Toyota GR86 vs Subaru BRZ

[@grindertacos]

Bro causally switched from zee to zed

[@ProductReviewCars]

Seamless

[@Ctskates]

@@ProductReviewCarswhy is it called brZED is that just a British thing

[@malthesn]

​@@CtskatesZ can be pronounced in 2 different ways, I also say "zed"

[@OTPulse]

​@malthesn nah it's Zed, yanks just can't do English

[@14bqdonk]

​@@CtskatesBecause ZED is how Z *originally* pronounced

[@richardhoulton4016]

In Australia a manual GR86 is nearly $5K more expensive than a BRZ because of Toyota Australia’s decision to offer the manual & auto at the same price. The BRZ is the smarter choice.

[@subiesnacks8446]

5k is chump change when purchasing a new vehicle.

[@richardhoulton4016]

@@subiesnacks8446 It’s 10% difference

[@subiesnacks8446]

​@@richardhoulton4016now that its a percentage my mind has changed

[@acogzxin2963]

@@richardhoulton4016fr especially if it’s being financed that’s 10% on top of an already existing percentage of APR

[@jacksonboyd]

@@subiesnacks8446not when it’s a significant percentage difference

[@yeshwah]

couldn’t decide so i bought a miata

[@ProductReviewCars]

Excellent alternative

[@tizodd6]

M iata I s A always T he A nswer

[@leoephrem4889]

@@tizodd6too small

[@Nkb3283]

Basically: Why I want to buy the same car over the other same car

[@steezenx7399]

The suspension is actually different on both cars. Front knuckles are different and rear sway bar are mounted different. So the brz is a little softer and better for a daily

[@ExperiMentalDon]

I like that the 86 and the BRZ have the different front ends. The 86 looks like it's intently digging into the drive, while the BRZ is giggling because it's just having fun. Damn I really want one of these.

[@jordangordon2350]

I love that they're both great options that are slightly different. I personally prefer the BRZs looks, stability, WRBlue, but both are great cars

[@elpettywifi3081]

don’t forget market adjustment on the gr86! brz is always msrp

[@ProductReviewCars]

Not here in Aus lol

[@Stadkami]

i got my gr86 for msrp here in the states. Waited probably 2-3 months

[@GurenReroll]

Not true. There are Subaru dealerships marking this up. 3.5k was the highest from when I tried to buy one.

[@Jacccccccc]

Not here in LA

[@elpettywifi3081]

@@Jacccccccc got mine in sherman oaks, can vouch that LA does have msrp

[@Driftuner]

Did he just say that subaru made the brz more stiff? See people, thats why you cant listen to youtubers, they just dont know what they are talking about. The very only mechanical difference between both cars is the suspension, and the 86 is way stiffer than the brz. The sway bars on the 86 are not only thicker, but they are also mounted directly to the body of the car. On the brz the sway bars are thinner and mounted to the subframe of the rear diff. The sway bar ratio is also different: the brz has the same bar thickness front and back while on the 86 the rear bar is thicker than the front one. Hence why the 86 can hold drifts more precisely than the brz and the brz understeers a bit more. Plus, spring rates and valving are much stiffer on the 86, about 10-15% stiffer, front and back. That makes the brz the better everyday/long trip commuter and the 86 the better track day car...

[@ProductReviewCars]

Funny. All my research suggests the new gen 86 is the more soft on the rear. Proving this point wrong. Of course I should get them side by side and get underneath to really sus it out.

[@Driftuner]

​@@ProductReviewCarsmaybe what you found is that yes they did make it softer compared to last gen, because the chassis rigidity went up by a rdiculous 40%. But its only softer compared to last gen, not compared to the suby. On both gens the suby is always softer on the rear than the 86

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

Yep, which is why if I ever get one it'll be the BRZ, even though the 'yota looks better. I'd daily drive it and the comfort would be a key factor. I don't have a track within hundreds of miles.

[@ninjaknight-jn9ky]

The brz is the one with the chassis mounted swaybar it's also hollow.

[@jcrbama]

Subaru also used aluminum knuckles in the front suspension vs. Toyota using iron. The throttle mapping is just a bit different as well. The BRZ is more linear and the GR86 is more biased toward the top of the pedal travel. Small things that make them just a tiny bit different. The GR86 feels a bit more edgy and the BRZ feels a bit more balanced out.

[@paradoxgaming0407]

I just like the lil smile on the BRZ :)

[@H.K_R]

Don’t forget that the BRZ also comes with Subaru’s excellent EyeSight safety system, making it a safer daily driver.

[@spartanswill]

GR86 has the Toyota safety sense

[@RRtradestar]

Only if you make the mistake of getting A BRZ with the automatic transmission

[@digitalsmithy]

I would hate to have eyesight on my car, no thanks. A lot of ppl need it tho so I’m not against it. Half the reason I bought this car is how analog it is

[@creepynutsrl]

subaru is owned by toyota, both have the same tech and features

[@gary_beniford]

​@@creepynutsrlactually toyota only owns a fraction of subaru.

[@liamandrewartha4803]

New ts spec on the BRZ means better dampers, bigger brakes and a red accented interior ;)

[@_mark_787]

Keep it up, Bro🤙🏽

[@ProductReviewCars]

Cheers!! Appreciate it :)

[@Dominik189]

Honestly I'd take either, just don't forget to budget the unfuccing of the oil system with a dry sump one and a sump with an actual seal instead of silicone.

[@zayya5284]

For real, I hope they fix it in the facelift

[@Astartes7670]

The rtv is from the whole engine not just the one from the pan, better then nth i guess

[@Dominik189]

@@Astartes7670 so just budget a rebuild of the engine with proper MLS gaskets?

[@LurkingEveryday]

Bro for that price??? That’s a steal fr 😂

[@noahpickerill3749]

Woah the black and red interior is awesome! 😀

[@PhantomJetA9]

It looks very good in white, also the license plate slaps.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodjinx]

I've always loved the look of the 86's but the BRZs kinda grew on me too. Thankfully I'm a WRX guy so I don't have to make the choice cause I love them both

[@pawg206]

What’s cooler about the interior? 😂

[@eagle_2351]

As a subi fanboy, I dont have a choice. I also prefer the brz intrument cluster.

[@TrojanRabbit521]

Plus better dealership experience and if I have engine issues want Subaru to fix it.

[@AstroZombie1]

As a Toyota fan, I'd still get BRZ for the TS trim.

[@HazyTown01]

I keep hearing too much about RTV in the oil pickup to feel confident in getting one.

[@ProductReviewCars]

can fix in the aftermarket, but it's annoying af

[@EclipseLmao]

miata is the better pick 🗣️

[@z32luvr]

S2000 is way better but you can’t buy brand new.

[@EclipseLmao]

​​@@z32luvr I didn't mention that cz they don't make em any more lol, in the new budget jdm coupe scene miata takes it 🗣️

[@loco_mopowa_los]

In the USA Brz has the red seats while the gr86 is grey

[@iheartninja]

I was gonna say. I have a BRZ and it has the red accents, which is perfect because it matches my paint.

[@Dragon228833]

Wish mine came with that red interior. The black looks great but that red 😫

[@derekwong3471]

Side note on the BRZ : more robust front subframe and aluminum front knuckles.

[@devinw6332]

Wait.. isn’t stiffer better for getting sideways/drifting..?

[@dirkvantroyen9170]

I was confused by that too, I think he meant to say that the GR86 is stiffer (which it is)

[@sydneyNemesis101]

think he got mixed up lol

[@Wayfaringmusician]

He got mixed up. The GR is stiffer in the rear and more soft in the front than the BRZ. The trade off is the BRZ is slightly slower through cornering but grips the track better. The BRZ is also a more comfortable daily. I drove both and ended up with the BRZ. Love it. Just need to unfxxck the oil system.

[@alabdel1388]

Good reasoning, agree 100%

[@123parallax]

absolutely identical car other than the logo and some very minor differences in tuning. with toyota markups, crappy customer service, and no way to custom order, choosing brz over 86 is a no-brainer.

[@bserious8341]

Its the same car so comparing the two is just stupid. Ppl just rather the toyota bc its got a cooler name and toyota jdm badges. Front end is the only major difference and its based off opinion. Personally i like the longer nose on the brz

[@pseudonym5872]

No, it's not the same. Suspension mounts and tuning are different. BRZ is more compliant, 86 is stiffer. I bought a first-gen BRZ in 2022 just because I don't like the duck bill spoiler they switched to in the second-gen. Plus it was a really good buy - a 2016 with only 13.8k miles and a clean title.

[@bushgnome]

#1 IT LOOKS WAAAAY BETTER than the BRZ. But then again, I also really dislike the way the new WRX looks also. Like feminine subaru in the front, truck or suv on the side and straight honda civic in the rear.

[@13jeffandtrish]

Subaru doesn't give you a full spare tire at least not here in Canada

[@ProductReviewCars]

Sucks :(

[@vibingwithjoseph4100]

I miss and prefer the older look that the cars had they looked more aggressive and look better when fully customized with a kit

[@guesswho4327]

I still dont understand why there would be a Subaru motor in a Toyota car. It's like a BMW motor in the new Supras.

[@Bernievids]

“Your Mum likes to go sideways” (said like Kip).

[@ludicrousspeeds4938]

Where can you get a red interior? Black is the only option in the US.

[@eb5671]

Those reasons are exactly why I would choose the BRZ 😂

[@asherpangu]

Does it have better looking modern icons on the screen compared to stupid silly looking bubbles on Subaru?

[@WolFiendx]

my brz has a black and red interior whatchu smokin?

[@ProductReviewCars]

can't get a black and red interior like this on the new BRZ in Australia

[@lucienpetrus3851]

Go Toyota ..........Cape Town South Africa ❤

[@InfoumusMOBB]

I 100% agree. 86 does look better

[@VICEtown64]

Bro how much for this car and what do you think THIS car is recommended frt teen age

[@J.R.F.23]

One big reason why I would pick the BRZ (and did) over a GR86. Is because it’s a Subaru motor; if you need repairs on the engine… a Subaru mechanic specializes in boxer motors; a Toyota mechanic does not! Having a Toyota mechanic working on a Subaru motor is like having a knee surgeon, working on your spine.

[@DaManCave123]

this car is an amazing second car, but hyundai elantra n has the makings of a great first car, with 4 seats, practicality like heated seats, moonroof and obviously, fun! (it also has ambient lighting just saying)

[@superc910]

I would take the seats out the 86 and put it in the brz. Cause blue gots to go! Other than that, i would most definitely take the brz over the 86

[@KushTime420]

wouldnt a stiffer car make it easier to slide?

[@Partizan-one]

I miss the lava orange colour.

[@tye595]

That tired boxer. I know there's heaps of people who love them, but I think they're an old dated engine that are shit to work on. + gravity it begging it to have an oil leak with those cylinder heads

[@omerozer9667]

You know what i prefer the brz face with that smile the gr is Just too agressive and it looks like a screaming car

[@ProductReviewCars]

So strange. Because I'm the complete opposite.

[@_Ryder]

Wtf over here in US no red and black until tureno comes out which I’m waiting to buy I hope this December can’t wait for a 86 no more literally my dream car since I was 13

[@Moondoggy1941]

Funny I love the color blue and I found the Toyota has a better blue than Subaru's blue, and I love the blue on the WRX.

[@hirzaahmadmutahari6987]

wait gr86 didn't have spare tire? really?

[@Mathman420]

2024 Civic Si for me please.

[@hondacar]

I heard that the ride on the BRZ is more compliant than the GR86.

[@pseudonym5872]

It is. The suspension mounts are a bit different and the tuning of the shocks/struts, springs, and anti-roll bars is different.

[@CanesDent]

But will Toyota void your warranty for driving over 85 mph

[@severe28]

Actually like the BRZ interior more.🤷🏽‍♂️

[@ProductReviewCars]

Valid take

[@user-io5ol4vg6e]

Only bad thing about this cars is they are slow af, I have a 2017 86 and it’s fun to drive but too slow, that’s the only bad thing about it imo

[@Its_takaa]

My gr86 didn’t have a black and red interior option

[@ProductReviewCars]

😢

[@wills3491]

I bought the brz. It looks better than the gr86.

[@leisaben]

Agreed he’s like oh the 86 can have a red interior and my brz came with a better looking red and black interior stock anyway lol

[@katlegokomane3385]

The brz looks happy and I'm all for it

[@peterg2345]

That was my primary choice. That and that Toyota didn't even want to talk to me. Plus WR Pearl Blue is THE colour for this car.

[@bushgnome]

I like both but I'm team 86. Imo The 86 looks far sexier (if that's even a word)

[@AstroZombie1]

@@peterg2345 Plus they have the TS trim! I'd def get that if I get it brand new.

[@who_am_you]

My brz did not come with a spare, plus all the parts to change the spare are where the spare goes

[@speedfreakwrx5956]

No spare tire in the BRZ! Where would they even put it?

[@BRZTrackDays]

I believe he said no spare of the Toyota GR86. BRZ does come with a full size spare

[@speedfreakwrx5956]

@@BRZTrackDaysI have a 2023 and it does not have any spare tire! Only a fix a flat kit.

[@dystopia-usa]

The white/red lights/housings mounted at the lower rear between the tailpipes look cheap/tacky IMO.

[@user-mi3gq2fn4z]

bro said BRZ in the beginning and I was like something is not right here

[@loneokami6560]

In Europe the GR86 has an beautiful light blue color

[@ProductReviewCars]

I’m jealous

[@Torboy124]

And Canada

[@theodoresmith4371]

In America also

[@redbone971]

I have the light blue one in the US

[@elieberro5731]

Let me list facts the brz is more stable and is a better handling car just get the gr86 engine tune and front bumper for it and your good

[@darckR1]

Nah you choose because it's Toyota. Hips don't lie

[@nickjacobsss]

tbh this generation I think the brz has a SIGNIFICANTLY better looking front end, the 86 sharp edges look very cheap (to me)

[@BrandonAaskov]

“I’m going to pick the track-inspired sports car that has the nicer interior. Helps with go fast.”

[@savage3942]

You realize people are gonna go aftermarket for suspension regardless

[@savage3942]

And body kits are a thing too. Soo really your points are invalid

[@Burningdaylighter]

Went from saying br Z to seconds after br ZED ☠️

[@untheist5533]

Can a full size spare fit in the GR86 ?

[@Sinash1_]

Gr front grill looks like a new corolla

[@bign1667]

Can you put a spare tyre on the GR86?

[@d8o8m8]

In the uk it’s an easy choice because Toyota does 10 warranty.

[@agustinurbano]

I had 3 warranty covered rod knocks with an FRS but these cars are fuuuuuun and they break necks stock tbh, great daily I got a 2019 86 TRD special edition now, i love it and the last guy put a loud ass catted exhaust + kn filter + 91 octane from Shell + granny shift or downshift and it might pop and bang real nice lol When it blows up eventually I’m definitely gonna want a Honda or Toyota motor + tranny swap on the considerably low vs about $8,000 from Subaru

[@agustinurbano]

It was listed for like $17999 salvaged, 51k miles, vs about $30k with 20k in late 2022

[@user-sk4wf3ve6z]

The engine won't blow up if you just keep it well maintained,the only dodgy ones were the 2013/14 models.i have a 2015 with over 150k miles and I don't drive it sensibly haha

[@agustinurbano]

Oh yee! I had the 2013 one with the recall. It was driving better than ever before Toyota worked on it, then they were liable and under warranty for 3 rod knocks within like 5 months. got a refund on it so it was basically free. I felt sponsored. Good times lololol @@user-sk4wf3ve6z

[@Sinash1_]

Also Subaru has the mobile app you can use to turn on your car plus better interior

[@major.raytron]

I think the red interior is not available on right hand drive. That sucks.

[@CorneliusRushtie]

Great hairdressers car like the celica once was

[@ItsChris_tixn]

I would personally buy a bmw 228i for the same price and stage 2 it and it would have 300-400 horsepower, moral of the story BMW is more tunable

[@MrNotoa]

Toyota did the fuel injection on the motor because Subaru doesn’t know how to do it, so the motor is not all Subaru

[@caribbeangtr8077]

Doesnt the rear suspension on the GR86 use better parts like the control arms etc?

[@ProductReviewCars]

So I’ve heard

[@Shirehi]

I never understood the point of selling 2 of the same car with the same options through two different brands 😂

[@pseudonym5872]

Toyota owns part of Subaru, so they get to make money from both. They are separating development in the next version though.

[@malcolmdbz]

He's wrong, us subie gen 2's didn't get spares either. We got a bottle of fix a flat and a good luck letter

[@ProductReviewCars]

There's defs a spare in the 2023 BRZ...we review cars in Aus so might be different in other markets

[@zaidibk69]

GR 86 with a GR Yaris engine - that would be ideal!

[@ProductReviewCars]

That's the next one!

[@ninjaita1694]

For newer ones you gotta get the gr86, the gt86 (2020 or less I think) looks worse then the older brz

[@momane8434]

It’s the same car 🤷‍♂️

[@ProductReviewCars]

marginally different

[@NateBoulter]

What about the frs

[@alexisbarahona8975]

Hate when people call it brZed

[@SanusiAdewale]

1 week 1 girlfriend. Nice plate number

[@EA300_]

Id rather get a Supra

[@GGsGrave]

I got the BRZ there is NOT a spare in the back.

[@alecw5491]

subaru did not give me a spare for my 22 brz

[@brightenupcc]

This guy knows nothing about these cars.

[@Vorrimade]

perhaps an unpopular opinion but I much prefer the old GT86 / BRZ design its so iconic

[@ProductReviewCars]

that's fair

[@cyberwyvern6499]

My brz has the black and red interior

[@uidr]

Never buy brand new car buy used ones they drop in value soo fast.

[@hiro.exe_]

I couldn't decide so i made a but more money and got a m4comp xdrive

[@freespeach99]

The reasons have nothing to do with performance, handling driver centric design … just looks … LOL

[@Mukbang-w3v]

How much GR86 2024?

[@shredblue8536]

Who’s Zed?

[@Nogitsune_Yako]

Why they didn't use same engine as 370z...

[@user-fye8j8]

RTV problem is not solved, just take a look