Douser Dualies Is What Jet Squelcher Should Be

[@adrianoctavio]

I love how that area cup match was so endemic of all of s2's problems that we're STILL using that clip 2 years later

[@SALTYTOAD00]

That match makes me appreciate how balanced Splatoon 3's meta is in comparison. Yes, it's not perfect, but at least there's variety in the weapons, and people aren't running quad shooters like they were in 2.

[@sonicrunn3r895]

⁠@@SALTYTOAD00I think what's more important as a lesson for this is that in S2 overall specials that required getting close or being aggressive were extremely weak or required heavy support to work (such as S2's inkjet using armour to not just die in the air + have more chances to deal with 1 sub bomb defence players), and specials that allowed spamming from a distance were strong. Meanwhile in S3, wail and missiles aren’t that strong and even though crab technically fits the mold, it leaves a lot of skill expression for aggro plays. And while there is room for improvement still on some aggressive specials (reefslider and stamp), we have TSD, zipcaster and more strong aggro specials.

[@joltstorm64]

when you at the splatoon 2 late game discussion and they pull up with the area cup 69

[@vain4450]

hell yeah mustard dousers commentary

[@flz_5848]

I wish somebody could believe in me as much as ProChara believes in Zipcaster backlines 😭

[@aronspiker72]

Tbf Jet is one of the few backlines without any charging mechanic as it's just a shooter, while Liter wouldn't work because of the midair charge speed nerf, plus Jet doesn't have that much jump rng to begin with so intensify action would mitigate said rng with just 1 or 2 subs

[@TheLaXandro]

@@aronspiker72 you only get jump RNG if you actually jump. Things like dropping off ledges or, indeed, zipcasting don't actually change your accuracy. You don't really see it because in their infinite wisdom the only shooter-like with Zips are Tetras and their accuracy without rolling is Aerospray-tier regardless. But on the other hand, Zipcaster Jet would lowkey just be easymode Zipcaster Stamper.

[@ProChara]

Zip liter was always a for fun thing this is the only one I actually belive in.

[@riley1099]

​@@ProCharaI'm still believing in a explo with beakon and zip, it would be so cool and fun

[@Spacewizard9]

@@ProChara I defiantly think the potensial of the zipcaster on different weapons should be explored.

[@frigglefry_]

As soon as Chara started talking about the Jet squelcher in Splat 2, I was like: "He's gonna show the clip"

[@Spacewizard9]

I swear I've seen that clip way too many times.

[@cheesebslls6203]

chara's editor's music tastes is so peak

[@InklingB617]

I agree... they must be excited about the Marvel VS Capcom game coming to switch

[@kado-2323]

⁠@@InklingB617 I’m excited for it too. Time to learn how to do an infinite!

[@zanpakutoman4225]

@@kado-2323 LIGHT! Punch!

[@Neoxon619]

@@zanpakutoman4225 Medium Punch!

[@kado-2323]

@@Neoxon619 *_HEAVY_* PUNCH!

[@SeafooSPL]

I recently started watching some of your older videos and the editing has improved so much over time. Props to Logi.

[@Cornyone]

Another fake backline is the vWellstring, I find that as well as it can be used as a backline its also possible to use it aggro with its kit and the surprising ease with oneshotting.

[@IceKingRoxas]

Okay, you are absolutely right about this. This is honestly how I use wellspring myself.

[@janmoon493]

holy shit right off the bat the editing already looks immaculate gahd dang

[@verrrrrmichelle]

as someone mentioned in the comments its kinda funny how dousers took the dualie squelchers spot in being... well, the dualies of squelcher please nintendo... do something with them... 😭

[@adorabunny2538]

I'm almost pretty sure Nintendo are so afraid of S2 DS being back that they ignored it until the dust settled, not knowing that the only reason why S2 DS was more picked than the others is because it's the only Dualies that can actually fight against other weapons in a game where MPU is a thing

[@Neon_Streets]

>adapt one of your older weapons into one of the coolest ever added >give it an extremely fun and synergistic kit >gets used a lot in comp >better nerf it into the ground >new game comes out, don’t want a repeat of last time >CDS is 210p Brilliant strategy Nintendo, thanks for making one of my favourite weapons feel unsatisfying to play and leave it to rot in this game…

[@Cronix-m4r]

Honestly, I really want douser to get either a paint buff or an ink efficiency buff in turret mode. Jet squelcher just needs a kit.

[@naocaat]

the mvc music is primo, marvel is so back

[@zanpakutoman4225]

Editor saw the recent direct and must've been like "MAHVEL, BAYBEE!!!".

[@Blaze-nm1uh]

@@zanpakutoman4225yo I love Mahvel

[@nathaniel4634]

I really liked this style of video and would like to see more breakdowns of what makes certain weapons cool (Reef-Lux video please?) One thing I’m curious about, though, is if there’s a good way to make backlines centered around paint (Pencil, Jet Squelcher) feel fun and satisfying to play with and against?

[@tencoth]

Well, someone’s editor is excited for the MVC collection.

[@Renulph]

Editor went hard with the musical timing.

[@Seven-9090]

Custom douser dualies are my dream weapon. Being able to play passive and helpful while also being aggressive if needed. Having a long range special and everything, I played hero dualies in S2 and it’s similar, probably not in actual play style, but still.

[@SuspiciousTemmie]

3:34 This edit was way funnier than it had any right to be

[@magic3734]

Video 79 of commenting on Chara videos till brella is good

[@Olavi_VLIi.47]

I wish I were as patient as you

[@magic3734]

@@Olavi_VLIi.47 I'm very :)

[@Ballistic2770]

Tent is good…

[@TheLaXandro]

Tent is arguably top tier, and consistently so ever since its shield was buffed to launch quicker way back in 2. Even when it doesn't have kits, it just does what nothing else does.

[@thebigtomato0597]

@@TheLaXandro tent is 1 out of 4 brellas that is worth using often. that frections needs to be increased

[@JesusElLobito_]

0:25 omg its the silly ‼️

[@MrSyndiKit]

A lot of mvc2 music in this video, I’m guessing the editor is excited for the collection?

[@zombeeCAL]

that intro is so cool the 4 boxes thing it's super creative

[@micahzeringue984]

3:24 hilarious edit 😂

[@CrushedLollipops]

Zip on jet squelcher would be amazing but it would need like a main of intensify lmao

[@Neoxon619]

I see Logi is also excited for Mahvel being back.

[@lieutenantpepper3421]

I see someone's excited for Marvel.

[@phoenixandy]

While it would be nice to have a splat 1 jet squelcher kit, I’m personally a big fan of cjet. People hate on mist bc it’s not that good, but the thing is that it’s actually very good on the right weapons. Cjet is just straight up area denial, and mist helps you take fights that you might not be sure that you’d win. Storm also pairs well with it, as jet is ink hungry and storm not only provides a free tank refill but also allows jet to combo with it and control space even better. The weapon may not be considered very good, but as a splat 2 vjet player, damn is the kit fun. Would def recommend giving cjet a shot 👍 Nah but screw splat 3 vjet I hate angle shooter and vac forces you into bad situations boo I don’t like that weapon (I 4 star-ed it) 😡

[@gamefreakDX]

I'm guessing the editor is also excited about the MvC Fighting Collection. All the songs this video, are from MvC2, which I have zero complaints about.

[@EchoSynthesis]

7:52 This edit is SO safisfying

[@im_stupid8988]

THE EDITING IS SO GOOD??? Anyways I agree with all of your points, luv ur vids ProChara! 👍

[@renamamiya2279]

0:01 Look! A wild AnemoneNo1 is dancing! :D

[@salsatuna177]

Logi needs some serious appreciation holy shit this videos editing and music slapped so hard

[@variousunicycles]

I just started maining custom dousers a while back and OMG ITS SO FUN - the long range version is really fun and the short range version SHREDS!!!! the versatility of the weapon is so cool!

[@Swift_Wings]

Fuck I love your videos

[@clappytriofan2098]

Good choice of music given the recent news!

[@aronspiker72]

I went into Sizzle season expecting to use Custom Dousers only if they had inkjet as I did not enjoy the 1st kit at all in the previous season, but *wow!* This new kit works so well that it made me realize how terrible that original kit was and how it gave me wrong information abiut the main weapon. °It's similar to how you think you hated a subject in school, but watching a video or reading an article years later made you really you just had a teacher that was absurdly bad at their job that you didn't realize how cool or enjoyable the subject was° °Paraphrased from WhyDo when he was describing how the training mode in Smash Ultimate ruined people's passion for learning the game while SF6's training mode makes learning the game alot more fun

[@lies_zip_80085]

This is great video chara, (also love the editing logi!) you've put thoughts i didnt know i had into words.

[@TCEvie]

genuinely surprised double ballpoint wasn't mentioned in the double anchor section. it wasn't a super common pick at all but it was still one that got a significant result at the start of jet meta

[@theonewhodoesrants]

MvC music 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@spacedjace57]

Wonder if this was edited after the direct with all the mvc music

[@acer1kylesf943]

if dousers is jet squelcher, what's dualie squelchers?

[@verrrrrmichelle]

an underdeveloped child of jet squelcher and dualies class fly high 😔

[@SALTYTOAD00]

Splatershot Nova?

[@TheLaXandro]

If only there was a weapon that they directly descended from.

[@fensi_]

The moment Chara revealed zip caster was so dramatic and cool I shivered.

[@beaumeow]

editing on this video is actually so awesome!

[@StampMan1023]

I think a jet with zip and a crap ton of IA would be a really fun kit

[@MattisticStatistic]

CDousers should've had Inkjet. Tri-Strike might be good for comp in it's own way, but I feel like Inkjet would've enabled this weapon to play way more aggressively.

[@Veckle]

I have a teammate that has been a range blaster player his whole Splatoon career. Then dousers came out… he’s very conflicted about what weapon to play this season

[@Zushi_hedgehog]

You called heavy edit splatling heavy splatling like 3 times in a row and it's making me angry

[@your.mandan]

Love these video essay style of videos, very interesting thoughts and made me reconsider some comp stuff

[@GamesAndAnimes]

It's confirmed, ProChara change his channel to a MvC2 channel, if Marvel and Capcom Fighting Collection get release. 😉

[@melody3741]

Its hilarious you just posted this because I was squelch dualie main and just unlocked dousers and actually tested them and was then so fucking confused why squelchers even exist (though the jumping and moving after shooting is very cool)

[@tarosykes]

Dual Squelchers exist as a more consistent midrange option, they aren't anchors lol

[@peepeepoopoo-q8t]

good yap, good editing. Another Chara banger

[@xDokeyx]

I love the little camera shots with VeronIKA, and occasionally Hiro!

[@peepithink4318]

woah why has the editing and music gotten so good recently!?

[@agentblackbird9435]

I need to play Dousers more, considering I already like the weapons in that range (Jet, Squeezer, .96), and I’m a big of the mid-long range supports and support/slayer hybrids I just have to get used to them more as a main weapon, not really big on Dualies outside of Gloogas and rolling is so important on that weapon Side note on Jet, you mentioning the vanilla Jet being fun in 3 is what made me finally appreciate Jet in this series. And I hope we get a Jet with Bubble or Inkjet, that sounds so fun to me!

[@CJ_idiot]

i got clipped at the beginning bro 😭😭😭

[@jakekentner2653]

There is no way jet squelcher will get a third kit.

[@brandonight0645]

Yeah, and there's no way that a Jet squelcher can get the spiderman special

[@-xxdodoxx66-37]

Stamper got its kit stolen here lmao

[@Its_Just_Cam]

Video 3 of commenting until pencil gets nerfed (besides points for special)

[@SALTYTOAD00]

I absolutely agree with the paint issue for Douser Dualies. Most Douser builds have Special Charge Up just because the paint on the weapon is pretty bad, and it has a 200p Special for both kits.

[@frogmouth2]

Chara’s game room

[@Gabe12421]

Although I love the idea of zipcaster in place of kraken I would just want burst kraken back because I just have a bit of a bias for kraken but if we got zipcaster I would not complain 😂

[@TheLaXandro]

I wouldn't say that Marker is just a weaker Burst. I mean, in most cases it is (compensated by the fact that all but one Marker weapons love any chip damage), but for Jet in particular (and also RBPD) it's arguably better than Burst, because it can hit at long range uninvested. Burst Bomb Jet could fight up close on par with small guns and could fight at backline range, but not both at once, while Marker Jet brings immediate frontline firepower to backline range. You used to have to stick pures of Special Power Up to do that, and you didn't even get the immediacy of Marker because Burst is a rather slow projectile. Marker Jet is not just "fake backline", it's outright the best anti-backline in the game- at least as far as main and sub combo goes, because Vac goes completely contary to everything the main stands for. Zipcaster Jet is just... Vanilla Stamper. But even stronger. Funny how that happens.

[@hashbrown_tf2]

Are there ANY weapons that would actually benefit from having angle shooter as their sub?

[@SALTYTOAD00]

No because Burst Bomb is just a better Angle Shooter.

[@hashbrown_tf2]

@@SALTYTOAD00Exactly lol

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

I like playing lame jet squelcher. I like having the boring but easy and effective job on the team. I really can’t afford to play this game as much as others do, and like handling the boring stuff so that my team can focus on the fun stuff. I wanna be the bass player playing one note the whole song, and S2 jet squelcher gave me that.

[@poncy4357]

So burst bomb and zipcaster for a jet squelcher kit... i like it, where's the petition to add this in the game?

[@Andre-zz4hv]

This beginning about roles is something I always talk about We have 4 Roles and not 5, we have Anchors, Supports, Slayers and Skirmishers and EVERYONE NEEDS TO PLAY FLEX

[@dannyiskandar_z6535]

I still think dousers needs a bit of buffs that helps it with its pseudo backline playstyle. I hate how this thing is 25.5 DMG when compared to other dualies... It struggles with fall off just like how gloogas did a few patches ago and it's kill time DURING normal fire feels underwhelming. Imo I think giving it 28 DMG (just like dualie squelcher & tetra) should help it keep up in terms of backline capability. Sure burst bomb combos seem easier but I think that's fair enough considering it has a rather frustrating amount of RNG in normal fire ( I 5 starred Custom douser and this came from my experiences with the weapon)

[@crashur3600]

I do agree with the Dousers being versatile. However, I don't agree with the conclusion that they aren't a backline. I think there's a difference between versatile backlines and false backlines. False backlines are weapons with backline range, but they have a particular set of strengths and weaknesses that make them adapt the playstyle of a mid-line. Several false backlines can even be inefficient when fighting at long range. Some false backlines are Bamboozler, Squeezer, and Splatana Stamper. Versatile backlines are similar, but they have something that tethers them to the role of a backline. I think the singular, unruly dodge-roll tethers the Douser Dualies to the roll of the backline. Now, versatile backlines don't always stick to the role of a backline throughout a match, just like a false backline doesn't always have to play the mid or frontline role throughout a match. They can both adjust for certain scenarios, just kinda in reverse of each other. PS: I think not all anchor weapons are backlines, but all backlines are anchor weapons.

[@implying8903]

I think the best designed jet squelcher kits would be the kits it already has. Dart has combos and gives away enemy locations for your team, vac is an aggressive support special with playmaking potential, mist doesn't paint for special and requires a follow-up to get value and Rain has a cooldown and lets you push in with your team. This weapon has 2 perfectly designed kits and everyone hates them

[@thesalamanderking3475]

I like the new Dousers. I miss the accuracy/consistency and range of my beloved Jet, but Dousers help soften the blow of the current kits. I was always the guy who ran 2 mains of Bomb Range on Cjet to plunk people halfway across the map, so it’s nice to have another weapon of this archetype to scratch that itch for me. As for a 3rd Jet kit, I’ve been wanting to see Burst Bomb and Wave Breaker since this game launched. As new seasons have released, however, I have found a new favorite special that I’d like to see on Jet: Super Chumps. I think Burst Bomb Super Chump Jet Squelcher is a match made in Heaven. The current Jet kits are unfortunate because they actually fit really well with the main weapon. The problem is that, no matter how well they work together, they are weak kits with weak subs and middling specials. If a 3rd Jet kit gets Zipcaster I will literally kms.

[@capgorski]

Long been a fan of toxic mist on the jet, but it takes FOREVER to splat with jet in this game. You need to shadow your slayers and offer support to get anything done. If you're playing solo and your slayer is trash, you better put on your big boy pants and get slaying yourself.

[@char0nspaws]

Random splatoon hot take: point sensor is actually useful with specific weapons. Location is really important on modes like tower and rainmaker in lower ranks, especially with sharking and stealth weapons, and Haunt/Thermal ink are not useful. Wave breaker is our only reliable location option besides missiles and maybe something im forgetting, and missiles are non spammable and pretty rare. I see the problems with this, but on weapons that dont need a lethal bomb that can do good damage i can see point sensor actually being viable. (Im no pro i just stay up too late at night)

[@toasture9119]

Still breathing pure hopium. Maybe, just maybe we’ll get 3rd kits :[

[@rfreh]

Pro Chara and everyone else watching this video. Which weapon is better: Carbon rollor deco or custom douser Dualies ff?

[@yogurt2924]

these and dapple dualies are my favorite dualies, and they're almost complete opposites. I also love jet squelcher.

[@ZipSweep]

Ok, hear me out, instead of Zipcaster we can give it Cooler instead? As someone whos been a diehard fan of Cjet in S1 and mained it in S2 solely because if burst bomb, i feel like Cooler would honestly be a healthier pick. Especially with how the meta is right now, it COULD create diversity over Pencil and theoretically can still have that same idea/theory you had in the video. I could be wrong, but i feel like as someone whos been copinv a little too hard for Jetsquelcher for a 3rd kit and if it werent to be burst/kraken, i feel like Cooler would be the 2nd best special for it outside of Zipcaster. I see the vision tho, for sure.

[@kristiankalinic2663]

splatoon 4 ability idea: reworked special charge up, reworked special power up and special saver scu: gain special faster but makes them less powerfull and you loose more on death spu: more powerfull special but it takes longer to charge and loose more on death s.saver: rock paper scissors. you get it. they don't fully cancel each other out. having a mix makes you have more specials that are also stronger and loose less on death. in other words you could also choose to spam weak specials or have a special be more effective once you use it. optionally you could also have your panic special ready for when you need it easier.

[@jakekentner2653]

Jet Squelcher would need to have perfect accuracy for this.

[@Polmo1997]

I actually like Angle Shooter on Jet. Also this video actually made me realize why I like this weapons class, it's not because it's a backline, but because can be an Hybrid, like Heavy Edit and i feel like 96 Gal too

[@desmondruhling]

honestly i didn't like the first douser kit (it's just kinda boring) but with the second kit I can finally see the vision they had for the weapon and I love it! it sucks that jet squelcher had to get... just extremely mid kits in this game, but I'm glad douser with burst bomb exists and is fun also, I absolutely love the idea of zipcaster on jet squelcher... it has so much range and it would be able to evade people at a safe distance, which is super cool!

[@nickg5341]

I still wish they gave it a more interesting special. Tristrike does a similar thing to wail. Something like Kraken or even Screen would have complemented the weapon much better.

[@yurareigiryu]

I don't know what they can do with dart. If you reduce the ink, then it becomes spam at charger range, if you increase the damage, then it's a frame 1 bomb. It needs to be more impactful outside of a direct hit.

[@Neon_Streets]

I think if they were to buff dousers standard fire paint by something like 5-8% it would be perfect. As it is now with the slow fire rate it can be a little annoying trying to paint over a specific spot

[@pastaman7278]

unlike overwatch, Splatoon 3 is an actually good game

[@a-j-o-l-o-t-3]

The problem is they are giving good kits for the new weapns and that makes some of them irrelevant. This is a really ood example and FF made Jet very irelevant and I hate that weapons feel like that or like they are not different enough. Sblast stole the burst bomb from Range and I hated that so much xd. Still, they really did wrong on the choices for subs in this game... some of them feel terrible.

[@casjuice_]

i never really realised how fun dousers were to play until it got its 2nd kit, i zoned-out and 3-stared it on day 1 in one sitting just learning how to use it with its new kit and it felt so fun to use, being able to mix poking at a distance and getting quick close-up kills

[@ValkoinenD.Drauxovian]

Jet with zip would oddly be a drem of mine. Then again i have all the zipcaster weapons 4 starred (trying to 5 star them) but jet would be extremely fun to use.

[@Duckslack]

Chara for A bid ai think u should now do something that u did for S2 with is the most important part of this game and gameplay style and also explaining how😊

[@Guccibear100]

Wellstring is midline, you cant change my mind. I only fully charge it when I'm on high ground.

[@2spice2spicy]

It's funny how Dousers ended up being what Dualie Squelchers was meant to be 💀

[@Big_Man-taro]

What sucks is that the vjet kit of angle shooter ink vac works great for it conceptually, but the individual parts are so weak that it just feels kinda useless

[@LilE]

I thought I would like the DD since I do play Jet a lot but it just aint for me. Probably just because I'm not a fan of rolling.

[@slyllamademon2652]

For those that like tri strike as a special, you can delete anything in a line ahead of you if you do this: first beacon goes in a high arc, next is a few degrees lower, and the last one even lower. This in theory will have all 3 land at the same time which will force anything there to move or die.

[@glasssawsslipperstraws7410]

I'm not a comp player by any means but i have come to love jet squelcher and even marker somewhat. Base jet squelcher is my main in 3 and i love it so much.

[@gideonlastnamenotfound1578]

Any splatoon game becomes instantly better when jet is an actual fun and healthy weapon for the meta.

[@linusboateng3577]

pls keep doing these weapon analysis videos these are amaxing

[@fishyfriend710]

Jet Squelch but fun and actually has to do something

[@chamadaflamers4174]

Dousers are more similar to jet squelcher than dualie squelchers 😭

[@soulsquid_yt]

Hello prochara I use Dousers all lot tho but thank u to believe in the weapon and btw I love your videos 😊

[@waddledeecrasher6396]

Lamo add kraken to squelcher like part 1

[@5hark906]

I just want marker to be fun and decent.....

[@Neo-Agent3]

Why is my friend here again😭😭😭 i saw their user