Professor Jane Kelsey Makes the Case for Tikanga Law

Sean Plunket talks to Professor Jane Kelsey who makes the case for tikanga law.
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[@user-ii7kn4zb5f]

Written traditions are European she says. I can't believe this person claims to be educated. Law and traditions have been written since before the Greeks and Romans.

[@schlookie]

Correct, writing has been around since at least Mesopotamia.

[@marcusnz232]

If I were her, I’d not be making a big thing of the fact that Māori didn’t get round to something the Mesopotamians worked out 6,000 years ago!

[@jask002]

Another example of why academia is totally disconnected from reality

[@pokethepakeha8043]

Academia is verified and peer reviewed. Your cooked opinion isnt 😂

[@gracefool]

Verified and peer reviewed by themselves. And if they didn't their funding would be at risk. They are not scientists. At no point do they test their theories against reality.

[@garycody1929]

do not expect her to talk sense in a formal debate. That is why she refused.

[@5150show]

Cowardly grubby socialist

[@pgreen8531]

Totally agree with you

[@gordoncooke6785]

She does not need to lower herself that far

[@ideaWorld403]

Prof Kelsey was the lecturer for my law 101 paper at University of Auckland many years ago. She was a terrible lecturer and almost spooked me away from pursing law because she was so woke (a word not used back then). She was shrill and unwilling to take other perspectives but very happy to ram her extreme left views down the throats of students so it doesnt surprise me at all she would be unwilling to debate a person with a different view. Also i highly do7bt the students loved the idea of having Maori qeaved into their law studies... they just would have been too afraid to say they didnt want it otherwise they may have felt that rath of this women and a poor grade.

[@Penguinracer]

She certainly comes across as polemicist. As an NZ trained lawyer who has been a consultant in investment banking in London for almost 30 years, one thing which is most striking about the UK's appellate courts, is the courtesy, civility, impeccable manners and etiquette of the Barristers and Judges. Their calm reasoning and warm but non-emotive communication shows respect for each other, the rule of law and the legal system. The courts are no place for partisan politics or social engineering agendas.

[@pokethepakeha8043]

So you arent a lawyer? Couldnt complete the course, obviously not smart enough.

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

No surprises there.Jane Kelsey is as woke and wet as they come.She would fit in with the Green Party no doubt.

[@Noel-lt3ty]

Typical teacher, a know it all

[@user-ii7kn4zb5f]

Sure she would not debate. She belongs to a world that just makes assertions and expects everyone to fall into line.

[@Abuamina001]

Proff. Kelsey is an intelligent woman but she is outside her area of expertise here. It is time to scrap the Treaty.

[@pgreen8531]

Absolutely scrap the treaty and start again

[@pgreen8531]

Tikanga Maori has no place in any non maori subjects such as law in particular

[@paulmeersa7162]

Leave it as it is, Maori are subjects just like everybody else & the crown is sovereign = perfect!

[@peterdolamore5196]

she can use big words, doesn't make her intelligent, Sean was able to counteract all the crap that she spouted

[@brettg4784]

@@pgreen8531 become a Republic

[@magamike1800]

NZ is marching down the road to Apartheid.

[@secondchance6603]

It 's already here and has been for over 100 years, the Maori All Blacks are just one example of it.

[@slicerman6574]

If you want a preview of New Zealand in 15 years or perhaps 10 years time.. then all you need to do, is look at the South Africa or Zimbabwe of today ..

[@jameskjx]

@@secondchance6603 well rather three and a half million whites, and the fact that we're talking in English demonstrate how apartheid / colonial / white supremacist white zealand is. justice came for Algeria justice came for Rhodesia justice is comming today for Palestine/Israel justice will come for white zealanders - not a moment to soon

[@pgreen8531]

Unfortunately you are right about that

[@rJBowker007]

@@slicerman6574 difference is the ratio of whites to blacks plus the fact that most Māori are more European. Plus I think most Māori dont support this type of nonsense.

[@brianmarshall1762]

What a load of codswallop

[@pgreen8531]

Total codswallop

[@NA-sj9jy]

Rejected

[@bigrobnz]

she lives in a fantasy world and is very well paid to do so.....we however have to earn a living......

[@secondchance6603]

Far too many people are making a VERY lucrative career out of the whole 'racism' thing for them to want it to go away any time soon.

[@njd2342]

Woke academic. Enough said.

[@Anony_mouse2]

...pearl clutching, do-gooder, wigga, wo-man! 🤷‍♂️

[@danieljames4584]

definitely on the spectrum, but Tikanga could be useful, if a developer wants to build next to me i see a Taniwha you cant do that, boom living peacefully ,then they will bring in the exorcist to remove the Taniwha, next day Boom i seen it again, outcome for me perfect

[@njd2342]

@@danieljames4584 Is Taniwha in Tea Party Mouldy?

[@pokethepakeha8043]

Naww, just because the highest qualification you have is a drivers licence 😂

[@Anony_mouse2]

@@pokethepakeha8043 we are blessed with a high iq bro ✌️

[@kingfillins4117]

Maori had no written tradition in the english sense because they had no written word.

[@jameskjx]

so? guess what: the **common law** works via precedent, which is to say the decisions of courts - still delivered as *spoken judgements today* are written down afterwards.

[@pgreen8531]

Totally agree with you about that

[@olliemoose2020]

That's right and do we get any thanks for giving them a written language no all we get is grief.

[@pokethepakeha8043]

@@olliemoose2020 most of the "english" dictionary is stolen from others, like everything pākeha have 🤣

[@pokethepakeha8043]

Because we are smarter than pākeha. Wouldnt you agree, someone that needs to write something down and read it off paper osnt as smart as someone who doesnt need aids? Bilongual speakers have higher intellect than monolingual speakers. It was written for your dumb sake, not ours 🤣

[@AndrewJackson-mf5qp]

I can't be bothered commenting on this woke Professor. Look at the end of the day you will have very few lawyers in the future. They will train in Aussie.

[@NA-sj9jy]

Yup, we rejected it, it's filed away in the rubbish bin.

[@kiwitoffee]

Jane Kelsey. Bonkers. Always was and, it seems, always will be (at least until she gets a proper job).

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

Now this is why we are going backwards, people are struggling so much in New Zealand and this is all we have to damn well talk about.

[@paulmeersa7162]

It is important so that we do not go any further backwards, as we will unless this is stopped.

[@olliemoose2020]

We are going backwards especially financially but then that is what happens when you give billions of dollars to one particular group under a farce of a Treaty.

[@murrayclist265]

The White Elephant in the room,UN Idigenous agenda.🐘🐘

[@Anony_mouse2]

Yes even Michael trust the science laws pricked uP his ears when he realized the ramifications of that!

[@NA-sj9jy]

Yes, but Maori are NOT the Indigenous people's.....they just think they are, because they want their spoils. They ARRIVED here....

[@chelxbell]

@@NA-sj9jythen who are?

[@mattycornford]

Our lawyers were trained by her ilk for 40 years? No wonder they're cooked XDk

[@brucecouper]

Bonkers BS

[@5150show]

Ban the cheaty

[@imbtmn9836]

#burnit

[@sytharnia1717]

no BURN the treaty

[@pokethepakeha8043]

​@@sytharnia1717its been photocopied 😂

[@Jay-oh1li]

She did a pretty poor job of explaining the value of it to wider NZ to make it compulsory. As citizens we're not required to follow any law that's not put in place by the NZ government. Whether this "oral law" called Tikanga is followed by people currently is kind of irrelevant unless there's accountability associated with it.

[@jameskjx]

"as citizens we're not required to follow any law that's not put in place by the NZ governmen" wrong. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. we're bound by the Common Law; and court precedents that intrepret statutes - none of those are put in place by the NZ govt. not to mention, council bylaws, other regulations, club rules, etc etc, none or which are put in place by the government

[@Jay-oh1li]

@@jameskjx I mean if you want to be pedantic, all guests within my home are subject to my own law.

[@jeffappleton926]

@@jameskjx Yes, and all those are already in place so what do we need Tikanga for?

[@jameskjx]

@@jeffappleton926 need? it is *intrinsic* to the way common law works is that it encompasses preëxisting legal systems (as well as subsequent legal systems etc. (this is the reason the English like the Common Law rather than Code Napoleon / Administraive Law, why it's intrinsically flexible, why it encompassers Scots Law, Canon Law, why beth din and sharia councils and Rugby Union Judicial panels and all the rest can and do interoperate with common law, and why there are appeals paths from those other tribunals to Common Law courts. tikanga is there. tikanga questions for better or for worse get appealed to our Common Law courts and lawyers need to be aware of it. which is why the NZ council of legal education (not Kelsey or any other law professors but the legal profession) says it must now be a small part of any NZ law degree.

[@Jay-oh1li]

@@jameskjx You didn't answer his question. The debate on this so-called oral law needs further scrutiny and being an oral law I would imagine it's ill defined. The onus is on people like Jane Kelsey to explain the value as my OP alludes to.

[@gordonpotts9642]

Tikanga law is something made up after Maori were brought into the civilized world when the settlers governed by the Crown came to NZ,Maori before then were tribes not having a law that governed all tribes.Before then which most people don't want to say it (tribal wars) no law an order. And what I see and hear from the elite Moari is still not law and order.

[@marcusnz232]

There’s no case for it for the 80% + of NZ that’s not at all Māori.

[@Chopper650]

Tikanga Law has the utu component... revenge... eye for an eye... will all maori offnders guilty of murder be given the death sentence as utu?

[@slicerman6574]

They must .. tikanga says so .. lol

[@jameskjx]

yeah. In Common Law, these are "torts". how the Common Law works is that tikanga establishes torts that are justicible in the courts, like any other tort: which is precisely why all lawyers need some basic grounding in tikanga.

[@jeffappleton926]

@@jameskjx How exactly is the crime of murder a tort? As Tort law already exists to manage remedies for civil wrongs what do we need Tikanga for exactly? Is it special in some way? If so how?

[@pgreen8531]

Sounds good to me

[@danieljames4584]

@@jameskjx But then what and who is Maori, if you identify as therefore you are, if my great grandfather said you were from Maori and that is an Oral representation, then anyone can demand Tikanga as a reason or defense, or to get an outcome

[@rJBowker007]

She’s completely living in a fantasy land. Time to get with the times.

[@bennichols1113]

The first law is physics and it exists before everything else.

[@francisheperi4180]

God always was.

[@Anony_mouse2]

"I AM...therefore i am" ✨️

[@toycollector10]

And as we devolve into this sort of horse manure and decolonisation we then become the New Zimbabwe of the South Pacific and follow South Africa and the soon to be ex French colony of Kanaka Land into tribalism, utu, superstition, animism and racial violence.

[@rustyboyspeed]

Unbelievable where abouts do the pixies live?

[@RobertSingers]

Prof Kelsey seems to be subsuming Anthropology into Law.

[@waterbourne9282]

Life in the rarefied air, at our expense.

[@StGammon77]

Treaty Chiefs gave the evil native Tikanga up in favour of Tikanga Christianity

[@user-wu8mp9ue1g]

Correct a maori chief (descendant of Honi Heke) asked the British for law and order to stop the slaughter of maori by maori which saved them from extinction

[@brianmarshall1762]

@@user-wu8mp9ue1gI think you mean Hongi Hika. Hone Heke chopped down the flag pole at Russell after the treaty had been signed for years already.

[@MrMigido]

Is this the anti male; patriarchy protagonist?

[@gregg7617]

Note : if Maori thought under the treaty they were able to govern themselves and there hapu , Why didnt they ??🤔 Where are these little self ruling settlements of theres ??🤔 Tribal justice cannot work within a established judicial system EVER and Should Not EVER !😡 Maybe if the current judicial system is corrupt and or disfunctional Like now , Then it would most definitely be susceptible to be bastardised !😡

[@Superfoxhunter1]

Why is Tikanga law being made mandatory unless it is going to be used in the judicial system? Logically a consequence of this will be that the Waitangi Tribunal will have more prominence in the judicial system system.

[@andreatodd3095]

Yes, that seems to be getting all the mystical stars in alignment for further prosecutions.

[@marcoantonioperin2187]

And if they get more passes, people will be incentivised to become maori in any way possible. Soon, there will be memberships being sold.

[@NA-sj9jy]

Noooooo.....the WEF want Maori to destabilise NZ society. They are being set up, to fail...so they will kick off. How do you think it's going thus far? to plan?

[@danieljames4584]

@@andreatodd3095 well lets be honest , if Maori didn't arrive here, the stars might not have arrived here as well

[@chelxbell]

@@marcoantonioperin2187 what’s wrong with being Maori?

[@paulmeersa7162]

Tikunga is not first law of New Zealand at all, it is not even law, it is not even written down! What did it produce? Early death, slavery, constant war, polygamy, genocide to the point of Maori having to ask the British for protection under their law - from themselves, hence the Treaty. Teacunga is not a element of the Treaty, where as Crown Law is. Teekaaanga is not representative of the rules particular to New Zealand; Crown Law is as laid out in the Treaty, read it and honor it please. Teecunga law is not an evolution or maturing of anything at all, in fact it presided over some of the most horrific crimes against humanity this country has ever seen. Teeekunka does not underpin New Zealand law and it is perfectly ok to have students thinking about crown law - the law of this land and the most stable law any human has ever lived under anywhere on this planet. It is mature beyond even your years Jane. Teacunga law meant no votes for common Maori Jane, let us be really clear on that, Maori ran a dictatorship style of governance, nobody voted for anything, it was might is right! I believe you Jane are living in a fairly tale, delusional land, centered around making up your own stories because you find it impossible to face the truth & reality. You have polluted the mind of goodness knows how many lawyers with your fairly tales, hence you should give back all you earned doing this to our youngest and brightest, and, furthermore you should not be drawing a NZL pension. We cannot afford such nonsense in our economy. Give it all back.

[@Sarah-ne6cv]

What a frustrating conversation.

[@user-bs3sd4kh6o]

Omg ha ha now I get it …. Let’s just make it up and fly by the seat of your pants Jane Seriously this country is in peril

[@user-ii7kn4zb5f]

The thinking underpinning Law is Judic-Christian ethics. So, along with tikanga why does she not insist on that? She admits she had to look at the 10 commandments. So that's out and some oral tradition takes precedence?

[@robertmccabe8632]

Is canabilsm, part of tikanga. What is race? A race to the financial trough? Mankind, founded by the first people; Adam and Eve OR You believe that you are highly evolved smart pond scum.

[@DCG-dg5sd]

@@robertmccabe8632 .... "highly evolved smart pond scum" .... and proud of it too bud 👍🤟✌😁

[@user-wu8mp9ue1g]

If New Zealand follow Tikanga (UTU and MUTU) part maori will have to fight themselves, as they did prior to the treaty. FYI there are not many New Zealanders who call themselves maori, therefore if UTU is the law MAORI WILL LOSE

[@user-hq4bj1gg1i]

These people are insane.

[@MrMigido]

"integrated" or "morphed" under a wing of insurrection.

[@potato3264]

Not credible at all. Zero.

[@nielshansen8029]

Yeah you taught for 40 years. Those who can't "teach"

[@lilianabracanov239]

What do they study at law school jurisprudence is core to LLB. To get to the bar is learning ethcs, Drafting wills, looking at evidence of statements developing theory of case and mock trials.. I'm disgusted in NZ LLB. They will nt be fit for practice upon gaining the bar just like the teachers. The incompetence is rife...God help us!

[@Anony_mouse2]

At least you are asking for the right help! 🙌

[@enumeratenz]

On the 6th of February 1840, the Treaty of Waitangi was signed. It was drafted in English and subsequently translated into Maori. The Preamble includes: "Her Majesty therefore being desirous to establish a settled form of Civil Government with a view to avert the evil consequences which must result from the absence of the necessary Laws and Institutions alike to the native population and to Her subjects ..." There was no "first law". There was no recognition of Tikanga as applying to European Settlers. On 21 May 1840 the British proclaimed British sovereignty over all of New Zealand (annexation, in realpolitik terms) - over the North Island on the basis of cession through the Treaty of Waitangi, and over the southern islands by 'right of discovery'. On the 16th of November 1840, New Zealand became a separate colony from New South Wales with the 'Charter for erecting the Colony of New Zealand' which established a nominated Legislative Council, in Auckland. The issue of Sovereignty was settled at this point. New Zealand was a colony of Britain with all people enjoying the rights and responsibilities of British subjects. Customary practices such as slavery and intertribal warfare became illegal until the challenge of the Wairau Affray in 17 June 1843 and the Flagstaff War in 1845 Tikanga has the same significance a Sharia law, in New Zealand.

[@mxvega1097]

Prof Kelsey just made a good case for tikanga as custom. Thanks, Jane. It's not law, unless the way we understand law, and tort, are so radically redefined that they are no longer law. It's not a sign of a polity "maturing" to mash custom and formal law together. It's debasement. Of both.

[@rod-contracts1616]

With freedom of speech Kelsey has the right to express her views, so I'll express mine. She's utterly warped.

[@hariseldon3786]

As an immunologist and geneticist, I look forward to having to do a similar course bc "of course it's relevant"... i.e., same arguments could be applied - but in the practical sense it is irrelevant and possibly disruptive as "spiritualism" doesn't affect DNA... lol

[@awblax1]

Written traditions are not exclusive to Europeans. Chinese, Japanese, Arabs etc had written traditions

[@ChrisBrown-or8ky]

Written tradition is not European thing. Ppl were writing in Africa and Asia before europeans were

[@mrpaisleyshirt]

Yet another hot air balloon. Anyone got a pin?

[@NA-sj9jy]

Will a mute button do?

[@mrpaisleyshirt]

@@NA-sj9jy I've just about worn mine out muting ads.

[@bugseecooper940]

So she mentions the economy and institutions the maori's had which is all part of this spiritual law. I have never seen or heard of any institutions around New Zealand before it was colonized and just because you taught law for 43 years does not mean you where a good teacher.

[@danieljames4584]

Well as someone famous with intelligence once said " just because your a Professor, doesn't mean you cant be stupid" or Albert Einstein "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits"

[@mobbarley7517]

Credit where credit is due at least she stopped Sean talking over her, first guest to not be cut off or talked over

[@NA-sj9jy]

Lol well she's SILENCED...and not given a platform in our household. We won't listen to woke WEF bs, that it's only reason for it to be pushed, is to start destabilising our society, when the Maori kick off. That's all. We reject it.

[@Anony_mouse2]

I'll give her that...but that only!

[@bennichols1113]

So Utu is a go?

[@fredharper4059]

Written tradition is a european thing?? Pretty sure it's also egyptian, middle eastern, asian and meso-american.

[@ngaftp]

What does first law matter? Laws change, and for good reason.

[@user-gv6vj7xw4u]

Wokism at its finest!!!!

[@parebennett5151]

who will define Tikanga as it applies in common law? academics, politicians, corporations, workers, rich fat cats of all stripes or even AI?

[@geoffstokes]

"Just to be clear" is straight out of the woke handbook

[@AccCam]

Treaty says Crown will govern New Zealand.

[@markreynolds1112]

this woman is full of absolute miss truths

[@kevincrossan2618]

She makes a rational argument to understand the thinking behind the laws then falls apart, like most of her type she has a strong aversion to "all" of the historic facts. She only wants to reference the ones that reinforce her argument, all I can say is its good that she is retired.

[@pgreen8531]

Seanhad ger in bits maori practiced slavery so is that something we all need to accept presently

[@judyirving7631]

One look at that thing and you know exactly what is goin on upstairs !! lol

[@geoffstokes]

She is WRONG!

[@user-jp6qc7tq3x]

Give me the strength to breath what a load of crap

[@shadowbanned5164]

A law degree is already very tough to get why muddy it up with this rubbish?

[@DerekBolli]

To me, this is like a legal version of evolution theory versus creationism where there is a sound empirical basis for the law but at times historical, mythical cultural factors can also be relevant and it is useful to be aware of them and their social effects on belief and behaviour.

[@kenking3188]

Get rid of the treaty, fast

[@bronnismofo]

The word smug comes to mind....

[@user-fi6fq9yb5c]

Have you noticed these people, do not like to get into good healthy debate. Afraid that they might be made to look stupid, how intelligent is that and she has a degree.

[@craigoakman6268]

When did she catch the dream time bug from Australia?

[@food4thort]

Spiritual beliefs of any sort (Maori, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or otherwise) have absolutely no place in New Zealand law. If tikanga is a 'treasure' to Maori under Article 2 of the ToW thats fine for Maori but nobody else in this country should be required to observe it - particularly by compulsion of law......... and before anyone calls me racist as an easy retort, I have Maori whakapapa.

[@fumblebee4234]

Maori were waring tribes! where does this Tikanga nonsense come from?

[@geoffstokes]

But tikanga is not part of classic jurisprudence

[@richardcox3713]

Off with the fairies! Lovely wishingwell world for socalled intellectuals!

[@questor55]

When faced with an accurate description of Maori's stewardship of the land prior to western settlers, there's a laugh and a reply to read more. This is just a complete ejection from engagement on this subject and when that's the case, you can dismiss their opinions.

[@Antares2358]

How is Tikanga Law relevant to someone in civil case?

[@johnskelton9296]

welcome to Aoteocuba

[@laurence7426]

Is the maori course an extended period so not interfering in time tables learning law does a 5 year lawyer course now take 7

[@laurence7426]

Native woman have had a vote forever fact

[@danieljames4584]

@@laurence7426 shit they cant even speak or sit at the front of the Marae when discussing important subjects

[@superkiwistar]

A New Zealand professor had trouble entering Australia because of a conviction she got opposing the Springbok tour in the 1980s. Professor Jane Kelsey said she was detained at immigration at Sydney airport on Sunday and told she did could not enter visa free like most New Zealanders because she was not an appropriate person under Australia's 1994 immigration laws. Eventually she was allowed to enter but was told in future she would need a visa. "I am a constant visitor to Australia for professional and personal reasons -- at least eight times in the past two years, including just one month ago for an academic conference on trade," Prof Kelsey said. "I always tick the box about criminal convictions, which relate to the Springbok tour and Bastion Point in the early 1980s. They have the list on record at Australian immigration. Usually I wait 10 or at most 15 minutes and they wave me on. This twist came completely out of the blue." "Requiring me to apply for a visa each time I go to Australia would make it easier to monitor and restrict my movements. At the very least it sends an intimidating message to me and to others." Prof Kelsey previously said the SIS was keeping tabs on her because of her criticism of neo-liberalism and free trade agreements.

[@stevehall9967]

I read Gary Judd's concise and well-reasoned arguments against equating common law with tikanga. Admittedly an interview is a more difficult medium through which to get concise points across, but all Jane could do was waffle. Law needs to be written down so that it is unambiguous. It needs to apply equally to everyone. We are one nation - there can't be two sets of rules, one set of which isn't even written down. Assuming we have a law for every eventuality already, it would logically follow that any other set of statutes would either be similar and superfluous, or contrary to existing laws.

[@MaxSpeedNZ]

Sounds like it’s what she has decided is correct. It’s the academics deciding what they think is correct rather than democracy deciding.

[@peterdolamore5196]

No wonder she doesn't want to debate it, Sean was able to counteract all of the crap that she spouted. I am sure she would be the first one to jump up and down if we went back to pre European law as she seems to be promoting, she would be the first one in the pot for a boil up lol what a dreadful person

[@oceansep4103]

Nikaus a bit of a clown haha

[@rfarrr2817]

There is a valid reason English Common Law survived the test of time: because it outgrew culture. There is no Maori legal system because it was based on customary tribal rules dependent on whomever happened to be the sitting chief

[@tommcg7564]

People didnt vote in the westminster system, women couldnt vote either, Shaun

[@olsaffa7679]

Maori became full subjects under the Crown and under its laws. Tikanga was not a source of law. Tikanga "law" has a place in history class, but I suspect the intent is to have someone stand up and "But Tikanga requires/states...." When will this happen? When someone needs a loophole via the race they identify as. It'll start as this nice to have course and see, now we're already starting to refer to it as "the original law of the land." One country, one law for all.

[@oceansep4103]

Māori had lore not law, they’re kidding themselves if they had any general governing law among their hapū 😂😂😂

[@paulmeersa7162]

If she is called a professor because she professes to know something about her subject matter [being NZL Law], should she not be required to relinquish her "professorship" for she says nothing but fairy tales in relation to it. Who gave her this professorship and should it not be withdrawn to preserve the mana of professorship given this little performance of "knowledge"?

[@p.a.newman2672]

So to counter this why not make it law to study Christianity if you want a law degree, well no of course not.

[@kingdavid3066]

a law based on the first new zealand law would be the illegal deforestation, it was illegal, thats why theres a billion trees that they owe me. and yes voting was legal, and slavery was usually a punishment. we looked after our slaves make no mistake

[@marshallgarrett1593]

Not very convincing, I’m afraid English law is what dominates New Zealand like it or not. I didn’t see anything and what she was saying and which we would want to follow the first law of the land as she put it.

[@OJB42]

She's just spouting the same old woke BS. I don't find her points very convincing.

[@danieljames4584]

If Jane Kelsey says she want her students to think freely about the law (Her words) , well undeniably she/the students should welcome Garry KC to come into the classroom to give his reasons why, without any other university people in there, so the students can question his reasons in a true University passion, without the fear of not passing a paper and failing a degree. i hope this can be arranged, if they would deny this you can see it would not be a good university to go too.

[@modarm]

What will these academics advocate for next how about cannibalism, after all it was a recognised part of the 'first law of NZ' and will give a whole new/old meaning to 'full and final'.

[@danielthomas8507]

Nothing mature about following a stoneage culture

[@paulmeersa7162]

At 2:06 mins Kiingi Tuheitia's full speech at unity hui

[@paulmeersa7162]

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[@jaybill392]

HELLSEY DISRESPECTS THE NATURAL LAW TRADITION TEACHING

[@geoffstokes]

That's not what matriculate means Sean

[@plumbus813]

Lmao calling English law undemocratic when there used to be slavery in NZ