Profiler 195cc head vs AFR 195cc head sbc (with actual flow test)

This is a long video but I have a lot of information about both heads and real flow numbers. I flow them on camera.

[@billjacobs8035]

Just stumbled across your space and it sure brings me back a decade or 3. Nice!

[@J5racing55]

I’ve learned a ton from your videos and sbc heads in general. Much appreciated

[@stevenbelue5496]

Fantastic, your experience and attention to detail makes your reviews second to none.

[@WallaceCustomMotors]

Fantastic video SUPER informative. Great work I don’t know anywhere near as much about this stuff as you do but that’s why I’m here. I want to learn and today I learned a lot! Thanks for the great video keep making them!

[@ragingbull3406]

Great video Eric! I'm a Mopar guy but I learn so much from your content.

[@DeuceDropper7]

Eric, for the record I DO take everything that you say as gospel! When I come to your shop or watch your videos, I just listen and try to soak it all in. Not often that a world class head porter will take the time to answer my dumb questions, share tricks of the trade, and have the patience to deal with us that are just trying to get better at the craft. Great video as always and thank you for posting.

[@Parents_of_Twins]

Hmm maybe it should be the Epistles instead.

[@richardbowles7690]

You provide excellent data. Great to see the actual flow bench setup (pitot tube, dial indicator, etc.) It would be great to see how you measure the pinch, bowl, etc. Thank you for all the vids.

[@tonysajkowski3534]

Thanks Eric I bought the 64 cc 202 valve chevy small block heads from profiler told Mike and Mikey about your post and that why I decided to buy from them can't wait to see how it runs thanks

[@NotempoT]

Eric, the channel is getting better all the time. Good content.

[@jonnygarland4741]

I really appreciate your personal opinion because you seem like you really are honest everybody has their own opinions everybody is not honest but you really seem like you really were honest i got to have real respect for any person is really honest thank you for your video

[@bennyboom63]

There is always somebody that will argue with you because they like a certain product but you can't argue with facts and the truth. Awesome video Eric. Just found the channel and definitely worth a sub.👍🇺🇸

[@SenorYuk]

The new casting looks SO much better.

[@my87z28]

On top of the 582 we are building, which you are doing the BB3 363 heads for. We also have a 383 that we are finishing up for our cruiser. We went with these AFR street CNC heads and a .583" cam (w/ 1.6 rocker correction). Great info, I was surprised to see the AFR's had a lower exhaust port flow. Exhaust flow is something they seem to do extremely well. However, it makes sense with the Profiler's raised exhaust ports.

[@andrigtmiller]

The air temperature and relative humidity of the air matters in terms of the flow numbers. So does altitude, or better yet barometric pressure, which gets lower as you get higher above sea level. I believe what they machine is doing is it is calculating Standard CFM, which means it's adjusted for the air temperature, relative humidity and barometric pressure, giving you a number that is comparable at sea level with a standard air temperature and relative humidity, which I forget exactly what those figures are.

[@mannmadesbc]

Thanks a lot for the content Eric!!! Love the vids.

[@brentmcmillan4347]

I don't think you are negative Nancy or Debbie Downer. The truth is the truth and you are sharing the knowledge!! Much appreciated.

[@robturner7853]

Bare!!!! My 1st sbf build is done and the AFR 220 Renegades are freakin awesome rite out of the box....maybe its the 20* v/s the 23*sbc ...doesnt matter....afr for the $ and less headache was a choice I made on this one "street car" Now as far as BBC My Profilers were kickass "race only car"...its really all in what you want and street/track intentions🤣 AND WE ALL KNOW THERES A FINE LINE where that comes into play, best of luck to everyone. Great info again Eric & I remembered to subscribe this time...hope all is well

[@jarvislarson6864]

The afr will out perform significantly...much better flow & port velocity across low lift to high, peak hp may not differ alot between the two but afr will make more useable power across rpm range. Bet

[@gregmcnamara2563]

The difference in casting finish is due to different casting technology. Sand cast (Lumpy, larger variances, slower production, and more expensive) versus investment casting such as lost foam casting (Cheaper, more accurate, faster, better surface finish, less machining). It enables them to produce more complicated castings with internal passages etc, with greater accuracy and no core shift. Almost all engine blocks, heads, driveline castings, and industrial equipment are now made that way. Check out some KZbin video’s on it.

[@inabrungart2470]

Eric great stuff, really good channel

[@inscoredbz]

Have you ever had a set of the ATK 195 heads? They have a standard exhaust location. Just wondering how they stack up.

[@fukemallgarage]

Wow, I was recommended this video and im very impressed. I will be calling or emailing you soon. Great info keep it up.

[@SenorYuk]

Fantastic video. I dont think you need to be as self conscious about your production cred as you are. The quality keeps getting better.

[@tyronewashington2933]

Hey Eric, sell your best ported design to Holley, Brodix, AFR, So they can make a SBC head that flows 280 cfm, As Cast, No CNC work. Call it Eric's Best. I live in Houston, so we close.

[@keithfairley5335]

Do you think if the profiler was done like the afr would it be closer are the same or better? An do you have any experience with the promaxx heads?

[@bradpittman5075]

We have to seek out constructive criticism. It helps us grow and improve. If we cannot take that then who cares about the positive criticism Bc that won’t help you to think outside the box and develop your program or yourself or whatever tf you are working on. Anyways. Cool video and thanks. We shouldn’t have to preface a critique. It’s ridiculous in my opinion. If we aren’t adult enough to be able to accept that and be thankful for it then we are not adults. In my opinion.

[@philipmazzuca2269]

Eric, do you port the SBC dual plane Air-Gap intake manifolds?

[@flinch622]

Not my specialty, but surface finish on a casting seems to be a function of two things: grade of casting sand, and the release agent used. Whether somebody figured out a better process or regulatory changes made some release agent obsolete, I have no idea. edit: Those profilers... those exhaust bolt locations make me think of a 1470 gasket more than a 1406. Can you confirm which is closer? Thanks.

[@michaelcannizzo1076]

Can you do any tests on GM Fast Burn heads? There just isn't enough scientific info out there beyond initial release info

[@jeredfowler7194]

How much power do you estimate you would gain with the profiler vs ik200 on a 388 sbc

[@DiscoGreen]

Always love your content. Can you do a Flotek cnc ported raised runner 220?

[@HeadFlowInc]

Looks like the Profiler needs a better valve job and smoothing to the casting on the exhaust for sure. JD

[@19jody72]

On that flow chart.. what is the 3rd line of numbers? L/O or what ever that says..

[@magellanstravels]

How do you feel about world sportsman heads that are ported

[@stereorifles3191]

what kind of power will the enforcer heads make on my 383 ? Currently it has 487 heads mild porting, hydraulic roller cam

[@rightsidelanechoice7702]

Why would the race bowl have the wing or vein angled toward the shrouded side of the valve. It’s angled toward the open side for a reason to create more velocity to the center of the combustion chamber.

[@bsagreg]

I did check to see if AFR head were in stock and they seem to be readily available . Then again so are The Pro Filer. My reasoning is that I been questioning the validity of certain companies claiming American made (Edelbrock) but there suspiciously out of stock on all heads and intakes for the particular engine Im running. this combined with all products from china in a indefinite holding pattern has led me to believe that some companies are more reliant on china than we are being led to believe. I see the same out of stock with Comp cams. and there sister cam companies 95% of cams out of stock. Ive only checked on parts for my application .

[@frankiehollowell779]

What would happen if the runners were worked on the profiler simialer to the afr's

[@adamarndt7617]

The Profiler exhaust ports ARE raised a lot, but the REAL problem with header fitment is that the bolt holes aren't centered on the port! There's basically NO off-the-shelf 1 5/8" header that won't block the "good air" at the top of the port with the bolt holes where they are. You have to weld and redrill or slot and fill header bolt holes or just step up to at least a 1 3/4" header with those stupid exhaust ports. -No reason for them not to revise where they put the exhaust bolt holes and just center them on the port so an off-the-shelf 1 5/8" header fits. I love my Profilers, but not having a header that fits anything worse of terribly just because they won't move a bolt hole is just inexcusable.

[@normhodgkinson6965]

Adam, thank you for putting that info out there. You saved me from buying a pair of Profilers. I have 1 5/8 headers because that is only what fits my car.

[@adamarndt7617]

@@normhodgkinson6965 There’s a company called ATK; they sell a lot of crate engines but they also have a custom casting of the profiler heads that has a regular height Chevy exhaust port. There a really good option because you get the awesome flow from the profiler intake ports, And then an exhaust port that will work with regular headers. A cam with extra exhaust duration will make up for the reduced exhaust flow

[@normhodgkinson6965]

@@adamarndt7617 Thank you for the info. i have heard of ATK, and will contact them next week to see what they have to offer. thanks again.

[@KingJT80]

I think dougs sells d port headers for SBCs and most 195+ heads need 1 3/4 1 5/8 is just a choke. ide use that on my 302

[@normhodgkinson6965]

@@adamarndt7617 i didn't call ATK because i looked up their reviews, and out of about 60 reviews, there were 3 positives, and the rest were 1 star. i read each review, and there are some pi$$ed off people. some were from guys like me, and some were from reputable auto repair shops. no way will i purchase from them. i'm disappointed to see Summit and Jegs offer ATK products in their catalogs. maybe some of ATK crate engines and components are OK, but a risk i'm not willing to take.

[@mcilwain67]

Excellent information!!

[@stephenzadow3322]

Whats your thoughts on sparkplug indexing. In regards to both flow and hp

[@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions]

Question, why flow beyond .650"-.700" lift when most cam lifts are no where near 750-1000 lift?

[@nashvilleoutlaw]

Because it tells you how stable the flow is. Some heads drop off past a certain point where others, flow may dip down and come back with avengeance

[@michaelmerrill589]

What would change springs on AFR 227 SBC heads from solid roller springs to hydraulic roller springs do as far as flow?

[@WeingartnerRacing]

$60 labor parts are extra.

[@keysautorepair6038]

People more importantly than flow numbers if you're piston doesn't move the air it doesn't matter how much flow numbers are.

[@docsmallblock6584]

Well kinda not a fair comparison. AFR'S are cnc'd compared to an as cast head with the profilers ,also a 2.05 valve compared to a 2.02 valve. The profilers are an excellent head for a lot less money! But good video nonetheless. Would However like to see a comparison after you've ported the profilers and cut them for a 2.05 valve! Profilers ftw!

[@b.c6015]

Almost like saying it's afr fault everyone can't port and cut valve just buy the afr instead of spending money to keep up with something that's all ready done

[@wilsonjohn9766]

@@b.c6015 , You keep the China junk and I’ll keep the Profilers.

[@michaeldyer6304]

You make a valid point.. for sure.

[@docsmallblock6584]

@@b.c6015 Or buy the Profiler Air Strike heads! Well that's not a fair comparison though, the airstrike heads are 12° heads and have massive 370cc intake runner's and have big block flow numbers. Those are for the serious racer type head's, not your everyday street head! So the Profiler All American X series heads which come cnc ported with 235cc intake ports! Compare those!

[@WDMtea]

I love American head too!

[@clarkmcmahan1595]

Eric .thanks for taking the time to teach ..

[@111walter111]

I have an early set of the Profilers,and they look like they are going to hold a quart of oil in the spring pockets. Will I hit anything if I mill a trough for drainage? (Also,buy your wife an onion chopper from Prepworks or MuellerAustria. (I'm sure there's a video here somewhere!)

[@johncalhoun8011]

Can you Port and Polish a Set of Aluminum Heads, or is it necessary?

[@leadsled8961]

Have you ever flowed a open port with no valve ?

[@richardsmith-qy6vl]

What do you think about the afr 195 as cast head for a small block chevy? Please let me know

[@WeingartnerRacing]

It’s the same head as the assault racing head.

[@dennisgray7509]

Good video! Great info

[@brandontittle5762]

Great video Eric

[@dickeymoore4264]

So Edelbrock cast AFR heads aren't Edelbrock heads casted overseas nowadays?

[@theoriginalmungaman]

Good American head, where are the valves made?

[@lte008]

Just for anyone wondering. You can get the 2.05 valve on the 195 profiler. It's a 20 dollar charge.

[@WeingartnerRacing]

When you order from me I can go up to a 2.10 intake valve.

[@mikecode3904]

Eric, how would the flow numbers change on the Profiler, if it had the larger 2.05 valve that the AFR head had?

[@SkunknTV]

@@WeingartnerRacing how much for a 220?

[@venturahwy76]

For not being a cnc head those pro filers flow good.

[@TheDicrio]

Eric, why do you flow heads to 1 inch when most cams only go to .650ish, especially on a street head? Nevermind, a saw your other video where you explained it.

[@pookysdad4884]

Oh, I just asked the same question. What other video?

[@mattwireman1646]

I have a set of Profiler 195's..2.02 1.6 valves. they came assembled so did my "carb cleaner in the runners" test.. and I had a few valves leaking. We put die on the seat to see where the valve was making contact.. it had a very thin line on the valve so we tried a 2.055 valve and that one fit better.. had a nice seat to it. Have you had that issue before?

[@WeingartnerRacing]

Yes all of the Profier heads I sell I redo the valve job. However in the last year there valve jobs have gotten better.

[@jamesfowler7065]

Great job reporting on these heads. I would like to know how I can reach you because I need some work done on a set of Edelbrock Etec 200s. Thank you.

[@WeingartnerRacing]

My website is www.wengines.com Or call 918-520-3480

[@jeffyoung2089]

Thanks Eric!

[@tomsettles6873]

Eric - Pontiac iron d-ports can be ported to flow slightly better than the AFR intake (210cfm @ .300, 285cfm @ .600) yet no one wants to run these anymore and all get Edelbrock, Kauffman, etc. aftermarket heads. Why ? isn't airflow still airflow on a less sexy looking head?

[@patrickmoore1017]

Two great street machine heads.

[@ICONBADGTA]

Hey Eric.. Can you do a set of factory Gm Fastburns vs AFR 195'S??? All you would have to do is flow the fastburns, i am told they are right with AFR's flow numbers...

[@Parents_of_Twins]

AFR rock on the exhaust flow numbers which I believe are a lot more important than a lot of people think. No idea how they relate to any factory heads however they generally perform near the top in cylinder head tests for power production.

[@ICONBADGTA]

@@Parents_of_Twins Yeah they are top, those profilers are the best head going now due to flow and price. AFR has priced themselves out of competition unless their "AS CAST" head will flow 270+ but that would have everyone buying them and not buying their "CNC STUFF!! @Eric Weingartner Do you think a cartridge/smoothing roll clean up or smoothing on the profiler would help flow any? Maybe 5cfm across the range?? If so it's got AFR beat!

[@jarvislarson6864]

Chad speier works magic from the roughest

[@richiec4120]

Eric are the Pro Elite bbc heads good ?? Putting a set on my 565 !!

[@WeingartnerRacing]

I have not.

[@adamarndt7617]

This was great to see the Profiler-machined Profiler heads vs. my Jegs-rebranded Profiler 195cc heads. Obviously if you get them assembled the components from Profiler will be way better than whatever chinese parts are cheapest @ Jegs, but I didn't realize the difference in how the bowls are blended until this video. The nice hand-made burr bowl blend that Eric showed is WAY better than what looks like some machined grinding of any core shifting that sticks out into the bowl that my Jegs heads had. The Jegs heads were just cut maybe 1/2" into the bowl from the valve seat and that's it. There were some huge lips beyond that that never got addressed AND the machining was smooth. (It's my understanding that this is one of the more critical areas to have a rough texture to keep fuel in solution).

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

Wow.. the cfm is going up super slowly.. I figured it would be higher

[@bryanfox6445]

Great video, you are not biased ? What would you have to gain? Thanks for teaching "me" things I would not get any where else.😀😀

[@johnnybrigham8154]

Nice work Eric would you have a couple retainers to use for checking installed height thank you jb. Johnny Briggs 241 west hill rd apt15a Newington ct 06111

[@xzero117]

Hey Eric, do you have a video of when you flow tested the comp version of the AFR head? I'd love to see what that does straight out of the box

[@WeingartnerRacing]

Nope. I rarely see them.

[@Patrick73RS]

@@WeingartnerRacing I can lend you mine to try. Still new in the box

[@WeingartnerRacing]

@@Patrick73RS you can send them and I will do a review.

[@SenorYuk]

I'm going to keep an eye out for this. I just sent my 195 competitions to my engine builder and I know they're undersized for the engine I'm running but I didn't want to try to sell a NIB set of heads so if I feel like I need an upgrade I'm definitely gonna ring Eric up.

[@Patrick73RS]

@@WeingartnerRacing Ill text you and we can discuss

[@kennethalbert4653]

Seems to me the lesser flow (especially in the useable range), time and extra machining costs with the Profiler justify the additional cost of the AFR. Also, the chamber looks better on the AFR.

[@KingJT80]

Well you could use a cam with less of a duration split on an afr. could probably use a single pattern it looks like. thats what most people who've used them say

[@ronniecox109]

There is a reason top engine builders use AFR. Schafroff., Bill Mitchell, Skip White Performance etc. I'll stick with AFR.

[@kennethalbert4653]

@@ronniecox109 That was the point I was making, nicely, without being too harsh on the Profiler.

[@jacobgiesbrecht7806]

Great video! I’d love to some flow results of what you could do with a factory cast Ls head some day

[@cfmechanic]

So i have had afr and later brodix. Afr is unbeatable for out the box bolt on and run heads, after my dragon slayers had seals installed after installing on car btw then porting I'm very happy with them but I probably should have just gone afr 225 heads. Live and learn, spark plug fitment is also better with afr vs brodix

[@winterlounge]

Would the 195s work well on a 355?

[@WeingartnerRacing]

Yes

[@Hitman-ds1ei]

Do you have any experience or flow data for old 14011049 chevy bowtie heads stock or ported, thanks

[@WeingartnerRacing]

No

[@robertprice2108]

You know I think I do an will look. I did not port them but had some pretty good nums if I remember correctly.

[@rubenalfonzo33]

Buen dias señor Eric creo que quiere decir que los jefes de la marca AFR y sus datos técnicos y número y especificaciones (no son reales) ? y los jefes de la marca promaxx si son reales Por favor si pueden aclarar este tema de las cabeza AFR & promaxx les escribo desde Caracas, Venezuela y les pido disculpas si tengo errores ortográficos

[@keithharris9685]

I would put a set of GM Vortec heads up against AFR heads in the 8th of a mile any day. But never in the quarter mile. Those AFR really turn on after the 8th. Done tried and proved that.

[@rp75heavy]

Good contact thank you very much

[@nova467spanker]

Eric Weingartner Love your videos man. sure wish you could get your hands on a set of Trick Flow 225cc Cleveland heads to test.

[@WeingartnerRacing]

I doubt I ever see them.

[@nova467spanker]

@@WeingartnerRacing well I wish I would have known of you in 2012 because that is when I bought my set from Total Engine Airflow. I would have sent them to you for your review but my engine built and I put in my car in 2013. Made pretty good power. 359C 11.1 compression, cam is a Bullt solid flat 239/243@.050 .611/.605 lift 107 lobe T/F intake and 750 Mighty Demon. Made 521hp@6300/453tq@5600.

[@rubenalfonzo33]

Good sir Eric I mean how I do not understand "English very well I think you want to say that the heads of the AFR brand and its technical data are the number and the statics and specifications (They are not real) and the heads of the parachute promaxx if they are real Please if you can clarify this subject of AFR & promaxx I am writing to you from Caracas, Venezuela and I apologize if I have spelling errors

[@WeingartnerRacing]

Write it in Spanish. My helper in the shop speaks Spanish.

[@indyrock8148]

Both great heads but I would get the profiler 210 with $600 worth of porting from Eric 👌

[@KingJT80]

or just buy the 195 he sells and ports it to 213

[@user-id9ft8qv4x]

Thanks for video!

[@mikerammelt2420]

Who would get a head and valves etc and expect to slap them together. Not me. Check the installed heights, lap the valves and blue them and hone the guides if ness. You could even cc them if you wanted. May as well.

[@nsboost]

You did one video on the enforcer heads and all anybody took from it was AFR heads are cast over seas lol. Nobody pays attention 🤦‍♂️ I agree about the deck thing. You can get pretty wild on a stock Ls casting if the tune is good. Missing the tune is when you really start destroying parts

[@richardfinney3179]

Hi David Visard finds that a 194 intake out flows a 2.02 the seat is a 2.02 but the valve is not he states it is less shrouding in the chamber I've tryed it and its the truth ,pay attention to quench side of the exhaust port the contour is a rounded edge into the port from the quench surface and valve edge contour front n back need to be rounded Bolth are worth 30 to 40 hp

[@WeingartnerRacing]

I have not found that to be the case. If you put a 2.02 valve in and it flows worse than 1.94 then you should do a better job of porting. It only flows worse when there is no port work done.

[@aaronpal2955]

Little off topic for this video. But how fare can you push the bowl size on the older GM castings such as the 291 currently porting a set. Btw. Love your content. Ive definitely learend a lot from your channel and I hope to learn more

[@123nova87]

Is the 1850 the price for both heads ??

[@johnmedina5399]

Yes

[@jeffwooton7138]

For what it's worth, I'd purchase these, let you do valves and hand blend, and ship them. Pretty close to same money spent on AFR's.

[@bidenstoletheelection9116]

AFR is now casted in China, Edelbrock use to cast their heads, Go with Brodix

[@johndevries8759]

Eric, from your experience how much different will these heads flow with a 4.155" bore diameter. Thanks for passing along your knowledge to those of us without the where with all to flow these different heads. J

[@WeingartnerRacing]

I have actually done that test with the assault head. I filmed it but haven’t released it yet.

[@patnaty]

Tanks to do this

[@gregjohnson1177]

Afrs casting look just like the promaxx castings to me

[@edpetrocelli2633]

Yes they do. I`m no head expert but the Promaxx heads looked super smooth and made good power as cast. 500hp 490 ft/lbs 388cid 200cc on pump gas. I was surprised and so was the dyno operator.

[@jrod264winmag]

@@edpetrocelli2633 wow that’s some good numbers from a 388. I went cheap and paid the price. 405hp, 440tq with a speed master/procomp 205cc head.

[@edpetrocelli2633]

@@jrod264winmag those heads were $1220. 2.020int. x 1.60exh. I used a mild solid roller with stud girdles. 242/248 @ .050 .609lft. 110Lsa. 491ft/lbs at 3100 499hp at 6600rpm great street motor. incase you were curious

[@jrod264winmag]

@@edpetrocelli2633 right on thanks

[@itseithergonnaworkoritaint7852]

Great info!👍 I like the pricing better for the Profiles myself, 20 HP isn't worth $600 for the street. What's your opinion on the Dart CNC 227 heads?

[@WeingartnerRacing]

They are ok.

[@johnrebello7059]

Can you do some work if I buy afr 195 street heads if I buy new?

[@WeingartnerRacing]

Yes. I do them quite a bit.

[@stuartcookie133]

ERIC.... i will help you.....Tell your wife to soak her onions in ice water for 15 minutes before cutting them and that will help with 90% of the tears!! Also make sure your knife is super sharp.

[@ericbrandt829]

If it looks like "offshore"....Smells like "Offsore"....Well....One more thing....AFR used to back a few years ago source their valves from KAR Valves of India....I don't really want hardware like that in my builds...Might survive in a "Fairgrounds Cruiser" but, something used hard at the racetrack? Nope! Not a fan of AFR anymore....

[@johnwehunt4305]

Permanent Steel cast over sand cast.

[@rickboretirementplan]

Thanks good video, what part of the USA do you live.

[@WeingartnerRacing]

Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. It’s a suburb of Tulsa.

[@keyvanjahan3366]

Hi.i thank u for all videos and informations. I like to know have u ever worked on ford 460 head and intake.