Pro Tools PERPETUAL VS SUBSCRIPTION| Which Should YOU Buy in 2024?

Let's breakdown the key differences between Pro Tools Perpetual and Subscription and which option is right for you!
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[@Hdhdb-vl5up]

I’m using pro tools 8

[@wonderlandrockopera]

I like to be able to access what I did 10 years ago. Perpetual or death.

[@datooch]

Perpetual for sure.

[@jnivens]

I worked on pt10 for 6 years before I upgraded. I think perpetual will work just fine. When you build a workflow it doesn’t matter u til there is groundbreaking technology changes.

[@Malte-Micha]

Perpetual always, did the subscription for a bit and didn't want to loose the software for not paying. Switched back to Perpetual. This is a good video.

[@carnagelan]

If i look on there wensite there is no option for Perpetual but only subscription. How do i pay ones off and not use subscription

[@nukenoly8751]

Pro Tools Intro is enough for me by hosting workstation type plugins like Avenger or Falcon 😊

[@hyperthreat]

I've been running PT 10 for 10 years. Upgrading to a new HD system and m2 so we will see how stable it us.

[@malcomowenflood]

How'd it turn out for you?

[@Biohazardzro]

i just want to try it first for about month or two then decide to buy the Perpetual

[@willms7350]

I still use Protools 10 and a 003 factory interface- I am upgrading my computer ( to a new /old model) and will keep using PT 10. We've recorded multiple records with this system and I see no benefit in giving AVID money when they won't support my gear that I spent a LOT of money on back in the day.

[@malcomowenflood]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Pro Tools 10 was insanely stable too, if I recall correctly!

[@anthonyaguilar7807]

I have the same , 003, I just bought another upgrade computer (2015) mine old one was a 2004 , well will protools 11 will still work my 003 digi , ? Thanks anyone who can help me

[@argonaut3001]

Very informative. Thank you for clarifying

[@malcomowenflood]

My pleasure! Appreciate the kind comment!

[@egatx]

Thanks for this video, it’s been a couple years since i last used my 2013 imac with pt12, want to get back into creating, going with what im comfortable with and that’s an older version of PT, just ordered a refurbished mbp with high sierra, pretty much fully loaded spec wise, hoping it works better and faster than my old imac and…. works with my home studio gear, uad apollo twin thunderbolt 2, pt12, maschine mkII etc, 😅

[@jannybravo8429]

Ik people still using protools 10

[@malcomowenflood]

The studio I originally interned at way back only just recently moved from their old TDM Pro Tools 10 rig - it was rock solid! But a lot of new hardware and software needs forced them to upgrade so they had to give up the old rig! Was an expensive change for them, but their new control is looking pretty slick i must say, and they are making good use of all the processing power from a newer computer too!

[@Waynyce]

Cause that’s the last version that still had crack plug-ins 👀

[@johnhenningfield4360]

Isn’t 10 the last one that allowed you to use your digidesign 192 & 96 systems before they obliterated it?

[@ryancapelli]

very helpful. thank you!

[@i_am_thuglife]

I’m getting the License

[@TheRealPinkshores]

I like when he said subscribe around 1:25 my subscribe button was glowing on KZbin 😂😂😭😭

[@Waynyce]

I haven’t paid for protools since pt 10 which because I was in school gave me free updates for 4 years so I’m at 12.7 but the studio I go to has the subscription for Ultimate

[@malcomowenflood]

I had no idea Avid gave free updates for multiple years for educational licenses! That’s a score!

[@Officialcbr]

@@malcomowenflood I got these updates too.i was so thankful. I still use 12 on my Mac Pro 2012 and use the current on my new MacBook. Perpetual all the way, if you can use your product well.... who cares

[@Hdhdb-vl5up]

I don’t see the option for perpetual purchase on avid website

[@AndyMangele]

It's similar to buying a car versus leasing one.

[@tonypguitar]

Ive been on PT 10.3.8 for a decade.. If I buy 2 perpetual licenses now.... can I use one for 2024 and and then the other for 2034 ??? not kidding... Ive been holding out big time !!! great video!!!

[@malcomowenflood]

Hey Tony! Thanks for the comment! I'm not sure I understand your question thoroughly enough to be able to answer it though: could you explain why you would want to buy two perpetual Pro Tools licenses at the same time like this? Any context is helpful!

[@tonypguitar]

@@malcomowenflood thank you for responding! Great channel! I guess I’m just trying to wrap my head around this thing… so if I buy one perpetual license update(199) right now, I will have the newest version of ProTools, free updates and support for one year. After that one year, whatever version I have left, that’s what I’ll stay on and end up with no matter what operating system I’m on. I will ride that out as long as I can, then when I’m ready(years later?), I would take another perpetual license and then update in another setting, correct? I’m saying buy two because I don’t know how long this offer is gonna last lol. Of course, I would install this PT update on a brand new computer . Another Question: Can I still run my pro tools 10 on my old computer with this new perpetual license? Thank you in advance.

[@malcomowenflood]

Ah, yes I think I understand! I don't believe you can "pre purchase" a Pro Tools Perpetual Upgrade unfortunately. I'm hopeful that this pricing model is here to stay, but I do understand how one might not be so confident haha. As for Pro Tools 10, you should have no problem running a legacy version of Pro Tools with a more current Pro Tools license! Hope this helps!

[@malcomowenflood]

I feel that I should add, regarding the Pro Tools license being backwards compatible with older versions of Pro Tools, that this is my experience anyways. I can't actually find documentation saying that you can use older versions, but I've done it frequently when working in other studios and bringing my own ilok with me. Cheers!

[@tonypguitar]

@@malcomowenflood thank you Malcolm for your support and shedding some light on the situation! It was from a two year old video from some guy I checked out that the possibility could be there that you could buy two licenses and then activate that one in the future . Maybe he really didn’t know either . But what’s stopping you from buying goods? Also, I didn’t know that they offered perpetual licenses a couple years ago and took them away again. Happy new year brother and I will keep checking out your videos!

[@anthonyaleman9938]

I have a perpetual license from 2018 and did updates almost every year, so my question is when the update expires, Do I stay on the latest version I updated to, or back to the original 2018? Thanks in advance..

[@malcomowenflood]

Good question! You'll retain whatever Pro Tools version you updated to as long they were gained via your Pro Tools Perpetual Licenses support plan and not via the subscription model (which would only temporarily grant you access to a newer version of Pro Tools. For example, I currently am using Pro Tools 2023. If I subscribed today, I could download and use Pro Tools 2024, but would not have access to it once my subscription ended - since I only have perpetual access to PT 2023. However, if my active support plan from my perpetual license got me Pro Tools 2024, I would be in luck and have perpetual access to it. Hope that helps!

[@the_ginger_drummer]

im really confused. the perpetual licenses run for about the same as the subscription costs for one year. I get that there's additional benefits but what is really the point of spending what is essentially one perpetual license per year for a service you can get forever for the price of one year along with just buying the plugins. it 100% saves money in the long run to go perpetual. maybe I'm missing something but I see no point of getting the subscription other than having more money than you know what to do with.

[@malcomowenflood]

I think you may be confusing the Pro Tools "perpetual upgrade" price with a brand new Pro Tools perpetual price (which is about 3x the cost). Avid / Pro Tools made it a little confusing honestly, but I have a video all about that if you want some clarification! kzbin.info/www/bejne/n33Iga2riL-tnNE

[@wowzerbro6180]

Question is does it crash a lot?

[@malcomowenflood]

More than I'd like if I'm honest!

[@bnzo9320]

I just changed my Mac . I had Pro tools perpetual plan version 12.8 on my macbook . Now I want to have my protools on my new Mac Studio but is not compatible with this version of OS . What can I do to have it run without having to pay a new pro tools ?? Please help me ! Thankssss

[@malcomowenflood]

Unfortunately I think Pro Tools 12.8 is just too old to be able to run on a m1 or newer silicon Mac - so you will have to update to a more recent version of Pro Tools to be able to use it on a modern Mac Studio! Your options, as far as I can find with my research, are either purchase a perpetual upgrade plan or grab a subscription. Both will get you current to the latest version of Pro Tools. Sorry I don’t have better news, but at least there are some good new features in store for you if you do update!

[@malcomowenflood]

What’s the better Pro Tools deal to you? Subscription or Perpetual?

[@karimperez5890]

I have a question, I’m a novy in the world of production so my question is I want to have protools on my main computer my IMac that I want to set up in my studio but also I want to have protools on MacBook when I’m traveling I can still work on my projects so do I have to get 2 different licenses for each protools because is a lot of money either version or I can use 1 licenses for both computer as I never use them at the same time, so I don’t know if is a silly question but is a lot of money to get 2 licenses.

[@malcomowenflood]

Hey there! Great question! You only need one Pro Tools license! I work at different studios regularly and just bring my iLok along with me, and it’s no problem! I keep my pro tools sessions on an external hard drive and that travels with me too! The only thing to keep in mind is the version of Pro Tools - if you had an old version license of pro tools, (let’s say pro tools 12) and then had Pro Tools 2023 installed on a M3 Mac Studio, your Pro Tools 12 license wouldn’t be able to run the newer version of Pro Tools. But easy solution: just install the version of Pro Tools that you own on that device and you’re good to go! (Only time that wouldn’t work is if the version of pro tools is too old to work with that computer) Hope this helps!

[@jannybravo8429]

It's better to buy perpetual especially for the long run

[@malcomowenflood]

I personally also like the Pro Tools Perpetual option (mostly due to hating thinking about subscription charges) but after doing the math on the break even point of a pro tools subscription to perpetual, I’m a little less sure now! I tend to upgrade more often then every 4 years! In either case, I’m glad Avid and Tools have decided to let the users decide what’s best for themselves!

[@splitsecondmusic7144]

I messed up a bit on this... I initially owned a perpetual licence, and I owned that version of protools for 5 and a half years. At the time I wasn't aware I could pay to upgrade pro tools so I decided to buy a subscription. I didn't realise that purchasing a subscription meant I had to relinquish my perpetual licence, shortly after peotools stopped selling the perpetual licence and went completely subscription based. Also, my protools subscription went from $10 to $29.99 a month, almost like they put me on ultimate. All this to say I miss owning a perpetual licence, and once this subscription ends, I think I'll buy my licence once more.

[@malcomowenflood]

I’d encourage you to sign in to your avid account and double check that you don’t still have your perpetual license (for that now older version of Pro Tools)! Subscribing typically shouldn’t cause you to forfeit your perpetual pro tools license and your old license should still be sitting there. If it’s recent enough, you may be able to upgrade it to a more recent perpetual version of PT at the discount upgrade price! It just requires a perpetual license of Pro Tools 9 or later. Hope this helps and thank you for watching and commenting eh!

[@CustomerServiceCorrespondence]

Good stuff. I see subscribing will allow user to keep legacy PT license. But will buying a new perpetual for silicon force me to forfeit my pt 10/11 license?

[@malcomowenflood]

@@CustomerServiceCorrespondence not in my experience! I still have all my old perpetual pro tools licenses available to me. Back to Pro Tools 7 when I first bought i think!

[@CustomerServiceCorrespondence]

@@malcomowenfloodAppreciate the reply! It indeed is no problem to get any PT update and retain licenses as long as one doesn’t use the 10, 11, 12 upgrade pricing via a reseller. Thanks for being one of the first to confirm. I’ve separated ilok accounts for my home and commercial studios and used upgrade, crossgrade, and amnesties to move up from over the last 15 years for home… but have been hanging on to this 10 + 11 bundle license for legacy sessions and album masters that can come in extremely handy and didn’t want to part with that. The upgrade option got lost a bit in the sub v perp discussion once reintroduced but is a viable option for some at its reduced pricing. I’m going with a sub for home and will continue perpetual in commercial. Your quick breakdown is fantastic!

[@RENANPENEDO]

Quick question... In terms of subscriptions, you see the annual option same thing as monthly one...?

[@malcomowenflood]

As of right now, it seems that Pro Tools offers to perks for paying annually for a subscription over monthly: you get a discount on the annual plan (17% discount on Pro Tools Studio and 33% discount on Pro Tools Ultimate) and you also get the "Pro Tools Inner Circle Rewards" which is essentially a bunch of free plugins and some education resources that are included with the subscription. So Avid/Pro Tools is definitely incentivizing the annual subscription option!

[@kross202020]

Just got a new Mac mini and tried downloading Pro Tools 12 and no dice. I own the perpetual license. Know of any way to get PT12 to work on Sonoma?

[@malcomowenflood]

Hey there! Have you tried running Pro Tools in Rosetta mode? I’m betting it’s an Apple Silicon issue since only newer versions of Pro Tools are supported with M1 and newer chips. Worth a shot! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnjVpquud5p7adUsi=oX9OFbpPjX0Wysfh

[@anthonyaguilar7807]

I have the same , 003, I just bought another upgrade computer (2015) mine old one was a 2004 , well will protools 11 will still work my 003 digi , ? Thanks anyone who can help me

[@malcomowenflood]

Hard to find a lot of information on this, but I "think" the 003 will work with Pro Tools 11 - but please try reaching out to Avid / Pro Tools sales support to see if they can verify for you! Another consideration, is if your computer and the 003 are compatible too, so be sure to test that too!

[@biggoat4535]

If I record on pro tools 10HD can I send my music out to get mix down in other pro tools

[@malcomowenflood]

Absolutely! Most mixers tend to prefer to be send exported and consolidated WAV files, rather than the entire pro tools session (which means your mixer can work in any DAW, not just Pro Tools!) Chat with the mixer you're hiring and they will advise you on how they need the audio files prepared and delivered for them to mix it for ya!

[@YoungForeignAli]

Updates Should Be Free Logic Gets Free Updates Like I Don’t Get It ! 😪

[@malcomowenflood]

I'm actually personally not opposed to some paid updates (after a reasonable amount of time passing). I understand that continued development costs audio tech companies like Avid huge amounts of money, and ultimately I do want them to continue to exist, offer improved technology, and potentially even create future technologies! But I do think the one year time frame that Avid offers with Pro Tools is too short, and that the upgrade price is on the higher side. The features being added each year don't really justify it enough for me, personally.

[@YoungForeignAli]

@@malcomowenflood $200 a year is crazy I use pro tools I might switch to logic

[@sadelili]

İf you are living in a severe economical issued countries like Türkiye , get a perpetual ofcourse, each year the USD is getting high as double triple and so on…

[@malcomowenflood]

This is a fantastic point that I hadn’t considered!

[@Hdhdb-vl5up]

Avid will not support my version of pro tools. So perpetual license, does not mean forever. It doesn’t even mean 10 years

[@malcomowenflood]

Unfortunately perpetual only means that you own that pro tools license forever - not that avid (or your computers operating system for that matter) will offer support for it. So regardless to if you own a license, the tools we use to run that version of Pro Tools can still outgrow our license. Many larger studios still run older Mac Pro Towers for this reason - if they update their computers they’d have to update their Pro Tools licenses (and potentially their recording interfaces), and if they update their Pro Tools license, they’d have to update their computers. Not an inexpensive step for anyone to make!

[@876Plug]

in other words pro tools is a rip off, tryna trap music producers for life, purchase perpetual license and still they forcing you to pay for a update if your new pc need it for pro tools to work right, i don't think we need anymore new plugins from avid for them to keep charging people for update all because they choose to make some need plugin, they have so many version of pro tools that its confusing

[@davidcache]

Protools does nothing other DAWs cant do. Honestly, the writings on the wall, protools is a sinking ship