Oris caliber 400 Technical Review

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

Two things happened after watching this video: 1- subscribed; 2- Bought an AquisPro Date Calibre 400.

[@t-leaf9562]

Would love to see this sort of analysis more often Possibly for Tudor's in-house calibers

[@PROWATCHES]

Good suggestion, we'll look into analyzing one

[@alamore5084]

Good suggestion, would be interested to see.

[@PROWATCHES]

We're working on setting up a Tudor technical review

[@jeremyjangali6784]

As a fellow watchmaker, this was very informative to me. You do very well with conveying information to people who may not be as educated as you. 👍

[@ReneArtoisMr]

I have owned this watch for about 5 month’s, I bought it in november 2020. The watch is beautiful and it is highly accurate. I didn’t bother about the minute hand jump because there is an easy work around and the watch is so accurate. But, there is a major flaw in this caliber that is never mentioned. I owned 2 copies of this watch and in both the caliber was replaced because of the same issue. My first copy worked fine for about 4 weeks, then I discovered that the rotor was blocked. The caliber was replaced by an new one which showed the same problem after 4 days! Then my dealer provided me with a brand new watch. This copy worked fine for again about 3-4 weeks, until the rotor blocked. The watch was sent to the factory and after a few weeks I got it back with a new caliber. This latest version again stopped after about 4 weeks. In the end I got my money back because I was fed up. According to my dealer Swiss watch makers never admit when they suffer from technical problems, but unofficial it’s admitted to me that I am not the only one. The problem is that the rotor in some occasions wiggles a little to much and gets stuck. It happens for example when you wipe your hands after washing them. The rotor always gets stuck in exactly the same position. I made videos from all occasions, which was good because I could prove I was right. In some occasions the rotor starts moving again, for example when you tick the watch against a wooden table or so. At this moment I can not recommend this caliber, I’m sorry. I would recommend to wait buying one, until Oris releases an updated version. You can still use the watch if you don’t mind winding it every few days, but that is not why you buy an automatic watch for daily use.

[@PROWATCHES]

We didn’t have the watch long enough to observe this phenomenon but if it is a common problem we're sure Oris will develop a solution.

[@ReneArtoisMr]

I think you’re right. It’s important for Oris to make this caliber a success. However, if you like me a few months ago, are looking for a new watch, you end up watching reviews from so called watch experts, who create a highly romantic atmosphere around a new watch or a brand. However buying a brand new caliber like this one is a risk. Fortunately I had a very decent dealer who did everything to solve the problem, but could do nothing more than give me my money back. I bought it for daily use, I am not a collector. Keep in mind that calibers with a serial number below 11.100 (~March 2021) are suspicious.

[@PROWATCHES]

There are a number of so-called publications that create only marketing content disguised as editorial. It's a really sad practice. The Watchonistas of the world.

[@ReneArtoisMr]

@@PROWATCHES I understand what you mean, “Watchonistas” is the right term.

[@luispaglia4480]

I got this watch for about 4 month, I didn’t observe any problem , and I am very rough with this watch, working with tools, swimming, using when I am doing carpenter work, so far ,nada.

[@jonathansaraco]

Absolutely amazing video. I'm so happy that a qualified watchmaker has taken such a big deep dive into the calibre 400. Most talk around this watch either ignores the movement issues entirely, or calls it an abomination. So a nice level headed exploration of the issues was very much appreciated. And I'm happy that it's something Oris could very easily fix with a revision.

[@PROWATCHES]

Glad to hear you like the format and thank you for your feedback.

[@davekilo8297]

@@PROWATCHESgood morning, is there any way to contact you please ?

[@denniscohle3786]

Wow man thanks for your great review of this caliber! You deserve 100 times the subscribers!

[@ast453000]

A watch video that's actually informative, and not just advertising. I can't believe it.

[@b.vonschnauser207]

It's super interesting to get a technical view under the hood from someone who repairs and maintains these wonderous micro-machines. Really well-done video!

[@PROWATCHES]

Thank you for your feedback. We are not to the point that we can do these weekly or monthly, but we do have a new one starting production this week!

[@manzig79]

Well done Jordon, great job in your description making it very enjoyable

[@PROWATCHES]

Thank you

[@alphaofalphas8121]

I love this sort of analysis, so refreshing to get a true expert's POV.

[@TimothyBarson]

As someone with practically no technical knowledge about watch movements this was atill very interesting to watch.

[@fredoakes7441]

Oh man...so glad I found this video...i had not heard of this problem with setting the time on the cal 400...my oris cal 400 will be here Thursday and now I can set it correctly and precisely. Thanks alot!!

[@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000]

How did you get on with it?

[@roberttee4807]

Thank you for this really interesting and brilliant video. That kind of content is a great addition to all the unboxing and design review content on KZbin. Please go ahead and continue with that kind of sharp analysis of the inner life of watches. Greatings from Germany

[@PROWATCHES]

Thank you for the feedback, we greatly appreciate it and intend to do more of these

[@technologist1412]

Great advice on backing up the crown to avoid the jumping minute hand when setting the time. I have the Caliber 400 in my Collective Horology Diver 75, and it does not jump. However in my IWC Spitfire, it does. Now I know how to work around it. Thanks very much 😃👍

[@chuckc042000]

Thanks for the excellent overview and detail. I was “briefly” on the fence - had heard about the hand jump but quickly found this video. I ultimately purchased the watch just a few days ago. I find the hand jump situation to be a non issue. It is a design trait- somewhat charming even - it makes the movement imperfectly perfect in my opinion.

[@PROWATCHES]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@swimgc]

Awesome job by the Master Watchmaker. Thoroughly enjoyed the format and explanation and expertise.

[@Mile-long-list]

Thank you for this ! I appreciate your point of view and technical knowledge

[@johnleonard3806]

Excellent discussion. Didn't think I would listen to the entire presentation but I was wrong. Very informative, interesting and insightful.

[@davefox8948]

I wore a inexpensive but nonetheless well made 1st gen Invicta 9937 with the ETA 2824 for over 10 years. It also jumped if you didn’t relax the crown before pushing it in. This wasn’t a real issue and the watch itself was so accurate I could go months without having to reset it. Unfortunately, It was nicked from my carry on while rushing through airport security a few years ago. I never replaced it but I’m thinking this new Oris might be the one. Great video. It’s good to get a true experts point of view. Thanks !!

[@kulasnikov3875]

I’m glad I found this video, because of this I’m buying one.

[@istvantoth7431]

Haha, for me it's the opposite. I am glad that this guy saved me from buying this watch...

[@kulasnikov3875]

@@istvantoth7431 Watch the video, dumbazz!!!

[@tomsmith9914]

If you’re ‘into watches’ you should be ‘into technical videos’ of this nature. This gentleman’s insight, honesty and unbiased opinion matters. Well done. Thank you.

[@soulg1969]

Is the newer Oris caliber 403 different in any way than the 400?

[@Ziogeppo00]

Superb review! Rich in details that only a watchmaker can talk about. Really a compelling video.

[@PROWATCHES]

Glad you liked it and it's true that intricate technical watch details are often best explained by watchmakers

[@MagnumMuscle1000]

What a fantastic video! Jordan is extremely knowledgeable and well spoken, and has a perfect delivery for this type of analysis. Very well done.

[@christhorne7565]

Awesome video, in a world where a watch release is accompanied by 7 videos regurgitating the specs with some sexy B roll, this is very refreshing and valuable! As for Oris, I’m a big fan. I really like what they’re doing these days, true to themselves and genuinely interesting. Maybe they’re still finding their feet in the in house movement game but that’s fine by me, exciting things to come in the next few years I hope.

[@EverydayWatchGuy]

Excellent overview of this new Oris caliber! Thanks for the video.

[@antonjakobsson7379]

I really like this style of video, so many other watch channels do not talk about the movements like this. Really good stuff, keep it up.

[@ansonchung5718]

Great Video to explain the issue of the new caliber and how to fix it, thank you.

[@harrycee656]

Great video. I love this channel!! I will still wait for 400 rev1.1, because calibers won't get the update till service 10yrs later.

[@Raph.Bogaert]

I want to buy an Oris Aquis Cal 400, this video was very very very informative and makes me want to buy the watch even more. :) Let's hope they fix the jumping minute hand issue, but I'm already happy with the solution you bring.

[@jackng1555]

This video is great and thanks for providing such detailed explanation around how the minute jumping issue happened! Would have been better if there was a zoom in slow motion so that we could see a bit clearer on how the gear affects the minute hand. I just ordered my hodinkee diver 65 and can’t wait to play around with this new caliber 400

[@ngengkwee4149]

Subscribed. Informative video, unlike those who don't know about watches and just only talking about watch appearance and common people hearsay. Well done. Keep it up.

[@PROWATCHES]

Thanks for your feedback and for subscribing.

[@larryhowards]

Thanks so much for this video! Awesome to learn about the 400 movement 🙏

[@gavinhougham841]

First time here and I just love that you explain the WHY about the technology! Very interesting! Thanks so much!

[@PROWATCHES]

Jordan is the former Executive Director of the AWCI, which means he's not only a master watchmaker but also a teacher of watchmakers!

[@tony_1883]

Wow, what a video. Me as amateur highly appreciates such stuff. Oris caliber 400 is very nice watch and I consider buying it. Have a great day.

[@anthonyonline4740]

Extremely well explained. I really appreciate this presentation.

[@user-ik5mn8qv5z]

I work both as salesperson but also as a watchmaker and this is a huge help to understand the mechanism and gives me confidence to recommend this watch to customers. I had hard time recommending this watch to customer since the issues you have addressed but now I’m confident to recommend this watch to those who want good divers watch. Thanks for the share!

[@marcoferraguto]

Thank you for this really well done and explanatory video! I would like to ask you what you think of the solidarity of the 400 caliber movement from bumps or barrels and how much its maintenance can cost (complete overhaul after 10 years). Congratulations! Marco

[@Watchtrain]

This was fantastic. I also appreciate the opportunity to get to know Jordan a bit since he is putting together a couple of watches for me via Cincinnati Watch Company. Very nicely done.

[@andi.t6666]

Great analysis, thank you for it. It ist hard to understand wether Oris should detected the jumping minute hand during their test cycles and then fix it before delivering to the market?

[@MrAumbra]

I can’t believe it took me this long to find this channel. Great review. Thank you for taking the time to educate me. Looking forward to more of these reviews.

[@fredrickwerstein546]

Jordan excellent video and assessment of the Oris 400 movement. Your knowledge and presentation are most appreciated for us watch lovers who wish to educate ourselves. Keep up he good work/videos!

[@LoneWolf-qk9pl]

WOW ! Most excellent and informative review. Aquis 400 caliber is on my short list. Thank You.

[@PROWATCHES]

Glad it was helpful!

[@sliu888]

Subbed! I really enjoyed the discussion about silicon. Yes it's fascinating how human could make chips from silicon with such high precision for such low prices.

[@OPP841]

When fully wound, the crown will stop it from wounding or it just stiffen but still able to wound? Because if just stiffen it might cause overwound

[@josephstratti52]

Thank you for this explanation of the the minute movement when the crown and stem is pulled.I was looking for a view of the keyless works and this was just what I needed.I think the teeth need to be straight cut wolf teeth and be better of with a plain intermediate gear style system.As you pointed out this has been worked out long ago with chronograph movements.I have venus 175 Valjour 7750 and Lemania 1341 chronograph movements that don’t have this problem.I would never buy an Oris watch with this movement because of that fault ( I deem it a fault) and am not a fan of Bobby pins that are used to secure the rotor.I have refitted rotors that have been knocked of ETA 2893 movements that have more purchase than on that sprung loaded rotor.I will be counted wrong if that securing clip passes the test of time.As always it is risky to putting a new calibre out and also risky being an early buyer of a new one.Thank you for the excellent review,I will be watching this calibre and hope it proves reliable for those who have put up with the Wiggles.

[@Tuneitupful]

Jordan, thank you for a well thought out and informative review. Subscribed 🙂

[@slimpickering1699]

Thanks for the detailed and knowledgeable review. I’m going to be waiting for a revised 400 that winds more efficiently on the wrist.

[@LosRelojesdeSergio]

Hello, you have some wonderful shots, what camera model do you use? , Thank you

[@dominickcolasanto6582]

Enjoyed the caliber 400 deep dive. Appreciated the in depth explanation and opinions on the particular design features. Gladly subscribed and look foward to seeing more movements explored.

[@larolarore9673]

Hi how I know that may Otis 400 full winding if I winded manually thank you

[@leemartin2978]

Absolutely fantastic, informative, eloquent , great explanations as to what’s going on and how relative things are in relation to items in the industry. Immediately subscribed. It’s always refreshing listening to a genuine expert 👏

[@klock379]

Thank you for your easy-to-understand explanation, and the in-depth analysis on their innovation. Subscribed so I won’t miss similar content from you.

[@PROWATCHES]

Thank you for the subscription and feedback

[@Phil-p7p]

Brilliant review. Much appreciated. Hope to see more in the future!

[@PROWATCHES]

Thanks, we intend to produce more!

[@rabtrekker]

A very interesting deep dive into the movement, thank you. Since I use a desk stand to place my watch on in order to do my job, I the poor auto wind efficiency puts me off for now. Putting things into context and understanding that all new movements have issues so soon enough Oris will I'm sure address these teething problems. Get it, teething problems...(giggling ensues)

[@provuksmc6619]

Than you for the effort u put Into this video and for sharing your expertise!

[@davidthomson5507]

Brilliant video Jordan. Did you ever come up with a theory as to why there was lubrication applied to the silicon? In your opinion, would it make any difference to the performance of the movement if the silicone lubrication was omitted?

[@kombo731]

You jumped to the top of my list of people I'd like to have lunch with.

[@josetorrano]

Thanks 🙏 ..! nice to see the issue from inside... giving a better understanding.

[@anthonystevens8683]

Thank you very much for this video, a balanced technical look a a new movement. Information was very well articulated so even I could understand it. A decision to design and implement a new movement is an expensive one to say the very least. This is impressive but not perfect as a lot of new products tend to be in those early stages. It's great to see that modern thought has gone into this with regard to cost and service as well, good DFM (design for manufacture). As for the lubrication? Maybe this is back stop should the silicon components wear a tad given this movement has a 10 year service and warranty, it would maybe run dry after some years anyway. The hand jump isn't an issue for me as I've always (not sure why, mechanical sympathy maybe) backed off the crown a little before pushing it home. A fix would be nice but ultimately with the crown back off does not affect the timekeeping.

[@MrStruggleforlife]

I am hearing that the calibre 400 movement has been updated: a heavier rotor and a fix for the jumping minute hand. It is hard to find information on this though.

[@stevenbutler9029]

I have the watch and I do not get 5 days of power reserve. So, starting from no power, stopped, if I wind the watch about 20 turns, then wear it for say 8 to 10 hours, it may not be running by late morning the next day. As you mentioned, this is a problem for others as well. Thank you for your honest review.; you explained the issue.

[@igormoloko1]

Great stuff, learnt something new about movements ;) . Looking forward to your next video. Keep it up.

[@PROWATCHES]

Glad to hear and thank you for watching

[@dvpemberton]

Thanks for all of the work you've put into this video. Just subscribed. Are you planning on exploring the new 403?

[@PROWATCHES]

Something from another brand that starts with an "O" is coming next.

[@Daavi85]

Very interesting and informative to see this detailed in depth overview from a watch makers perspective, awesome!

[@andrestenstrup1042]

Does the watch wind clockwise ? If on a watchwinder would you set the turns pr day to 900 or 1.200 ?

[@danielmelendez9943]

Any chance you will do testing on sellita movements for Sinn watches any time soon?

[@jsmctch]

The Swiss Tech clone has more back lash in the gear set. It eliminates the problem of the hand jumping. You sacrifice that nice fitting gear set but eliminate an issue inexpensively. Otherwise the smaller gear would have to come away straight rather than on an angle as it does.

[@1ossi11ossi1]

Awesome review of this movement! Honest and very professional👍 Thank you!

[@rahbor]

Thank you fort this outstanding Review!

[@hiburn8]

amazing video. thank you for taking the time to make it :)

[@reinaldoremedios5771]

Great video. Much needed, I would say, since they are many other channels that take care of the “other aspects” of the watch. I think you nailed it on this review. The caliber 400 has a lot of credit to it and it will get better over time. I haven’t have the opportunity to have one in my hand but I guess that moving the hands clockwise offers a higher resistance that produces an unintended amount of energy being stored while setting the time “going forward”. That produces the snap that we appreciate as a jump in the minute hand. Passing the intended time and bringing the minute hand backwards solves the issue because first, it releases the tension stored in the wheel and second, the drag going backwards is significantly less. Anyway, great movement, great watch and great review.

[@AndyAdventuring]

I think the time jump is ultimately going to find itself as an appealing quirk collectors will remember vexingly but also fondly about this watch.

[@imranchowdhury4972]

Excellent discussion to pay attention. However I found it more interesting where you discussed about silicon escapement. Swiss watch industry had been ripping off customer for a long time and this is no exception. Sadly no one talks about it. I appreciate that you brought this point. But regarding the Caliber 400 what surprises me that even after launching in more than a year a company like Oris could not solve this issue and rather trying to feed the movement through some lousy and dishonest KZbinrs. They should have resolved this issue and later release the watch. Thank you once again.

[@darcos7535]

There is a 400-2 version out now. It would be great if you could test the winding with the new version.

[@PROWATCHES]

Some time after this review, Oris stopped communicating with Professional Watches, likely in retaliation for this video. We've not heard of a version 400-2 and assume letting consumers know about factual caliber 400 technical issues offended the company despite our report being highly objective

[@darcos7535]

@@PROWATCHES that's too bad. There is a clear lack of critical watch reviewer, bar a few. Most are just after free merchandise, so don't want to be honest. If I were them, I would have sent you a new cal 400 to review.

[@jimscott306]

Very informative, thank you! I shared this with the Oris Watch Club Facebook group. Take care!

[@PROWATCHES]

Much appreciated, thanks for sharing!

[@markpuestohl]

Very informative and interesting video. Would love to see more videos with this guy.

[@PROWATCHES]

Thank you. In the works!

[@theonlyredspecial]

Glad to see I’m not the only one who wears an Apple Watch for health and fitness on the right wrist and a nice watch on the left ! ❤

[@arzemagic]

This is the first video I watched with you and I must admit I’m very impressed informative and interesting thank you very much

[@dxmwatch]

thank you for this vid! the explanation is phenomenal. we are an authorized dealer in taiwan for ORIS, is it possible for me to use the content of the video in our channel ? References will be included! appreciated.

[@PROWATCHES]

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[@dmantziaras]

Thank you so much for this beautiful review. Although I am not an expert at all, I think I understood almost everything in it. I already own an ORIS AQUIS CLIPPERTON with the Oris 733, base SW 200-1 calibre. I am really very happy with it, both the design of the watch and the precision of the time-keeping. Actually, I have noticed that the watch is like “a living thing”. When I do not wear it, it loses some seconds per day,... but when I wear it, it gains them back. It is like saying to me: “do not let me without wearing me”...!!! If possible, I would like to ask you for a review for this calibre (Oris 733, base SW 200-1), and also for another one... the GRAND SEIKO SBGM221 (calibre 9S66). It is also a very beautiful watch and I would very much like to hear about its “heart” before consider purchasing it... Thank you, in advance. Greetings from Greece

[@PROWATCHES]

We appreciate your feedback and will look at covering both the Sellita SW 200-1 and the caliber 9S66

[@dmantziaras]

@@PROWATCHES thank you very much for your direct answer. I look forward for these reviews... and of course I will be following you on other reviews. Have a good day.

[@alamore5084]

I really appreciate the way you explain the movement, how and why it works. I have subscribed to this channel educate myself. Thank you.

[@larsstougaard7097]

Great review, I'm a little surprised Oris has released this movement with the jumping hand, but if it's your daily watch or you do the "hack" the problem should be minimal. Though I would personally buy the old aquis version, that is like 30 % cheaper than the new one.

[@PROWATCHES]

We were a little surprised as well, considering the known issues, although as Jordan (the watchmaker in this video) wrote in his very popular recent "ETA vs. Sellita" article on PW www.professionalwatches.com/eta-vs-sellita/, when the Sellita SW-200 came out it had issues and was updated with the SW-200-1, which is common with new calibers.

[@larsstougaard7097]

@@PROWATCHES Thanks, good to know.

[@poppoppy6946]

Quality video, but unfortunately I'm still not sure on a purchase with Oris

[@brandonspencer309]

Would you recommend this watch (specifically the Cal.400) as a sports watch; for golf,tennis,,,,,, volleyball even? I know it is a dive watch but I would love some options on this topic! I own one and a very light bump and I looked down and it stopped the balance wheel,,,, I’m hoping that this was just a fluke and isn’t a sign that the watch needs to be babied…. If it does then I guess it is to the fake Rolex store for a play watch….. Love to hear any advice!!

[@PROWATCHES]

Would not recommend those sports for this watch

[@agentnemo]

hi great vid, have you seen the 400-2 version?

[@DM-rc4yu]

Very interesting analysis, thanks. Flaws like these are not acceptable IMO at those prices, new movement or not.

[@ΚΩΣΤΑΣΠΑΡΑΒΑΤΟΣ]

BRILLIANT VIDEO !!! MANY CONGRATS TO YOU !!!

[@j744ja718]

Good afternoon, thank you for all your videos and reviews. I have a question on the Oris caliber 400. When winding, how do I know when to stop, or when it's fully wound?

[@PROWATCHES]

You will feel the tension become very tight

[@j744ja718]

@@PROWATCHES excellent thank you!

[@j744ja718]

@@PROWATCHES Feels like it is taking 5 minutes to wind this watch.

[@PROWATCHES]

@@j744ja718 That's because it has a huge power reserve

[@Jaypilot100]

@@PROWATCHES what is very tight? I have never seen 5 days out of this watch or even 4 days. I will wind mine 200+ times and it's a little tighter but not much. Are we talking 5 or 600+ winds. Is it possible to over wind it?

[@deskdiverdanny]

Thank you for this brilliant, very informative video!

[@roubenkhosrovian]

quartz movements still use ICs and/or batteries right? silicon watches still might not need any battery/ICs at all.

[@RedneckandPinay]

I just bought this watch. Mine does not have the minute hand jump at all. Tried it several times and have not had to relax tension. It just doesn’t jump.

[@gregbrindley1581]

Excellent information, thanks so much!

[@sebsebseb1905]

Do they do recalls like they do with cars? Because this caliber has a 10 year service interval.

[@jodysilvia2]

Just came across your channel and I love it.

[@PROWATCHES]

Thank you very much

[@jodysilvia2]

@@PROWATCHES Your welcome, I have a lot of respect for what you do.

[@shuycg]

Good job. Thank you for making this video.

[@alessandrobetti1023]

Great and honest review of such caliber. Alessandro Betti

[@HRM.H]

It would be amazing if you could get your hands on a Grönefeld movement someday. They make some lovely and unique stuff! Their chronograph movement and remontoire movements are incredible.

[@PROWATCHES]

Agree

[@KevinHuangPhasorQuantaG]

Amazing video, I finally understand why the minute hand jumps! My Aquis 400 is running faster than its stated accuracy and I haven’t been super active for the few days I’ve worn it nor have I wound it up all the way, so do you think my watch was just low on power rather than defective?

[@PROWATCHES]

Yes, try winding it all the way and see if that helps.

[@KevinHuangPhasorQuantaG]

@@PROWATCHES Well the accuracy has improved, but it's still over a second out of tolerance. =/ I contacted Oris but they haven't gotten back to me "within 72 hours" so who knows.

[@alessandrobetti1125]

Great and honest review of such caliber.