Watch This Before Buying AFR 185cc Enforcers... I Made a BIG MISTAKE

installing the new afr heads on ms parker. thanks for watching.
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[@cavscout62]

First off I’m a 62 year old guy and have been Hot Rodding FORDS since I helped my Pop build his last 300hp Flathead. I’m not being an asshole here but I thought everyone knew that a stock 302 wasn’t compatible with 202/160 heads without flycutting the slugs. You learned a valuable lesson that you can pass on to others of your age/era and I gotta say Good Job in doing what had to be done! You just popped into my feed and I’m looking forward to seeing how your’Stang runs with the 185’s.

[@JovanMichaels]

hell yeah man.. thank you and welcome to the channel. I have a few videos of the car running after the head install.. then i blew the t5 up lol currently waiting on some parts but we’ll be back up and running in no time 🤘🏼

[@cavscout62]

@@JovanMichaels - It sounds like those 185’s are making some power if you found out just how much the T5 can take! LOL! Going to a TKO or T56? Or perhaps you’re gonna switch to an automatic?

[@picklefart]

@@cavscout62a stock t5 is pretty easy to grenade. They use to be a dime a dozen in the wrecking yard. Also I just noticed your name. I was a scout out of Lewis and Carson.

[@jackrabbit7389]

I’m runnin 2.02/1.60 in mine stock 5.9 HO pistons promaxx180cc heads clear just fine been running it with TFS stg1 cam for months 6400-6800rpm over and over and over again no problems whatsoever valves were not even close to touching depth or radius

[@konnerkramer329]

​@@jackrabbit7389a 302 and 351 are 2 completely different blocks🤦

[@hdvictoryford5329]

Nice video, I am 74 and been rodding since the 60's. Just keep one thing in mind. We learn more from our mistakes than we do from our successes. It takes a humble person to admit a mistake. and you handled the issue in a positive way, job well done. We all have done similar things. Be proud, you do nice work.

[@dirt4racemore]

Just some friendly advice. Tighten head bolts from the center outwards. This ensures the only way that the head can warp is flat.

[@KingJT80]

It wouldn't matter on a quick ptov check. Only the final assembly

[@mikes.1882]

Water Displacement-40 should not be used as a lubricant no matter what ANYBODY SAYS. Brushing Schaeffer molly oil is highly recommended for such things

[@jjmccloud]

​@@mikes.1882💯

[@ralphthomas513]

Jovan I fly cutter one of my engines years ago for a 2.08 int. Valve. I looked around and found a flycutter that looks like a Valve with 6 carbibe cutter bits silver soldered to the head . You just put it in place of the Valve in your head and bolt on the head and mark the depth to cut and chuck it in drill and cut. Very fast and very clean.

[@JovanMichaels]

yeah i saw those when i was looking into the whole deal.. thing is i didnt have to cut deeper.. i just had to make the eyebrow a little wider .. but those valve looking cutters are nifty 🤘🏼

[@jstrueh]

Man I applaud your bravery putting out this video with so little information. If you had only ordered 1.6 ratio rockers would have saved so much time and effort. Piston to valve clearance is a measurement based on lift at valve and duration of cam dwell at TDC and when the piston is traveling up and down in the bore. To be an information video cam information should be in the video. And measurements of the clay where it contacts. Love the car and the project but ask questions before jumping in if you want to avoid mistakes

[@nmc356]

Hey there, I had this issue once before. I put nuts on the head bolts half way down and used the old head as a jig. I used a slightly larger valve to get the clearance I needed and glued coarse paper to the valve. I put the valve in the guide, the head on the nuts so I could see under head and let the valve touch the piston. I put a drill on the valve and with a gauge I spaced the drill chuck from the valve guide. Once the chuck touched the valve guide I had the desired cut depth. Looked factory.

[@bigbruce1922]

Thanks for posting this. I'm doing some research on heads and this is something i didn't even think i would have to worry about. You're the man

[@JovanMichaels]

glad you found the video helpful🤘🏼

[@JohnThomas-vb9se]

Lindy tools makes an in-head piston cutter. They work great. Gives you the depth and radial clearance.

[@biscuitboy3617]

Don't worry, you did it right. Done this quite a few times. The amount of material removed from the pistons is very minimal, almost nothing! Great job.

[@JovanMichaels]

hell yeah… i aint stressin it lol thanks man🤘🏼

[@dennisborg5243]

Thank you so much for all the new engine builders. It takes a real man to admit when he’s made a mistake. Obviously there’s a lot of talented people who knew all of this. But thousands of people who did not know this. And you just help them not to make the same mistake. Well done!!

[@JovanMichaels]

thats what im here for! 🤘🏼

[@robertbryant7771]

Aside from the miscalculation on the valve diameter to valve relief cut into the piston, which you already caught- you're checking PTV clearance with an uncompressed head gasket. Some gaskets will give you uncompressed thickness, some won't. Easy way is to measure the thickness with a good quality caliper before you begin. You'll lose the clearance difference of uncompressed to compressed thickness. Example: you measure a gasket as .038" uncompressed and its stated compressed thickness is say .026". Your PTV clearance when you measure the thickness of the putty/ play doh/ whatever you need to subtract the .012" you'd lose after the gasket was installed and compressed. Make sense?

[@JovanMichaels]

yes, thank you for the information

[@trailerparkcryptoking5213]

It don’t make two 💩’s if you have 0.125” ptv clearance which is about what you need! I measure them with no head gasket and add the compressed thickness.... 😂😂😂. He needs higher compression and proper quench distance and custom spec cam to make it run!

[@Fun2DIY]

Props for hanging in there and making it happen bro! What a job lol... Heads look sick though!

[@JovanMichaels]

Yeah man lol and thanks bud 🤘🏼

[@killer86coupe]

I ran my stock shortblock 302 with promaxx 180’s. They’re 202 valves also. No fly cut needed. Worked flawless. I’m ready to see this thing hit the track!

[@JovanMichaels]

Hell yeah.. hopefully everything runs smoothly … me too, need to get a dang truck and trailer.

[@rhettgerner839]

Well lucky for you this guy didnt flycut his valves either.

[@86foxbod]

If you see this. What cam are you running or did run? I just ordered the same heads for my car, I Currently have a b303. Everyone is telling me that it won't work with this SBE

[@killer86coupe]

@@86foxbod I ran an E cam. It was close but it cleared. Promaxx heads. E cam. 150 shot. In my car with some mild suspension and good converter went 11.3’s at 116

[@86foxbod]

@@killer86coupe awesome 👌 good to know! Thanks. That makes me feel better about my purchase... lol

[@turbostang92]

AFR makes a 185 Enforcer small valve head w/1.90 intake valve size which requires NO flycutting and a separate 2.02 version which would require flycutting on a stock SBF 5.0 HO piston to obtain proper PTV clearance.

[@gordocarbo]

Wonder if a 2.00 intake valve would have worked

[@LowSlow5.0]

does the 2.02 version not work because of stock rockers and pushrods cause i’ve been seeing a lot about 1.6 rockers

[@gordocarbo]

@@LowSlow5.0 Its the valve reliefs in the piston

[@AndrewNelson1985]

Just ordered small valve AFR heads today.

[@informative_walrus]

@@AndrewNelson1985 I thought the valves could fit depending on the lift on the cam and the rockers. I was under the impression that with a mild cam and factory rocker, there was no contact.

[@DSRE535]

Other problem with how you checked P-V clearance is you used hydraulic lifters and the Valvesprings that came on the heads, this will give you false measurements on P-V clearance and pushrod length, what I do is I’ll take the hydraulic lifter apart and install a solid shim under the pushrod seat so that it’s effectively a solid lifter just for the measuring process, hydraulic lifter with a good hydraulic roller spring will collapse skewing measurements fyi Something to think about for next time

[@JovanMichaels]

I disassembled the old hydro lifter and made it solid in the previous video.. it was solid during testing 🤘🏼

[@jrlaymance]

Braze a piece of carbide to a valve and use it to cut reliefs deeper, old school trick that takes a bit of time, can only do two pistons at a time by bringing it to tdc, tape the gap between the piston and bore bolt down the head with cutter in the guide, make a witness mark on the valve about .025 from the guide, using a drill, cut the piston until you reach that mark, verify proper ptv clearance, all good, rinse and repeat for all the pistons

[@rambo360g]

Stock pistons done work well with 2.02 1.60 valves. Double check the 1.72 roller rockers with the cam your using as well it makes the lift higher

[@JovanMichaels]

yeah found that out the hard way lol

[@rambo360g]

@@JovanMichaels 1.6rr could give you plenty of clearance

[@blueovalracing1582]

2.02 -1.60 valve heads worked fine on my stock bottom end with a B cam and 1.60 rockers

[@rambo360g]

@@blueovalracing1582 b-cam isn’t a big lift cam even with 1.72s. Wasn’t sure what size cam he had and if it was 530”ish before 1.72s is going to be 570”which in general pushing it with stock pistons

[@blueovalracing1582]

@@rambo360g I understand I was just mentioning what I did to my car that’s all buddy thanks for the reply back though

[@sixoid4104]

I was going to say this last video about the 2.02 valves. You NEED fly cut pistons with 2.02 valves. I don’t care what people say about running it and it working fine. No, you do it the right way

[@JovanMichaels]

we do things the right way over here… for the most part 😂

[@MrCaribe65]

Not with TFS heads, and with cams with low duration.

[@PonkyKong]

I was taught in school that engine building is a different trade for a reason. So I outsource all my engine builds. But it does get tempting to build your own and see how it goes.

[@ferdinandcuevas8457]

That's it Use your Head and use whatever You have available and do it properly on a strict budget and do it right . Looks really good Thanks for the update . 🇺🇲🇵🇷🦊👍

[@JovanMichaels]

thank you man.. i appreciate you checking the videos out 🤘🏼

[@Dogleg1957]

Wow so glad I watched this I'm going borrow afr 185s and install on stock kcode 289 till my 331 is finished. Long story on kcode but now not going thru trouble of swapping heads because not cutting pistons. The motor from another project. Wanted to see how 271 hp 289 would run only swapping heads

[@JovanMichaels]

sweet man ! Sounds like a cool little project, good luck 🤘🏼

[@gordocarbo]

It will be a night and day different. 289 ford heads are terrible

[@jplperformance9073]

It's always something. That's why trick flow tw heads are the only 2.02 head you can use with a bigger cam

[@JovanMichaels]

It is always something 😂 oh well, we handled that 💪🏼

[@jcnpresser]

Are those.040 over pistons? Looks like they have that stamped on them, so they’re not stock? Just wondering.

[@bradbeck4341]

This is why the twisted Wedge design works so well with stock bottom ends

[@JovanMichaels]

yeah i knew about the twisted wedge heads but im a sucker for the afr’s 😍

[@bradbeck4341]

@@JovanMichaels Ms Parker out there playing head games lol 😉😉 you went from jalapeno spicy to straight Carolina Reaper

[@JovanMichaels]

yeah dude things got out of hand quickly lol

[@gordocarbo]

@@JovanMichaels the enforcers are just chinese castings with afr parts in em.

[@rgsteele83]

Way to get in there and make it happen! It should definitely be worth the hassle in the end.

[@JovanMichaels]

yessir you know the deal… we get things done over here 💪🏼

[@OldFordShit]

Word of advice any 302 with stock pistons order a 1.90 or smaller head i run afrs that have 1.90s on my motor it has stock pistons and plenty of valve Clarence

[@peteartussee1202]

Mrs. Parker sure is looking good. Keep them videos coming and keep up the good work sir

[@JovanMichaels]

thank you my dude! I appreciate all the support 🙌🏼🤘🏼

[@jameshaner5568]

I think I would Re-check the pushrod length to make sure it didn’t change from the head gasket being compressed

[@JovanMichaels]

not a bad idea 🤘🏼

[@antiricergt]

I have 202 valves in my edlerbrock heads and had to get my pistons flycut. This was years ago and it’s still good to go.

[@JovanMichaels]

love that! 🤘🏼

[@timweb1510]

Sorry about your problems man. This is something I was worried about on my 351

[@JovanMichaels]

yeah no big deal.. we worked it out 🤘🏼

[@ivypixley7451]

None of you asked him if he was checking valve to piston with a solid or solid roller lifter that plunger in that liter going to compress round .060 to .125 if it’s a hydraulic roller lifter same goes for a flat tappet

[@JovanMichaels]

The lifter was solid.👌🏼

[@95Sn95]

I've seen before taking an old valve and cut the valve so it looks like a cutter that's pretty straight forward slide it all together and hook a drill to the valve stem spin with light down pressure. Obviously using some method of restricting the depth is mandatory for accuracy. A coller with a set screw would be a good method. I'd think going to a slightly larger valve than your using such a a 2.05 if heads use a 2.02 valve. Most likely don't have a spare 2.05 valve so stop in a local speed shops they would probably have n an old unusable valve they had kicking around n give to you, it would work fine for this application,worst case scenario buy one cheap valve online, budget valves are just few bucks for just each and only need 1, that's probably the easiest way to get your hands on a valve. Also to avoid any shavings getting down in by the ring put the correct sized string in the gap and vacuum out the metal before removing the string get it as clean as possible but any residue that may get left will blow out exhaust aluminum is soft it shouldn't cause any damage but change the oil a couple of times for a good cheap measure.

[@JovanMichaels]

Yeah that would be a more precise way of going about it.. cheers 🤘🏼

[@jonpierce734]

Thanks for the helpful information

[@tonydrummond3709]

There's a guy in Illinois sales the tools to fly-cut piston. The look like valves with cutting blades on them and they go in your old heads and run off a drill. I do them all the time

[@95turbostang21]

Before i finish the video I see whats about to happen stock pistons with 185 but I know you figured this out by now. Love the way the car turned out

[@JovanMichaels]

appreciate it buddy 🤘🏼

[@sixoid4104]

Hey Jovan, with the push rods adjustments, it’s not until the push rod doesn’t spin anymore, it’s to where you can’t push the pushrod up and down anymore

[@JovanMichaels]

appreciate the info homie 🤘🏼

[@MrCaribe65]

Actually, it is until the pushrod just resists turning. Please confirm your information before you post. You should also use a solid lifter, or modify a hydraulic one to solid, by gutting it and putting washers inside of it, to figure your pushrod length.

[@sixoid4104]

@@MrCaribe65 only time you ever need solid lifters is for very high revving. I hope you have great luck with your pushrod adjustments doing it that way, not sure where you learned that from

[@Joebauers2505]

@@MrCaribe65 actually your both kind of wrong. double check you information before being negative, you finger tighten the rocker while being able to freely spin the rod, then once you're ready to set the proper lash +/- per the manufacturer, you adjust till you start to feel the resistance on the rod then got 1/2 turn and check the lash. Typical lash 30-60 thousandths on a hydraulic. Aslo should be done in sequence of firing order and all intake first then exhaust.

[@MrCaribe65]

@@sixoid4104 1. At 0 lash, the pushrod just begins to feel resistance to turning. That's what I meant. 2. When figuring out the correct length pushrod to use, you should use a solid lifter, or modify a hydraulic lifter so that's its solid. I never recommended solid lifters, and have built numerous valvetrains with no issues.

[@ricksterffr5155]

Use modeling clay instead of Playdough. Playdough springs back a small amount and can give bad readings when you throw a caliper on it...I spread a thin film of oil on the valves so it releases easier, again making a clean reading.

[@JovanMichaels]

helpful information, thank you🤘🏼

[@josephclay1341]

I had the same problem went to my local machine shop had cutters braised on a pair of valves and set the depth with a stop collar and feeler Guage worked great

[@JovanMichaels]

hell yeah good stuff

[@samuelriester1419]

AFR makes a renegade 165cc head designed to run with stock pistons. Just FYI. They also flow more than the 185 and forcers. As far as flow. They sit between the 185 and forcers and the 185 renegades CNC.

[@MrCaribe65]

This is why I used TFS heads. However, not bad, for a driveway mechanic. Good to see the progress, hermanito.

[@JovanMichaels]

yessir💪🏼

[@Petraeus_95]

I used Edelbrock Performer RPM heads with 2.02/1.60 190cc. I had no problem with piston to valve clearance. Stock pistons stock bottom end. On my 93 Mustang GT. No where I found or read that said 2.02 intake valve are too big for stock 5.0 pistons.

[@rodneygodin7773]

Please show ur shallow thin walled socket u use to take plugs out when headers are in with header studs

[@rgsteele83]

I like using the copper spray on as much gaskets as possible. I think its really good additive for your head gaskets.

[@JovanMichaels]

Yeah got more copper gasket on the camera than the head gasket lol she’ll be alright tho

[@steelerpen87]

Same for me. Shop had to cut pistons for proper ptv. Also could not use my existing cobra valve covers. Would not clear rockers even with baffle removed. Not even close. Had to buy tall covers. Any running videos of these heads?

[@JovanMichaels]

yeah check out my 3 most recent videos 🤘🏼

[@realazliving]

They make a small valve version of these heads that work with stock pistons.

[@lancehowlett3910]

Knotching pistons like you did is just old hot rodder stuff. Way back in the 80’s NHRA didn’t allow modifying piston tops,BUT if the valve happened to hit the piston ,well, that was ok. I watched and maybe helped a racer create piston to valve clearance in tech(!) with inspectors there with an old valve and a hammer! The old “valve” was a piece of machined tool steel that fit the valve guide and was the exact diameter of the stock valve.

[@njseashorechas2698]

Great stuff. Love your honesty!

[@JovanMichaels]

appreciate it man🤘🏼

[@callofgeorge]

few things, and don't take it the wrong way. just trying to provide info to learn from. 1. when setting that valve lash, you spin with 1 hand and snug with the other. 0 lash isn't when you can't spin anymore. its when you feel resistance on the push rod. 2. for anyone ever doing piston/cylinder work like this, use grease around the piston edge to prevent shavings from going between cylinder wall/piston. wipe/vacuum out when finished. also coat cylinder walls with grease if you ever have to leave the engine open again like that. then wipe away before reassembly. 3. you keep saying "flycut" the pistons. that's not fly cutting.. they sell flycutting tools to use, but you'd have to pull the valve out of the cylinder head. what you did was clearance with a burr tool which is far from machinist accuracy. its on factory pistons so no biggie other than your engine may be slightly out of balance now. but as long as you had clearance requirement met which is 0.080" intake and 0.100" exhaust, you would have been fine.. valve relief doesn't have to match. i run a TFS head on flat top, non-TFS pistons with about a .525 lift. reliefs don't match, but i have clearance so it's fine.

[@JovanMichaels]

Information is always appreciated 🤘🏼

[@jonpierce734]

Thank you so much for the helpful information. I'm building a 95 convertible doing alum heads, E303 cam on stock pistons. I'm super nervous about the upcoming initial startup. I didn't check PTV clearance but I probably should have. The heads I installed have 2.02" intake valves and 1.6" exhaust. The stock pushrods are 6.248" long and were too short for proper valve tip roller pattern/geometry, so I had to purchase 6.425" pushrods. I fabbed up a solid lifter to check pushrod length and used an adjustable pushrod to get the right length.

[@donaldhill2775]

You done great ! I got the same heads in as cast, a few variables, camshaft timing and piston type, incidentally your pistons look way down the bore @ TDC ? I checked mine twice sacrificing a head gasket bolted down to torque and it just touched the inlet valve pocket area but well inside my larger cut outs, I’m running a mild flat tappet street cam and I like solid lifters, motor was not in the car and I have a small milling machine but I’d have done exactly what you did and used a dremmel 👍

[@JovanMichaels]

yessir.. sometimes you just got to get er done by any means necessary 🤘🏼

[@66croy]

Edelbrock rpm performer are good for stock piston 1.60 - 1.90

[@naedeloc]

Good content man 👍 I'm subscribed, that doesn't happen often.

[@JovanMichaels]

ayy this is just the beginning sir!!! thank you for the support 🤘🏼

[@hughobrien4139]

I did not hear if this was a hydraulic lifter or solid lifter engine but these checks should be made with a solid lifter to ensure the lifter isn’t bleeding off during the check. I’d also use a compressed gasket although that isn’t as bad as a hydraulic lifter bleeding down and telling lies. If you’re using a solid lifter variant in your application be sure and check with zero lash, but know that the lash you input will add clearance between this piston and valve. Above all else I would advocate learning to use the degree wheel and dial indicators to make these checks at 10 degrees before top dead center and 10 degrees after top dead center DURING THE OVERLAP cycle that is actually 180 from true tdc.

[@mike1990s]

You can run the 2.02 with out notching pistons only purpose is if your running a big cam with a lot of duration we run 2.02 with x303 and a 2.02 with trickflow stage 2

[@JovanMichaels]

cool, we should definitely be good to go now then 🤘🏼

[@Bowman210]

If you went with 16 rockers instead of 172 you wouldn’t have not have needed to do that. Smaller lift less likely to touch. What are your cam specs?

[@kriskoch1462]

What was your final pushrod length, I ordered the same head and am going to do the same clearancing as you did but just a different method, please let me know bud!!!

[@JovanMichaels]

brother. I can not remember for the life of me. Not sure, but i think it will vary depending on cam size and other factors regardless.

[@OldGuy625]

Back in the day, TRW forged pistons were the best. The top of the piston was thick and heavy so they could be machined (flycut). Don't know what pistons you have but, the last set of SRP's I ran, were so thin on top, there wasn't anything that could be cut? I am not going to pick you apart, because there are many ways to skin a cat. As long as you have enough meat on top still, you will be fine.

[@DarkFoxx88]

They have AFR enforcer 185cc 63cc chamber 1.900 in. Diameter. Would they fit stock 5.0 pistons?

[@theANGRIERone]

The YT algorithm had me click this video. Way to go on the fly cutting. The only way to learn is to do it. 🤘

[@JovanMichaels]

hell yeah man! welcome to the channel 🤘🏼

[@SwingingInJoggers]

I hope you dont intend on putting any substantial amount of boost, ask Richard Holdner how "flycutting" the stock pistons in his boosted sbf went

[@kdeupser]

you might not have to have flycut those pistons at all. I didn't see you measure the thickness of the clay? All you need is between 80 and 100 thousanths of an inch of clearance. I saw you already have it running so props for being careful.

[@JovanMichaels]

it wasnt the thickness that was the problem. It was the diameter of the valve that was overlapping the shelf of the valve relief. 🤘🏼

[@jamesheichel9465]

2" intake valve heads and 302 piston clearance issues are listed on every sbf, 302, and mustang forum for the past 5-7 years at least. The fact you didn't see this shows you never looked online. Anyone that would have asked this question would have been told specifically about the issue and also what piston options are out there to avoid it. The only thing that hindered you from knowing this was your own blatant lack of research. LMAO

[@sbfnation2535]

Just ordered the afr 205 race heads can’t wait, just add a little valve relief to the piston it’s ok to do it a lot of people do it you have mechanical skills I’m sure you’ll end up just fine

[@JovanMichaels]

yeah the process went pretty smooth.. we’ll see what happens 🤘🏼

[@rightsidelanechoice7702]

Trick flow is the answer to all your issues.

[@doughavenga316]

Did you use solid roller lifters when you measured that, I have a couple of solid lifters just for that reason, Hydraulic lifters will collapse a tiny bit,

[@JovanMichaels]

i did use solid lifters for the measurement’s🤘🏼

[@scervantes1982]

Good info , what serpentine belt are you using and what alternator bracket are you using ? I’m doing the same set up

[@JovanMichaels]

moroso bracket. 35” belt i think

[@TheBest-iv7zi]

Thanks for keeping it real. Don't worry about the haters!!! You did great keep it up

[@JovanMichaels]

always man! worry about who? lol we aint going no where. I appreciate you checking out the videos man🤘🏼

[@izzycamaro]

Great video my friend keep up the good work

[@JovanMichaels]

thanks buddy 🤘🏼

[@KingJT80]

Dang....now they make enforcers with the 1.90 valves LOL they didn't at the time of the video. But my 302 I'm go in Ng forged DSS pistons and the 2.02 195s and a off the shelf Howards grind I've been eyeing...

[@JovanMichaels]

heck yeah man.. sounds rad🤘🏼

[@danielfigueroa4725]

why are the valve reliefs on the wrong side?

[@JovanMichaels]

its faster that way

[@Joebauers2505]

I feel like there's something else, only because I've contacted afr prior to purchase and confirmed with them that the 185s will bolt onto the stock ho engine with no interference, instead of deleting my comment from what I've gathered thru comments is that your running a bigger than alpha bet cam with 1.72s I see now.

[@jj5519]

Do you have these enforcer heads on stock bottom end pistons? I’m looking into these but didn’t know what Kind of lift he has. I have truck flow stage 1

[@Joebauers2505]

@@jj5519 I have a stock 88 ho short block with normal rotating and stock cam with 1.7 rockers and I've not had an issue with clearance.

[@Joebauers2505]

@@jj5519 also I think my total lift with the 1.7 on stock cam is like .456ish as I believe stock cam with stock roller rockers is .444. but I could be wrong about that as I'm going from memory.

[@jj5519]

@@Joebauers2505 do you have enforcer or renegade 185cc heads

[@Joebauers2505]

@@jj5519 enforcers

[@shannonshaw2996]

typically you do this procedure without the head gasket installed fyi

[@JovanMichaels]

good to know, thanks

[@mylanmiller9656]

TYhere is a better way than that You can buy a Cutter that goes through the Valve guide It is a lot more precise.

[@joe-hp4nk]

Am I missing something, if the clearance is good after you turned the engine over through maximum lift. Why would you need to cut the pistons?

[@gordocarbo]

piston to valve clearance

[@markbreaux6613]

I always wondered what ''Fly Cutting'' the Pistons does to the Compression? Or if its even enough to matter?

[@rodneygodin7773]

I have the 220’s no fly cut .674 lift cam at valves stock pistons

[@jjbusenbark2145]

Liar

[@Bloodyjonny]

I think the springs only support about 550-600 lift smfh now I see how ppl get confused by miss information

[@gordocarbo]

220s on a 302 are you sure?

[@gordocarbo]

@@Bloodyjonny too many online giving bad information

[@darryl163]

Did only check that one cylinder? Shouldn't you have to check all of them? I'm just curious, cool video thanks for the info

[@JovanMichaels]

im sure some people do.. but to my understanding you only have to check one.

[@short.kingluci]

what cam are you running and what size push rods

[@Rodg470]

She wants you to work for that as oh wait she wants you to work for that HP. Lol Don't forget to paint the tops of those shocks looking a little rusty . Keep those great video coming

[@JovanMichaels]

yessir lol defiantly making me work for it haha its all cool tho.. shes going to be a dream

[@michaelgiglio1571]

Did you use solid lifters for true lift reading

[@frankocasio8202]

fantastic video..how are those Enforcer Heads working for you

[@JovanMichaels]

thank you

[@AwesomeBuford]

I realize this is 1 year late, but if you were to use the stock 1.6 or even 1.65 ratio rockers instead of a 1.72 ratio, you would be fine. Also, a little more clay would have been a good idea especially since you only went to 0 lash and did not preload the lifters at all, nor did you use low pressure checking springs. All you did was compress the lifter plunger with those springs. Your measurements were way off. You also need to take in account the amount that the head gasket will compress when torqued.

[@illyadope3787]

So My 302 is actually a 347 now. I went w the scat pistons and crank aka rotating assembly. These heads should be solid for those right? Assuming I’m .030 over stock?

[@JovanMichaels]

honestly im no professional man.. and every engine setup is different.. i would check ptv clearance and push rod length just to be sure.. good luck🤘🏼

[@tycof250]

I am in Florida also Lake wales area. Got to see others on here.

[@JovanMichaels]

yessir🤘🏼

[@tomburch7117]

I’m not sure why you checked push rods with the old lifters if you were going to use new lifters

[@JovanMichaels]

because you cant do the check with hydraulic lifters.. and i didnt want to disassemble the lifters i just paid $200 for

[@LloydchristmasXe274]

This was a common mod when these cars were new! Everyone I know fly cut a set at one time or another SEND IT

[@JovanMichaels]

hell yeah love to hear that 🤘🏼

[@frankocasio8202]

Hey great video..im sorry But what cam are you running

[@JovanMichaels]

e303

[@frankocasio8202]

@@JovanMichaels awesome...im gonna do the same setup but with a F cam..

[@JovanMichaels]

yeah i would of ran a f cam.. but the e cam was already in the short block so i ran with it

[@frankocasio8202]

@@JovanMichaels thanks so much for responding...im just waiting to do the valve check..I might have someone fly cut my pistons to make sure..

[@That-Guy.]

Damn brother I haven’t seen your vids in my feed in quite some time. The cars come so far my man. Fucking awesome. Gotta get myself going on my fox soon. You’re giving me the itch lmao

[@JovanMichaels]

that sucks man.. i work hard to get these videos out and youtube for whatever reason doesn’t seem to push them to all my subscribers.. oh well, only thing i can do is keep going and hope one day the algorithm works in my favor 🤘🏼

[@dustinlong4759]

So how have you been enjoying the 185s? If you had a chance to do it again would you go with a bigger head?

[@gordocarbo]

165-185 is ideal with the 302

[@davidcantyne7991]

What cam are you running? Would 1.6 rockers clear the piston?

[@JovanMichaels]

e303.. i have no idea, i recommended checking all your clearances

[@VernLeRoy1962]

I've done these SBF's for a while, I use Fel-pro gaskets, but I use copper spray gasket maker on head gaskets, the heads come off & clean up easier. you should've only had to grid the intakes relief. but you need to polish it when your done grinding, 400 grit? needed to go to 800 grit, Good Luck

[@gordocarbo]

400 is fine

[@fredmoucatel2058]

You should have kept the stock 1.6 rocker ratio and there would have been no issue . The 1.72 rockers increased valve lift . Or you could have ordered heads with the 194/160 valve package 2.02 intakes gain you nothing on a stock bottom end .

[@gordocarbo]

have 2.02 heads that flow just under (and another set) 310 no need for giant valves. Maybe a high rpm 4125 bore block or more might benefit. Usually not worth the $

[@flaviosampaio919]

What does it make for power ? Has it ever been to the dyno?

[@JovanMichaels]

400-500hp? Idk never been dyno’d

[@flaviosampaio919]

Very good power 💪

[@nunya2814]

Definitely keep all important holes taped, especially in FL, lizards make homes outta empty holes quick lol. Ask me how I know. Don't know if your in central fl but if you are American motorsports in Orlando is a great for on the shelf s/bbf and Chevy motors and better prices than the national parts stores for gaskets and stuff like that.

[@JovanMichaels]

Nice, ill have to check them out

[@Big-Lex124]

Thanks for the vid. I'm in the same as you. I want the AFR 185 heads but I was worried they wont clear the reliefs. Now I might cut them as you did with a dremel. What tool tip did you use, you remember? Did it work out. I dont want the 165s, I want the 185s and I dont give a shit about the bottom end. Run it til it blows.😀 Are peps saying 1.6 rockers would of cleared? I doubt that.

[@JovanMichaels]

i would just check your pvc and use a dremel if needed… and i got little porting bits off amazon, they worked great

[@Big-Lex124]

@@JovanMichaels Thanks man. think I'm gonna go with the 165s, stock valve size.

[@bradbeck4341]

Keep em coming bro!! She's gonna be nasty

[@JovanMichaels]

we here for the long haul buddy 🤘🏼

[@jdrods1519]

I had to do the same to mine. I also ended up using a little thicker head gaskets

[@JovanMichaels]

racecar shit… am i right lol

[@jdrods1519]

@@JovanMichaels yes sir!!! Lol

[@peanutbutterisfu]

They make a tool to cut the pistons.

[@johngoodman7160]

I fly cut my flat top bbf pistons I run 10,000 rpm and no problem after 56 passes

[@JovanMichaels]

Solid🤘🏼

[@patlee9704]

Thats not fly cutting. Thats just clearencing. I would have just pulled the motor and pistons and sent them to a machine shop to be cut correctly. Definatly worth the money dude

[@DonAnders-v8u]

I think you did right thing in your situation

[@keithehrman5490]

Harlan sharp 1.7 ratio rockers with Harlan sharp stud girdles look 100 percent better.