Procreate Dreams after 2 weeks... overhyped?

[@jason_swet]

🎉 iPad Accessories Giveaway 🛑 CLOSED 🛑 Winners have been contacted. - Celebrating 50K subscribers - The launch of Procreate Dreams - And my tired raspy throat… Giveaway is over but you’re welcome to share your thoughts still though! I appreciate all the support. This was just a small thing with a few freebies I had collecting dust in the closet. Maybe we can do more in the future!

[@GeahkBurchill]

How do you feel about someone who has a 2017 iPad Pro but I’m hoping to upgrade early next year to an M1 (or maybe M2 if I can swing it)?

[@Kentarius]

Congrats on 50k🎉 I don’t have a opinion dreams yet. Once I get done designing things for my Etsy shop I will check it out.

[@visionpersistance]

I’m a New Yorker….. is this a film clip of Central Park West ?

[@visionpersistance]

Oh. Indeed, it was?

[@jason_swet]

@@visionpersistance sure is! Technically Riverside drive. But same area!

[@coopidydoopidy]

You nailed it, idk why everything is so HIDDEN. I guess it’s in the name of minimalism and tidiness but it just turned out weird and inconvenient…always rooting for the app and the team though!

[@jason_swet]

Inconvenient is the perfect word for it, Cooper! I’m rooting for them too though. I think they’ll get there.

[@xXprettyxkittyXx]

This was m feeling about Procreate when it first came out. My hope is that they eventually learn from the mistakes, again, and do some updates over the years that make it easier to use.

[@ian5629]

The reason why almost everything is hidden is i suppose it is an ipad app. If you expect tools to be displayed on screen, you maybe looking into desktop applications.

[@jason_swet]

@@ian5629 I do plenty of both. Previous iPad app UI design has shown there’s a balance that can be reached.

[@PumpkinPails]

It was definitely over-hyped and delivered under cooked. I played with it for a few days and when I realized there was no way to move layers or lasso selections I went back to playing with ToonSquid. Their UI decisions make no sense, and it's only major strength right now is the performance feature. That said, I think they'll work it out and deliver what they promised, it's just a pain that we'll be sitting here waiting for who knows how long. I most likely won't be using it until lasso selection and the ability to rearrange layers in drawing mode is added because like you I don't enjoy the process of flipping back and forth between Procreate and Dreams.

[@jason_swet]

100% the flip book almost feels sticky or something. Like it’s hard to gauge the movement of the animation because the movement of the flip book is so sluggish.

[@drawingcircles7133]

Procreate dreams has quite the learning curve, but once i got passed some of the learning hurdles it really became something fun to create with. There still are a few bugs to contend with, but for the most part they only provide minimal hindrance. Personally, the main things I would like to see in future updates is the shape tool, selection tool in the drawing mode, and a replace clip option.

[@jason_swet]

Oooo replace clip would be awesome! 💯

[@inknpaintCW]

I am liking it and I only see a few barriers to me loving Procreate Dreams. My go-to app for quick animation is Moho Pro and there are a few features I'd love to see here. I would like to see: - vector tools with the ability to control line width after the fact (Moho Pro) - A bone style rigging system with IK/FK and some level of dynamics (Moho Pro) - layer menus like procreate - alpha, clipping, reference, etc - the same drawing tools for making clean shapes from procreate( ellipse, curve, straight lines, etc) - Selection and manipulation tools from Procreate (select, inverse, flip, fill, etc) Been animating in Moho Pro for years, have used Harmony, Blender, C4D, ToonSquid, Calipeg, TVPaint, Flash, Adobe Animate, and more - but I still like this app a lot! Been working on simple bumpers for a documentary series as of late and looking forward to further improvement!

[@jason_swet]

Dang I gotta check out Moho pro! I agree, I’m hoping that if they fix a few things and figure out some solutions to the barriers you mentioned, I’ll quickly go from liking it to loving it.

[@SuperSlappinPancakes]

While I agree there’s a lot of room for growth for Dreams, I don’t think it was overhyped, I think expectations were probably just a little unreasonable on our part. I was an early adopter of Procreate back in the day and it was a far cry from where that app is now. Give them time and I fully believe it will be everything people were hoping for, much like Procreate is now. I am just waiting for some of the features in Dreams to carry back over to Procreate “infinite layers”! Great video.

[@jason_swet]

Staying optimistic! Yeah infinite layers, infinite canvas, etc

[@mysteriousocean6198]

@@jason_swetm planning to start procreate dreams instead of procreate its worth or should i go with procreate ?..

[@smullis7]

Agree that what features there are tend to be hidden and a lot of what I consider to be critical drawing features (select, customizing individual brushes, moving layers to name a few) features, that they could have ported from Procreate, are missing. The ‘drag to expand’ frames is clunky. I also agree that feature are hidden behind strange places, e.g. clicking on the time code to activate onion skins. Good honest review here. Thanks.

[@jason_swet]

thank you! yeah i didnt even get into the clunkiness of 'drag to expand' stuff. totally agree. any time you have to hold and wait for a menu/action to pop up they are wasting our precious time haha.

[@michaelreadnower4424]

one thing I have found frustrating is not being able to hold to draw straight lines and more precise shapes and curves. I also was frustrated how whenever i drew a new drawing that it would fill the whole timeline instead of a single frame. I see they have already changed it so when you draw it is a single frame now so that's awesome. I could really use the glove if I win the giveaway!! thanks homie for sharing your thoughts on this. I think it will grow like procreate so I am excited to see the updates rolling

[@jason_swet]

I agree with every single thing you said haha Totally forgot to mention how frustrating it is to not have hold-to-draw-a-perfect-shape. Need that bad!

[@visionpersistance]

Wow! Savage Interactive needs to include this!

[@art4anj]

THAT frame adjustment that's hidden is already helpful. It was a bit frustrating moving them one by one without grouping. Although I'm surprised how powerful it is and the no lag playback ❤

[@jason_swet]

Totally no lag is pretty crazy when you consider animation and editing programs on a computer

[@art4anj]

@@jason_swet ABSOLUTELY!! 🔥

[@luckamooey]

I don't use touch gestures in Procreate Drawing, so having certain actions in Dreams dependant on it has been an annoying learning curve. I also find its far too sensitive and global for the undo/redo. I like Dreams, but it'll probably be way better in a year or two.

[@jason_swet]

Same! I would prefer not using touch gestures at all. Except navigating timeline.

[@WeavingDreams-1122]

Procreate Dreams has potential!!! This is only the beginning!! I agree!!! I would love to be able to draw in Procreate Dreams just like I draw in procreate as well.

[@jason_swet]

Can’t wait to see what it’s like in a year or two from now!

[@WeavingDreams-1122]

@@jason_swet Same!!!!!! 🥳🙌🙌🙌

[@taylorlewis9464]

I totally agree, I'm excited to see where they take Dreams even though it still needs work. I'm still trying to figure out how/when to swap between it and regular procreate.

[@jason_swet]

Same! I was expecting to just never use regular Procreate ever again. But was so wrong. And it’s not like they even need our subscription dollars from both apps because it’s a one time purchase!

[@jason_swet]

Hey @taylorlewis9464! You won our little giveaway! 🎉 Send me your address at [e-mail] and I’ll get a package sent your way when I get back from the Holiday break.

[@S_is_for_Sean]

I agree. Having familiarized myself with procreate after years of use, I got use to certain features and had my own system or workflow. Jumping over to procreate dreams I find that there are certain hurdles that aren’t necessarily a make or break, but just a bump in the road in terms of streamlining the work. With that being said I still enjoy using the app and can see the potential it has. I am definitely looking forward to the future of procreate dreams!

[@jason_swet]

Just a bump in the road! Or a detour to some tutorials 😉

[@doodlingdebbie1]

You nailed it Jason. I’m just a novice animator ( only for fun) but, the frustrations take the fun away. I absolutely hate it when I group and it creates a new track. It takes time to remove those unwanted track. Also, I prefer the undo and redo button to be like the one in Procreate. Your frustrations are echoed by the mass. This being said, I can’t complain too much. It’s a great program and Procreate made it affordable for everyone. Heck, you can’t go to Starbucks 2 times for the price of a fun program like Procreate Dreams. I just want the frustration minimized. Bless you for doing this and allowing all of us to commiserate with you. Please keep these videos coming and sharing anything new you discover. You help so many. ❤

[@jason_swet]

Hahah you’re so right. It’s hard to complain when the app is 19.99 lol. But glad I’m not alone in a few of these trivial frustrations. 🤘

[@antares3030]

Toon squid is miles ahead of Dreams in terms of both features and usability, you should try it if it wasn't recommended yet. It's 2x cheaper, too I've been looking for years for an app that won't make me frustraded with animation process, Toon squid is pretty close to that, imo

[@IsaiahCardona]

I totally agree that they took the minimalism too far and ended up making the app not very intutive. In my opinion Procreate did a great job of finding a balance between minimalism and user experience. And Procreate has been my favorite drawing app and I have enjoyed making frame by frame animations in it. So I definitely went into Dreams expecting it to be easy to jump into and was really suprised by how similar elements in Dreams were extremely paired down. Definitely agree about the undo/redo and hiding the Settings and onion skins in unintuitive places. I think I was most disappointed by the drawing/flipbook mode. I was suprised that they didn't leverage a lot of elements from the original app's animation mode. And because of that I was originally using Procreate to make frame animation and then importing the project into Dreams to use the Keyframes and Performing. Now with the updates I have found myself doing a lot more of my animation and drawing in Dreams. I definitely believe that in time Dreams will be an awesome app to use. So i'm excited for the future.

[@jason_swet]

Yes! Agreed. They had so much great stuff in the original procreate that they could’ve leveraged for the flip book. Wish they would’ve built on those familiar things a bit more.

[@jason_swet]

Hey @IsaiahCardona! You won our little giveaway! 🎉 Send me your address at [e-mail] and I’ll get a package sent your way when I get back from the Holiday break.

[@ricochetdre]

There was so much that I related to in this video that I couldn’t put into word but it made me feel better to hear you say it. 1 thing I can’t wait to be fixed is the drawing mode entirely bc there’s one or two things that keep coming up making me frustrated and I know once the team works it out, people like me will love

[@jason_swet]

So glad you resonated with it! Yeah the drawing mode has a ways to go for sure.

[@MommasReviews1]

Shape snapping 😢. I’m reminded of how imperfect my lines and arcs are lol. I’m very much an amateur but you def pointed out some things where I’m like yeah, that would have made sense for them to have there. I wish there was just some sort of perk to have both apps, because I def want to see the versatility of Procreate in Dreams because it’s like to keep customers having both apps they’re holding out on us. I do appreciate their commitment to their customers and products though. Looking forward to what Dreams will become and seeing what creatives come up with!

[@jason_swet]

Completely agree. I’m also excited about the future. Already seeing creators sharing tips and workarounds and procreate updates are helping!

[@juanlugofitness]

4:22 is a hugeeee fix for me. Thanks so much

[@jason_swet]

Yay! You’re welcome!

[@TMC3000]

I couldn't agree more to your verdict and opinions about Prodreams…..i just feel that we are a bit too high on our expectations and desire to have a fully fleshed out animation tool that's comparable to the big names in the industry on an ipad, .…apps like toonbom, moho, animate cc, spine 2d, after effect, and others. My thoughts initially was that prodreams was short of its delivery of some tools mostly needed and their marketing making it look like its already perfect, .…but as time goes on, I began to realize that it's just the beginning and every other apps started like this with a loosed stage just enough for us to get an idea of what's coming up. I believe, giving it some time that prodreams will eventually takes its center stage of truly revolutionizing the animation industry as procreate did….all in all, time will tell! I like what you are doing, keep it up and I own an Ipad with its pencil…..just incase!😂 you've got a new subscriber!👍

[@yoan4152]

The mentality behind Dreams for iPad reminds me of the one for Dreams for Playstation

[@jason_swet]

🤘

[@AlphakamiSama]

I share most of your opinions about Dreams, but I'm not that bothered by the minimalism of the app. I got my Ipad a few months ago and I always wanted to dabble into animation but I was always turned off by the lack of tutorials of the apps that I liked ( Rough animator, Toonsquid). The big advantage of Dreams is that I can grow my understanding of animation with the app and the hype around it pushes a lot of creators like Alex Grigg, Michael Reith or Aaron Blaise to put out content that helps us beginners to learn the app at the same time as them. A lot of people have been asking for features from other animation apps but as I'm not already commited to an interface, I don't mind at all. But I definitely want some of the tools we have in Procreate in Dreams.

[@jason_swet]

That’s a great take. I totally see how the simplicity would be a lot more approachable for beginners. Even for pros, I’m sure some of the other more cluttered interfaces can be overwhelming. But yeah agree, there’s a bit of a balance. Or some education that needs to be more available.

[@LaurieSumiye]

stumbled across your video trying to learn Procreate Dreams. thank you for the explanation from the company of their design philosophy as the reason why it the UI is set up this way, but not super intuitive or easy to learn, as you noted. as a former UI designer, i can make appreciate that tack, and will try to embrace the tactile first iPad environment. thnx the tip on the timeline. keep up the good work!

[@jason_swet]

Thanks so much, Laurie! Really fun reading your comment from your UI background.

[@aaana3]

Thank you for the video - I am still debating if I should start learning it as I haven’t done much of the animation on Procreate itself. I will be hoping for the best - that Procreate Dreams will adjust according to the users feedback 😊

[@jason_swet]

I recommend trying some small animations on the regular procreate first 🤘

[@aaana3]

@@jason_swet yes - I am looking into it now :) I am usually using After Effects but since I am doing illustrations I wanted to give the "hand drawn" style a go - thank you for the advice :)

[@jason_swet]

@@aaana3 I also came from the world of after effects and surprisingly once i started doing hand-drawn cel animation, i have barely touched after effects in the last 4 years haha. I just love the look of it a lot better.

[@aaana3]

@@jason_swet sounds intriguing - it is actually what I needed - I bit of encouragement before investing my time into it - thank you!

[@mysteriousocean6198]

Helpful comments i also started my animation journey

[@MrMisuma]

I was hesitant in buying Procreate Dreams. I get easily overwhelmed and Dreams seemed almost like too much. At least for me. But I bought it a few weeks ago. With baby steps I’m getting more comfortable with the app. But without tutorials on KZbin, I would have been lost. I use the app on my old 2. generation iPad Pro and there are limitations because of that. I wish they would have been more honest/precise with these limitations. BUT. All in all, I am having fun with the app nonetheless.

[@jason_swet]

Yeah that’s a great perspective. Maybe if they would’ve added too many features form the start it could’ve been even more overwhelming. We can grow as the app grows!

[@TedMattos]

Thanks for the review, Jason. Do you have thoughts on ToonSquid? Any experience with it?

[@jason_swet]

Haven’t tried it yet but have heard lots of great things. My only hesitation is that at first glance, it looks similar to a desktop app ported to the iPad. I’m still holding out hope that the potential of Procreate Dreams will ultimately make the best experience built for the iPad.

[@moonrivers71]

ToonSquid is AWESOME. It was my Dreams before Dreams. You’d be surprised if you decided to give it a try.

[@jason_swet]

@@moonrivers71 sounds awesome!

[@saarbrook]

@@moonrivers71absolutely

[@Tonabillity]

For me, ToonSquid is the exact opposite of awesome. When I first began animating a music video everything was fine, but the more I animated, I guess the larger the file got. it eventually began slowing down and lagging like crazy. Especially when onionskin is engaged, it lags to the point where it becomes unworkable. I couldn’t wait for Dreams to launch, just to get back up to speed! I tried to convert my ToonSquid projects to videos that I could import into to Dreams, but whenever I tried to create a video file, ToonSquid crashed. Months of work gone to waste. Although Dreams is indeed frustrating to use at this point, I invite anyone to name ONE single app that launched WITHOUT bugs. All of the other animation apps have received YEARS of updating and still haven’t approached the eloquence of working in Dreams. What I love about Dreams is precisely what I love about Procreate. It feels just like a SKETCHBOOK. That’s how Artists learn to draw. For the first time in my life I’m able to study the subtleties of animation by sketching on my iPad. Just like it’s a digital sketchbook THAT ANIMATES!!✍🏽 That’s a MASSIVE Quantum Leap, because sketching DOESN’T feel like WORK, it feels like PLAY! And play has ALWAYS been the access to unparalleled breakthroughs! One of the things I love most, is Dreams ability to view frame by frames, by simply running an index finger horizontally through the timeline in full screen mode. It beats the daylights out of Toonsquid’s awkward 3 finger vertical timeline scrolling that feels so unnatural and counterintuitive. Speaking of intuitive I agree that Dreams currently feels challenging to learn how to navigate it. Hidden features and all. But that’s how I know that I am dealing with something UNPRECEDENTED and futuristic. I’m old enough to recall the iPhone, having the exact same crazy learning curve, But here it is years later, and every iPhone gesture is second nature.🤷🏾 As far as I’m concerned, dreams has the rest of our lives to perfect itself. I’m not judging it by how it performs right now, I’m excited about how fluid it will be in the future. No doubt years from now Animation will probably feel like magic! Performance mode ALREADY DOES!!💫

[@mrs.3199]

Im excited to try procreate dreams!! :)

[@lunaroccultist]

I've held out on getting dreams, until hopefully some of the issues you and other creators mentioned get addressed. In all honesty I need to continue learning and creating as I've only ever animated **very** lightly, and my drawing skills themself need to grow. I've only ever used procreates software for extended periods and dabled with some other stuff so I feel most comfortable with procreate stuff so I'll ultimately end up getting dreams probably in a week or two, to just get a feel for everything myself since I think I've held out for long enough to get past the initial issues?

[@jason_swet]

Yeah that seems like the way to go. You can honestly do so much with just Procreate. I’ve been animating in procreate for a while and it’s great for learning because it’s simple. Let’s you focus more on the drawing

[@GarredHATES]

Pressure curve was a big one I asked for, I need my S curve. Now we just need quick shape and transform

[@jason_swet]

I actually just heard today that procreate Dreams is built on an entirely new engine from regular procreate. So I guess that’s why a lot of the drawing features are still being built from scratch. I also need that quick shape! Can’t draw a circle to save my life!

[@UnionofBlackArtistsSociety]

I love learning how to use Dreams being a beginner animator. I thought they would have taken the Procreate platform and added dreams features to it? Still believing they will add what needs to be there for us users. thank you for your work so far Team!

[@jason_swet]

💯

[@kylegates5547]

I have a question how long can you make an animation in pro dreams I’m trying to make mines at least over 40 minutes long and it starts to glitch out and miss reading my gesture controls like zoom out or undoing when I scroll across the timeline, my point is do you have problems making longer animations

[@jason_swet]

Wow! I’ve never attempted an animation that long. I’d probably try to break up the project into scenes and assemble the scenes in an editing program.

[@GeahkBurchill]

I have two friends who both talk about being animators. All three of us got Dreams on launch. All three of us complained and nit-picked about various aspects of the program feeling unfinished. However, one friend has done something like 12-15 different animations in it since launch, the other has got stuck on the one they started with. I’m somewhere in between. This leads me to feel strong _it’s not the app._ You either have a the passion for animation and work with it, or the app becomes your excuse for not doing it. I know people who animated in Mario Paint on SNES. No one can tell me Dreams is fiddlier than that! End of the day, we know Savage Team is gonna improve it. It’s not perfect, but it’s pretty good. I’ve already made some fun things. My animator friend has blown me away with her work. Don’t let a few annoyances be your reason not to make things. Art is hard. Persevere!

[@jason_swet]

Great optimistic perspective!

[@allenjoshuatrinidad4199]

So far, the lack of tips and tutorials made me do everything the hard way, and it was frustrating tbh. One of the problems I’m facing is importing image sequences where it doesn’t import the image sequentially, and it messes the animation 😭😭😭. So, it’s hard to adapt different workflows especially using a different application to animate then importing it to dreams to composite and layout.

[@jason_swet]

Yeah definitely been seeing them try to play catchup a bit with tips and tutorials. They invested a lot in influencers leading up to the launch, wish they would’ve spent more of that on educating before the launch. 🚀

[@SlickEvan]

I cant make a super detailed comment at this moment but one thing I have to say is that I HATE the flipbook timeline from Standard Procreate and rather prefer how its handled in Dreams.

[@jason_swet]

oh that’s so interesting! I’m the complete opposite haha

[@Xavier6zb]

I love procreate dreams ❤

[@jason_swet]

Yay! 🤘

[@Blindguys24]

Procreate the original app is hands down my favorite drawing app. Really hoping they make the much needed improvements to Dreams or it’s going to be hard for it to grow the legs it’s been expected to have. You said the same thing I’ve been thinking and that’s the cannibalizing (possibility), which I don’t think is realistic. Reason being for exactly what you said, lots of illustrators that don’t want to animate. My personal take I really like the Dreams app but have run into some of the same issues. I think right now it should be called Create Dreams bc it’s missing the “PRO” functions that made their other app great. I think they will have to realize that or need to. Not being mean or hateful at all just addressing the irony lol. Great video!

[@jason_swet]

Haha __Create Dreams! Yeah you’re totally right. I feel like they forgot to build on what made procreate so special, in their pursuit of building an animation experience from the ground up.

[@MikeJasnowski]

They leaned a little too hard on gestures, and abandoned UX from Procreate that would have eased transition into using dreams. I think overall just a lot of perplexing design choices made it much harder to just learn the program

[@jason_swet]

Yeah building from the ground up isn’t always the best choice eh!

[@muchonice]

Just the info I needed. Thx

[@jason_swet]

You got it!

[@visionpersistance]

I agree

[@akulu]

Wish I watched this video ages ago, why is the retiming frames feature so hidden lool

[@jason_swet]

No idea…But now you know!

[@dplj4428]

$12.99 for a polished app. $19.99 for this one in its infancy which didnt arrive doing flips and piroette.

[@jason_swet]

Haha yeah 19.99 is pretty insanely cheap compared to some eh!

[@jennyfong6851]

It’s just sad how the only excuse that Dreams fans have is that the program will finally get good after 3+ years TToTT

[@jason_swet]

I personally think it’s pretty good now. Just needs a bit of refinement.

[@visionpersistance]

I agree…

[@angelkaosdragon]

I think with the wonderful development of regular Procreate over the years, that we can expect Procreate Dreams to continue to get better and better over time. I think they have a good starting point now, and I fully expect them to continue to devote time to improving it. I'm excited to see what's ahead for the app.

[@jason_swet]

I agree. Expecting lots of improvement in the near future!

[@ibrajimenez2098]

Blender is free

[@jason_swet]

But is it on the iPad? I’d prefer not to be chained to my desk.

[@moonrivers71]

Ditto

[@ibrajimenez2098]

@@jason_swet oh true. I think only desktop.

[@Vectormaestros]

you expecting too much out of $20. these apps are made for the non talented to feel like they can create with the aid of special tools and settings while they will be lost in professional workspace. let folks have fun and its only a few dollars to experiment and get addicted to creating so then later they can find a better app to become pros. I guess this is what click bait is all about. sorry to fall for it.

[@jason_swet]

Dude take it easy.