can balance the top sheet on the bottom sheet. Cool video though!
@billymcgarrity7138Ай бұрын
Why no insulation 🤔
@topsyball1049 Жыл бұрын
Weird..drywall not stacked on the wall, cutting it on the floor. Metal studs in a home.? Walls to not go all way to the ceiling. Is this professional.
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
They stack plasterboard on the floor for safety reasons as well not put the weight of the stack on the walls, I suppose.
@edmarcarlos63324 жыл бұрын
Vcs trabalham muito estão de parabéns pelo serviço... Brasil...
@mikescaffo4850 Жыл бұрын
He'll no but they are great workers
@caminhoneiroborbainternaci8164 жыл бұрын
Love drywall
@kombaster93983 ай бұрын
I love too....but to looking only.Bad memories from Vienna Austria.The serbian guy never paid me for the months as drywall worker.But one polish guy stole all of his tools because the serbian didn't paid to him two weeks for the plastering.
@DavidBrown-ek8it5 ай бұрын
No screws in the feild ?
@Maxkil5 ай бұрын
Stud adhesive instead
@randallfrank56824 ай бұрын
Impressive sheetrock handling.
@chenlee32404 ай бұрын
100 times faster then me but mine is better, I like it tight against the ceiling it helps support the edges of the lid.
@Maxkil4 ай бұрын
Yeah we have a cornice that goes up for that., if you want it tight here you would need to buy a wider sheet and cut every sheet down
@JW-iw6ww2 ай бұрын
tsk tsk.... always hang top sheet first.. taping that ceiling joint would be a pain.... if the gap is on the bottom, baseboard covers it
@Maxkil2 ай бұрын
Yes you are correct, however we are not taping that, it's gets a drywall cove cemented to it.
@JW-iw6ww2 ай бұрын
@@Maxkil oh ok... cool vid
@IsraelMedina-j7o Жыл бұрын
pretty fast, is that 1/2"? board? man 14' footers?
@dismaldog Жыл бұрын
That be 10mm sheet,20 ft here.
@MattMc365 Жыл бұрын
Piece work , grab it and growl .
@jimmys511 Жыл бұрын
No insulation for sound proofing?
@Coolcarting Жыл бұрын
No
@1mandrywallarmytv1444 жыл бұрын
apparently they do not believe in butt joints. lol those sheet are loooooong,
@kamelraja40623 ай бұрын
I would like to work woth you i have a 5 yeras experience about it iam here in east london
@Suarez.249 ай бұрын
How long is that board?? 4,80 meters¿?
@Maxkil9 ай бұрын
Our sheets come in 6.00 meters or 236.22 ″ for you Americans
@Suarez.249 ай бұрын
In arg. We only have sheets of 1.20 x 2.40 meters generally (standard). It is difficult to work with sheets of that size (6 meters), since they are not found in the market in our country. Thanks for the answer @@Maxkil
@primer-sk6659 Жыл бұрын
В пустоту между листами нужно укладывать Шумоизоляция, иначе слышимость будет плохая.
@dmitripogosian5084 Жыл бұрын
Где то тут писали что изоляция, в том числе шумо, пойдет потом.
@prebenviggofejr1414Ай бұрын
Good job guys, but there will come a day you can't do it anymore with that speed- I'm a craftsman myself from the late 60's until 2015. and my body gets worn out- believe me- I'm telling the truth- my body is worn out- at 74 years old I have difficulty walking - moving - due to too much sitting on my knees - crawling up and down ladders and scaffolding, as well as lugging and carrying everything- before we got lifts and other lifting equipment added-- have been on workplace forms at 80 meters height, so take care of yourselves out there!!
@Rhye7767 Жыл бұрын
Are those 16ft sheets?
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
20ft. 6 meters
@jamesbasye2362 Жыл бұрын
If you cover up the studs and dont mark it how are you going to accurately screw it off on every stud
@Maxkil Жыл бұрын
yeah good point, so need to mark it takes the guessing out of it
@harryhoudini2645 Жыл бұрын
Too much time if you have a good screw at top and bottom and you know your trade eyeball is all it takes.
@jamesbasye2362 Жыл бұрын
@@harryhoudini2645 the time it takes me to mark my studs is a fraction of the time fixing duds trying to not miss
@lucianosantosgoncalves6129 Жыл бұрын
isso aí é aonde ?
@wolololer7 ай бұрын
Australia
@beenschmokin Жыл бұрын
Professionals. But... it's Easier when the walls are straight.
@nemonucliosis Жыл бұрын
Wow amazing! No drywallers in the history of drywalling have ever done this!!
@joshmanning386511 ай бұрын
Boss level shit 🔥
@MSeroga4 жыл бұрын
Quick question, what thickness is the drywall that you guys normally use?
@dismaldog4 жыл бұрын
10mm standard
@MSeroga4 жыл бұрын
@@dismaldog wow no wonder they lift and toss it around so easy haha.
@WalrusMcDonald12n2na2 Жыл бұрын
And people say American walls are made of paper
@Coolcarting Жыл бұрын
@@WalrusMcDonald12n2na2 which people?
@frostbite1991 Жыл бұрын
@@dismaldog makes sense why his rotozip flew through it. I went through 3 rotozip bits trying to cut out a hole for an ethernet faceplate in my wall. 1" thick- 1/2" cement board layered over 1/2" gypsum.
@vincenzoniccoli19863 жыл бұрын
How thick is the plasterboard?
@Patrick003233 жыл бұрын
3/8 drywall or 10mm
@vincenzoniccoli19863 жыл бұрын
@@Patrick00323 What sizes are the large long sheets of p/b you have on the video?
@Patrick003233 жыл бұрын
@@vincenzoniccoli1986 The Drywall is 19 8.22 feet long or 6 meters long by 4 feet wide they are 96 to 103 pounds per sheet.
@cwbutler47591 Жыл бұрын
I couldn't imagine putting ⅜ drywall up without a backer That's just too thin Juat leaning against the wall would cave it in