Bethesda is Dead. Starfield Shattered Space is the nail. (Review)

[@Mugthief]

I used to be a space adventurer like you but I took a space that shattered my knee. Remember to like the video and maybe even subscribe for more! Thanks for watching, see you soon!

[@thelaughingrouge]

They've been making this exact same game for 20 years and somehow they keep doing a worse job every time, how is that possible?!

[@JGD199]

We have been using the same janky engine and refuse to innovate, and our quality of storytelling & world-building has been on the decline, but I can’t believe people don’t like our products!! “Meh it’s a Bethesda Game!” It’s not even that anymore…

[@lotogallant2647]

Does Bethesda even know what the people think about starfield? Do they see what we say?

[@prisonbread]

You're on fire right now, Mug. Really appreciate the break from other youtubers' endlessly predictable hot-takes. You always give things a chance and operate in good faith; your voice is becoming an important one on the platform. Looks like we'll be seeing you get that 50k haircut sooner than you expected - leave the mustache intact plz

[@kenpachi1989]

It says a lot that both the story and combat feel too long for what they're worth. In a DLC that takes 6 hours to complete. Yikes.

[@prisonbread]

Technically the DLC is 12 hours if you count loading screens/animations

[@archersterling6726]

*oof*

[@t-rexreximus359]

😂😂

[@CrzYbaDmutha2245]

🥶😅

[@themagnus2919]

The UC questline is better than this.

[@wolveric0]

savage 😂

[@traiges414]

Starfields DLC being a disappointment was actually on my bingo card for 2024. Next point would be for Ubisoft going bankrupt

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I doubt Ubisoft will go bankrupt. I think it will be bought by someone and restructured.

[@kroganshepard6594]

You might wanna save that for your 2025 bingo card.

[@TwoHandedChargedBonk]

Up next: The Failguard flops, EA blames "the bigots" for that and shuts down that long-dead corpse of Bioware.

[@Anarchyttg]

I want this to fail so they finally open their ears. Everything Starfield has wrong with it has been brought up in prior titles long before it even launched. Starfield is just the first of their games to have nothing I can give praise to over the others. TES 6 is going to be a nightmare at this rate.

[@detectivemadoka69420]

TES 6 will still use Creation Engine and Emil will be it's main writer. I'm not joking, look it up.

[@PassDaMethod]

I'm so sick of people who don't play video games being in charge of creating video games.

[@nix98zlcy]

Indie games are our only salvation... And those AAA directors that manage to convince/lie to the executives

[@lordbertox4056]

Welcome to : every single industry in the world with corporations

[@villings]

what, like Hidetaka Miyazaki?

[@TakaChan569]

@@nix98zlcy That is such a bad take, there are a crap ton of bad indies put out on steam everyday, assist flips and some outright scams. Gaming would be no fun at all if Indies were all we had, we need both AAA and Indies for a healthy industry.

[@nix98zlcy]

@@TakaChan569 damn, I honestly had no idea there were so many indie scams, gonna check it out.

[@TeamGreenBurrito]

The Bethesda that made Morrowind through Skyrim no longer exists. The Bungie that made Halo CE through Reach doesn’t exist. The Bioware that made the Mass Effect trilogy and Dragon Age Origins doesn’t exist. The Ubisoft that made AC 1 through Black Flag doesn’t exist. This is simply the nature of the video game industry. Don’t cry because it’s over, cheer because you were there for it.

[@Rayder2341]

Cant believe people really get attached to faceless corporations like that

[@c6q3a24]

​@@Rayder2341 That's EXACTLY the point... The faceless corporation does not make games - the PEOPLE who work there do.

[@thefilmdirector1]

You were blind if you didnt see this slowly coming, every game beyond Oblivion was lazy and as shallow as a puddle

[@qinlongfei]

I'm curious who must have been the other important bethesda developers who made these games. People talk about important Bioware developers leaving the studio, but all we know about Bethesda is Toady Coward and his lies.

[@Naruku2121]

Yeah, I think at this point if you're old enough to see the differences. The talent in those days that made those games are likely mostly gone, and in their place are people that have yet to fill those shoes sadly.

[@leviathan5207]

This compared to the phantom liberty expansion for CP2077 is like comparing rat poison to a five star meal.

[@fernan2342]

This made the Horse Armor DLC look good. At least it was honest

[@TheAmishTechSupport]

Phantom Liberty is so damn good. It's probably the best DLC I've ever played. The fact that it creates a new ending for the base game is just 🤌

[@betag24cn]

your comparison is disrespectful to rat poison that works, this dlc does not

[@carpathianhermit7228]

comparing phantom liberty to launcb cyberpunk77

[@foxysnxp]

@@dianuevo8925 get a load of this gonk

[@rynlo93]

Larian added to BG3 much more content with free patches, than Bethesda did in a year for $30

[@Pickle_Maniac]

And how many patches? HEAPS, are these guys chained to their desks? 😆 Guys, blink if you need help lol

[@2138Dude]

I don't mind paying, as long as it's something like blood and wine for witcher or at least far harbor for f4.

[@rickrockreggae3719]

They've added 0 content. They polished up stuff that should've been polished when it released. The "bad ending" from patch 7 for example isn't some content that you got for free - it's something you already paid for they just didn't finish that yet. And if every line of dialogue is "content" for you then I don't see why you would not like modern slop. They did not create new characters, classes, subclasses, items, worlds, locations or quests since launch.

[@balmorrablue3130]

@@rickrockreggae3719you’re right larian literally didn’t introduce a single new piece of content to their game yet still added more than shattered space does lmao

[@forrestdalpiaz284]

Why was Larian adding stuff to a single player full price game. Remember when a game was released, and that was that. Gamers need to stop being so greedy and expecting everygame to be a live service. Then cry when every game is a live service

[@bobrichey1]

Starfield made me realize that Morrowind was a long time ago and that the Bethesda that created that weird and wonderful game is gone forever.

[@darkstar0000000000]

It feels bad, but it be the truth.

[@c6q3a24]

Microsoft killed Bethesda, and is wearing their skin.

[@DubberRucks]

Yup. It's a tough one to accept but accept it we must and move on.

[@smokingbarrels7019]

Only through acceptance can we move on.

[@comyuse9103]

But the real Bethesda got back together! Once Lost Games is a new game studio with the original creators of TES and they are making a spiritual successor to daggerfall

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

Honestly so dumb that this is the secret homeworld of the Varune, yet spacers and pirates are all over it… couldn’t think of anything original to replace those enemies that feel completely out of place? I guess not.

[@chaosinc.382]

Coulda been an order of zealots that fell outta power who are hostile to all non-Varrune NPCs instead of pirates, but no. Coulda been Varrune on pilgrimage as miscellaneous NPCs instead of Spacers, but no.

[@snvicsvoid4136]

Crazy that new vegas took obsidian a year and some(with bethesdas engine!!!) and is considered the best fallout while bethesda takes a decade to create something only to be painfully mid. I 100% lost faith in this company after the release of starfield.

[@shahgyy]

Yep. They were bought and dont have to try anymore

[@ImmaLogins-l4k]

New Vegas is boring and ugly and plays like 💩. Obsidian sucks, avowed is going to be starfield 2.0 and the outer worlds was cringe

[@fintanduffyable]

After 76 fr me🤣🤘

[@fintanduffyable]

Would rather the crap graphics than a crap game

[@db5094]

@@ImmaLogins-l4k okay. said everything you want to say?

[@VikingRobotNinja]

Shivering Isles feels like an eternity ago

[@AG26498]

Because....it actually kinda is....

[@avalonjustin]

CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!🧀😃

[@idiot_city5444]

Because it was dude...

[@powerbeard5653]

its crazy how the quality of AAA games is straight up regressing

[@Deadsea_1993]

Has been for a very long time now. I'm probably going to just go Nintendo only next gen cause at least I can expect high quality Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Mario games like Mario Kart 9, etc. Games well worth full price and even more tbh. The entire industry is a mess other than that. I have so little faith in Gta 6 and Red Dead Redemption 3 at this point

[@c6q3a24]

They are incompetence pieces of shit who literally hate you...

[@arostwocents]

Retro :D just installed Planescape Torment on Vita

[@TheOLsnaps]

@@Deadsea_1993you are forgetting Sony who just had Helldivers 2 and astrobot . They also wolverine and got 2 . I know got2 is getting hate now but that’s on culture and politics stuff. As far as the game being fun I still expect it to be.

[@LukeDunlapMusic]

I know man. Why the fuck now? I'm in my 30's and wanna play games in my spare time but nothing new excites me, season pass this, bugs and glitches that, taking unoriginal concepts and copy and pasting them like we've never played their previous games before... have to be always online just to update a patch :( welcome to gaming in 2024

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

Bro. The coffin lid was fallout 74. Starfield and this dlc is just the dirt being throw on top of it. 😂😂

[@c6q3a24]

100% correct.

[@tylerhill40]

76

[@SabertoothK120]

Fallout 69

[@dearen7588]

Starfield was a test for where Bethesda are at and how TES6 will be. New IP, long time in development. This was their chance to knock it out of the park. This could have in theory worked if they made it on a new engine, hired competent writers, actually used design docs, etc... But no, Bethesda is cooked

[@MrStrangeUsername]

​@@dearen7588 it feels bad that the only hope is for Microsoft to clean house. you know it's bad when M$ is your lifeline for good management decisions.

[@mughug9616]

It is time for all of us to admit that Bethesda is Bethesda in name ONLY, not in the original soul, heart, creativity and quality that we once saw from this studio. Time to admit that if we take the name 'Bethesda' away, we have nothing special. Nothing special that could have been created by many, many other studios out there. Time to RIP Bethesda as a AAA studio. And time to sincerely fear for The Elder Scrolls 6 being a mere shadow and insult to the heritage of Skyrim.

[@c6q3a24]

Bethesda does not exist. This is Microsoft.

[@mughug9616]

@@c6q3a24 Bethesda were working on Starfield a long time before Microsoft came on the scene.

[@ElyonDominus]

@@c6q3a24 Bethesda hasn't made an RPG in twenty years. You can't blame MS for Todd Howard's philosophy.

[@Kardfogu]

@@c6q3a24 Thing is, Microsoft kept todd howard around, this is the same failure skyrim is. Empty, greyscale, boring and shallow, Starfailed is skyrim all over, but with slightly better graphics. The game is sadly what skyrim fans asked before skyrim fans realized what they asked for. It is just as much of a Bethesda game as skyrim was, it's the same product from the same soulless company. Ken Rolston left in 2006, Bethesda failed to deliver anything worth 5 minutes of my freetime ever since.

[@Smokeyourselfstraighttohell]

The fact mputhbreqthers like ypu go on and on about skyrim and not the series as a whole proves you don't deserve nice things

[@thesorrow7499]

Shattered Space? More like waste of space (on the SSD)

[@DubberRucks]

Sh@rted Space... all over the SSD

[@b_marble9974]

Gottem

[@villings]

I saw someone call it "sharted space" and can't stop thinking about that

[@NecroBanana]

The problem with Starfield is that it's such a casualised RPG experience that it tries to do everything to not make the RPG mechanics matter. Couple that with a lackluster story and even less impressive NPCs and you get a recipe for disaster

[@jong2359]

The problem with Starfield is that there are too many major things wrong with Starfield to list in a KZbin comment.

[@thefilmdirector1]

yes and no. Technically FF 16 is very RPG lite, and yet has an awesome main story, fantastic combat, and no random forced wokeness where it doesnt belong. The one character in the game who is gay doesnt use that as their entire personality, in fact its actually a game of thrones style plot twist over half way into the game that hes gay, and then thats it he says goodbye to his lover and its never brought up again. This is how you make a game inclusive in the correct way. Not the bethesda/ubisoft way where every female except 1 or 2 look non binary/trans.

[@dianuevo8925]

Casualized? Nah, you are just used to bethesda's high level of complexity. So you think it's normal. Now cyberpunk is stylized Casual rpg garbage. But starfield? The fact you think it's simple shows your ignorance.

[@ElyonDominus]

​@@thefilmdirector1"Woke" alright kid.

[@ElyonDominus]

​@@dianuevo8925Oblivion is a streamlined Morrowind. Skyrim is a streamlined Oblivion. Fallout 4 is a simplified Skyrim. Starfield is a simplified Fallout 4. That streamlining has removed all RPG elements from their games. Bethesda makes action adventure games now and Starfield removed the adventure part. Now it's just an action game studio and they've never been good at that.

[@IchbinX]

Why is everyone saying "1st" Expansion... it's the ONLY expansion. They're done, and they know it. They aren't gonna waste a dime on this game.

[@dylankirkland5118]

Ehh, Bethesda is dumb, so I'd give it 1-2 more DLCs before they realize people aren't buying it and stop. The fact they're even making DLCs for this game is puzzling to be frank.

[@chacachaca11]

@@dylankirkland5118considering how little traction this expansion gained upon release, justifying a second one seems like a terrible business proposition when they are working on ES6 right now too. Idc really but I don’t expect a second one and frankly hope they move on from starfield. This ain’t gonna be another Skyrim. That race is already lost

[@peakatchu]

lol look at these Sony fanboys who don’t play anything crying 🤣🤣🤣

[@publiusdos5925]

@@dylankirkland5118 I suspect that the money people have already decided to cut their losses on Starfield and are directing all resources to ES6, which is destined to be the greatest shitshow in gaming history.

[@lord_horrick]

But they're going to try and charge me $5 for a crappy space suit

[@androsh9039]

Beth needs to listen to feedback before they ruin ES6.

[@stateofmind578]

I think it's already too late. Back in the days they had no serious competition, so they always got away with modders fixing and improving their games. But nowadays they have a lot of competition, who do the same, but better. And since they have said they stick with their outdated and buggy engine, nothing will change.

[@ColorsFadeGaming]

It's too late. The people responsible for games like Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout 4 are now gone from the company. Starfield is the result of what's left, with only poor leadership to show the way. ES6 will be a disaster.

[@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss]

As if it isn't already dead. Lmao

[@Homiloko2]

You still have any hope? Please get off the copium

[@raymondstewart3350]

Hot take: Bethesda needs to ruin ES6. It's tough, but it's for the greater good. Only that will bring real change.

[@madmantheepic7278]

Bruh how many nails has it been already 😭, the slop eaters will keep buying their games and they’ll limp on until ES6 where it’ll be the real and final nail, and even then the slop eaters will still buy Skyrim and FO4 over and over again until the heat death of the universe

[@Frog-bo7wv]

This is true

[@thelaughingrouge]

I wish this wasn't 100% accurate

[@KA-vs7nl]

slop eaters spend their entire paycheck in FO76 each week

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

SethTzeentek was right. Starfield is a game for dads.

[@dathunderman4]

Ppl barely bought this dlc tho.

[@LonelyIslandKid09]

“The ending of this DLC will have you choosing between people you hate.” Oh, its Fallout 4 again!

[@DavidCookeZ80]

At least in FO4 you could turn one of them into a radioactive crater; satisfying!

[@detectivemadoka69420]

11:48 You're literally fighting enemies with Loading Screens as powers, this can't be real.

[@lethanosjames2976]

There was a post on r/Starfield a couple of hours after the release of shattered space that called it the best DLC of bethesda, even better than Far Harbour. You cannot make this shit up

[@gooby2633]

I put Shattered Space and Far Harbour on the same level, didn’t hate them but not a fan of them either. Both painfully mid

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

​@@gooby2633Far Harbour was a GG expansion for a mid game alright. But this dlc was just diahrreia on top of a fresh turd mate.

[@gooby2633]

@@JoaoVictor-rg5ix meh, bgs has put out worse. Still no good though

[@Deadsea_1993]

That's because nothing but shills are on that sub because any criticism, even valid ones, results in a ban. Typical Reddit mods on a power trip. People praise the ship building and it is like "umm who cares ? You can't even treat it like a transport vehicle. It is a hub world hahaha.

[@Rayder2341]

It may be the best starfield dlc, but thats as far as it goes

[@truefox1259]

I genuinely hate how afraid bethesda is of locking content depending on your decisions and just letting you start a new character to experience new factions. Remember in Morrowind where we also had 3 great houses that represented a playstyle and you were supposed to make an informed decision for yourself what great house you wanted to join (Barring a bug that let you join 2). I hate this idea that bethesda has had for the past 10-15 some odd years where a single character is supposed to be able to complete EVERY quest line, like a barbarian that somehow becomes the arch mage, or a sneaky stealth archer somehow becoming the most honorable warrior in the land without even lifting a sword or an axe, just because Bethesda is SOOO afraid of asking people to start a new game, and forcing everyone to just become a king of all trades, like they did in Fallout 4. Instead of letting people SPECIALIZE. I think it was a MASSIVE missed opportunity to let you do all 3 questlines for the great houses BEFORE making a decision on who to support, and making a big extensive questline for each great house instead of just a few odd jobs.

[@sebbenforte]

This is really the point that demonstrates how Bethesda has lost its character as a developer. Gating content based on player decisions is what gave the world stakes. It's proof that the bean counters are in total control of the company. Gating content makes perfect sense to a gamer; it makes no sense to a money-man who is paying a voice actor for lines that 90% of the audience will never hear.

[@idakev]

Tbf, maybe 5% of players replay games and 30-40% finish them on average. But I suppose knowing that your choices matter is still fun and helps a game to stick around in people's minds

[@darkstar0000000000]

@@idakev Nice stats, was it hard pulling those out of your ass?

[@c6q3a24]

​@@idakev Because there is literally no reason to... Because your choices don't matter. Because it is a terrible game.

[@idakev]

@@c6q3a24 I was talking about games in general

[@jhit2026]

A faction quest that should have been in the game. Flat out

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Or if you keep them out of the game, they better have a lot of content to explain a DLC centered around them, like sub-factions, mini-factions, etc.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

The fact that the DLC was already announced before the game even released almost proves that this was just a cut faction questline that was not ready in time.

[@PeXis]

As someone who works in the video game industry, the way I see it is that people who are passionate and skillful don't want to work for these multinational corporations these days when making indie games is easier than ever. You don't need a big team or even a publisher.

[@graysenm1320]

I’ve never felt so empty after finishing a BGS DLC before. $30 for what is effectively just another faction quest line is highway robbery Edit:yes I know you guys are all smarter than me for not purchasing the game like I did

[@jackplisken4738]

foolish enough in the first place to even buy the dlc after everyone knew how bad the basegame is

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I'm sorry you had that experience. I would recommend you and anyone else reading this stop buying day 1 or pre-ordering anything. Let's first check if something matches what we want out of a game instead of giving them money upfront. No matter the game, no matter what you like, check first, buy only if it's what you want. You don't need to like what everyone likes (I liked Starfield myself), but let's first look at gameplay and reviews before making a decision. I didn't get the DLC, not just because of the reviews, but because of what I'm seeing on screen, gameplay footage from the DLC doesn't convince me. The only time I got anything day 1 was the Elden Ring DLC and even then it was because I saw 1.5 hours of gameplay before the launch and I liked what I saw. I did not regret that purchase. Gameplay is king for me in deciding. More important than reviews and definitely more important than marketing and PR trailers and presentations designed to hype you. I just ignore the trailers and presentations.

[@baitposter]

​@@jackplisken4738 I had bought Starfield with the season pass or whatever, so Shattered Space was included, but I feel like I drastically overpaid, and I'm in too deep for a steam refund

[@pakaka9523]

You'rs still gonna buy their next DLC and their next game. No reason for them to care.

[@kieran5476]

​@@jackplisken4738 i don't understand why people are even buying it when the base game let them down.

[@Sotanaht01]

I would argue that Starfield's combat is its strongest suit. That's not a complement. It's just that the environments, characters, story, writing etc are all so bad that the only thing even SLIGHTLY enjoyable is just shooting stuff.

[@thepowerofgod6922]

Imagine going back and telling a fallout 4 player the best thing about the next game is the shooting that’s worse than the game they’re playing now

[@kasocool2812]

Did they ever fix the enemies just becoming bullet sponges?

[@austinchasteeny]

​​@@thepowerofgod6922i'd say starfields combat is better than fo4. Not sure if you're playing it the same way as the B-roll footage in this review is, but 0 maneuvering, 0 aerial, 0 slides, no sprinting, no powers, walking tank that sucks down heals is playing some weird brute force strat that seems to be less about making a combat build that works for you and instead just click enemy click health potion type of engagement, like it was runescape or something

[@machinedieselx4767]

The whole point of dialogue options is to be a smartass, make jokes, be a jerk and have FUN. Bethesda just repeats BORING dialogue. Their writers are so far removed from what gamers want its absurd.

[@qu1253]

I am so tired of dialogue options essentially being yes, yes sarcastically, and no but actually yes.

[@ElyonDominus]

The writing hasn't been strong in twenty years but that's not the core issue. The core issue is Todd Howard's design philosophy. He doesn't want choices to matter nor does he want depth or complexity to their games. Wide as a sea with the depth of a litter box.

[@DubberRucks]

@qu1253 - Thank you! You've just put into words why I can't stand their bloated dialogue trees; needless choices that don't amount to anything of lasting significance.

[@MemeWorldCentral]

Are you okay? You get several options to be a dickhead and joke around and be sarcastic what are you talking about?

[@anonony9081]

It's the product of corporate bloat. Not only is everything made by committee these days, they want it to be safe so that no one feels offended or out of place when playing it. It results in them just being extremely boring and the same as every other major product.

[@christopherjones5700]

People shouldnt be allowed to greenlight multimillion dollar videogames unless they have 3,000 hours spent playing videogames in the genre they pick im not even kidding anymore im utterly convinced bethesda doesnt even playtest their campaigns

[@a_lost_one]

Investors just want arrow to go up. They could care less if it was barely functional garbage as long as people buy and don't refund it.

[@foamgiant8021]

Yeah instead of golfing trips, if an exec spent some time playing the games and gets immersed in the products, he would make even MORE money as he knows what'll work better.

[@maugwei]

Dude Todd Howard is Sooo cooked.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

He wasn't involved in the DLC, so he shouldn't take the fall for this. But he will definitely be under increased pressure to do something extraordinary with ES6. Can he do it? I'm inclined to say no, but we'll see. Never say never.

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

​@@octavianpopescu4776I starded saying Never for Bethesda with fallout 4. Never give them a 2 chance. Never buy their games again. Never even be excited for their clearly half-assed releases. Just Never bother no more. 😅

[@Azerkeux]

@@octavianpopescu4776 He's the CEO, he's involved with everything, every decision the company takes is ultimately his responsibility that's what it means to company head/team leader

[@DubberRucks]

Dude won't care with the money he makes lol

[@Asytra]

He already cashed out with the M$ purchase of Bethesda, he likely doesn't give a fuck anymore and I can see him peacing out after TES6.

[@rickiethornley9027]

Bethesda's games have been boring regurgitated buggy crap for YEARS.

[@illuminotme825]

Except this time instead of just buggy crap they added an actual buggy as well. lol

[@jackplisken4738]

@@illuminotme825 a buggy buggy if i may say

[@CErra310]

22 to be exact

[@ElyonDominus]

​@@carbagehealth Skyrim came out 13 years ago. The people who love it were kids when they played it. They don't see it for what it is they see it for what they remembered it as being.

[@sutenjarl1162]

@@ElyonDominus its still one of the best open worlds

[@TehFlashBang_]

There goes my plans for TES6. I was going to buy Starfield on release day because Bethesda, obviously it should be great, but like most other big companies, it seems they’re going downhill very fast. I was super excited for TES to hopefully be released in 2026, but I’m probably just gonna have to wait until Skyblivion is finishing development and play that instead.

[@guidoc5772]

Skywind and skyblivion are the only things related to elder scrolls that are worth being excited about

[@jaemotoo]

This is a joke right? You couldn't possibly think Bethesda makes "great" games... right?

[@themagnus2919]

I also assumed it would be great. "No way Bethesda will be on a losing streak forever..."

[@JepperlyKlepperson]

The elder scrolls is dead

[@Poppa_Capinyoaz]

TES6 won't be releasing thus decade.

[@farmsalot1233]

Consider this Phantom liberty was also 30$

[@detectivemadoka69420]

Exactly, with Phantom Liberty you get an amazing questline, a massive gameplay overhaul. Shadow of the Erdtree is $40, but it's almost a new game due to the sheer amount of new content.

[@COHOFSohamSengupta]

​@@detectivemadoka69420 I beat Messmer in like 22 hrs & later realized there were still 7 main bosses I did not even come across. Total playthrough time was 42 hrs How did BGS think they can sell a 10 hrs DLC at 30 fuckin bucks

[@detectivemadoka69420]

@@COHOFSohamSengupta My first Erdtree run was around 70h and still haven't seen/explored everything, so far the average "full" Shattered run are around a miserable 12h-15h, $30 down the toilet with this one.

[@CasepbX]

yeah but it's just as crap

[@farmsalot1233]

Bethesda is a double-A studio pretending to be a triple-A studio. They don't use game design documents when making games. Anyone who's been in game development knows how that could complicate development. Todd needs to step down. Bethesda either needs to use a different game engine or actually fix the Creation Engine. There's no excuse to rely on modders as heavily as they do.

[@Marksman3434]

Man, I have such little hope for TES6. Even MrMattyPlays who tends to be fanboyishly biased to BGS was really disappointed in it. Bethesda still somehow think they’re on the top of the mountain after Skyrim’s success and feel they don’t have to evolve their game design at all. In fact, one could argue it’s DEvolving.

[@kbdc]

that price tag is criminal

[@betag24cn]

it should have been free, and good, no goal was reached, it is the end

[@DubberRucks]

Yeah. It's criminal when you think you can get more for your money elsewhere with those kinds of numbers.

[@DuggyDarko]

Hearts of Stone, Blood and Wine, Phantom Liberty, Shadow of the Erdtree, The Ringed City, Old Hunters, Shivering Isles and even DragonBorn all set the bar way way higher for what expansions can be. Pretty sure they were all under £30 too.

[@LodanSD]

Bethesda was co-opted by a Fanboy that started claiming he built the company!

[@bvowels]

Whoa… QRD??

[@UsmevavyPanacek]

Did they hire Musk?

[@comyuse9103]

​@@UsmevavyPanacekTodd was a no name intern who wasn't involved with the original people behind TES. They let him direct a crappy Disney tie in and a few crappy TES spin offs before he was somehow in charge of everything. The real artists behind TES are making a new game tho! The Wayward Realms.

[@anonony9081]

I don't think that's fair at all. Todd Howard is no doubt a super talented guy, but his focus has just been in the wrong spots and his inability to see what his core fan base wants has led us down this path.

[@bigempty]

I put around 100 hours into the base game of Starfield. That was the point that I gave up completely because I realized I had literally seen absolutely everything the game had to offer 3 or 4 times over and I was sick to death of it. Previous Bethesda games I would log anywhere between 200 to 400 hours before the first DLC even came out and then even more as the DLCs were released. Then later on after I took break from the game I'd start a brand new campaign and spend another 200 hours playing. I had the slightest glimmer of hope for this expansion, now that's gone. RIP Bethesda.

[@thefilmdirector1]

sheesh, took me 10 hours to go "yeah there is nothing here worth bothering with"

[@rhidiandavies1991]

100h??? Jeez dude you could have stopped at about 6h.

[@DuggyDarko]

The best part of the game is the ship building but then there's almost no reason to ever engage with it. Literally everything you do in this game is pointless.

[@Setixir]

Lol 100 hours is... A lot ..

[@comfywizard]

The game feels more like a contractual obligation to Microsoft.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

Peter Moore once said: "There are no bad games, there are just bad price points" and I agree with that sentiment. Ask $5 for this "expansion", nobody will complain, people will accept the mediocre content, life moves on. But $30 for this crap, $70 for the base game, the gall of selling mods? Well Bethesda, this short stream of income will justify the company image being torn apart? Let's see how many consumers remains interested on Elders Scrolls 6 after Starfield, same devs working on both projects, Todd Howard remains the "meme" guy... let's see how that's going to work out in like 2030

[@dissraps]

Is that why everyone rushes out to play every free phone game/steam trash? Because they're great? Or are you saying they aren't because they don't give you money?

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

@@dissraps There's literally no "gates", of course people will jump to the free experience, even more so if it's high quality (like Marvel Rivals is shaping up to be). Both examples are negative, free to play game who sells a jpeg for $30 because this imaginary item provides "status" in a imaginary environment, this is not a price point, it's just pure nonsense, taking advantage of people prone to addiction with zero legal repercussion

[@jayl5032]

The game is already $70 when not on sale, and now they want $30 MORE? Fuck that. Those leaches haven't made a good game in ages.

[@randomthings1293]

*leeches

[@jayl5032]

Weird, my phone corrected it to *leaches for some reason.

[@Gwynhyvr]

game is $110 AUD, and the DLC is $50. the amount of indies you could get for the DLC alone...

[@jayl5032]

@@Gwynhyvr Good god! Yeah you're better off getting a boat load of good Indie titles vs. this garbage Bethes pumped out.

[@victorscjholwa3386]

11:48 Did the enemy teleport you into a FORCED LOADING SCREEN ? I swear they're doing this on purpose.

[@Mugthief]

Yes.

[@detectivemadoka69420]

OH MY GOD, i thought people were joking, no fcking way.

[@darvamehleran786]

its not enemies teleporting u, its blue goo u stepping in. But ye

[@thatguywiththeguitar7203]

I don't think it's a hot take or a mean one to say that Bethesda is a Talentless company... Want good game play? Go play something like Elden ring (Or Ghost of Tsushima)... Want to Explore? Go play No Man Sky... Want a good story? Play Witcher 3 or Cyberpunk... Want good graphics? You know the drill... Bethesda stands out on Nothing.

[@サイバー狼]

True. Though the only good thing I could give them is the handcrafted open world (which starfield lacks). But other than that they are shit.. and the lead writer for bethesda doesn't help any.

[@joshschmidt8784]

I agree with most of what you said. Except Elden Ring. I have tried the souls games and Elden Ring. Combat feels really janky to me and the world is confusing and vague. Elden Ring has beautiful world and enemy design though. I am probably of the non popular opinion, but that is my personal take. I think Ghost of Tsushima has way better combat feel.

[@TheGrunaldi]

i agree ... but i just don't think people know that Bethesda strength is ... they have the same game-play loop in all their main games ... it boggle my mind when people go into those games and those are in fact a Bethesda game ... and they are like ... surprised ?

[@KitnaMW]

​@@joshschmidt8784Try Lies of P, or Sekiro, they are parry focused instead of being rolldodge gaming, it will probably be more likeable/enjoyable for you

[@Homosapien77]

@@サイバー狼 " handcrafted" This buzzword is getting real tired any 3d game without the use of procedural generation in its development is developed by a group of people.

[@arandomguy6114]

Bethesda has this weird thing with creating unlikeable and downright hateful characters, whom you're forced to help. It's almost like they are trying to make the player angry. They are not just annoying, but constantly insults the player for no reason at all. Remember Nazeem? Remember that one light armor trader chick in riften? Yeah. Worse yet, they make likeable characters like Paarthunax to become targets to kill. Bethesda writing style is basically putting the player as an infuriatingly selfless person, with no moral agency at all. You can help a bunch of criminals, but never destroy or reform them. Feels like i am playing with a slave, i can walk around the plantation, but never decide anything.

[@hostilesmithy2087]

I hated the guards so much I removed them from my game... bounties too. F 'em.😂

[@Ziegrif]

This DLC could have been an E-mail.

[@isthatyoursomnomnom]

Microsoft and Zenimax need to step in and clean house at BGS. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are two of the most recognizable and marketable IP's in the industry. Allowing Howard/Lamb/Pagliarulo to continue producing these titles will cost them hundreds of millions of dollars in lost sales because gamers are over this specific brand of mediocrity.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Who's Lamb? I've heard of Howard and Pagliarulo, but what's up with Lamb?

[@isthatyoursomnomnom]

@@octavianpopescu4776 He's a senior producer at BGS. He's easily spotted if you're looking for the most checked out person at BGS who is either going to or coming from a golf course.

[@c6q3a24]

Microsoft is the PROBLEM not the solution... how the hell can you not see that?

[@isthatyoursomnomnom]

@@c6q3a24 ..then what's the solution?

[@Pårchmēntôs]

@@c6q3a24 sorry, but that is cope. Fallout 76 released 3 years before Microsoft bought them. Skyrim was a good game but it had less meaningful RPG mechanics than Oblivion. Oblivion had less than Morrowind. Fallout 4 wasn’t as good as Fallout 3 (New Vegas was a better Fallout game than either of them and that was Obsidian). There’s a clear downward trend years before Microsoft was in the picture.

[@510DeshawnPlays]

I make mods for Starfield but it seems like this is the nail in the coffin. I don’t want to make mods for a dying video game

[@Trip_SB721]

OMG!!! You're leaving us with these monsters. Modders keep it on life support

[@Varangian_af_Scaniae]

"for a dying video game" It was never alive!

[@arostwocents]

Why not just go and work for them? We could do with some DEI hires that are actually talented 😂

[@LucifeRxGoSu]

Starfield died before it even came out 😂😂😂

[@Asytra]

Thanks for trying, at least. The game would need a total overhaul by modders to make it a decent game, let alone a good one. Likely would need to strip out all the Starborn space magic nonsense too.

[@JFrombaugh]

“DLC that feels like it should’ve been in the base game in the first place” is AAA Games 101 these days. It’s not just Bathesda.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Bethesda putting the Shat in Shattered Space

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

A $30 for an expansion for a game that went on sale for less then $20 less then a months after launch because it failed so badly is classic Bethesda.

[@donovian2538]

4:08 I mean, the whole game was better left to our imaginations.

[@Constellasian]

I still marvel at the lengths Bethesda fanatics go to defend a crappy game like Starfield. It's like you said, they'll find all manners of excuses for the company and Starfield.

[@dbzmaster1213]

I don't understand how Bethesda fanboys still exist these days

[@JW-um5pg]

They do?

[@jennalove6755]

​@@JW-um5pgjuicehead

[@demandred1957]

They tried to milk one more title out of a painfully obsolete engine, because they wanted to control everything. The end.

[@Dragon_of_Terra]

I just don’t understand why a game that’s built around restarting and exploring new paths offers so few options to do so. There shouldn’t be any essential NPCs (Immortal npcs), and we should have choices that drastically affect the universe-not just which faction is flying more ships. The DLC offfers two major choices, but one of them forces you to go back on it later, which really annoyed me. All I’m asking for is the freedom to try things out. If my choices lead to catastrophic outcomes, like mass deaths or a ruined universe, that’s fine-I can always move on to the next one and try something else. It feels like Bethesda doesn’t fully understand the potential they have here. A game like this should be about making major mistakes (or intentional ones for fun) and trying again.

[@jampine8268]

That's the part I don't get, they said the first part they designed was the end, which is you going to an alternative universe, but yet nothing seems designed around it? Also from most the writing, it seems like it's multiverse written by people who don't understand the multiverse. The Hunter says you've always died in every universe bar this one, but in the nature of the multiverse, whilst there is infinite universes you die, there will also be infinite universes where you lived. Also every event up to you starting is largely the same? Why not make it so the war before the game had a definitive victor, but it changes in alternative time lines, creating new changes? But then you'd probably need to structure the game around that.

[@Dragon_of_Terra]

@@jampine8268 It just seems to me like Bethesda aren't up to the task of the project they have set themselves.

[@jampine8268]

@@Dragon_of_Terra at the risk of sounding like a pretentious arse, it reels of "Dumb people trying to write smart". A lot of sci fi borrows from each other (40K in general), but czn build or twist innit, Starfield just makes me want the thing its referencing more.

[@kasocool2812]

The fact that nothing really carried over annoyed me. Like why would I take the time to build a proper base or design a ship if it's just going to be gone

[@jampine8268]

@kasocool2812 yeah, it'd be cool to skip between dimensions and keep your ship, and maybe get a base in some stable dimension? Not like base building was really useful for anything.

[@SuperDarknut]

I don't care how shit Shattered Space is, Bethesda won't die until TES6 comes out and it's just as bad as we all suspect it will be. THEN the spell will finally be broken

[@mrm7058]

Let me guess, Emil Pagliarulo was the writer of Shattered Space?

[@smokingbarrels7019]

He keept it stupid as is his guiding principle

[@ihave7sacks]

Yeah, he is the lead writer.

[@ninjapoundcake]

Bethesda still having bugs like this in 2024 is really unacceptable. We used to give them a pass way back because the games were massive open world sandboxes, but now there are many games out that have big open worlds and are not as buggy. It's not an excuse for them anymore.

[@DubberRucks]

Especially when you play a game of see if you can spot/recreate the same sort of bugs in everything from Fallout 3 onwards. It's surprisingly easy.

[@jeffreydanielmaurer9159]

Emil Pagliarulo will be the death of Bethsoft.

[@michaelkean5969]

The only thing that is going to get Bethesda to improve and change engines is brink of bankruptcy

[@サイバー狼]

Not only that they need a better lead writer

[@michaelkean5969]

@@サイバー狼Bethesda needs a better EVERYTHING

[@サイバー狼]

@@michaelkean5969 true

[@Dragon_of_Terra]

if they could only eliminate the load screens and fix the melee combat then the engine could be something great

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

​@@michaelkean5969Bethesda NEEDS a bether Bethesda. Jesus Christ what a waste of money all this is.

[@LukeDunlapMusic]

So happy to hear people are fucking with Phantom Liberty and not this.

[@monsieurpasta4922]

CDPR took their time, listened to the comments and fixed the game. All the comments I've heard during their buggy lunch you can see in the game being addressed. They genuinely wanted to deliver a game and had made a mistake. Bugthesda and shatspace reaffirms that the company was not listening and had no care to try to fix themselves. People see that and reaffirms that statement.

[@kraosdadafusfus8034]

Bethesda isn't independent anymore. If they keep messing up like this Microsoft will dismantle them and give their franchises to a worthier studio.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Don't threaten me with a good time 😀

[@kroganshepard6594]

That would require Microsoft to make a good decision regarding their gaming studios, so that's never happening.

[@Pårchmēntôs]

@@kroganshepard6594 let the guy have some hope. 😅

[@qu1253]

Mate, 343 has spent 12 years running Microsoft's star franchise into the ground and they still haven't gotten rid of them.

[@user66674]

​@@qu1253FACT, RIP Halo

[@gersonadr2]

The last nail will be ES6. Everyone who grew up playing the series will come to terms that, just like Blizzard, the best days are behind us.

[@xzaratulx]

Bethesda has been dead for ages. Releasing Skyrim 3 times without fixing bugs but selling us back our mods. Dunno but these guys have no ambition or standards anymore ...

[@l0rf]

They don't really need to have standards as long as they are profitable. I've not bought any product of theirs since Fallout 4 and I somewhat regret that, if it weren't for high quality mods based on it. They get criticised, they receive hate, but if they still make money, they don't care. They'll re-re-re-release Skyrim in 3 years for some reason with a tiny questline or feature added yet all of the old bugs fans already patched out in 2011 still firmly in place, as long as people will buy it. That's the only thing they care about.

[@dissraps]

Why would they when you bought the same game three times?

[@JibberJert]

After Baldurs Gate 3, I just keep imagining Larian having a crack at making a Fallout game, would be amazing.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

What I would give for a modern isometric Fallout by people who actually care.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

the same Larian that gave us Gender Identity bullshit in an RPG that wasnt even made by them originally? Thats right, Baldur's Gate was originally made.. BY BLACK ISLE STUDIOS.

[@Gwynhyvr]

@@MLPDethDealr32 cope, seethe, and mald, buddy.

[@hollowedboi5937]

“It just works”

[@themcknox]

What you say at 6:05 is literally my entire opinion of the game, completed it, not because I was invested in the characters or the story, but because I felt obligated to, because I wasted the money.

[@jasonrodriguez7242]

The fact that consequences don’t mean anything in this (sci-fi RPG) , I pledged myself to house Va’Ruun, got serpents embrace and all! I went to MARRY andreja after and she says I’m not house Va’Ruun so we can’t marry according to their culture?! So the whole perk means nothing. What a disappointment and a missed opportunity! It would’ve been better if you just could go to dazra and live or marry there. Also they should’ve added a new ending. One that actually “ends” the game by staying in the same universe and not forcing you to go through unity.

[@sompret]

That radical change is never happening as long as Emil Pagliarulo still thinks he's a writer of any modicum of competence (and humility).

[@Seftdelmer]

I played Elite on a ZX Spectrum on a tiny TV in 1985 (thanks gipgap4) and it was more immersive than Starfield. Seriously.

[@gipgap4]

More like 1985 but I know what you mean!

[@gdwnet]

Level 66, my playstyle with most combat: Get in to combat, use slow time, stand next to bad guy, blast with weapon that has highest number, repeat with occasional heal ups. NEXT. Oh! And when I arrived on the planet they refused to let me in because I wouldn't take their ritual so I jet packed over the wall. I thought someone might attack or there would be a big uproar but nope. Nothing. No reaction.

[@buzzular8198]

My question is how could you give starfield a 6 at all? I dont like how we're in an era where we cant say somethings lower than a 5, starfield is like a 2 at best from an objective standpoint, buggy, boring, bad story, bad world, bad combat, but its still above average for you???

[@dissraps]

Have you only played 2 games in your life, or just don't know what average is? Theres literally thousands and thousands of King Kongs and Gollums I'm also not sure you understand what objective means either

[@attilavarga3188]

Bethesda has too many junior level employees, the old talent is mostly gone and the recently appointed executives are almost all marketing and financial experts (the people making the most money for the company are the most likely to get promoted). They have slowly doomed themselves.

[@jampine8268]

I feel the opposite, to many old people in high positions who just stagnated skill wise, or actually weren't that good in the first place. And now they have majority control over the projects, and are just crashing them I to mediocre writing and designs.

[@JohnTrimmer-l7m]

Bethesda are hitting a new low. What a bunch of scammers.

[@MikeZeroX]

*Handcrafted hallway*

[@Notfakeultra]

To be fair, Bethesda has not dropped a good game in over a decade, anybody could see it was a dead company

[@machinedieselx4767]

My favourite part of Bethesda games are how boring they are. That and the loading screens.

[@sevenfacedsin]

ES6 is going to be bad, isn’t it? I’ve said Starfield is garbage, and people have told me I am playing it wrong…

[@Tchud]

Bugthesda hyped the game and did not even look to fix the technical limitations plaguing the game. Crashes? Check. Constant loading screens? Check. Bland environments? Check. Non-existing exploration? Check. Terrible characters? Check. What on earth were they thinking? A failure on so many levels. And this is from a guy who loves space games. Bethesda should do us all a favor and shut down Concord style.

[@ihave7sacks]

You forgot the npc's that look like fever dreams come to life.

[@FSAPOJake]

I was kinda hoping Shattered Space was going to expand on what we saw in the Entangled mission, which is one of my favorite quests I've ever experienced in a Bethesda game. It was so cool. Shattered Space wasn't bad (I liked Starfield, mostly because I'm an extreme space nerd) but I completely understand why people are mixed with it.

[@paxluporum4447]

Dude Bethesda has been dead for awhile now.

[@blindwatchman0722]

At 11:45 or so, did you REALLY get a LOADING SCREEN in the middle of a gunfight because of the teleportation gimmick???

[@SirShadeyy]

We wanted Far Harbor, but we got Automatron but worse. It’s a joke. At least the armor looks better than the base game, but Bethesda STILL does not understand the concept of rewards, loot, etc… FALLOUT 76 does it better than Starfield in my opinion. There is no incentive to go out and explore in Starfield, and the loot is not worth chasing. My last point is that the RPG mechanics are shallow. Extremely shallow. They make you join a cult at the beginning of the expansion. If you want to take a companion with you, you HAVE to be a good guy. There is no actual choice, unless you roam solo, which is what I do now because the companion’s morality is horrible in this game (as in there is no variation between companions), and you’re forced to join and help people that you don’t like.

[@matth7448]

I stopped playing at the Red Mile, most anti climatic moment of all time

[@angelmessenger8240]

I remember the long video that Bethesda did about the launch of Starfield, the different teams bringing their 'expertise' etc. What I see is what they showed us, compartmentalised and made by committee, neither of which works and it's obvious. People doing things like writing when they are not writers.

[@danthreepwood2760]

Starfield already hasn't aged well 🤧🤮🤒🥳

[@Dragon_of_Terra]

The sad part is that Bethesda gets a lot of things right, but it’s clear they overestimated their ability to see the project through to its full potential.

[@NostalgiaNet8]

Bethesda Game Studios hasn't been doing great since Fallout 3. They have no idea how to make a great RPG anymore.

[@yourpststudios]

So they basically think this Expansion is worth 5 dollars an hour for their troubles? Half the game cost for 6 hours of content? Wow. Can't wait to see how the fumble, turnover, and lose the game with the newest Elder Scrolls (Although I find it more likely they will make Skyrim again for the PS6 and XBox Social Security Unit PartB Plan X Mod 360x10-To-The-Moon Edition before they release ES6).

[@GSE52]

The entire game of Starfield was a mishmash of missed opportunities. Shattered Space fours perfectly into the base game in this manner. A MASSIVE missed opportunity. If lazy writing is the direction BGS is embracing (which seems it is after Fallout 76) I honestly fear for what all this means for the next Elder Scrolls release. Especially since they figured a thousand planets filed with the same 6 points of interest repeated over and over was the right choice to make for a Triple A rated game Almost like Bethesda's new motto is - Look at all the work we didn't do!

[@neo-jy8xl]

1:27 Who is this beauty?

[@JakeCDahl]

ur comment made me spit out my sandwich lmao

[@ayszhang]

Well idk which character that is... The wife looks a bit better...

[@ihave7sacks]

Septum rings . . . You can take the most beautiful person on the planet and give them a septum ring , instantly they look like trash.

[@jasonberezowski2869]

The elder scrolls is my favorite universe in all of media. I like it more than Middle Earth, all the D&D Universes, Malazan etc. It's my favorite fantasy world of all time. Ive spent days upon days reading lore, watching lore videos, browsing subreddits and all that. I do not want them to make Elder Scrolls VI. I want a new Elder Scrolls so badly, more than i want almost anything else. But Bethesda in its current state can not be trusted with it. If it comes out and it is anything like Fallout 4, 76, or Starfield... my heart will be shattered.

[@MeerIbnAli]

anyone else miss bethesda of old?

[@quintenzijlstra1275]

I miss the game industrie of old.

[@prisonbread]

Yeah for sure. It's crazy how cutting edge Oblivion was in so many ways and how outclassed and dated Starfield is... Hard to believe it's the same company. I think it's a combination of Todd's hubris and general complacency across the studio in general. I really hope he comes to Jesus before ES6 development gets too far, but the fact is if it's already been started on this stale engine it's going to be a massive dissapointment

[@katsu1715]

eh, i got Tamriel Rebuilt for morrowind, im already getting free morrowind expansion packs every couple of years

[@MorganLeFay7]

Shivering Isles money for 6 hours is crazy

[@TheJewishAzovMember]

Feells like every major developer stagnated because they were still making bank but too much time has past and they are now all repressing. We are now getting games from people who dont play video games

[@caerdwyn7467]

Give it all back to Obsidian. Microsoft gets to do that.

[@christophersanders7877]

You don't even need the Cyberpunk comparison for Starfield's combat, just look at Fallout 4 (and 76) as many people still play and enjoy those game combat because it is essentially a survival, RPG, looter shooter and there were reasons to get into gunfights, fighting interesting enemies (no enemies in Starfield are memorable or interesting), finding those legendary weapons,..etc. Fallout 4 (and the entire series) also had that satisfying feel of blowing enemies to bits (good shooting feedback), while Starfields shooting feels too clean and generic.

[@EatThePath-7]

It's always crazy to me whenever people say Starfield has better combat than Fallout 4, at this point i'm convinced they haven't played it since 2015 because it has Starfield beaten on every category. And it's another sign that Bethesda isn't 'stuck' with their games, they are actively getting worse at making them.

[@detectivemadoka69420]

​@@EatThePath-7 Starfield *IS* worse than Fallout 4, back then they got ID to help them build the combat, it was custom built *FOR* Fallout, *NOT* Starfield. I have about 10k hours in Fallout 4 and i can safely say this, Starfield's combat _seems_ similar to F4, it feels slightly clunkier, Starfield's combat should be much faster paced, not as cracked as Cyberpunk but close, however that's a whole problem on itself (CE and Beth lazyness). Fallout 4 is another game that falls into the "forget old game, consoom new game" it's also overhated due to YT views and opinion farming (even No Mutants Allowed praised most aspects of it)

[@Yutsudama]

⁠@@EatThePath-7I think a big part about it is the guns actually look realistic, and even then some of them still looks like some fallout 4 guns😂

[@disastrous_ad8686]

For all the crap FO4 got I enjoyed the game a lot specially with survival mode and mods. Couldn't handle 1 hour of starfield before getting bored

[@hagakure8398]

Shattered Space was so bad i uninstalled the game. This game broke my heart how bad it was.