Why I dislike Procreate

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Timestamp
00:00 - DISCLAIMER
00:57 - Navigator
02:07 - Layer Limit
03:03 - Cropping
04:05 - Forced resize
05:00 - Cloud save
05:41 - Layer visibility
06:45 - Gallery button
07:16 - Brush settings
08:05 - Keyboard shortcuts
09:12 - Final

[@samijen]

Alternate title: my skill issue

[@Popyellow]

Omgg hiiiiiiii i love your videos!!!

[@unicornpupart]

skill issue :)

[@samijen]

@@Popyellow thank you!! ^^

[@Aman_Mondal]

Nah it's not skill issue I have the same issues like why does it crop that image also I don't like the brushes in procreate cuz the overall look seems extremely soft for my liking I prefer more sharper brushes I have used Fresco for free and that feels way better and I generally use clip studio paint with my Huion Kamvas display tablet cuz I don't want to pay subscription also Procreate still doesn't have a shape tool also no support for vector layers

[@unicornpupart]

@@Aman_Mondal you can make your own brushes in procreate also buy other people's brushes that can make it easier to draw and whats your liking its pretty simple and easy to make shape tools just look at a tutorial saying "how to create my own brushes on procreate" and thats it. also there are sharp tools maybe you're just looking at airbrushes? idk

[@Hurricane047]

My biggest pet peeve with procreate is that it shows you brush size in percentage rather than pixels, and the percentage varies between each brush so 2% on brush A can be WAY bigger than 2% on brush B and it honestly annoys me so much and I don't understand why there isn't an option to just display it in pixels. This is why I use Artstudio Pro instead which is basically a mix of Procreate and Photoshop, honestly recommend it and it pains me to see how 95% of ipad users never even heard of it and just default to Procreate because it's what everyone uses

[@ArianeEvangelina]

I’ve heard of it but procreate is cheaper 😅

[@lunarsway]

BRUUUH FR it threw me off SO BAD. and the % isn't even the same between brushes because their maximum/minimum size values are different and it's SO INFURIATING like CAN'T YOU JUST TELL ME BOTH AT THE SAME TIME??? 😭AND 1% can have MULTIPLE pixel sizes in it so if you don't nail exactly where you had it before it's gonna be sliiightly different RAUGHGHHAAUGHAGRAUGH

[@cr3910]

i just use ibis paint because i have no money for paid apps💀

[@Hurricane047]

@@lunarsway exactly, you gotta judge by the little brush stamp preview because on some brushes you can be at 1% size and it will be twice as big than... 1%. Like every other art program I've seen uses pixels, it's what I'm used to and it works, why try to be unique with something that's objectively worse, if you're gonna reinvent the wheel make it better not more annoying

[@Mendoxs_]

​@@cr3910 ibis is pretty cracked as a free program

[@alexskyline_]

I love procreate but there are reasons why I still finish every piece in photoshop 😭 it's great as a "just pick it up and start drawing" app bc you don't get overwhelmed by all the ui options, but if you're skilled with a program that has those options, you really start missing them

[@shinjite06]

Clip Studio just added a simple mode so I have no reason to use anything else.

[@pemanilnoob587]

Dude, procreate is not simple in the slightest, when I tried it I was so overwhelmed by how much nothing there was, nothing was clearly labelled, which makes it so complicated and messy and confusing

[@allste626]

@@pemanilnoob587 The thing is, it is objectively a "simple" app in comparison to other apps in the same category.

[@Jade.051]

@@pemanilnoob587They meant how the ui is, you can see that there are not much VISIBLE options like in other programs

[@shybie2798]

The stabilization cropping and layer limits are my biggest issues omfg

[@religiousindustrialaliens]

layer limits shouldn’t be a huge issue unless you’re using an older device, how old is yours

[@shybie2798]

@@religiousindustrialaliens its more like i like working on big canvases. I think its a 2020 model but overal i tend to like working on bigger canvases and that eats up my layer limit

[@kairoikki6981]

I can totally understand this! I tend to use standard canvas size anyways so it doesn’t usually bother me, but occasionally when I need a higher resolution, the layer limit gets eaten up SO quickly lol.

[@religiousindustrialaliens]

@@shybie2798 makes sense! had a 2020 flagship and it could be a little bit limited with large layer sizes so i totally understand

[@shybie2798]

@@religiousindustrialaliens yeah! Ty for understanding 🙏🙏 I would buy a new ipad but I do not have the funds for it rn.

[@kittykablam]

YES. I have such a love/loathe relationship with Procreate.

[@qwaffled]

avid procreate user here, the only complaint i've really had about this program is the fact that whenever i resize/move something with the lasso tool, it just makes it blurry and not sharp and i end up having to redraw the lineart over the original because i made a stupid mistake

[@Sophsoapbubbles]

This is so true. I animate on it and it makes it pixelated 😢

[@i_draw_whatever1677]

Thank god it doesn’t have the same issue in procreate dreams

[@icanseeyou9820]

i had this issue when i used to use procreate - turns out it was the interpolation mode. try different ones, some will work better for lineart

[@pandalikeskawaii]

You should try changing the interpolation setting! It’s most likely on bicubic or bilinear if it’s making things blurry

[@weedlechu]

Change it to nearest neighbor! Not sure if that’s exactly what it’s called but it helps a ton

[@vampera82]

As someone who did use ibis but gradually turned to procreate when first getting an iPad, I find it hard to revert back and sometimes I wish my brain could cause sometime Procreate gets really confusing and stressful but I just love at the same time

[@amateurbarnaby]

literally the reason i went and bought procreate is because of my photoshop brushes. I used ibis for years and they are are easier to use but i just hate it that i cant use my own brushes.

[@TadpoleArtz]

I tried Krita first and then procreate was so easy when compared. I love it.

[@lunarsway]

@@TadpoleArtz i've used krita for YEARS and i found procreate annoying... but i've gotten a bit more used to it now, it's nice to doodle in it but for more serious stuff i'd probably use krita again... it's just better

[@myprofilepictureisafish]

I still use Ibis and got Procreate but barely use it 😅 still wanna get another art program though just so I know I’m capable of working on multiple programs and can have more options for certain stuff

[@ray-ee5pb]

@@amateurbarnabyYou can make your own brushes! Kinda. I always do this when I draw on Ibispaint X, and it’s an add (or sometimes none!) to use all of the brush stuff for… 18 hours I think?

[@nzhnaz]

i once saw a forum that request the function of being able to add clipping mask to groups....5 years later they still haven't add that

[@_Liimerence_]

I have been needing this, even ibis-paint has a clipping mask for groups/folders!

[@Nooby_Master]

Ikr it’s frustrating.. even in ibispaint you can clip on group/folder layers

[@stitchgor3]

What’s that sorry?

[@disrespecc9678]

@@stitchgor3I think it’s, making a layer that can’t appear outside of the drawing in the layer it’s clipped to

[@AtomekKotalke]

Many things were unanswered or not resolved in their forums. There are great ideas to implement and improve upon in procreate. Instead they made procreate dreams which also needs a lot of work.

[@Solgaleos]

omg thank you for addressing these issues, i felt insane thinking i was the only procreate disliker. every art program i ever used always had its features (ex: layers, brush lists, brush settings etc) laid out infront of the user but for some reason procreate hides them??? which is fine but having to do all those extra clicks just to increase stabilization feels like a step backwards and needlessly complicated. like sure procreates layout is nice an minimalistic, but at the cost of being less intutitive

[@aussieaxolotl1671]

OMg that's my exact issue!! It's too minimalistic for me, I had a phase a while back where it was all I used but going back to it now after a long time with Csp I just can't TvT I need my tools laid out in front of me so I can remember they're there!!

[@Solgaleos]

@@aussieaxolotl1671 SAME i wish procreate didnt make it so hard to find every setting, it slows down my art process significantly. i think thats why i adore CSP so much lol theres a billion buttons and settings and i dont have to look up a manual to find them all so i can draw without feeling hindered

[@linmonPIE]

Yeah, it’s like having to open the drawer where all your tools and paints are over and over while you’re working instead of just leaving them all out on the table in easy reach at all times.

[@chesspiece4257]

it’s nice when you have a smaller ipad. my biggest issue is just how pixelated everything is Xᗡ

[@wildmaknae_]

@@Solgaleos me but with Artstudio Pro, just throw whatever you need on the tool bar (like, pretty much anything in app can be made into toolbar shortcut) and don't go digging for whatever you need every second

[@N30NF43]

Also, the complete absence of a gradient tool, you get a smudge tool and a Gaussian blur, that’s it.

[@NoirArt.]

adjustments->gradient map

[@saphi20]

@@NoirArt. gradient tool as in a way to draw gradients

[@N30NF43]

@@NoirArt. Only adjusts existing colours, not a gradient tool.

[@sem_re]

this is honestly so helpful, bc i always see ppl praising it. praise isn't a bad thing, but these videos are good in that ik what parts of the app i won't like and if it's for me or not.

[@auklett]

OMG yes to all of this!! Especially the cropping and layer visibility. Recently got a Kamvas Pro + CSP and I was genuinely surprised the first time I moved something outside the canvas and it didn’t get cropped out. I’ve been working with Procreate for far too long 😂

[@NoirArt.]

I never cared for the cropping - my stuff gets completely pixelated anyway if I turn it only 1 pixel

[@auklett]

@@NoirArt.That too!! I basically spend extra time smoothing things out because of how pixelated it becomes after any transformation.

[@thephilosopher5799]

What specific tablet did you get? Trying to decide rn

[@melanieyuart]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but for the eyedropper tool you can change it to just instead of in the gesture settings. I found it helpful when I do a lot of eyedropping!

[@teaofpastels]

surprised you didn’t include the inferior paint bucket tool 😭 CSP paint bucket tool has treated me way too good so whenever I switch to procreate I’m always shocked at how bad the paint bucket is on there. my workflow is so much faster on CSP so I end up switching programs when I want to do colors on a big piece. but for doodles I just use the lasso tool and use the color fill option bc rn that’s the fastest way to get flat colors on procreate

[@katemclain5617]

Just had the opposite lol. Got csp yeaaars ago when I wasn't ready for that advanced of an interface and it scared me into using procreate. Switched over a few days ago and I will not shut up about how damn good CSP's fill tool is oh my god its HEAVEN

[@teaofpastels]

@@katemclain5617 we need a quality of life update for procreate’s fill tool so bad

[@dasgrauel]

@@katemclain5617 You should try using the user-made Better Fill Tool in their asset store! All you have to do is set the lineart layer(s) as reference in the layer section and IT'S EVEN MORE OF A DREAM.

[@superbeanx2]

I just couldn't get into csp it feels worse

[@edorasmarauder5761]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[@user-su3eo8kn8l]

My biggest issue with procreate is that you can't change the folder's opacity and you can't create clipping groups AND you can't create clipping layers for folders. This is a very big issue to me because I use all of these functions all the time in other programs

[@jennie__lights]

For me it was the stabilizer that heavily set me off procreate after I bought it so I feel you on the brush settings

[@cherriiedaisies6713]

YES. The stabilizer on procreate is so unbelievably different from every other program I’ve used, and even if both streamline and stabilization is turned off I still notice this subtle delay with the brushes that doesn’t carry over in other mobile art programs. I always wondered if the brushes by default have a bit of stabilization to them even when it’s turned all the way down, but I always thought I was just insane for thinking so!!!!! I’m relieved that I am not crazy, and that I do not need to be sent to an institution

[@vismattress5760]

im sorry no every other app's stabilizer is laggy cheeks

[@workbynaja]

Your reason number 3# is the reason I switched years ago. I love using the lasso and transform tools and blurred pixels don't cut it. ArtStudio Pro forever! XD

[@saphi20]

ArtStudio Pro is the best app :D really underrated

[@weedlechu]

Try switching your settings to nearest neighbor on procreate! It lets art latch on to pixels when you resize it and it does a pretty great job of resizing without losing quality. It was a game changer for me lol

[@analudraws]

I totally agree with all of these! ..I have one to add: no separate effect/adjustment layers. Unless I'm mistaken, you need to combine all the layers to then apply them to then mess around with effects to apply to the entire image!! I have to duplicate my artwork and flatten it all just to further adjust.

[@idkman6149]

oh yeah that one pisses me off the most

[@valkyrivy]

Yes this!!! I quite enjoy procreate, but I have worked with sai before and am missing the feature of clipping layers to folders and play around with effects and overlays without merging everything 🥲

[@whyhellothere6855]

Not sure if this will help, but try duplicating the canvas then merging all the layers, that way you still have your old un-merged canvas if you mess up :)

[@Cynwatsonart]

Yes! The confusing brush settings and the keyboard shortcuts are the main reason I only use my ipad/procreate for sketching and all of my painting and other work I do in PS on my laptop.

[@someuser4166]

1. the intrusive autosave is a dealbreaker for me. i want to decide when to save, i dont want the app to decide that. sometimes i want to experiment around and dont want to save my experimental changes. theres a reason every professional desktop app has a "save as" option. 2. if you open the app in split view it takes away some tools. 3. dont like minimalistic UIs. i want all my tools and options.

[@NoirArt.]

especially if you crop around or use to many effect layers, app is prone to crash, so I always have to make a safety copy of my project before doing something that could crash it and ruin my entire project I mean, I'm happy it autosaves - _but then don't delete the undos with leaving the app!!!_

[@whyhellothere6855]

I’m honestly personally glad procreate auto-saves, it’s miles better than forgetting to or the program crashing and not saving. I’ve mentioned this in another reply to a comment but try duplicating the canvas then making changes, I do that all the time when I want to experiment radically but not sure if I’ll like it better than the original

[@milicamilic7433]

It's so funny i still like procreate but actually agree with all of the things you said. Very good way to draw attention to very easy to miss issues

[@Ghorei]

For the eye dropper tool I have it binded on the square button between the sliders. With my work flow, my left hand does all the adjusting of size, opacity and eye-dropping. (Undo and redo should be part of the left hand chores for more efficiency but I got used to doing it with my dominant right hand) Blending is relatively easy with this type of set-up. I don’t use the keyboard since I don’t feel the need to but it would be really helpful for keyboard users if it had one. ^^

[@danielr7599]

i think you should just submit a letter \ talk with the guys at procreate. - adding an option in menu what "count" as action to fall back in the action history sounds like easy to do. - same thing on adding "are you sure you want to leave" or even save X amount of actions should be easy to add. - resize engine, you can point it out, but i think after procreate dreams(i think solved there), they should fix it. -> in my opinion its feel like a bug they never solved. - cloud is also feel weird they didnt fix it. in my opinion its also a bug - keyboard shortcut, huge for me too, i wish they will work on it as well. about the cropping, layer limit, resize, i think most of them been solved in procreate dreams, and slowly will be pushed to procreate. but i think you need to mail them your points, as they are valid in the most case, and should be easy to implement.

[@samijen]

I completely stopped using the app, so I don't think it's any use to try to get them to fix the issues to fit my needs lol. But someone else could try emailing them if they use the app a lot!

[@danielr7599]

@@samijen you stopped because of this features, without even trying to get an answer from it. its not "someone else" its everyone of us that have something like this, for exmaple the back button for layer drive me crazy sometimes too, but i think if each of us try to show them the chance of it been improve is bigger. and , CSP vs Procreate, i prefer procreate, as CSP going in wrong direction and there software feels slower with each update, and they not listening to the community, and became greedy as hell.

[@gaboshkaboi6885]

@@danielr7599 Procreate is pretty much no longer updated though. The only updates we get recentley are maintainance updates. It's been ages since we got any feature updates and since they made dreams, they seem to have put all of their programming team on that.

[@mikaelam.4524]

@@danielr7599 so if you also have the same issues with it and you DO use the app, why don't YOU submit these problems to the devs as opposed to the person that has altogether stopped using it???? it just doesn't make sense that you're complaining to someone about not reporting these issues when they've already stated they don't wanna use the app anymore, so it's no longer their concern.

[@danielr7599]

​@@mikaelam.4524 First: I did report a thing or two in the past. Second, i am not with 50K followers + 10K views on the video, she is pretty much complaining on Porcreate been bad, and thats fine, but going and bitch about the program that mean trying to make "click bait" , or full video agenst procreate, without even asking them about the features. this is the main problem, first you go and ask procreate, than you make a video " 5 Things i wish procreate will fix, and they dont plan too so i stick with CSP" thats something i agree, but coming and saying its not a good app (yes you sayng for you, but lets be real here people follow you will listen to it and it will change there views). there is a different from influencer to some online person committing on a video.

[@mommy-mar]

For me, I love procreate. I love how simple the interface is. It is easy to work with and easy to learn and adapt to. I feel like keyboard shortcuts would be fun to use and maybe would make my process quicker. I hope they fix it to make it customizable. The only thing i wish would be fixed is the vector graphics and stuff? if we could change what we use that would be nice. But its not really a reason for me to change over from my affordable art app to a montly subscription. Literally, something going from one time purchase to monthly subscription infuiriates me to no end. I was planning on purchasing CSP but then they pulled the monthly payment shit and I was out of there so fast.

[@wildmaknae_]

in what world procreate's ui is easy to learn and navigate?.....

[@mommy-mar]

@@wildmaknae_ at the beginning, I say "For me," In my world. For someone who's had struggles learning photoshop and other interfaces like it. I caught on to procreate's ui very quickly. I watched one or two procreate tutorials and I was pretty much set. I made really cool artwork in under 4 hours on day 1! For someone who started out on IBIS paint and finger and eventually got procreate on an Ipad and apple pencil. For me it was easy to learn and once you learn the little functions its very easy to navigate. :)

[@chenlery]

i started digital art with firealpaca where they tracked layer visibility in the history so i got used to it!! it was pretty handy to use undo and redo to turn a layer on and off, rather than hovering over the buttons with the pen. this has made csp hard to switch to because sometimes ill undo way too much work while wondering why the layer isn't turning off 😭😭

[@kyushinin]

6:34 I use Krita and it counts layer visibility in the history. Personally I don't have a problem with it, because I can have a lot of layers and not know what I've accidentally made invisible, so it's useful since I can just quickly undo it and get back to drawing!

[@saphi20]

same, to me is a feature, she is just not using it properly ^^U

[@SirVampyr]

Very valid points. I'm back-and-forth between CSP and ProCreate, but I think I'll stick to ProCreate for now. The brush engine on CSP feels so much better, but ProCreate just flows better. Maybe a hybrid-workflow in the future (ProCreate for sketching, CSP for lineart + rest). A 16" iPad would be amazing to handle CSP a bit better :D

[@Mystic_Dragon_Art]

Have you tried CSP's Simple Mode when using it on a tablet?

[@carjac820]

IDK about a 16” ipad tho. At that point, it should be a Mac.

[@Tea-gh8cu]

thank you thank you THANK YOU for reading my mind, GOD I tried to get into procreate years ago, but the brushes are weird, it all feels small, I feel like I have to press too damn hard when drawing, even with a sketch brush, its kinda buggy. It's nothing like CSP that feels like just like a PC program, I feel like nothing is missing, it makes a huge use of the screen, even the default brushes on CPS are more complete (well, you get what you pay for). The only good thing I can feel is how minimalistic it is 😭. We ALL have a different ways to work, I'm still glad procreate exist because it is a really good alternative for people with a much different and quick workflow as mine.

[@rosie285llll]

You are definitely right. Don't say these reasons are stupid, they aren't at all. Indeed, they are really very annoying and make the application appear not at all professional, but for an amateur audience who likes to have fun and draw every now and then, as a hobby. So everything you said is true, I agree with you, these gaps are extremely annoying for those working with their art. I'm sorry, but it's not a question of skills, it's a question of the developers not having designed this application for a professional audience. Great video, I laughed when you showed the fact that it cuts everything off the canvas, because at first I was angry about this too 🙈 There are also a lot of other things that you didn't mention that are really annoying. In short, I think I will never use procreate haha

[@RemidiyArt]

I personally just use Artstudio Pro and swap my files between it and Procreate for different effects because they do like 90% of the same things but the 10% they don't, I have to bear with Procreate's wacky interface for lol

[@Succudream]

or when you wanna make your drawing bigger mid linear and it gets pixelated....

[@h0neyand1em0n]

Wonderful video! I considered dipping my toes into Procreate pool, but I am also a Photoshop kid for life and a messy artist with 200+ layers. All the reasons that you mentioned in this video will drive me up the wall in no time, and it's a price too big to pay, not even considering the price of an iPad itself. Thank you for saving my time and money! 👍

[@GotoFail]

I feel like there’s a perfect in-between of the simplicity of procreate and the power of clip studio that has yet to be created.

[@JakeTheLateCreates]

For color pick, you can use the square button between the size and opacity sliders as a hot key to activate the color picker.

[@lory3771]

I personally really like that layer visibility is in the history because I go back to get colors from old drawings a lot, and it’s just easier to hit the undo button to switch them back on or off to get back to the original state of the drawing.

[@ootay4473]

While not ideal, for the color picker tool, I binded the "square button" (the thing between the size and opacity sliders) to the color picker. So, I simply press on that button to active the color picker and touch the screen on the color that I want with the pencil to change color - and there's no need to wait. But when I'm constantly using that button to pick the color, I happen to also accidently change the size of my brush instead- I swear that "sqaure" button is way too small sometimes lmao.

[@ainokiiski5438]

I started using procreate when csp started having monthly payment system. But omg I miss csp so much!!! I loved how they had one website where you could download brushes and there were plenty of free options that were actually good and usable brushes! I really like procreate too but after learning digital art with cps for so many years it just doesn't feel the same...

[@Gyouseii]

I have some more additional pet peeves. The way how textured brushes seem to be bound to the drawing area so the size doesnt matter. How you can randomly end up with a bunch of small lines or dots on your canvas since it will respond to your hand sometimes. The filling leaving half opacity pixels despite having the fill set to 99.9% (and more equals filling the whole canvas). The lack of basic layer property effects such as border. And the lack of clipping masks. I think its a great tool for starters but I feel like you have to finish in other software to have access to the most basic effects.

[@grimnott]

for me i love love love procreate for sketching, especially with its multi layer liquify tool, but then i prefer finishing pieces in clip studio

[@haia2667]

UGHH this is so good! I’ve never really liked procreate, it’s just not for me for these reasons and more, but procreate artists are wonderful!!

[@That_One_Random10]

Ok but honestly no matter what app you use, YOUR ART IS AMAZING!!!!

[@ccxbox123]

For the last few weeks I had been obsessing over wanting to buy an ipad SOLELY for Procreate (I personally don't like Apple ecosystem but Procreate seemed enticing). After watching this video, omg you just saved my wallet big time! I'm sooo used to using Photoshop and CSP ever since I started digital art, so I can't imagine being limited by Procreate's restrictions. Thank you so much for sharing your honest thoughts 💖

[@goforapunch]

honestly yeah, i used csp and procreate for years and csp is honestly just so more comfortable to use once you get used to it.. everything from brushes to cropping to layer limits is so much better. if csp wasn’t subscription based for ipad i would’ve fully switched ages ago

[@EmeraldEagle_]

I completely agree, all of these are things I had problems with after coming from using a drawing pad on Sketchbook

[@EmeraldEagle_]

And using my fingers on Medibang and ibis

[@JoCheah]

Procreate for me is just a casual program with limited functions, but I’ve greatly improved my workflow with a little external shortcuts keyboard. So stuff like brush size up/down, eyedropper, eraser/brush, undo/redo, etc etc are just one key press instead of having to gesture with my hands.

[@g.k.5165]

I use procreate and I like it! But I hate that it don’t have a normal “magic wand” and gap recognisation! Like I use “sketch” brush as an outline (I think it is a part of my style) and the program don’t recognise it as a fine line… so each time I have to make a grayscale just to have a correct selection

[@elonna8146]

real and as someone with an also “sketchy” artstyle, that’s itself is limiting. It feels as tho the app like prefers like painty or NOT THAT style 😭 does that make sense??? like along w the stabilization thing

[@sproutsprite]

This is so true, as someone who has a messy textured lineart and style i really wish they made a better fill tool with gap recognition, its sad they haven't made any changes for artists who are in the messier style and not for people who have clean lineart or do calligraphy;;

[@dyliriuss7751]

I personally love procreate for what it is, but I whole heartily agree with the points that you made within this videos. As a person who uses 10000000000 layers, the layer limit is what gets me. I also love to use a lot of inking tools, and when i make a mistake within procreate and change it a bit, that lines loses its quality unless i redraw that same line again.

[@whateverart]

I’ve been using procreate since 2020 and the longer you use it the more you learn but also they’ve added things like reference, stabilizer etc

[@ArtSian_]

The accidentally hitting gallery issue actually happened to me a LOT to the point I left feedback saying it would be a nice change to at least give a warning before exiting. I made a lot of stickers and would design them all on one canvas, then crop and export them one by one, undoing after. So many times I cropped them accidentally pressed gallary. >< I like procreate for sketching, thumbnailing and just initial design work, but I prefer Clipstudio for the rest. I think it works really well for younger artists that want to learn and find the price or the interface of other programs too much, but for more professional work I think its often too inconvinient.

[@ajifadjri]

this is so helpful thank you so much

[@_pawzdoesstuff]

i totally wanna change to csp but i’m too fond of certain brushes… i’ll say, after using the same 2, one of which is a round brush and the other is a rectangle brush

[@Okamidii]

THANK YOU Honestly as someone who only did a few basic illustrations with it my biggest pet peeve is the brushes I cannot stand the way they feel and that turned me off it

[@dancingcat4231]

i had used photoshop, paint tool sai and CSP before procreate and honestly you couldnt have said it better 💯 if you're new to digital art or havent used any other drawing software, procreate will seem good enough, but if u've tried others its obvious that procreate is lacking alot

[@ninomtsituri]

It was super useful and important info about procreate! Thanks to you, I thought about whether an iPad would really be convenient for me. Wish you lots of inspiration!

[@samijen]

Glad my video helped! Thanks!

[@tower3502]

I haaaaaaaaate the way the brushes feel so smooth and perfect. I know it makes me sound insane but I liked digital art because it emphasised the scratchy feel of Lino prints and paper and ink on metal! With procreate everything just looks to shiny. I have all the smoothing stuff is turned to zero yet I can still feel it correcting my brush strokes. Ugh I have no idea how to express it but I want my art to feel crusty and pointy and rough around the edges not smoothed and ironed out:( I feel like someone is trying to take the punk out of my drawings and I don’t like it. It’s a very good program for people who want to get into digital art tho and are put off by the rigid interfaces of csp and photoshop. It’s so strange wanting to fight your program only for your punches to bounce back at you. I feel like nobody talks about this aspect of digital art.

[@Artistjames2330]

i use procreate on my ipad air 5 which is my main go to app but i also use clip studio paint for my pc with a drawing tablet

[@Bitchyoureallythought]

For the color picking thing you were complaining about, there’s apparently a button in between the size and opacity where you can hold your finger on it and select the color with your pen

[@FaeryStellar]

8:40 The shortcut for the eyedropper is the square below the brush size tool. You can use it for that or change it into a quick shortcuts menu. Just saying!

[@Gyouseii]

I thought that was the brush size icon. I always just held the canvas to color pick. Thanks!

[@OtakuBoxes]

@@Gyouseii I think you can just hold your finger on the screen for a few seconds and drag around to pick colors as well. At least that's what I always did. I didn't even know there was a tool for that.

[@_HanaPanda]

As someone who started on procreate and now a huge csp user i flippin agree one extra thing, VECTOR LAYERS oh my god. One thing i hate with procreate is enlarging something and its gone pixlated as heck. I have to be double sure before inking. It drives me up the wall! I love csp especially as i can cloud save and swap between my ipad and my xp pen on my pc. Ill only use pro create now for simply sketching out ideas, and thats only if my sketchbook isnt too hand and im too lazy to go and get it. 😅 I dont think ive used procreate for anything more than that now.

[@AkaiNabi]

This actually cementing my unwillingness to get procreate and stick to csp through and through, even though it's not the cheapest investment, it's worth it. I've started digital art on a pc so shifting to something somewhat familiar in terms of how its elements are organized helps me my wanting to stick with what's familiar to me. But that's just me and how i (don't) work.🙃

[@fiercefreesia]

I used Procreate for a month after saving up for my own iPad and, yea, I’m definitely sticking to CSP as my main art software; though, I have redownloaded ibisPaint on the same iPad and it’s basically my digital sketch book now. (Still on topic, but it shouldn’t have taken me two weeks to find the blend modes in Procreate, oh my goooood-) EDIT: Yes, I said two weeks. I work a part time job, you see.

[@sasaegn]

You’re so real, I always end up closing procreate in frustration and opening csp on the pc 😭

[@gr-os4gd]

The app-only saves is a real PITA. I really think they need to fix this. Your other points are also things I'd like to see fixed.

[@DXPL1C4T3]

Super love procreate but primarily use it for sketching. Having the minimalist UI can feel super freeing to just get idea generation going. Love Photoshop but all the bells and whistles can be intimidating and feel super formal when I just want to bang out an idea without much thought to it. It's especially notable for my process because I am very much someone who describes and illustrates form via linework rather than taking the more painterly/sculpterly approach. That being said, it feels rewarding when pulling Photoshop after the sketching stage and doing actual rendering and painting. Two completely different modes. Procreate keeps it fun for me while Photoshop keeps me a professional

[@grildrago]

This was really a legit reason. After all art and video i saw, I really want csp but I dont wanna pay monthly. I already bought procreate so Im gonna use it until i really have a stable way to earn money.

[@TheNamesJER]

2:39 - I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s used this method 😂 The layer visibility issue is also not a nit pick, it’s a super strange choice that I have never gotten used to and don’t think we should have to. This should be an option.

[@jomsies]

You can lower the activation time of the tap and hold for the color picker btw. :3

[@samijen]

Oh, didn't know that! Thank you sm~

[@CozyCabbit]

As someone who started with Procreate, switched to Clip Studio Paint, then switched back to Procreate - I definitely get it. My biggest issues with Procreate are the history and resizing. The reason things are more blurry when resizing on Procreate is because it's a raster based program (from what I remember reading) compared to Clip. If Procreate was more vector based, the resized blurring wouldn't be too much of an issue. Procreate is nice as a digital sketchbook in my opinion, which isn't a bad thing at all.

[@oof7711]

As someone who started out with procreate, u can make it work if ur only doing this for personal use, it’s very portable too, but for commercial commissions it’s be annoying to change sizes and is limited. It can be a lot better but u can hack it with quick menus to make it easier to use. Not good for wanting to go pro with it, but it’s good to use on the road and starting artists who don’t want to buy tablets or csp.

[@zoesnijder4085]

I use Procreate and i understand were you come from and i love that you share your opinion

[@alternatedio5044]

if you press the square in between the brush size and opacity slider it auto changes your brush to quick eye dropper temporarily

[@simpeers]

The whole out-of-bounds thing you mentioned, right after them confirming that they pre-allocate each layer, is caused by the same reason. If you could do things outside the "layer", that means the layer has to be allowed to be infinitely large. Meaning, not possible to pre-allocate. Now, they could probably make it work somehow, but the cost would be the speed-gains they did this for in the first place. By having a finite size per layer, you always know just how many you can have, and you can speed up operations on these layers instead of trying to on the fly optimise the memory in ways that would allow this kind of feature. On a PC this sort of thing is fine to do as they're much faster and has more memory, but it's a very device target.

[@Fruitykid]

should i use clipstudio instead?? i like the bigger display and settings, it feels alot more “professional”, might take a bit to get used to tho if i do, im pretty sure theres two versions, pro and ex, but does the version matter alot?

[@stynnguyen6085]

The eyedrop button ís literally the square icon on the side right between the size and opacity scale. All you can do it press it and slide to where you want, you dont need to switch and hold down to get the eyedrop.

[@user-ey1cd6ct5f]

I just bought an ipad for procreate and I love it. I have huion kamva, surface laptop studio, but I do prefer drawing on an ipad. You can just take it anywhere, love it!

[@coco_casino]

Omg the back button!!! I almost wanted to cry the first time I realized it cancels the undo history 😭😭😭 another thing I dislike is the lack of ruler for straight lines and shapes! I know you can hold a line but the angle is rarely correct and all my shapes end up as a crooked polygon 😅

[@matthewpeluso6505]

They changed the eye dropper keybind to M. It used to be alt. This is a great video. Thank you because these are like the exact reasons why I don’t work in it for long lol

[@lordmage3694]

Reasons 2 and 7 can be easily fixed with one piece of information, you can add a shortcut through procreate where if you tap once with two fingers at the same time, it undos what just happen. Now you can undo smt without accidentally saving your work and you also don’t have to worry about the canvas crop unless you realize much later on that you wanted to move smt back 😅

[@sososleeepy]

someone gets it 😭❤ could you possibly make a video on your physical setup with your iPad? like how do you use a keyboard with it? I always feel like it's not stable enough if I'm not holding it with my other hand

[@moryartchuuu]

i had the same issues when i decided to draw only on procreate on my ipad since the anual prescription for csp was too much for me, i think ppl should research on the issues with every drawing app before switching. Now i got a whole separate wacom tablet only for csp and i just doodle on my ipad on pro, i feel like this is the best option if u do want to draw more precise with more freedom of space and layers lol thats how i do it!

[@milhouse901]

as a mainly procreate user i've experienced and agree with all your gripes

[@quicksilvertheelegant3964]

I started using Procreate once I ‘permanently borrowed’ my mom’s Apple Pencil, and now I am never going back. I used to be a mouse MS paint artist for many years (I know, the horror) with assistance from Paint Tool Sai. I have basic drawing tablets for my computer but I just can’t get into them, so my iPad with the Apple Pencil has been a miracle. I can finish drawings in a few days instead of 2 months because drawing with a mouse takes ages and I’d get bored lol. That being said, as an artist with a not very complicated style, there were a few things that irked me: -Layer limit. My iPad is old but not exactly ancient and I like having as much room as I need in a canvas, so I usually end up having not a lot of layer wiggle room. I have progressively remedied this by not making as many layers and drawing certain things on the same layer to save space (and I’m too paranoid to merge layers until I’m done, so) -This program devours my iPad’s battery. Once I’m at about 40+ layers, the battery can go from 80% to 20% in less than an hour; it’s terrifying. I again remedy this by just keeping my iPad constantly plugged in while I draw, but I can also just feel the sheer amount of *heat* my iPad is giving off trying to run a complicated drawing. You could probably bake something on it. -When I first started using it, I found the UI overwhelming and honestly not very intuitive. I also wasn’t really finding much help with their official information for where stuff is, so I just learned as I went (since I used Paint Tool Sai for a while, it took me forever to figure out what Alpha Lock did because PTS had a different name for it). Even now I know there’s some features that would make parts of my process much easier, but I don’t know where they are and I’ll just stick to what I know. I think that’s how a lot of artists are. “This method to draw this sucks and I know it sucks but that’s how I’m used to it” haha I haven’t really run into certain peeves other artists might’ve had since again, my style is relatively simple with minimal lighting and shading, so my outlook on Procreate is more neutral. It’s my favorite art program so far, at least, but I still have some issues with it 👍

[@jegantdragoch.7088]

soo for clipstudio - and the new payment process that feels confusing. already own a version of clipstudio on the pc, but would i need to buy a new one in the ipad version?

[@justdevilchan]

Havent ever used procreate, but want to tell my story: My whole live, i was using IbisPaint, but on my last bd ive got a tablet and this tablet supports krita. My mind was BLOWN. I like made here 1,5 drawings, but man, im in love

[@TitaniumSporks.]

I love artstudio pro more than procreate on ios, despite artstudio pro costing more (40 dollars one time, though note that I got it back when it was only 10 dollars), i just find it’s more photoshop-like interface more intuitive. in addition, no layer limit, realistic color mixing (YELLOW AND BLUE MAKE GREEEEEEEN NOT GREEEEYYYY), and more filters/quality of life additions just make it so much nicer to use, at least in my opinion. On top of that, the dev is super active with their community and adds features that are suggested!

[@frostkiss2]

I think Procreate is for intuitive artists that come from oil or acrylic painting and CSP or PS is for cartoonists, manga artists, animators, illustrators who work in publishing or draw with a lot details.

[@youthfulcyclops8674]

My biggest issue with the brushes is that no matter how much I turn smoothing down, it still applies a fairly heavy stabilizer? Props to those who need/ like that but it drives me nuts

[@KaiyoriaChi]

No I fully agree with all of this and more because of how they save when I first started I lost so much work and trying to organize files it also corrupted my projects plus if you accidentally delete a project that got selected by accident and if you did not backup to cloud yet you are screwed only way is to do a whole ipad restore and thats IF you backed up before all that just for one app is insane it needs a recycle bin it needs many things just to be better I've started to just sketch in ipad then finish in clip or starting to also learn photoshop but ya procreate induces nightmares for me

[@allisonwestbrook4171]

On the GUI and keyboard shortcut issue, there are no shortcuts for rotating the brush and in order to do that you have to go into the brush settings every time. Yes, I know that the Apple Pencil has tilt to rotate the brush, but tilt sucks compared to having a stylus that has rotate built in like Wacom’s Art Pen. Having the rotate brush feature be always visibly available somewhere and key commands to be able to control it would be a great upgrade.

[@Phrosti_]

I'm with you 100% I use Fresco to start sketching because it feels much freer and more natural than Procreate. But then I use Procreate to ink and colour because those are so much better there. I have a love-hate relationship with how the brushes in Procreate work, they feel counterintuitive to my stroke and they take me out of the process. Like pressure means something...but then it doesn't... I was wondering if it was just me and my skill level.

[@tonytempest4112]

2 and 5. I so agree with those. Also. For me, I've noticed that when i draw with small brushes close up they are pixelated. It's not the size of canvas or brush cause i can port the exact same pic to clip studio and get very nice smooth lines, especially tapered lines.

[@CoolSmek]

I started drawing again on procreate, and for a while i liked it. Then a few weeks ago i got out my old tiny intuos tablet and decided to give krita a try on PC instead... Holy cow, it was so much nicer to use the krita app and my pc monitor to draw. Everything just flowed my workflow was way more efficient, and I could iterate and refine my art so much faster and more accurately. I love krita now 😂

[@Sofisasam]

For me Procreate feels SLOW AF. Moving layers around, creating folders and putting stuff into it takes ages and those animations are way too long😭. Im really used to the quick navigating in CSP lmao. Also you cannot clip anything onto existing folders which annoys me because im using it a lot :( You are mentioning every single problem i have with this app and i will always finish my drawings in CSP. Procreate is nice for sketching and doodling but no way am i gonna full render a big piece there

[@Tuskbumper]

Just opened the video but before it might or might not get said but: VECTOR LAYERS! I genuinely miss clip studio's ability to just have that? Edit: I'm saying I want to return to CSP just for vector layers specifically. It's sad, but I refuses to pay a sub for a program I have on my PC

[@sem_re]

csp has still has vector layers right?

[@deus.01]

CSP does have vector layers. Make sure your layer UI is stretched out enough to show more options since when its at its minimum, it only shows new layer, folder, merge etc. Its there, its just hidden away at first

[@oh-noe]

@@sem_re yes

[@Ghs6]

I love vectors

[@sleeper6548]

I am not a digital artist yet (ordered my tab, it's gonna take 3-4 days to come) but I keep hearing about vector layers in some csp tutorials, and as a physic student, I am confused, is it the same vector? If it is then how can it be used?

[@commentbot9510]

I'm glad that I used procreate in school and didn't buy an ipad. I realized the program is annoying to use. The only thing I liked was being able to draw on an ipad because I could take it with me in my backpack. They also do have some nice brushes. One reason you didn't add (unless I missed it) was that the fill selection tool is terrible.

[@muu7952]

Yes omg finally someone else who feels this way. As an artist who grew up with sai, csp was a very easy switch. The main reason I can't use procreate is because there's no proper bush stabilization. Only a "post-correction" which is not at all the same thing, and just ends up making my lines look stiff and also not how I drew them. Cannot stand it. That alone makes it entirely unusable for me

[@Yuffinene]

I myself couldn't work in procreate since I'm used to clip studio (and used paint tool sai before). I hate the fact that I couldn't have my functions windows open (like have layers window just floating around or just open all the time) and had to open them every time, I like to have my ui filled with what I need, even if it takes more screen space. Also lack of option to make folders as clipping masks which I can do in csp. And the most annoying thing for me was the fact that if you do flip horizontially/vertically, it doesn't flip your view but the entire thing, and if you tap undo, it flips back instead of, for example, erasing a line you made before flipping. I know I might have just get used to it, but I hated it so much that I just got myself a csp on ipad for convenience. I bought ipad to bring it to school with me and it is not my primary device for drawing, since I prefer working on my pc in clip studio. Maybe I am just picky when it comes to programs, but everyone uses what they like and there is nothing wrong with it!

[@mothyfather]

hi!! im an android user so I uhh, don't have procreate! I use a program called Infinite Painter, which has a very similar style to procreate. I've been using the app since late 2020, so I've gone through most loops! Some issues I saw that aren't in IP is the cropping! I actually prefer the cropping, but sometimes I'lll shove a sketch into the void to delete it but it always comes back lol. Secondly, history. IP doesn't count layer filters or opacity as history. Finally, I love the filters in the app. Paintbrush and Gradient maps are so neat for coloring and blending!! Only downside really is the bigger your canvas, higher chance you may lag. (Could be my old tablet though.) My favorite feature though is the unlimited references you can have, and you can colordrop right from the image as well. Anyway, amazing video and have a great day!! ;-]

[@ventaccount9545]

For that last issue, I use my other hand to do the eye dropper. I draw with one hand and then with my hand that doesn’t do anything I do extra stuff like the taps and eye dropper and stuff

[@Star_Rattler]

I don't have an iPad, so I use Krita on my pc. I really like it because it's like if Photoshop was just for art. You can also do comics better there because they have formats just for comic making AND they have animation!