Toji Zenin VS The Phantom Troupe

[@quacker2212]

The winner would be us, the audience, as it means Hiatus x Hiatus is finally over.

[@baitreview]

By the way, Toji CAN'T block a point blank Red. That's an anime only feat. The Inverted spear cancels cursed techniques, so it wouldn't even make sense for him to do so.

[@evanfuller6095]

Finally someone said it.

[@NonAryanDuck]

The ISOH in the anime seems to only work when it's stabbing a cursed technique which makes sense considering it's a spear. So that doesn't reflect on him being able to block a red

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

Even in the anime gojo stated that Toji used the spear to nerf red regardless maki is stated to be equal to him and maki survived sukuna nue lightning

[@Garvant_]

Domain AP scaling is the dumbest shit ever "you heard it here kakashi has infinite AP!!!" its not even actually as big as an island megumi found the edge of the domain all the water passed that is basically backdrop scenery and i doubt the "island" exists much further than where maki was kicked otherwise why would dagon limit his movement to a strip of beachside

[@Garvant_]

@LinJie0 I consider everything within the edge real everything else merely decoration and doesn't contribute to ap feats anyway

[@Garvant_]

@LinJie0 all that means is jogo is capable of replicating ambient heat with his cursed energy something we already know, nothing more nothing less

[@Garvant_]

@LinJie0 ah yes and as we know gojo has infinite cursed energy because he created "a literal endless void of space" in his domain

[@Magnetism_0]

You litteraly can see how deep ocean is in anime and domain having edge is completly baseless claim since domain are like every pocket dimension​@@Garvant_

[@WILLIAMMICHEAL-v6n]

@@Garvant_ ah yes of course that means yuta somebody with limited cursed as we see him get low during the sukuna fight have more cursed energy than gojo that must mean yuta has inf + cursed energy (im agreesing with u LinJIE is being a jjk weirdo) idk why ppl alwase have to high ball toji to this god like area and same with gojo when in reality they are on par with the demon slayer universe

[@ethan1441]

Bro blurred out the unnamed character who is very similar to toji. But forgot to cover the words that basically say exactly who this unnamed character is.

[@benjaminchenel3798]

I think domain expansion créations, such as islands, shouldn't be calculated in Tnt weight. That makes no real sense as it is a temporary pocket dimension and not a destructive capacity or ranged attack, while Sukuna being able to destroy everything in hundreds of meters radius does not make him as powerful as 2 nukes, like you said for Dagon

[@Professor_Fiction]

Using TNT values is more so just a measure of comparison, obv the domain isn’t blowing stuff up, I just converted the energy required to create such a space into tnt

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

​@LinJie0Why can't Dagon also power a nation? That was calced at multi city block to small town per second for Gojo using the energy consumption fot American and China respectively. I would imagine Dagon should be capable of powering a country since the fact he can regain his domain in a day would require joules in the city block ranges or even higher. Just divided whatever calc for his domain by the number of seconds in a day to get his energy generation.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

@LinJie0 Sukuna's domain doesn't create a separate space and has an actual true radius of 200 m unless he uses some sort of binding vow to increase that. Within that space is like nothing. A shrine covered in skulls and a layer of water or not even that in the manga. Going off that it should require far less energy than Dagon's who is actually just making a part of an ocean along with and island.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

@LinJie0 We know his domain used a good amount of energy or else it wouldn't make sense for his output to drop or Sukuna's who's efficiency is second only to Gojo. Sukuna's CE volume also is just stated to be smaller as well.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

@LinJie0 Being able to output more than city block level energy isn't a reason to jump to the conclusion that he's scaling anywhere near country if that is what you're implying.

[@Hissingace110]

Surprised you didn't mention Nobunaga, as his whole ability is to be unblitzable, though it's not like we have any idea what his limits are, so fair enough.

[@Vynne96-jg7er]

Toji scaled higher than Nobunaga.

[@Hissingace110]

@@Vynne96-jg7er read that last line of mine again.

[@SweetPsalms02]

Okay I'm a little curious, where do you put Killuas' speed at? Because his ability is called speed of lightning, and even if you don't during the Chairman Election arc his speed was impressive. That same Killua was still scared and weaker than Illumi, and even if you want to say Illumi is one of the stronger members he is relative to both Hisoka & Chrollo. I also don't believe you mentioned some of the finer details of Nen (and how it would interact with Toji), like how the Troupe can use En to detect Toji, how they could use Zetsu to strategically hide themselves, how Ten can flat out bolster their defense, or Ren can be used to potentially deter, paralyze, and even kill. I mean there are a few other things that I feel went unmentioned, but whatever. Oh and I don't think characters exactly scale to their Domains, because if that were the case then multiple people are "universal" level entities. Hax does not always scale to feats. P.s Netero is not capped at the speed of sound. Even Cheetu was able to dodge bullets at point blank range while simultaneously blitzing and taking the fingers of the people that shot at him.

[@Professor_Fiction]

Killua’s speed should be between Mach 200 and 1,200, check out my Meruem Vs Sukuna video to know more about the top tier scaling Killua can be scared of Illumi because Godspeed has a time limit. He could run out of Godspeed before he could defeat Illumi, even ignoring the fact he has to protect Alluka. It doesn’t mean Illumi is faster The problem with all the other basic Nen abilities is it wouldn’t change anything. I already scaled them at their full power, durability and speed. Ren and Ten are stat boosters which I already scaled. Zetsu wouldn’t change anything since Toji can’t see Nen to begin with, and we don’t know how good most of the troupe are at En. Toji is also just too fast to make a difference

[@synkimiko730]

​@@Professor_Fictionzetsu doesnt just conceal ur aura it conceals ur presence as a whole so it does add in lol. And nen against those who can't use it is really dangerous and effective even if its a different power system. Although gege does take alot of inspiration from nen and hxh its still diff and does make a difference. Toji is definitely strong but i feel like ur underestimating nen because its different from other powder systems, obviously if u put hxh against dragon ball it would lose but in other cases like toji its different

[@Zopeee]

I dont like the domain Argument, since everything weve seen so far isnt anywhere near in terms of destructive power of similar Characters i rather think its more like a illusionary world since if you realy want to go into detail just creating that Island from nothing but energy would likely be more than enough to wipe the entire planat out multiple times over(e.g 1g of matter is the equavialent of about 3 nukes, an intire island is way beyond 1g xd)

[@kaijuge6934]

Saying before I watch that I think it comes down to whether you include Hisoka in the Troupe. Hisoka, Uvogin, and Chrollo working together could put Toji six feet under, but remove Hisoka and I don't think Chrollo can carry it, and Uvogin becomes an easy target. The rest just die quickly, unless I'm forgetting someone. Edit: Whoops, I was wrong.

[@yeikelamores6085]

So in summary all the characters in this group are weaker than 12-13 year old Kid Goku. On a more serious note, great video

[@yashaoftheflames8475]

Hey that's not far most shonen jump Mangas beginning to mid series characters are weaker than kid Goku

[@yeikelamores6085]

@@yashaoftheflames8475 I know, that's why I compared them to 12-13 year old Kid Goku, which is the equivalent of Goku's Chunin Exams in terms of story development

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

Toji can just bring a needle

[@berkaytastan6032]

You should calculate cheetu 's ability too if ur calculating domain expansions

[@Professor_Fiction]

You could but it’s not as impressive

[@Dumbo-zx7oc]

We see Moro walk around cheetus space he only walks for few seconds and finds out it’s a closed space with walls it’s not actually that big

[@berkaytastan6032]

@@Dumbo-zx7oc ıt is as big as a baseball field

[@sparkls4492]

​@@berkaytastan6032 That's not every big.

[@AzzMonkeysauce03]

I feel if this takes place in the Hunter X Hunter verse Toji would instantly unlock nen on top of his heavenly resurrection and he would be fucking busted but for cross verse matches I guess that doesn’t work 😢 but I want it to so fuck you it works

[@frogartti]

Wow there’s a lot of crying HxH fans in the comments saying scaling is completely irrelevant in versus battles 🤣

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@cactudraft that is not true what makes you say that?

[@hyjjjkyikk3158]

@@DrnoobzHermida I mean the reason is simple,he or she is a cactus who lives alone like ronin minus movement so the information he gets is from his own perspective and own facts.

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@hyjjjkyikk3158 oh well it’s definitely not his facts he gets from it’s more like information

[@frogartti]

@@DrnoobzHermida I commented this when there were only 5 other comments. The majority of which were people crying and complaining over the results. One of which literally said verbatim “scaling is completely irrelevant in versus battles”. The comments may be harder to find since there’s a lot more people now. But the fact that people are crying in my replies just proves my point.

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@frogartti well I don’t see a lot of Hxh fans raging or crying before but okay

[@MuhammadAli-xw4yc]

2nd video I have seen. Dang this dude got me binging out before fasting in morning of ramadan. My God this is Goated

[@jesusbarrera3779]

I really liked this analysis. You should do Toji vs Royal Guards next, I would love to see how his kit would interact especially with Neferpitou

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

3:42 because the temporary power nullification ans sure hit are OP.

[@gustavosauro1882]

Power nulification?

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

​@@gustavosauro1882 A domain neutralises other's techniques.

[@gustavosauro1882]

@@jackaboynaylor9273 i don't remember it ever being mentioned or happening, can you pls tell when this is stated?

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

@@gustavosauro1882 Kenny mentioned it near the end of Mahito vs Mechamaru

[@gustavosauro1882]

@@jackaboynaylor9273 wasn't he talking about simple domains? Idk i might check it later

[@Colorlightt]

Wow not what I expected. I think you’re right that they would all probably get blitzed.

[@steveoh8036]

Bro literally didnt watch meruem vs netero. That fight only last a 5 to 10 minutes and they exchanges thousands of hits. Tell me that does a feat of sound speed?

[@michaelj.caboose4680]

Just to be clear, it's stated that Netero's punch speed reached the speed of sound without using Nen, implying that he is much faster when using his hatsu.

[@airchampion4658]

jjk glaze is crazy, "Dagon's island is 2x top tier nuke level, so hes that strong too" so because infinite void is basically space, gojo is galaxy level? what a joke

[@NonAryanDuck]

Just because Infinite Void looks like a universe, doesn't mean it actually is one. Just apply the same logic to Dagon's star as you would UV's universe. Unlike with the actual island Dagon creates that we see multiple characters interacting with like it's a tangible construct.

[@pzychosaiyan]

…Is this a troll comment?

[@airchampion4658]

@@pzychosaiyan AryanDuck explains my point meet

[@NonAryanDuck]

@@pzychosaiyan You talking to me?

[@pzychosaiyan]

@@NonAryanDuck No.

[@SevoraLF]

More HxH content please

[@steveoh8036]

Toji has great advantage against dagon in his domain cause dagons domain targets people with curse technique it doesnt mean toji scales up on dagons destructive capacity. I could rank toji as city block level same as high tier troupe.

[@princelamar1735]

10:47 I disagree with the “they don’t have souls” type of arguments. The term soul is synonymous with consciousness. Let’s look at ghosts for example, ghosts are souls and a nickname for ghosts is “disembodied consciousness”. A soul is just our raw consciousness or sense of self/awareness. With this in mind hunter x hunter characters are most definitely aware or have consciousness, meaning they would in fact have souls. So I believe in cases like this one would have to prove that characters don’t have souls rather then vice versa. Not saying you were arguing they don’t have souls Professor fiction, it seemed like you were giving them benefit of the doubt.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

Souls and mind have been distinguished many times in fiction and even in JJK. Kenjaku is literally a brain separate from Geto's, yet Geto has influence over his body because the soul and the body are two sides of the same thing. Or at the very least, have influence on one another, which the very idea that idle transfiguration is based on. In Undead Unluck, (recent manga spoilers) Andy can turn off his brain and use his soul to control his body, showing they are not the same thing. Andy also blatantly distinguishes them in ch 45. It's a case by case thing.

[@princelamar1735]

@@jackaboynaylor9273 never said otherwise.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

@@princelamar1735 You said the soul is raw consciousness which I've just showed isn't the case for every series and therefore can't conclude hxh characters have souls because they have minds.

[@princelamar1735]

@@jackaboynaylor9273 I think you’re missing the issue man. When I said “I never said otherwise” I meant I never said that the mind and the soul were the same in the first place. The way I see it the mind is the source of consciousness/soul, as the mind is what gives us the ability to be aware. Soul is to the mind like heat is to fire, or the desktop is to a computer/laptop. It’s the after effect. So just because fiction differentiates the mind and soul doesn’t dismiss what I said about the soul being consciousness, therefore it doesn’t disprove hunter x hunter characters having souls. There’s also another flaw in your refute I have to address. What you said was essentially “because x fictional verses did X, therefore means you can’t assume Y is the case for verse Z”. Which essentially ignores how power scaling/ story interpretation as well as how fiction works. When we interpret a story we do so using our real world knowledge/understanding that’s the core of how story interpretation and power scaling works. Sure an aspect of our real life understanding can be contradicted in a fictional setting, but that doesn’t mean we can’t use that contradicted understanding for another fictional setting. For example just because one verse can have humans fly, doesn’t mean we can’t use the understanding that humans can’t fly for another verse. The reason why this is the case is because fictional settings cannot dictate how other fictional settings function. For example Hunter x hunter wouldn’t be able to dictate the limitations of humans from other fictional verses by saying “humans can’t destroy planets” as obviously dragon ball humans can do so. So with that in mind each fictional verse is looked at on a case by case basis, and your reasoning for why I can’t conclude hunter x hunter characters have souls because of what other verses did is just a non sequiter fallacy as a result.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

@@princelamar1735 You said the soul is the consciousness. Verbatim, 'A soul is just our raw consciousness' and said it is synonymous with consciousness. Being aware isn't a requirement for the soul to exist by definition. Unless that is the case for a specific series. I'm saying you can't assume x for all verses since it is blatantly contradicted by these verses, therefore cannot apply to them all. In Undead Unluck again, the soul existed at the beginning before any other rule, with even other original rules of the same tier relying on him. The soul is shown to contain the memories and experiences of people and is now what makes people live. It isn't bound by the conventional ideas like a brain is required to think and thinking is required to live, that just being a preconception. This is the exact opposite of what you're suggesting and applying to hunter hunter and fiction in general. So it's case by case, like I said. Which is what you said in the second part of your comment and mind you I'm not saying hunter hunter characters can't have souls I'm saying having a conscience isn't a reason to conclude they have souls unless that is the case for that verse which you haven't shown for hunter hunter. Consciousness doesn't have anything to do with the spirit, by definition. And fictional settings can indeed dictate other settings, since lots of fiction share ideas from each other. Like energy systems.

[@Gangstar95]

“Only lost when he had to fight the literal strongest character” …That one didn’t age too well

[@yeikelamores6085]

Well, not only did he lose, he was completely destroyed.

[@Chilli2001]

Genuine question, how do you reconcile characters scaling to there domains in terms of a creation feat with Gojo?

[@seanwall2846]

Gon and killua actually outscale most if not all of tbe troupe because they can take out nen enhanced ants without any ability and just rip their heads off while the troupe need their nen abilities to damage them

[@gonzaalfonso7833]

Man when gon and killua kill a chimera ant without their abilities?

[@Tupadre97]

@@gonzaalfonso7833 literally mutliple times what do you mean

[@losmidos8756]

isnt the whole point of the nen system to have all kind of abilities that focus on different things than just raw power? kinda sad that jjk is gonna suffer from some real power creep, where only the most op characters will be relevant. meruem was difeated by a literal toxic bomb, that pretty much anyone could have dropped on him, since no matter his power, he still just a living organism. an actual nuke might have been even better on him

[@nomotiom]

Do royal guards or meruem vs toji

[@KanderUdon]

Yeah man, while I do think low-balling both verses is correct, even in that case toji still wins

[@Psychoanalyze]

Chrollo slams? If we go off the statement that Gon says, kite and knuckle are physically on par with eachother = non hatsu Then we know the characters ≈ kite or higher can when on gaurd evade base pitous attacks, and even potentially withstand damage and deal damage Since kite was able to survive long enough to deal damage Now we know the zodicas scale blatenly above the extermination squad (morel knuckle, knov and shoot), to which morel is physically above knuckle who's on par with kite, and the zodicas within their hierarchy still scale above And when considering hisokas evaluation of the zodicas he finds the ones met to below illumi and not worth chasing/fighting And we know chrollo is able to fight Zeno and silva and survive with minimal damage without even trying, who should scale blatenly above illumi off feats and narrative Essentially meaning, if kite was able to at least fight and deal damage to pitou similarly to netero vs meruem, then we can assume a 10% relativity as the least And if we know that pitou can deal more damage to meruem (when not including speed) then we can make the assumption that pitou should be 20 - 50% of base meruem To which makes pitou large Country to Continental, and if character are to deal damage to this *base* pitou, we assume their nen efficiency should be around this range, so we can do a similar calc being 10% relativity And if with the done we get the character in kite range to Large country->Continental, except with its nen efficiency not linear physicality for all characters in this range but they should scale relative to their nen efficiency Uvogin attacks are stated to punch at the force of small missiles and uvogins feats showcased are • Length 108.86m • Width 108.86m • Depth 18m • The volume = 213,308.9928 cubic meters • The weight of the object is 2.5 tons per cubic meter • The time taken for everything to vaporize is ≈ 0.934 seconds • Calculate Mass: Mass=213,308 m³×3000 kg/m³Mass=213,308m³ × 3000kg/m³ Mass ≈ 639,924,000 kgMass≈639,924,000kg • Calculate Energy: Energy=Mass×400,000 J/kgEnergy=Mass×400,000J/kg Energy≈639,924,000 kg×400,000 J/kgEnergy≈639,924,000kg×400,000J/kg Energy ≈2.558×10¹⁴ JoulesEnergy≈2.558×10¹⁴Joules Uvo states he holds power power and is shown to go 20% 50% and 100% Assuming the feat was 20% = 2.79×10¹⁵ Assuming the feat was 50% = 5.116×10¹⁴ Assuming it was 100% = 2.558×10¹⁴ Putting Uvogin in the large town range at 20% and small city 100% since it's 5x stronger than the large town feat And now that we got the AP of small missiles in hxh, we can now begin Calculating the how strong nukes are, by first finding out the difference between our IRL nukes and small missiles: • Mass (m): A typical air-to-air missile might weigh around 100 to 300 kilograms. • Speed (v): Missile speeds vary, but they can travel at supersonic speeds, ranging from 300 to 600 meters per second. KE=21​×200×(450)2 12×200×202,500KE=21​×200×202,500 50×202,500KE=50×202,500 10,125,000 joulesKE=10,125,000 joules = (1.0125×10^7 joules) (2.09 x 10^17 joules) ÷ (1.0125×10^7 joules) = (tsar bomb, since Uvogin aims to achieve the power of nuclear bomb, its fair to assume since netero could hardly damage meruem but the rose bomb did, that it's on the FAR higher side of nuclear bombs) ÷ (the average power of a small fighter jet missile) To which using this calc we get a = 20,800,000,000x difference And if we use theoretical modern nukes which are 100x stronger than the tsar bomb, we get 2,080,000,000,000zx difference Now we input the difference and multiply it by uvogins feats we then get: Using the tsar bomb we get = (5×(2.79×10¹⁵)) × (20,800,000,000) = 2.3132×10²⁶ = multi-Continental Using the 100x modern day nukes we get = (5×(2.79×10¹⁵))×(2,080,000,000,000x) = 5.798×10²⁸ = multi-Continental And Meruem is able to be 1 shot by the rose bomb, but also take his arm off So even if low ball meruem his and say he wasn't using nen, or that he was using ko, that's still only a 3-4x multiplier to which, if we assume the rose bomb was 7.5x stronger than meruem since it 1 shot him, but not instantly (using vsbw criteria) we get 7.71×10²⁴ = Large Country or 1.93×10²⁷ = multi-Continental, if we use the 100x modern nuke difference And if we mid ball it we get, 3.084×10²⁵ as the lowest calc Essentially making pre rose meruem Large Country low ball, to Multi-Continental mid ball And is Pr Meruem is able to contend with nukes likely more powerful than the rose bomb, since knuckle states they need a states military and not a singular rose bomb, we can assume Pr meruem transcends that rose bomb completely, with the bomb likely being 10% to 50% of his power making him 2x - 10x stronger, to which is Moon level+

[@asura3229]

@@Psychoanalyze Bro I’m not even gonna waste my time trying to debunk you. Stop coping

[@Psychoanalyze]

@asura3229 if you're not gonna attempt to debunk my argument stands

[@asura3229]

@@Psychoanalyze your entire basis of your argument is wrong Crolo doesn’t scale to Uvogin when it comes to strength or power, you don’t know how much percentage uvogin was using, The creator in the manga was way smaller than the creator in the anime. The nuke used on Meruem is way smaller than the calculation you came up with. There’s so much more wrong with that but I’m too lazy to write more.

[@Psychoanalyze]

@asura3229 yes we do know lol Nen follows logic and he stats he punches at 20% 50% and 100% and you can use any other those But we know it's more likely it's 20% because, when he fought Kuraprikas he stated multiple times he wanted revenge and was angry, and despite that only used 20% for the first attack So when fighting blatenly weaker characters (shadow beasts) it's fair to assume he used 20% And that's a terrible arguement btw Since uvogin is punching at the force that's stronger most nuclear bombs, so why would his goal be to punch at nuclear bombs if he already does? So if the best way understand this issue is trying to calc how power missiles are nukes are and scale characters off that, hence my scale. Also we know that weapons in hxh vary in strength greatly, since Uvogin can tank a RPG rocket, and can take more damage from Kuraprikas And Kuraprika can with stand his attacks, but Kuraprika states some hand guns can deal damage to him in the sucession war So it's makes more logically sense nukes are powerful than the feat portrayed lol and in fiction AP doesn't always equates to DC Since every time Uvogin hit Kuraprika it should've had the same area of effect every time, or anytime a character does any feat it should deal the same destructive damage visually So it's fair to scale off using a mix of rationalism and empiricism

[@aura9944]

I don't see what stopping the phantom troupe by simply projecting their nen and killing toji since he has no nen or cursed energy defenses. toji cant even see or sense their nen attacks.

[@Professor_Fiction]

Nen doesn’t work like that otherwise all the chimera ants would’ve died instantly when they fought Nen users. Initially the chimera ants didn’t have Nen but didn’t instantly explode by standing around Gon and Killua. Toji can also perceive Cursed Energy despite not having any because he can perceive the flow of wind around it, so he can probably do the same with Nen

[@aura9944]

@Professor_Fiction not really the ants had nen but their nodes were still locked and even before they unlocked nen were unconsciously using hatsu. Also projecting your nen is l I Iike what hisoka did to gon and killua in the heavenly arena. no one ever projected their nen to chimera ants before the unlocked their nodes. The closet we get

[@Professor_Fiction]

@@aura9944the ability you are referencing is Ren, not projecting your Nen. Ren is just amplifying your aura and infusing it with bloodlust. The bloodlust is what causes paralysis. Any time a character charges their aura, or launches an attack at a chimera ant, like Gon, Killua, or Pokkle, that is a Ren attack. This is also why when Wing threatened to kill Killua, and activated his Nen, it scared him. Same goes for Zushi The ability to resist a Ren attack is Ten. Just having aura isn't enough because everyone has aura, even normal people. The Chimera Ants didn't learn Ten until Rammot returned from his battle with Gon and Killua. Therefore they should've been suspectable to Ren attacks but weren't. Ren can also work on people WITH Nen, when the person using Ren has much more aura than them, like when Killua or Pitou threatened Rammot

[@hujendong3730]

This is surprising bc i usually view you as competent. Hakari doesn’t dodge lightning, this has been debunked a million times. Kashimo aims for his arm and ifs confirmed and juxtaposed by his reaction to when he uses his lightning attacks. Chatacters dont scale to their domain. What sense does that even make? I summon my innate domain in a barrier and imbue the barrier with my ct… where do you get island level from that????? Lastly, its entirely discourteous and disrespectful to say “well i calc’d the character to mach 250 so the mach 3 statement is out the window!!” the narrative presents an overwhelming amount of conditions to meet mach 3. Reasonably, we have to assume other feats have hidden context that wouldnt make them as fast as the omniscient narrator saying mach 3. If gege thoughts it was such a mistake. He couldve retconned it WITHIN THE MANGA. many authors before (togashi, araki, and oda) have just changed things already printed.

[@Magnetism_0]

1 if you look at actuall panels he did move a little this is suported by the fact that he redirected lightning through his nose So he would have some kind of relativity to lightning 2.yeah they create their innate domain with their own ce it would pass as creation feat 3.it would just mean gege doesnt care enough to change it +He even confirmed he included it cause Mach 3 sounds cool💀 Even if you still wanna to count Mach 3 as narrative then it would just be considered as low end scaling and mhs metas would just be considered as mid or high end for toji

[@Professor_Fiction]

Why would Kashimo aim for him arm when right after he aims for his head? It being a perspective juxtaposition doesn’t make sense since the bolt was on eye level witb Hakari and his shoulder was lower than his chin I said if you don’t like the domain scaling that’s fine, but the reason I included it is because the space Dagon made was equal to that of destroying a mountain in terms of energy. It’s more than a barrier with a technique I didn’t base the debunk on the calc, there’s just a plethora of evidence that the statement is contradictory. Maki catching bullets, numerous characters dodging piercing blood, reacting to lightning, etc. I reason that the statement is more than likely wrong considering this, along with the Gege statement

[@sparkls4492]

We can see the lightning bolt being right in front of his face. And who the hell aims for the arm?? What is he Thor?? He's going for the kill shot obviously.

[@Tupadre97]

@@Professor_Fiction he didn't aim for his arm hakari "noticed" the lightning and slightly dodged out of the way and STILL GOT FUCKING HOT. think of it like this if a major league pitcher throws a 100 mph fastball at my head and i just barley notice it and duck my head out of the way so it hit my arm that doesn't mean i moved at 100 mph dude. all it means is that i can barely notice a 100mph fastball and still get hit by it just like hakari still got hit by the lightning. he didn't dodge shit my guy jjk characters are not lightning timers stop with this bullshit.

[@jijjij6038]

@@Tupadre97 ​​⁠ He’s clearly aiming for the head and make no sense for Kashimo to aim for arms, specifically when he wants to Kill Hakari while he’s in this state. You realize you would still scale to it, doesn’t equal same speed but you still scale to it as you’re moving body out of the way. Hakari notice it and moves his body, normal people can notice lighting but wouldn’t be able to move out of the way like Hakari did. Cope

[@steveoh8036]

Toji counldnt even blitz megumi how tf he could blitz the troupe. Toji has relative speed as faitan and strenght as uvogin, With all the troupes hax, i doubt toji could win, toji wouldnt able to see nen attacks that are hidden by in, so machi, hizoka, frankline could land a hit, if he gets bleed its gg for him cuz shizuku could drain him dry.

[@matheuscidral2680]

Toji would be covered in bungee gum

[@Nickname-ef9zx]

Toji literally stompt on the ground and shot hundreds of pieces with Mach speed with such on perfection on those hundreds Jung fu bunnys without them noiticing it I mean this is just ridiculous this guy is just the flash and hulk in one guy without the healing factor

[@ivanorbu8677]

While he is phisical superior, i think you downplayed the team work and the abilities of the Phantom troupe. They do work toghether and illumi,, shalnark, and chrollo' s abilities togheter are too much for him to handle. Feitan is an extremely skilled fighter, i don't think toji kills him so quickly, and with pain packer he or dies, or gets so damaged that even machi can kill him

[@justblaze1656]

toji beats Feitan within 2 minutes dude

[@ivanorbu8677]

@@justblaze1656 wich are a lot. He can activate pain packer and toast him

[@Tupadre97]

toji mach 3 he doesn't stand a chance vs the troupe /s but for real the phantom troupe should definitely have the speed advantage or at least be equal to toji if you highball him because in no universe are hxh characters slower than motherfuckers that are impressed by mach 3 speeds.

[@seanwuzhere12]

I like Toji but he wouldn’t win. The phantom troupe wouldn’t even have to be in the fight, chrollo can just do what he did to Hisoka and Toji can’t do anything, he’d just keep making clones that’ll explode and eventually get overwhelmed. The troupe has no morals, they have used innocent people to get kills before and even if Toji does kill some their bodies can be cloned and then detonated and cortopi can disguise random people to look like them and even change their own identity. It’ll be a slaughter. You’d have to jump through so many hoops to give Toji the win.

[@Professor_Fiction]

If you have Chrollo prep then Toji would get prep too. I set up the conditions at the start, they are fighting in an open area, it’s not like they start on different sides of the planet and have to assassinate one another

[@sparkls4492]

Chrollo had an entire arena's worth of people to use that on. He planned that entire fight for a year.

[@odin....]

If he fights them one at a time he wins because of better speed + soul split katana but if they jump him its over Edit: I've changed my take somewhat. Toji has not only better speed but better stats in general and would slam all of them at the same time.

[@Wavedashnoir]

Fuck no

[@sparkls4492]

Just cause a group of kindergartners jump me doesn't mean they'll win.

[@odin....]

@@sparkls4492 I've changed my take on this. Toji slams.

[@doctorzogg]

I want Toji to win but he doesn’t have hacks like they do.

[@stack4229]

He has one shot tools

[@ElishaAkemu]

Yh. Plus they are a team.

[@ElishaAkemu]

​@@stack4229that's Toji for u

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@stack4229no he doesn’t

[@ElishaAkemu]

​@@DrnoobzHermidathe soul split katana

[@tjadams98]

Your speed of sound example for netero (even though it was a hypothetical) still doesn’t equate to the toji downplay. As netero did that without his aura even being on. As well as it being a normal punch, not his gwanyin

[@benparrish672]

I am The NashVillain Caelan Erikson & Toji Fushigoro would be Tag Team Champs of Da Worldo in any fictional universe; manga or comix

[@jeremy8316]

can't see the troupe winning if its not from pain packer, sucking blood or some chrolo's schnenigan.. but the island domain scalling directly to AP argument is kinda cap, gojo's infinite void would be goofy.

[@steveoh8036]

Toji counldnt even blitz megumi how tf he could blitz the troupe. Toji has relative speed as faitan and strenght as uvogin, With all the troupes hax, i doubt toji could win, toji wouldnt able to see nen attacks that are hidden by in, so machi, hizoka, frankline could land a hit, if he gets bleed its gg for him cuz shizuku could drain him dry.

[@NonAryanDuck]

Toji literally did blitz Megumi. Did you watch their fight? ​@@steveoh8036

[@RickyFSeiei]

1:28 Ah so you used the Puzzle and Dragons Artwork. I've noticed it right away. I like that game a lot. Also Artwork that doesn't belong to Puzzle and Dragons, that you've shown like Franklin and Hisoka Artwork. Puzzle and Dragons have their Artworks too.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

Netero was beyond sound and not given a specific number while not using Nen. Naoya caps at a verbatim number. They are not comparable. '"You went from infinite to mach-are you okay?" To all of you thinking that, I agree with you.' can be interpreted to the opposite of what you're suggesting because he's LITERALLY agreeing the verse was infinite and is now Mach. Since it has more than one interpretation, you can't pick one as fact and ignore the others. Mr. Mysterious Characters who scales to Toji only showed movement after being hit by lightning and they 'reacted' to a bolt coming from the sky. Speed = distance/time = distance/speed Bigger distance = bigger timeframe = slower speed. So Mr. Mysterious who scales to Toji doesn't scale to the bolt even if they did move in the same timeframe because they wouldn't be moving a comparable distance within it. It's worse than Hakari who also moved after being hit and was also blitzed by it from a distance after becoming faster. For the anime feat, I'll just say the electricity wouldn't necessarily scale to lightning speed since the speed is reliant on the energy in the bolt which should be smaller as a result of domain fatigue along with a previous use if max elephant.

[@Professor_Fiction]

My point wasn’t that Toji was literally equal to the speed of lightning but that the feats displayed are within a relative ballpark. If mystery character was only Mach 3 they would not have been capable of moving that much within that timeframe nor would Hakari

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

@@Professor_Fiction Is what I'm saying. They didn't move in that timeframe because the movement happens after being hit. But saying they did move in that timeframe, how fast would they be? Using the speed of Mach 1,200 from your video and a quick Google search giving the average length for a lightning bolt at 2-3 miles gives a timeframe of 0.00782-0.0117 s. Mach 1,200 = 411,600 m/s 2-3 Miles = 3.219-4.828 km 3,219 m ÷ 411,600 m/s = 0.00782 s 4,828 m ÷ 411,600 m/s = 0.0117 s They didn't move a far distance, just swung their arms over their head, so I'll just say a metre. 1 m ÷ 0.00782 s = 127 m/s (subsonic) 1 m ÷ 0.0117 s = 85 m/s (subsonic) Found another calc that uses a total height of 251 m above the building, putting them at the supersonic hypersonic ranges, which is where I would put Maki anyway.

[@dream1430]

Good argument

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

@@dream1430 Thank you. 👍🏾

[@walnutstudio502]

Jjk chapter 226 constructs in domains are merely symbols so i think domain scaling is inherently flawed. Either way Toni wins so who cares i geuss.

[@Freddy-jf3yg]

Damn, that was an stomp man Random question: certain unnamed character confirmed be on par with Toji vs Quanxi (Csm) Who wins?

[@Professor_Fiction]

I don’t think Chain Saw Man characters really have lightning speed scaling, and their AP feats are generally not that impressive either

[@yeikelamores6085]

Quanxi lose

[@WILLIAMMICHEAL-v6n]

@@Professor_Fiction expect the darkness devil which for some reason just blows the court i mean it can probably bypass infinity and it most likely beats sukuna due to the you know it cant be harmed within the dark and it creates a dark environment seeing how sukunas domain doesnt have a barrier the healing factor would not change

[@jtheelitestudent]

🔥🔥🔥

[@michaelcrouch8809]

Ok so nen and ce are different as you can’t even stand near a strong nen user without experiencing fatigue or even dying so verse equalization no nen equal instant death

[@sparkls4492]

Well considering the average human in hxh is weak as hell. I'd highly doubt a dude as strong as toji would be affected the same way.

[@michaelcrouch8809]

@@sparkls4492 so toji is physically stronger than gon who was lifting up multiple tons before learning nen?? Cause gon couldn’t withstand nen nor killua whos faster and stronger than toji….

[@sparkls4492]

​@@michaelcrouch8809 Toji picked up and threw an entire truck multiple stories into the air. So uh yeah he can definitely lift many many MANY tons with ease. Toji would speed blitz the Troup and decapitate them all.

[@michaelcrouch8809]

@@sparkls4492 gon and killua we’re pushing 32 tons without the use of nen, there servants were also doing the same and all of them are far weaker than any of the troup members. Speed blitz the troup??? The should all be relative to toji in speed he’s stated by the author to be around Mach 3….

[@mr.g6168]

Ngl, the troupe wins

[@Wavedashnoir]

Nah

[@Drc101]

i wonder what nen ability toji would have

[@estesh8049]

Why did you include hisookaaaa 💀

[@baitreview]

The domain=TNT scaling is really dumb. Unfortunately there seems to be no correlation between the size of a domain and it's strength. Gojo's domain is really small, and basically overpowers everything in the verse. Sukuna's domain quite literally doesn't create any space, yet it's the strongest domain in the series. If you ignore the Mach 3 statement, Toji wins anyways, as Maki basically scales him above most of the things the Spiders have done. She dodges lightning and straight up tanks two black flashes from Sukuna and a ton of slashes while managing to live.

[@benjaminchenel3798]

Jjk author : *uses explicit speed scaling, and justifies it afterward* Professor fiction : "Yeah let's ignore that, make it 400 times more"

[@pyroflamekid7412]

The author did later say he regretted that scaling

[@benjaminchenel3798]

@@pyroflamekid7412 That is an interpretation, not his words. Even if he would have changed it, 400 more ? Really ?

[@NonAryanDuck]

*jjk author*: literally had a character react to a point-blank lightning bolt. *You*: Nah, it's Mach 3

[@Zeno1781]

​@@benjaminchenel3798 Author makes the STRONGEST hunter only speed of sound You: nah imma ignore that

[@Professor_Fiction]

Gege wrote a character being Mach 3 and a character shooting lightning less than 10 chapters apart. Obviously there’s an inconsistency in the logic, so I ran with the more supported interpretation, that being they scale to lighting

[@grandwarriorwaluigi1284]

Can someone please tell me how the hell Toji got Tessaiga?!

[@Caffi-cm7oo]

Before watching, My thoughts: Toji alone with his sheer speed and arsenal of weaponry is more than enough to utterly decimate the troupe, what's Chrollo gonna do when Toji speedblitzes him and disembowels him with the splitsoul katana? Same for the other troupe members, even if you equalized power systems Toji doesn't have any cursed energy which would equal nen, they'd STILL struggle in finding him even WITH en, not even Nobunaga could track him down to a pinpoint. Feitan COULD use rising sun if he gets damaged enough but that's provided Toji doesn't immediately kill him, for the rest of the troupe they couldn't even land hits in, that's how fast Toji is.

[@rx-7enjoyer893]

Yep, you were quite close to the video

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@rx-7enjoyer893 yeah and it’s still cap

[@anusaukko6792]

@@DrnoobzHermida Yeah its cap cause Toji would slaughter the phantom troupe, he wouldn't even struggle.

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@anusaukko6792 no actually it’s the opposite because chrollo with prep and faitan and even phinks would whoop tojis ass with their hax

[@scientist368]

Chrollo and Hisola rek him. The rest i dont care.

[@theretroshogun2961]

Ive watched both shows and toji gets mid diffed. Uvogin could run Toji's pockets.

[@sparkls4492]

Uvogin got nothing but big punch

[@theretroshogun2961]

@sparkls4492 a big punch that potentially one shots

[@incogni.bro3957]

sound 4 plus kimmi vs toji

[@Kurocents]

No Illumi?

[@lucamarsiglia7284]

and no gojo dosnt destroy the inverted spear they dosnt know where is so not implied

[@guyhathansaintil5218]

tengen straight up says gojo destroyed it

[@Kdowg222]

I think nen over powers curses in general

[@yeikelamores6085]

No

[@Kdowg222]

@@yeikelamores6085 prove it nen ren has been said to feel like u are naked in a snow storm and literally blow people away or kill them illumi nen I forgot but it's not a lot of his arua if connected with someone just kills them pretty much that them standing there MENACLY!!! Lol not but ren is underrated its conquers haki on steroids its not just gonna make u fall asleep

[@Kdowg222]

@@yeikelamores6085 jjk characters aren't as practice with moving there arua when needed like geyo Ken ko ect they can make there aura invisible and see invisible aura too just by learning nen no fancy abilitys

[@yeikelamores6085]

@@Kdowg222 I don't see anything there that isn't something that cursed energy and cursed techniques cannot do.

[@Kdowg222]

@@yeikelamores6085 but widely known like everyone has those powers

[@Imillumii]

before watching I'm guessing Toji stomps, Toji is way faster than mach three while the troupe was said to be able to dodge sound dodging doesn't make you equal in speed to what your dodging and it was a big deal when Netero surpassed sound who's way stronger than the spiders, Toji also has a one-shot weapon I just cant see Toji losing this ngl After watching i low key nailed it

[@bamby7766]

It was a big deal because Netero surpassed it without using nen.

[@Imillumii]

@@bamby7766 nen doesn't increase speed unless its the main purpose of your hatsu

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@Imillumii bro speed isn’t everything

[@Imillumii]

@@DrnoobzHermida never said it was but when he can move faster then they can react while having a wepon that negates their attacks or durability it does matter

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@Imillumii bro negating would be useless since it will be ineffective and that’s not using verse equalization

[@zukuma-n6c]

Gringo que sobrevalora a toji, porque no me sorprendo..

[@matheuscidral2680]

Sempre os gringos

[@048-s8b]

SSK goes brrr

[@mjwillin]

My boy

[@T2G-DJT]

Its Toji Fushiguro

[@Sociallybeast01]

Mereum vs toji

[@lucamarsiglia7284]

katana soull dsont need soul just ignore physd

[@duncandonuts7115]

Magic school bus wins

[@Lime-green-death-beam]

Toji solos

[@andrewventura3287]

Toji is no mach for the Hunter verse plus meruem netero amd adult gon easily beat his butt

[@amosp9411]

Well, nen users can immobilize normal people with jist their ren, so toji's gonna have a baaad time Also, Uvogin can withstand anti-tank missiles with ease, i dont see toji harming him anybtime soon Also, Toji would not be able to withstand ripper cyclotron or pain packer. And lastly, there is the fact that the phantom troupe's teamwork is unparalleled. I dont see toji winning at all

[@justblaze1656]

you’re tripping like hell, if that’s the logic then Toji is in a constant state of zetsu and is going to murder them before they can even react. he’s strong enough to split what is essentially ocean. not a single phantom troupe member beats toji 1v1 and if he uses hit and run and stealth he still murders them most likely

[@Professor_Fiction]

Ren doesn’t work like that, otherwise the Chimera Ants would’ve been instantly paralyzed every time they fought people with Nen. Toji fights curses that can withstand carpet bombings, tanks are not out of the question even ignoring the fact he has a sword that cuts your soul The phantom troupe rarely ever work together

[@amosp9411]

@@Professor_Fiction by the standards of a human, the chimera ants are nen prodigies which is why they don't get harmed by ren Also, they worked together for the slaughter of the kurta clan, and regardless of how often they work together, their teamwork is nigh impeccable, as seen during their altercation with the Mafia

[@Professor_Fiction]

The Chimera Ants didn’t have Nen at the time tho. They were just the ants. They had no awareness of Nen whatsoever, and it’s not implied they passively knew Ten or anything During the mafia battle, they each ran around separately attacking different groups of people. That’s not the same as fighting together against one guy

[@PeterOkoye-dc2sc]

The unnamed character is mark

[@Kenos347]

Toji low diffs.

[@hk-ex4gw]

Domain scaling is outright stupid dawg wtf is this. This city block fodder gets neg diffed by pt

[@yeikelamores6085]

The weakest special class curses are already minimal multi city block and calls Toji city block

[@hk-ex4gw]

@@yeikelamores6085 dura=/=ap. Toji has no feat even close to town level

[@anusaukko6792]

@@hk-ex4gw Does that matter though? Toji doesn't need an attack that destroys an entire city when he'll just speedblitz and slaughter them using his cursed tools.

[@sparkls4492]

​@@hk-ex4gw Dude's super speed would be more than enough. Doesn't matter how strong the other fighter is if they're too slow to hit Toji.

[@hk-ex4gw]

@@sparkls4492 theyre all faster than toji. Toji scales to maki as per statement and maki is around mach 3

[@bamby7766]

Uvogin alone is enough

[@andrewventura3287]

And feitan

[@Kenos347]

cap

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

Even a finger bearer have the same level feats as uvogin lol

[@devilstequila]

Anyway- Chrollo reks Toji on his own 😋

[@devilstequila]

Them getting blitzed by Toji? Lmfao most of the phantom troupe members are faster than him Toji: Subsonic+ Chrollo: Hypersonic+ Feitan: Hypersonic Nobunaga: Hypersonic Uvogin: high hypersonic+ and so on- like what are you talking about Toji is faster than the troupe by a lot?

[@matheuscidral2680]

I guess he's using the not canonical scenes in the anime where toji is killing megumis rabbits using small rocks (I don't even know if its possible to kill a shikigamis without cursed energy)

[@matheuscidral2680]

The troupe stomps

[@lucamarsiglia7284]

inveerted work on teqiniq not nen

[@totalmentenaoeojrdumar4666]

toji DOES not win against the phantom troupe damn lol, i didint watch the video, but he got 0 chances against them

[@bamby7766]

Honestly Uvogin himself is already a bit too much against Toji, against the whole troupe I don't see how he's winning lol.

[@awakening3940]

Go n watch the vid before judging toji tools is going to be able to handle the troops like bread n butter

[@cjcj4861]

Teleporting toij you around would not delay the inevitable you obviously don't know what you're talking about chrollo is going to destroy him very badly stop the cap listen to stop that shit right there you've obviously being biased throughout this whole video using that domain shit it's not going to work it's still inevitable you want to talk about teleportation is inevitable let's talk about that expansion is inevitable if you want to play that game I can play that game too

[@cjcj4861]

They always work together even though they don't want to that is an argument that has already been debunked ha stupid can you be come on Professor fiction don't tell me you ain't that slow I'm starting to think that you are now that I'm curious

[@cjcj4861]

He's not stronger than the Phantom Troupe I think you don't read the Hunter x Hunter manga if you going to say something stupid is obvious that

[@cjcj4861]

Why do all these forget about it scaling is irrelevant we already know the Phantom Troupe is too powerful for toij to handle. He's unable to do anything it doesn't matter it's pointless at this point I'm going with the Phantom Troupe sorry jjk fans but you not taking this one

[@andrewventura3287]

I heard not so many people don't understand anything of the system works, even tserriednich solos the jujusukiasen verse

[@princelamar1735]

Power scaling is not irrelevant here as it is why toji would in fact beat the troup due to having superior feats and weapons that would annihilate the troup. You saying something isn’t the case doesn’t make it so, evidence and reasoning > you.

[@Professor_Fiction]

“Scaling is irrelevant” “the troupe is too powerful” you might wanna read that again

[@Professor_Fiction]

Tserridnich hasn’t even done anything thus far. He has weird hax abilities but none that can actually defeat someone conventionally. It’s even explained in the manga his Nen beast doesn’t kill people so he can make pawns out of them

[@cjcj4861]

@@Professor_Fiction I've already read them I'm going to watch the anime you don't know what you're talking about you worried about scaling it is irrelevant what is toji going to do against them nothing the Phantom troop is going to body this dude

[@cjcj4861]

Can you shut up saying multi City Block Level just talked about the abilities dude why do powers scalars always so in depth of doing this shit just get to the point we already know the Phantom Troupe is going to win what is the point of doing this make the video accurate do not piss me off by wasting my time

[@somerandomdiamond7345]

If you are watching a video about a battle, scaling the attributes of the contestants against one another is the best way to deduce a winner. Fights are measures of abilities, skills, and physical stats. Scaling that power is necessary, so powerscaling will take place. How can you be surprised at the presence of powerscaling in a powerscaling video. Plus, the categorisation of strength values like 'multi city block level' serve to provide a sense of scale. The alternative would be just throwing up numbers on the screen to show the amount of force a character could generate. If two characters are unleashing incredibly high levels of energy, it can be difficult to determine the difference in strength between the two combatants. But 'town level' and 'city level' are a lot more distinct. Finally, if you just want to know who is going to win, skip to the end of the video.

[@Professor_Fiction]

Abilities don’t matter as much if you get speed blitzed and one shot before you activate them

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@LinJie0 ahh there is a thing called a post mortem nen

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@Professor_Fiction speed blitzing does not matter when there is a thing called a post mortem nen

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@Professor_Fiction you downplay Hxh too much bro

[@cjcj4861]

No toij does not stand no chance against any other Phantom Troupe from Hunter x Hunter congratulations Professor fiction you have made yourself look stupid already once again this battle is not even close

[@meliasnahtony2951]

Oi. Provide evidence of your claims. Come on, back those words up with some facts

[@princelamar1735]

Says the guy who’s not going by scaling but going by personal bias instead.

[@Kenos347]

Salty hxh fan

[@xxm4716]

Thanks for pointing about the speed thing in JJK. I swear mfs at VSBW often downplay charaters while also overplay some characters. Tojis profile in his speed is only cap at subsonic+ like bro who the hell let charge of these guys???

[@cjcj4861]

No toij does not stand no chance against any other Phantom Troupe from Hunter x Hunter congratulations Professor fiction you have made yourself look stupid already once again this battle is not even close

[@somerandomdiamond7345]

Not to discredit your statement, but proof?