Prof. Peter Brukner, Prof. Stephen Phinney & Prof. Grant Schofield - 'Q&A with Dr. Stephen Phinney'

[@beautifulgirl219]

Dr. Phinney is almost certainly the most astute metabolic teacher, researcher, and physician alive, and certainly the one I've learned the most from. A REAL treasure who is changing the world. Much respect Dr. P! An extremely discriminating mind.

[@wodzefag8062]

yes, but you really have to listen carefully I think he is not the best in explaining matters

[@rusy7406]

Would love to hear more re: Dr. Phinney's interactions with Ancel Keys

[@yakoobyasseen2539]

Three professors sharing access with their knowledge thank you all from Johannesburg South Africa 🇿🇦

[@EarmuffHugger]

I just finished a 9 day water & electrolyte fast & on the 7th, 8th & 9th day had to do alot of physical labor. I was very weak & took numerous breaks however my mind was extremely clear & focused. It was to clean my guts & break my sugar addiction. Well wishes to all👍

[@jimw6659]

Good luck and good health to you :)

[@jasminmcgovern5515]

Wow, that's impressive! Do you feel this has/will break your sugar addiction? Regards

[@EarmuffHugger]

@@jasminmcgovern5515 Thanks for asking. I haven't had any sugar or processed foods for 2 weeks today. I sleep alot if I work alot. I'm hoping I will become fat adapted soon. Well wishes to you.

[@ladyketurahinwaiting]

I have done week long fasts and 24 day fasts with water only and after 3 days there was no hunger and I felt fabulous! So much energy.

[@petermadany2779]

Dr. Phinney seems to caution about week long fasts becoming weak long fasts.

[@mb5able]

ok so apparently this guy fasted for 3 and a half weeks with literally no micronutrients/electrolytes seems legit

[@peterbeyer5755]

Prof Phinney is such a straight talker.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Depends on your goals and current metabolic health. As an old athlete with BMI 20.0 I do OMAD and limit my longer fasts to 44-hours.

[@Damudean]

I wouldn’t call a fast 44 hours. Until you get a full kick of autophagy you’re not in a fast state. But that’s just my thought

[@mistahtom]

Dr. Phinney knows what’s up. He’s consistent.

[@moiragoldsmith7052]

"Don't ask permission, ask forgiveness" 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@jimw6659]

The focus usually seems to be on the keto diet, but I would love to hear more specific talk on carnivore, particularly with respect to its effects on arthritis.

[@trianglejudoclub5873]

After 7 months my own experience was very positive. Off all painkillers now, age 64. Don't like to use the words "diet" or "carnivore" I have adopted a meat and fat dominant lifestyle including eggs and some dairy but not much dairy. Older active people I think need two or three meals daily for more constant protein provision but that is just me experience. I have resting blood pressure 100/64 and heart rate 57 bpm blood sugar a constant 5.6 mml Feeling great! Best of luck.

[@yuliasoboleva8498]

thank you all for this wonderful show

[@Ariella-mx3xq4cw6n]

At 76, if I could still eat, and only had 2 months to live, I would be enjoying myself eating that forbidden ice cream, chocolate, pavlova, plus of course meat, bacon, butter, and eggs. Forget any vegetables, never been fond of those. 😁😁

[@jobl5505]

Liked his honest answer on following the Diabetes money. Pity about the focus on money for health tho.

[@lamo1724]

I have an, as yet, undiagnosed auto immune condition that's responsible for my hypertension, CKD, irritable skin / bowl and fibromyalgia. My Rheumatologist has encouraged me to continue with a keto diet and IF. My hand grip is very low and my joints scream at me, especially during a flare up when the fluid retention and serum CK levels increase. Today, I'm on Day 7 of a water fast although I've been continuing my fibre supplements so I can take my daily meds and if I eat a small chunk of cucumber with sea salt on to help stave off cramps (i don't drink tea or coffee and ive not made any bone broth whilst the weather's been warm!). It's Day 7 and I feel amazing!!! I'm having my bloods and urine analysed tomorrow so I'll let you know how I get on. But for now, I'm not hungry, I'm not suffering photo sensitivity, my hay fever symptoms aren't causing me concerns, my joints don't hurt and I've lost 4kg / 8cm from my waist xxx

[@lamo1724]

Anyway, on Monday i had my bloods and urine tested after a 7 day fast. For the first time since 2011, i do not have haematuria! My albumin/creatinine ratio went from 6.5% to 0.7%! My glucose is always in low normal levels because ive stayed away from the many carbs that trigger IBS. But i saw a further drop, from 35 mmol to 34. All my electrolytes are in the normal range, which again is an improvement because my serum urea and serum potassium have been rollercoaster-ing for the last 3 years. Finally, my triglycerides have improved from 3.3 mmol to 0.6 mmol!! How do i feel? Well, i feel GREAT! Ive been able to literally skip out of bed every morning. Thank you to my Rheumatology Consultant who pointed me in the direction of Dr Fung and IF. I feel im in control of my wellbeing and i WILL be well again soon xxx

[@geopietro]

Does anyone know a link to the study Dr. Phinney mentioned about protein requirements for those on a ketogenic diet? He said that those persons need 1.5 grams per kg of weight. Thank you.

[@petermadany2779]

Good question! I also want to know whether it makes a difference whether those grams of protein come from eggs/roe, meat/fish/dairy, or plants. I've heard that plant-based protein is only about 17% bioavailable for tissue building whereas most meat/fish/dairy is ~30% and perhaps eggs/roe could be upwards of 50% I don't know if the following will answer your question, but I recall it was enlightening both times I watched it: Dr. Peter Ballerstedt - 'When is 'Protein' NOT Protein?' kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4e8aYyEnaqjjtk

[@carnivore-muscle]

It was a study by him and Volek I believe. Easy to find with simple search terms 👌🏼

[@Damudean]

1.5-2 is a good call, depending on your personal and physical needs

[@starius1154]

Has anyone asked about exogenous ketones in use for epilepsy? The diet was started for epileptic patients. Curious what the exogenous form would do if anything.

[@jolantagoetter6224]

I don’t know about others but I feel good after 2/3 days fasting. And I do that if I feel unwell, either cold/flu or just something else… But if I try to go beyond that I start feeling dizzy and weak. I’m 61. I like my carnivore power at the gym. So, that is that 😊

[@paulreesor8200]

Seems like "Long Covid" is mostly peopl WHO took the shots and it's most likely the effects of the shots. That's the purpose of the shots after all.

[@theskyehiker]

What? Your comment makes no sense. The purpose of vaccines is to prevent one from getting a particular disease. In my group of friends, all of whom have had all the available vaccines, of those who eventually got Covid, none have had serious cases and none have had long Covid.

[@Bonnie-Lewis-Australia]

Yes it’s obvious - I was at a talk by Dr Aseem Malhotra in Sydney last week- i recommended looking him up if you don’t know him

[@edwardlandmichl7622]

1000% agree! 👍For your comment

[@gribbler1695]

@@Bonnie-Lewis-Australia Malhotra is a crackpot. Ref: Article by cardiologist Aseem Malhotra made unsupported claims about the benefits and risks of COVID-19 vaccination

[@jeannedigennaro6484]

The doctor hinted at, but did not explain, that fertility goes up on ketogenic diets. See Dr. Kiltz.

[@BR-hi6yt]

Fasting seems so bad for me - mentally - because a couple of days AFTER the fast, I get an irresistible urge to binge eat. Tried it 4 times now and got four binge-eat sessions (which I enjoyed-lol). So not for me but others seem to thrive on it ...

[@whlawson5812]

Sticking to 16 hours of daily intermittent fasting might suit you better?. 🤔🤔🤔 Regards.

[@jobl5505]

I like Dr. Phinney, I take what he says seriously. But no religiously. He presents as someone who doesn’t like to be wrong. He is of the evangelical side of diets - nothing wrong with that. I experienced his take on fasting longer than 2 days. I lost considerable muscle after 4/5 days (water fasts) which I did a couple of. For me 2 days plus water fast and time restriction works well. I wish I could do longer fasts but hey ho.

[@lamo1724]

I have an, as yet, undiagnosed auto immune condition that's responsible for my hypertension, CKD, irritable skin / bowl and fibromyalgia. My Rheumatologist has encouraged me to continue with a keto diet and IF. My hand grip is very low and my joints scream at me, especially during a flare up when the fluid retention and serum CK levels increase. Today, I'm on Day 7 of a water fast. I've been continuing my fibre supplements so I can take my daily meds and if I eat a small chunk of cucumber with sea salt on to help stave off cramps. It's Day 7 and I feel amazing!!! I'm having my bloods and urine analysed tomorrow so I'll let you know how I get on. But for now, I'm not hungry, I'm not suffering photo sensitivity, my hay fever symptoms aren't causing me concerns, my joints don't hurt and I've lost 4kg / 8cm from my waist xxx

[@milantoth2045]

amazing 🙏

[@wigglywrigglydoo]

Can you please help us clear up the grey area where it's said that MCT oil for ketone, coconut oil and olive oil for cooking are good for us? What about sitosterolemia and the tendency of red blood cells to impair its ability to unfold, after exposure to plant cholesterol?

[@chrisminifie219]

Good question. I happen to have been thinking about this today myself. I think that the oils you mention are way better than common seed oils like canola and cotton seed oil, but I came to the conclusion that to be on the safe side I will stick to animal fats myself. If you want to avoid animal fats then coconut oil, avocado oil and olive oil would be very good alternatives

[@ekondigg6751]

MCT (medium chain triglyceride) is an oil with a composition that the liver can very easily make ketones out of. So if you consume it, even in a relatively high carb diet, the liver will still produce ketones. Good in a therapeutic diet, but in normal low-carb/keto, it's pointless to do that. Coconut oil contains a majority of saturated fat while olive oil contains a majority of mono-unsaturated fat (omega 9). So both avoid the two issues of rapid oxidation and a large omega 3/6 imbalance, that seed oils have.

[@vernonkuhns3561]

When you talk about fasting, are you referring to real water only or cheat fasting with fats or other nutrients in low amounts??

[@lana1065]

Normally that would be water fasts. Consumption of nutrients doesn't constitute a fast

[@Astronurd]

They are talking about water only fasts.

[@Bonnie-Lewis-Australia]

I take NAC AND GLYCINE daily as well as eat mainly meat - never felt better - don’t even get a sniff of a cold or the flu even when everyone is dropping around me - glycine is important as if you eat too much lean meat you don’t get the connective tissue cartilage etc and it offsets too much thiamine which is always the criticism of carnivore diets

[@smooth_pursuit]

Too much thiamine? I’ve never heard that, who says that??

[@JoniBurtKnapps]

How much NAC /glycine do you use per day?

[@Hoojammyflip]

"...Same job Homer Simpson had right? ... " LOL 🤣

[@engc4953]

I think the question about APOE4 was about Alzheimer’s and not about LMHR.

[@MikePashko]

Do you know who donate for studies on depression, bipolar disorder and the ketogenic diet?

[@1eingram]

So the fasting studies conflict with the theory that "we won't lose lean mass because we wouldn't have survived".

[@adelarsen9776]

You thought Stalin was bad and along came Ancel Keys.

[@karenohanlon4183]

Regarding fasting why would the body who has spare fat use lean body mass. Ancestors would have had fast and feasting sessions.

[@dachag1452]

When was this recorded?

[@mikeward9870]

It would be nice to know what proteins are being broken down: are they from disfunctional structures (as autophagy proponents suggest ;^). I'm not sure many fasting proponents suggest month long fasts (without close medical supervision ;^). It would also be nice to know how Prof Phinney feels about 3-day and 5-day fasts.

[@Damudean]

Why would you loss body mass when you have fat. Unless I guess you break down protein in the muscles for repairing?

[@Lee-he2qp]

Because you don’t just eat for energy, protein contains different nutrients than fat

[@sjurea]

Maybe check the vegetable protein isolates have sufficient essential amino-acids.

[@Pietari55]

The Long COVID, how many suffering that has been earlier infected been vaccinated?

[@Norman_Gunstan1]

❤

[@charlestoast4051]

@30 min - how to avoid answering a question.

[@زنكي]

He confuse me with his imperial system.

[@jobl5505]

He fudged the APOE4 question - me thinks it was more to do with fear of getting it wrong rather than what he would prescribe. I would rather he would have just said I don’t know, because he obviously doesn’t !

[@lana1065]

Any research into "covid" is meaningless if people's "vaccination" status is not taken into consideration. Poisoning the body would be a major factor in the severity and duration of any illness post-shot

[@AceKinG2024]

He lacks knowledge in fasting. Btw, I dry fast

[@kathya1956]

how can we use low carb to make money? that's all that's on their minds

[@charlestoast4051]

@6:00 or so, Phinney doesn't make sense. He already said you don't start losing lean mass until after two days fasting - but then he says it will take you five days to recover the lean mass lost after two days fasting - therefore five days to gain zero mass?

[@JanOhlhorst]

I guess he meant "recovering" the weight loss.

[@ekondigg6751]

Seem perfectly clear to me: after losing lean mass from (prolonged) fasting, it takes considerably longer to regain the lost lean mass than the time it took to lose it.

[@ketolomics]

Phinney seems like he's becoming a Virta spokesperson rather than open to multiple strategies and hypotheses. Fasting is not part of Virta. Therefore, he can't endorse fasting. Worse, he will share some out of context findings on the risks of starvation, implying that 5 day fasts do more harm than good - which he definitely does not demonstrate. Worse, he will not comment on any of the fasting (as opposed to starvation) research. Look, I get it: he's a Virta man. For him, Virta is now "the way." High cost lifetime subscription services. Other approaches must be dismissed. Other research must be ignored. Unfortunate, because he is the one who influenced Jeff Volek to do all of those amazing ketogenic diet trials. Volek moved the dial. Phinney seems to want to build boundaries around Virta. Ironically, David Unwin is getting perfectly fabulous results without Virta's high cost subscription model. Whom do you trust for accurate information and advice?

[@karenohanlon4183]

David Unwin is a wonderful physician. I love his count the teaspoon of sugar chart.

[@erickkiessling5570]

I was impressed that he went up from endorsement of twenty four hour fast.

[@espinosalexis]

Why VIRTA seems to be hiding results/data from their 5year study?, that's the question I would ask to Dr. Phinney! VIRTA published: 1 Year) lot's of peer reviewed papers and conferences with amazing results. No rebound of biomarkers and weight after 1 year. Many graphs with amazing data frequency (at least 1 data point per week, 52 data points per year). 2 year) Less peer reviewed papers/conferences. Data frequency in their graphs dramatically reduced to 1 data point PER YEAR. So their graphs had only two points + the starting mark. Clearly they were trying to hide the obvious rebound of biomarkers and weight. 3 Year) Less peer reviewed papers/conferences. And they are so difficult to find. Not even in their website. Graphs/plots with poor amount of data points. 4 Year) I'm not being able to find any peer reviewed paper or even a technical report from Virta. No info in their website. 5 Year) I'm not being able to find any peer reviewed paper or even a technical report from Virta. No info in their website. This is very weird and make me suspect about the transparency of VIRTA. Dietary space lacks of long term studies and it is surprising that VIRTA is hiding results from their very important long term trial.