Latin Phonetics Part 2: Consonants

[@DrunkenHotei]

2:23 - Correction: The /t/ in _tired_ is (generally) aspirated. You should look at an example like the /t/ in _stand_ or _extensive_ for an unaspirated /t/ in the vast majority of native English-speaking dialects. You also aspirated each the "t"s in the examples you gave in Latin. Also, the /t/ phoneme in _nation_ is effectively replaced in almost all modern native English dialects. It is the usually the "sh" sound, /ʃ/, as you illustrate when you say the word "humiliation" to highlight the difference. With all due respect, I recommend watching Dr. Geoff Lindsey's video(s) on voiced plosives and aspiration in English for a quick primer (or review) on this area of phonetics, because you are clearly confused on some aspects of it.

[@adryanclay]

I love how Dave's content goes from how evolution works during the time to the start of life from a single (or multiple) single celled organism to today's era and its naturalistic properties... to latin consonants 😂😂

[@yesitcanspeak]

I could be wrong, but isn't Latin pretty much used for most of scientific terminology?

[@adryanclay]

@@yesitcanspeak Yes

[@DrPonner]

He's a jack of all trades sort of fella.

[@pietrosier4083]

Most Europeans speak 2 or more languages.

[@feliciageorgeson3607]

This Hungarian by mother probably has no perfect idea about Latin pronunciation. I found only here 910 mustakes

[@kakahass8845]

The "T" in tired is aspirated. EDIT: Also "Qu" is [kʷ] not [kw] the difference is the first one (the one in Latin) is "K" with the lips rounded while the second (the one we use in "Quick) is "K" followed by "W".

[@DrunkenHotei]

Indeed. And _nation_ doesn't have a /t/ phoneme at all in the vast majority of English dialects. He wanted examples like _stand_ and _extensive_ for unaspirated /t/ pronunciations in English. Methinks Dave could benefit from an introductory linguistics course, especially in endeavoring to teach another language.

[@jenm1]

isn't he doing a different version though?

[@kakahass8845]

@@jenm1 What do you mean by "Different version"?

[@SumriseHD]

Is it possible that the r in mors is a little bit wrong at 2:09? It seems you pronounce it as ɹ while it should be ɾ or r

[@Langwigcfijul]

Yes, and /s/ is always voiceless in Latin. The voicing and eventual rhoticisation already took effect before the Classical period. The voicing also occurs almuch later in the individual Romance branches.

[@valkeakirahvi]

Yep, he didn't roll that one!

[@DrunkenHotei]

@@Langwigcfijul That's only true for Classical Latin. Old Latin apparently used the voiced allophone when an _s_ occurred between vowels.

[@Langwigcfijul]

@@DrunkenHotei And Old Latin isn't being taught.

[@amora45617]

I enjoy your content very much sir. Off topic question. I am curious to know if you have studied any possible theories on how the pyramids were built? If it is humanly possible to move and build a structure so massive with modern physics. Please any info sir. Thanks for the videos.

[@Hahahaha.12x4]

The intro🐐

[@pietrosier4083]

Professor Dave, you are my number one scientists. Best explained, with some sarcasme attached. Love how you crumble the (pseudo) scientists. Keep on doing, what you are doing. My native tongue is dutch, so i am a bit jealous how good your english vocabulary is, and your pronounciation of the certain jargon. I mean this with the utmost respect. Me myself, i am a autodidact (self taught). My biggest regret is that i havent studied at the highest levels. Anyhow, i understand your explainations 100%. Please continue your content on you tube. Greetings from the Netherlands.

[@RivBank-o3j]

I’m sorry what?

[@thomaskozachek6720]

So glad you're doing this course (I was just watching one of your old videos on glycolysis and stumbled onto this video ...) and looking forward to future videos. My understanding of the pronunciation of the ng combination in classical pronunciation is that it tended toward engma + en, which seems also a little more natural to me. Thanks!

[@VictoriaTheVita]

Thank you, very helpful!

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

Would you please cover the history and responsible medical use of banned substances and where they originate from (*the plant's Latin name, species, where green, etc.) including how they were found in archeology digs, pharaoh's tombs, and how Prohibition affected alcohol then marijuana, etc. I heard there was research where GMO yeast created opioid compounds. I have the research somewhere but I can't post links here anyway, but it's on x if you want to find it. I'd like to hear your analysis and if this is really possible. After watching the reason TV opioid video from about 4 months ago, I think we've been duped ...while Pain Patients, and Doctors who treat them, became the casualties in a failed global drug war. Thank you.

[@khushisansar]

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[@yesitcanspeak]

Would it be better to learn this each video or wait for a group of them? Also people why watch and comment on an educational channel if you have no interest in learning the lesson?

[@Kepler-17c]

Back in school we were taught some of them differently, e.g. ph as in phosphorus, h as in horse, v as in vine. It was briefly mentioned that we know pronunciations today from archeological findings in ancient language schools, where examples were listed like you did in this video - just using familiar languages of the time, instead of English. Did you and/or the professor you consulted with, compile this list using such findings? Maybe my knowledge on this is a bit outdated and new findings corrected some things in the meantime (mind my last Latin lesson was over a decade ago).

[@aeon_zero]

I am pretty sure he makes at least a couple of mistakes in the video. Maybe there are different approaches to it as it's a dead language and all that

[@kakahass8845]

@@aeon_zeroHe does make some mistakes like how he mentions the "T" in tired is unaspirated (It is aspirated) different approaches are like the pronunciation of the letter "R" most say it's a trill but I read a convincing paper that argued that since it was an epenthetic consonant (A consonant added so that 2 vowels wouldn't be right next to one another) it was likely a tapped "R" as in "beTTer" or "goTTa" in an American accent.

[@aeon_zero]

​@@kakahass8845 I am also pretty sure that "-ae" plural is simply read as "e" (without the a) the "ti" in "militiae" is read as a "zi". Also the "v" is sometimes just read as a "v" instead of a "u", as in "vinum". I believe these are are because he comes at it from English instead of a Romance language, at least in the video.

[@kakahass8845]

@@aeon_zero"Ae" in CLASSICAL Latin is pronounced as the /a/ vowel (Phonetically [ä]) followed by /e/ however in ECCLESIASTICAL Latin it IS pronounced as /e/ I am unsure as what you mean by "Zi" are you talking about /t͡si/, /zi/, /si/ or /ti/? Because in classical Latin it was always [t] and while in the later periods /v/ was pronounced as [β] in classical Latin it was still [w]. Note: If you (The reader) are unfamiliar with the IPA I should explain that when I use slashes I am talking about phonemes (Unit of sound as how speakers perceive them ignoring the exact details for example the "T" in "Tone" and "Stone" are different but they are seen as the same sound so they're the same phoneme) whenever I use square brackets I am talking about phones (The exact sound used) if you ever feel unsure about how to pronounce something go to Wikipedia they have a chart with all possible sounds humans can make and if you click on them you'll be able to see their pronunciation.

[@aeon_zero]

@@kakahass8845 I meant "tsi" I guess, my knowledge of the subject doesn't go that far! Good to know about V and AE, had no idea

[@pietrosier4083]

By the way ,i am a linguistophile myself. I love the history, and the development and slow changes of languages through a long periode of time. Dave, you sound be president. The level of governing in America is not about pure content anymore,but about throwing mud to echt other. 1 or 2 more political porties extra would be good for the country. Greetings from the Netherlands. ( i have one qustion for you, i hope ill have a respond. We have a animal party in the Netherlands, serious. Whats your opinion on this. The topicstarter of the party are really serious,and did a lot of good for nature habitat, protection of animals and legislation. Let me know if you find a moment.

[@gabagoul67]

what happend to his twitter? does anyone know?

[@jamiegallier2106]

Thank you!❤

[@pietrosier4083]

How come that most Americans dont speak a secon d language? other than English?

[@lucyla9947]

Because English is enough to get you by in America and most Americans never end up leaving the country.

[@donchristie420]

Yea

[@KingCrafter999]

Actually tysm Dave

[@martinkarov7236]

I appreciate your videos Dave! Do you consider making a video about homeopathy in the future?

[@TheTurfrex]

Dr Dave. Im trying to get back into speaking Latin. Its been a long time since ny High School days. Im currently using Duo, but do you have any other suggestions(books/apps) that will expedite my learning? Gratias

[@farinap2000]

Speaking might not the main purpose of learning Latin these days. In fact not even priests speak it anymore. However, aside from all the many practical reasons that Professor Dave has already listed, one of the main purposes of learning Latin would be the pleasure of reading the classics in the original. Priceless. Kids might not understand. I praise the fact that you are still interested in such a beautiful and complex language. A good Latin grammar like Wheelock's Latin would be beneficial. It has sentences and exercises. In the meantime, just follow the Professor...

[@TheTurfrex]

Thanks for getting back to me. Wow, I thought Latin was making a come back in Europe. I'm going to probably move to Portugal in a couple of years and I figured since those languages are kind of related and I know a little Latin I could manage. Thank god there's a,ton of Ex Pat's there. Thanks Again!!

[@farinap2000]

Well...then Latin knowledge will be most useful in the understanding of modern romance languages... both in grammar and vocabulary! I am Italian, educated in Italy through undergrad school with Latin and ancient Greek, so I am a living proof. Keep watching Professor Dave's tutorials! Just know that I have utmost respect for you!! @@TheTurfrex

[@TheTurfrex]

​@@farinap2000thanks I really appreciate those kind words of encouragement!

[@valkeakirahvi]

At least don't learn pronunciation from Duolingo, it's painful :D There are a lot of great yt channels, for example RVMAK and Musa Pedestris have great content in spoken Latin, and plenty of other channels have video series teaching Latin.

[@desmond3828]

Immunology please

[@wariacikminecraft321]

Man that's crazy did you graduate in everything?

[@lucyla9947]

He gets experts in the field to help with scriptwriting.

[@wariacikminecraft321]

@@lucyla9947 that makes sense

[@luish1498]

this remind me one famous video when people say words in many languages and then one girl say that word in german

[@dirtydan6960]

Dave... there is a new conglomerate of flat earthers.... can we DM? I need help.

[@pietrosier4083]

Because answering all the difficult answers in favour of god, is the easiest way out.

[@Orbaxun.Grolvo.3rd.company]

Hey Dave, can you do a video scientifically debunking the chemtrail and 5g conspiracy theories, please? 😁

[@pietrosier4083]

The god believers who reject difficult science, actually say: I dont know!

[@balaclavabob001]

People called Romans they go to the house ?

[@asonuniq]

You're about to get a grammar lesson from John Cleese

[@andrewrichards9513]

If he ain't ripping apart flerfers i aint watching 👍😂😂😂

[@nacl4988]

Nah fuck this I'd rather be MUTE than learn Latin. Good vid tho.

[@OldBenOne]

You already know Latin: cent, century, centimeter - circle, circumnavigate, circumcise - omnivore, omnipotent, omnidirectional - international, intersection, intercept - polygon,. polygamy, polychrome - semiannual, semicircle, semiconscious and hundreds of other words.

[@nacl4988]

@@OldBenOne yeah and I don't want to know any more.

[@TheTurfrex]

Vade vilis amicus meus!!

[@andrewjustin256]

Are you out of your marbles, Mr. Dave? Who in his right mind needs to learn Latin when we have Spanish, Italian, Portuguese and million more languages to learn? Besides, it has died and even presumably someone learns it, how on earth will it be helpful for one?

[@atomtheconqueror7628]

☝️🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓acshually latin is a dead language, so its pointless to oearn it

[@archuserbytheway]

It's useful

[@Linuxpunk81]

You should probably watch his first video in this series where he explains just how useful a working knowledge of Latin is, especially when learning other romance languages as you pointed out. It can also be helpful to parse the meaning a word with Latin roots, especially in scientific circles.

[@gianb3952]

Probably no one needs to. But it’s cool and interesting. Just like no one needs to learn chemistry to survive lol

[@andrewjustin256]

@@Linuxpunk81 With all respect, nowadays people barely scratch the surface of learning English, far it be the other languages. And you are chatting about finding a root, then classifying a word, afterwards seeing its similarities with other words, then treading a tightrope of scrutinizing other languages, and then learn it? I have to disagree that people are still not aware that English is non-phonetic language and words are not to be pronounced how it looks!